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I'm not going mad am I -there was a thread about jimmy page?
Posted by Junior Wells on 1 November 2011 - 1:00pm.
and I did contribute didn't I ?
and it did go on about the travails of fame and fans..didn't it
so what happened to it ?










I think the author
must have had it removed.
Probably realised
that spotting Jimmy Page entering a restaurant, going home, going back to check it is him, going home again and getting something (12 year old magazine) for him to sign, going back and hanging around in the shadows for an hour or so, then pouncing (politely !) on him as he exits did, in fact, come across as a bit stalky/obsessive...
didn't realise you could do that?
could have saved myself some embarassment in the past ;-D
I think the best way to approach Jimmy Page
for an autograph is to go up to him in a restaurant and give him a matey slap on the back, with a glad cry of "ERIC!!!!" and then do air guitar to a grunted version of "Smoke On The Water" while he extricates his face from the soup.
That's what I'd do.
You kept a copy
didn't you?
Arf
I stuck a lengthy post about Jack Charlton being an arse to a small kid asking for his autograph.
I didn't keep a copy.
I thought
I was back in the original post there for a minute! Any more repeats and we can see if we can build the post from scratch!
I can remember pretty much everything I write
... I once lost an entire chapter (through computer stupidity) and was able to reconstruct it (I think more or less word for word) from a remembered phrase. By way of proof, I'm going to rewrite this comment (as another comment) from memory.
*cracks mental knuckles*
"I can remember pretty much everything I write
... I once lost an entire chapter (through computer stupidity) and was able to reconstruct it (I think more or less word for word) from a remembered phrase. By way of proof, I'm going to rewrite this comment (as another comment) from memory."
How did I do?
Well done sir! Spot on.
And then I said...
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Good thing you didn't produce a Zeppelin bootleg for him to sign, that would have put the tin lid on it.
He may even have conjured up a couple of tattooed ruffians to break your legs in the time-honoured tradition of the late cruel-but-fair Peter Grant.
Seriously though, I feel your pain. Page is one of my lifelong heroes and I would have been crushed if he'd snubbed me in such a cavalier fashion.
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That not exactly the same as my original post, but I reckon it's close enough.
Or say "I hear you're looking for a new frontman?..
..cop this OOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh baby baby baby push push push!"
He probably was worried that someone
Was going to bring up the awkward issue of his having a 13 (that"s THIRTEEN) year old girlfriend, back in the 70s.
Sorry, I was referring to JP
And not the original poster. Whoops.
If the OP deleted it
Then he must've had his reasons.
I don't think it's really cricket to dig it all up again in another thread.
The issue with that approach
is that along with deleting your own initial post, you also take with it the considered contributions of your peers which may have embellished, directed or spun the conversation in any number of ways in the mean time (as well as, admittedly, any number of incidents of random abuse and ill-conceived snarkism). It's the equivalent of picking up your ball and taking it home with you before the rest of us have been called in for our tea. I, for one, discussed the matter offline with Mrs. Kirk only this morning and was most discomfited to see an up-arrowed comment to which I had referred disappear. Thankfully it's obviously a well-rehearsed standby of Burt's and has reappeared here this lunchtime.
It's a tricky one
as the OP in effect gets to decide if they want to delete everyones contributions to the discussion - and any tangents it may have gone off at.
Maybe a 15 minute "cooling off period" for OP deletion would be better, before too many people spend their time chipping in with their intelligent, witty and insightful comments.
Or, to summarise...
what he said.
Great minds
not only thinking alike but posting alike.
If it was still Oct 31st it'd be spooky.
Agree with Spartacus.
This is a blog, not a forum, and OPs are to all intents and purposes the same as a blog on Wordpress or similar. It's the right of any of us to remove our OPs, and if it annoys people we just have to deal with that. Full disclosure: I've done it, twice, where I felt uncomfortable having ill-considered crap of mine in the public domain. I'm sorry for people who put effort into responding, but I felt it was my prerogative as the OP and I didn't do it lightly.
Can we get off Jim's case a bit, maybe? To borrow from Cheese, the shit is unseemly.
Only twice?
Arf!
Shurrup, you.
I know, I know... :-)
Obviously, the right to self-editry is a given, and its removal is not one I'd bother storming a teacup for.
Think the blog/forum distinction
is a little spurious - was it really a choice based on a rigidly intellectual decision, or was it because bloging s/w offers (can offer) fewer problems than a lot of Forum s/w ? I frequent other sites where they are happy to admit that they use Wordpress because it was easier to get going with that but really the intention was to use it as a substitute for a forum.
Yes, Bob
Absolutely agree with you.
I did write something a bit more hot-tempered before, but decided agin it.
Agreed.
I've had cause to delete one of my own threads in the past; I realised it had been a mistake to post it in the first place.
I'd have been mortified to find a brand new thread discussing my old one.
But there's a world of difference between
"Jimmy Page wouldn't give me an autograph" and yours though, Hannah.
Sure, they're on very different subjects
but if you write something, and later regret posting it, surely you're entitled to have the post removed regardless of the content?
Jimmy and I had the same desire to have our posts taken down, and our needs were equally valid IMO.
It's not my blog, so I don't make the rules. They do.
"The reason we don't let you delete...
Is because we have nested comments. If a dozen people replied to one of your posts, and then you deleted it, all the following comments would be lost... and we don't think it's fair that anyone should be able to delete other peoples' contributions". (my italics)
But as I agreed earlier, anyone's right to have their OPs removed is obviously incontrovertible. In fact since I realised how easy it was, I've been going through tidying up some of mine.
