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I'm only 35 but the gulf between me and the younger generation is staggering

Melmoth's picture

Yes yes yes, it's very easy to grizzle and say that standards have slipped and that things aren't like they used to be, but I'm surely too young to be categorised a Grumpy Old Man™. However, my theory is that anyone who was too young to remember the fall of the Berlin Wall is essentially self-absorbed and lacks any intellectual curiosity in anything outside of their immediate sphere.

Recently someone I know (who is 23) didn't attend the funeral of her 100-year-old grandmother because it was too far and she "didn't have time" (it was the best part of thirty miles away). I asked her how close she had been to her gran and she shrugged: "Meh, I didn't really know her. She was old."

She was OLD. Ergo, she was irrelevant. Now, if it had been me, and even if it was an "inconvenience", I'd have moved heaven and earth to make that funeral. But I see this as illustrative of the whole youth "Me" culture.

Or am I just a misery-guts, old before my time?

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Console yourself with the thought

that one day, old will sweep her up in its path and given that she's clearly such a mean spirited so and so, nobody is going to be interested. Schadenfreude - not the nicest of human traits, but I find it keeps me going. But then I'm just a mean spirited old person.

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Molesworth | 11 September 2009 - 8:37am

Schadenfreude

Well word of the day so far for me. I'd never heard it before.In case anyone is in the same boat as me - I now have a definition 'satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune'. Thanks Molesworth.

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Lunaman | 11 September 2009 - 8:46am

It's a great word

although officially it has no English counterpart, it's pretty much akin to enjoying You've Been Framed

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Joe R | 11 September 2009 - 8:59am

It's a civilized Germanic concept,

but the Italians did it best, with far more chutzpah and a lot less civilisation, two millenia ago, when they let citizens pay to enjoy watching crims hack each other to pieces in an amphitheatre.

Now there's an idea for urban renewal.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 11 September 2009 - 11:39am

Another great German word

that may resonate with the Massive - weltschmerz.

From Wikipedia: The modern meaning of Weltschmerz in the German language is the psychological pain caused by sadness that can occur when realizing that someone's own weaknesses are caused by the inappropriateness and cruelty of the world and (physical and social) circumstances.

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ceepee | 11 September 2009 - 2:10pm

Gemutlich

is my favourite.

There is no equivalent, but the nearest thing in our language is 'cosy'.

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Five-Centres | 11 September 2009 - 2:13pm

Celtschmertz

A rather good Richard Thompson live album. Great title, I've always thought.

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Lando Cakes | 11 September 2009 - 4:39pm

Don't lump us all in the same bracket

Speaking as one of those who is at the magical halfway stage between 16 and 30, I can assure you we're not all like that.

I find the attitude of that girl terrible; I would've definitely gone to the funeral but then again, I travel well over 30 miles every morning just to get to work.

As for us being the "me generation" - well, guilty as charged. Blogs, Facebook and Twitter have led us to publish our every thought; it's just unfortunate most of them seem to be "OMFG, Simon Cowell is, like, soooooo mean lol xoxoxox"

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Joe R | 11 September 2009 - 8:58am

Somewhere there's a 16-year-old

who thinks your 23-year-old friend is a wrinkled old bat.

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Captain Underpants | 11 September 2009 - 9:07am

As an old knacker

of 39, my life experiences, journeys, bus rides, walk home from the pub on a Tuesday night in August 1994, have taught me two things. When you follow through, change your pants if you have an impending rendezvous with a new lover and secondly, that history repeats itself.


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TedLoaf | 11 September 2009 - 9:14am

I'm 54

CAN YOU SPEAK UP.

It also means you listen to Thousand Foot Krutch on Spotify, because drink has been taken, and you tut because they sound just like Strife, Stray or whatever rock band you saw in the 70's.

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Beany | 11 September 2009 - 9:17am

I am 35.

I've felt a generation gap ever since Pete Doherty appeared on the scene and appeared to be highly thought of by the young 'uns.

I now embrace my decrepitude with some joy and spend my time listening to older and older music (that Django Reinhardt seems awfully promising) and harrumphing at the news. Slippers are on even as I type and the only reason I don't smoke a pipe is that giving up fags was hard enough and you can't sip your real ale in a cosy snug while smoking anymore anyway, not like when I were a lad...

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ganglesprocket | 11 September 2009 - 10:07am

we are talking about

death and grief here which affects people in many ways. Not "facing" going to a funeral can happen to people at any age. Being young probably makes her more susceptible to avoiding what can be a horrible event. Not sure I would build a big thesis on the basis of someone who's recently lost a relative could be she's fallen out with her family etc there could be lost of reasons rather than just the callousness of youth.

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Chris G | 11 September 2009 - 10:48am

Agreed

Chris G, good points well made.

However, I was simply using it as an example - I hadn't intended to suggest that one person not going to a funeral equals a whole generation of selfish sluggards. It was really to illustrate this whole depressing attitude of "Why should I put myself out? How will it benefit ME?"

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Melmoth | 11 September 2009 - 11:17am

It's an odd generation

My 21 year old stepson has energy to burn and, thankfully, turns the bulk of it towards volunteering, getting involved in community stuff, charities etc.

His 18 year old sister and her crew - is that the right term this week? - when they spare him a thought, do so with phrases along the lines of, "Oh my God, is he like, retarded or something?"

Based on my limited observations, there does seem to be a very big difference between the attitude of boys and girls amid that generation. Sweeping gneralisation I know, but the best I can come up with at the minute.

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Molesworth | 11 September 2009 - 11:24am

Wasn't there...

a recent poll, where the results suggested that 40% of people thought there was nothing wrong with a care-worker getting an elderly person to change their will, in order for them to be the beneficiary? I don't think the poll was aimed at young people especially, but it's apparently led to a legal re-think about how to we define right/wrong in certain cases.

My long-winded point is that I don't think young people today are more selfish than any other generation - people always react to the environment they grow up in. Facebook, Big Brother and MySpace convince youngsters that they are somehow hallowed and important, but a sense of arrogance in youth has always been apparent - there's just more mediums that allow it to blossom.

At the moment, there's a certain sense of entitlement that's permeated our society, but it's certainly not limited to young people. I work with adults who are returning to learning, and, for free, the learners have: access to a computer, one-to-one learning sessions with qualified teachers, free-to-undertake qualifications and access to career advisors/ trained counsellors. And they still complain. By God, do they complain.

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peterthecook | 11 September 2009 - 11:44am

Bring back Conscription.

There, it had to be said.

(N.B. For the under 20s, you may need to Google the term 'Conscription', as it may not have been on the National Curriculum for History on the afternoon you attended a GCSE History lesson, just before you got that Grade A)

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Vulpes Vulpes | 11 September 2009 - 11:44am

Let's go one further and

bring back birching! ;o)

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robram | 11 September 2009 - 2:15pm

Come to think of it,

my chimney needs sweeping, too.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 11 September 2009 - 2:29pm

And the hands of my watch

could do with a new lick of phosphorus.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 11 September 2009 - 6:04pm

But didn't the abolition of National Service in the UK

coincide with the rise of pop/rock music here. A generation with plenty of spare time to form bands at art school, instead of square bashing.

I'm not sure if there is anything to this at all, but the only rock musician I can think of who did National Service was Bill Wyman, and he was of a slightly older generation than the rest of the sixites bands- he was born in 1936.

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Melville | 11 September 2009 - 2:39pm

Workhouses...

gotta be.

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Patrick Crowther | 11 September 2009 - 4:07pm

The blacking factory

That'd learn 'em

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Melmoth | 11 September 2009 - 4:55pm

Self-belief

They've grown up with this attitude that they should be able to do anything they want to, and never let anyone tell them they can't. Which is fine, but sometimes, they just can't. At least Simon Cowell tells it like it is. Many of them are simply deluded and the parents don't help.

And there's lessening teachers' powers.

When I was at school, the teacher was to be feared and according to my parents was always right.