I agree
Mine was a genuine question
I could see why he felt awkward. His actions were being interpreted harshly.
i hate it when your comments get out of sequence with the box
you are commenting on
I agree we shouldn't rake over the coals of the original comments. I couldn't figure out how it had disappeared from my tracking and you get an error message when doing a search under jimmy page ( which means all traces are not gone b.t.w). That's why I asked the question.
I empathise with the actions of the person withdrawing the thread and ,had I known you could do it ,would have deleted a couple of my own in the past.
There were some interesting comments on the famous and their fans. It would be less spontaneous but it is open to anyone to facilitate discussion the issue with a new topic including the behaviour of Page. J.
So...
no threads about Jimmy Page at all then?
Righto.
I suspect Fraser removed it.
I got involved in a rather snarky exchange with the poster (jimmyshoes01) which didn't make for particularly edifying reading so apologies to those who miss their musings on the matter.
I didn't remove it
Besides, if I remove posts, I will always e-mail those involved to explain why.
I stand corrected.
Go on..
..what did you say to him?
Go on Junior...
....take this thread down so someone tomorrow can post a 'Wasn't there a thread about a thread about Jimmy Page...?' :-D
Or jimmyshoes01 could re-post the OP
and bill it as the comeback tour?
This thread's already...
...the tribute act.
But I agree with a point made earlier: to be fair to JimmyShoes, it'd be respectful to accept his change of heart and move on...
Thread Zeppelin?
Then again
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
But what did Omar Khayyam know?
Don't know
what's his URL and I'll go and check.
Seriously though - that's the problem with the internet isn't it? Things appear, things vanish again, you argue with someone over some comment or other, they go back and edit it to make you look like a simpleton. Nothing is written in stone anymore.
He liked it so much,
he bought the company?
(d'oh! reply to policybloke)
It's a blog
If someone writes something that they don't want to be associated with then let them pull it. I'm commenting on the original post here (it says so just above the box I'm typing in). Therefore if the original post disappears, so should the comments.
Notwithstanding
old Omar's view, I think it's entirely the right of whoever starts a thread to pull it if they want to. If all other comments are lost, it's not the end of the world, there'll be another post along shortly. And, in deference to the original post, i.e the one that's been pulled, I'm not commenting on this one again.
Absolutely.
I reserve the right to pull mine as and when I choose to.
But you were supposed to be
doing my root canal at the time...
Even the poster can't edit the invidious evil that is
the Google cache.
Is it
not possible for the OP to remove their comments (in a manner similar to what many do when they double post), but leave all the comments in place, thus keeping everyone happy (I think)?
imdB have something similar, albeit with usually a much lower standard of contributor than is witnessed here.
Indeed
They could essentially replace their blog post with the words "ill-considered post removed" (or something) and leave the conversation in place, which is probably the best thing to do if it otherwise involves getting rid of other peoples discussions. Never mind though, just perhaps worth keeping in mind if we feel the need in future. I just want to see the original post now!
Not sure
The unease could be about the direction the discussion is taking and a realisation that the OP is not coming over as was intended or hoped. I can see where you might want to be rid of the whole thing and pretend it never happened. Then again I guess an option to do as you say could be available too.
quite
The original thread set out what had happened and essentially sought comment.So a lot of the comments that followed were in fact comments about that.
Gotcha
Obviously I haven't seen the thread.
As a general rule though, if a thread takes an unfortunate direction I'd see it as one for the moderator(s) rather than the OP. But of course, they've decided to give bloggers the ability to delete the lot, so presumably that's what they would actually rather we did on here.
I hope the original poster still feels welcome. How the Blog works is interesting to discuss sometimes but I'm sure no one is really that bothered.
Right then..
I'm off to delete all the posts where I don't come across as a Yoda like voice for good and reason (all of them, then) and I suggest you all do the same.
Oi you lot!!!!
What the fuck are you going on about? Did I miss something? Please enlighten me.
If you ask
Google very nicely, it is possible to find a cached copy of the removed discussion.
This was all a little predictable for those
(unlike me) who realised that someone who deleted hundreds (maybe) of MP3s on the basis of a perceived slight was also likely to delete a thread which contained perceived slights.
(I only predicted this in hindsight.)
Edit: Cooling to my theme, it's obviously perfectly fair and proper that the OP should be able to delete the thread he started for any or no reason; but it's equally legitimate for this action to cause reaction in the form of a what-the-hell-happened-here? thread. He should surely have expected that. Or not.
Your prediction
now that you mention it is blindingly obvious. Somehow I'd managed to forget the "I've deleted any track with JP on and will never listen to him again in my life because he wouldn't sign my tatty rag" bit.
Sure, it's natural to wonder what happened
to the thread, although the answer was only ever going to be a) that the OP deleted it or b) that Fraser deleted it. we established further up the page that actually it was a). But now this thread's gone from wondering what happened to the thread, to recreating the original thread.
come on lads
leave him alone
Yeah!
Can't a rock star have a restaurant meal in peace?
Hey Junior
You know there is only one thing for you to do now don't you?
People....
Let it go....
There was a post, some people commented (most of it pretty sarcastic towards the OP, and, with all respect, none of it likely to win a Pulitzer) and the OP thought better of it and took it down.
It's over now.
You're right, Art.
Your comment stands as the last in the thread, and a fittingly dignified end to a very sorry episode in the history of internet blogging.
He's right
we should stop now.
as the author of this thread
I don't want to pull it as my question was an innocent one and when informed of the reason for the thread's disappearance I expressed empathy for the preceding author and why he might have preferred to delete his thread.
My remarks opened - they should close.
Thread
closed.