Today, the parent will more than likely threaten the teacher with physical violence for doubting their poor lamb.

It's all wrong.

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Five-Centres | 11 September 2009 - 2:19pm

Mrs Leaf

has been a secondary school teacher for 6 or 7 years in a city school for 14-18 year olds. She has never been threatened with violence by pupil or parent.

There are bad teachers, kids, parents, schools but these are the exception and not the Daily Mail's rule.

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TedLoaf | 11 September 2009 - 3:07pm

halfway between the prison and the docks (fatboy slim)

I was at school in the 70s and saw both teachers assault kids, and kids assault teachers. It is a fantasy that things used to be brilliant and now are rubbish. Mind you my school was halfway...

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paulwright | 11 September 2009 - 5:06pm

I've got a two year old boy

and lord do I worry. Still, try to bring 'em up right, give them all you can afford to and make sure they like The Beatles. the rest is all a big crapshoot anyhooo.

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Vorgongod | 11 September 2009 - 2:37pm

About ten years ago David

About ten years ago David Bailey in an interview said he didn't trust anyone under 50, which would presumably now be 60.
I go with that with one exception.....Stevie Wonder.
Oh, and if I'm feeling charitable, Kate Bush.

Follow that rule and it wipes out vast areas of popular culture and politics (Blair, footballers, punk groups, post-punk groups, sit-com writers, film directors) that will only let you down.

Someone aged 100 I would trust.

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ranger | 11 September 2009 - 3:34pm

presumably

bailey doesn't trust his own wife then. So he doesn't rust the under 50's but he doesn't mind ......

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Chris G | 12 September 2009 - 1:32am

Noel Gordon^H^H^H^H^H^HGallagher got it right

when he wrote "Please don't put your life in the hands of a rock and roll band..."

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stimpy | 11 September 2009 - 4:02pm

Misread you there for a moment

..Noel Gordon got it right. 'Come and stay at the Crossroads Motel'

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Pilleus Jr | 11 September 2009 - 5:15pm

Crossroads Motel

The best thing the band the Beatles could have been ever did?


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stimpy | 11 September 2009 - 5:44pm

I blame

the parents

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Dave Holley | 11 September 2009 - 5:54pm

Yeah

they're all too busy blogging all bloody day when they should be parenting. Feckless bastards, the lot of 'em.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 11 September 2009 - 6:06pm

I'm 51 me..

I'm 51 me..what?

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chabsy | 12 September 2009 - 1:55am

One thing I really don't understand

Why do young men think it's ok to walk around with one hand down the front of their kecks? In my day you'd have been told by your elders & betters to stop playing with yourself, and rightly so. And if I never see another pair of dirty grey designer trunks hovering above jeans slung somewhere round the knee it won't be a day too soon.

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Graham Johns | 12 September 2009 - 2:10am

Lapdancing

A word association game on our local radio station elicited the response "lap" to the question "name a type of dance". This from a 14 year old girl! We're probably all getting towards Grumpy Old Men stage but I do despair when most girl's role model is Jordan and every X Factor wannabee simply wants to win so "everybody in the world knows who I am!"

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Pinmonkey | 15 September 2009 - 9:23pm

Today. Listening to a youngster

playing, like, a record, er, by The Monkees on Bolton FM, like.

Without having a clue about them says, "My dad says The Monkess were like a better boyband than The Beatles".

Mike Nesmith is 107.

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Beany | 15 September 2009 - 9:29pm

Young People??

Hangings too good for them.
What they want is a good kick up the arse.

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geacher53 | 15 September 2009 - 9:44pm

Just heard a youngster

on the radio who rowed across the indian ocean on her own i think we can forgive her the odd emoticon.

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Chris G | 15 September 2009 - 10:03pm

This is all a bit harsh on the kids

- when their role models are Facebooking, XBox playing, binge drinking 40/50 something kidults with a high disposable income indulged by the leisure industry and the media to stay forever young (I do not wholly exonerate myself in this regard)

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Dave P | 15 September 2009 - 10:07pm
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