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"I'm moving to New York. My art is appreciated there"

Five-Centres's picture

More or less the words of Ricky Gervais. He's reached that 'no one appreciates me in Britain' stage of his career and says 'America gets me'. In translation, that's 'Up yours you unsophisticated hicks, I've outgrown you'.

It seems what's really happend is he's taken umbrage because he got some bad or indifferent reviews and can't understand why everyone's not hanging off his every word anymore. He's made a couple of substandard films and his stand-up is all about how famous he is. And he still treads a very fine line between pushing the envelope and being plain insulting.

Perhaps he's right; he is no longer appreciated here, perhaps because he's a tiresome bore who's drunk on his own success.

Then again, a lot of people still think he's the funniest man who ever lived. So should we beg him to reconsider and ignore the naysayers?

Or should we say sod off you smug git and don't come back?

I know where I sit. The more interviews I read with him, the less I like him.

What about you?

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Though I've enjoyed his

Though I've enjoyed his work, I don't care for the man.

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Spartacus Mills | 1 February 2010 - 3:28pm

Hear hear......

Have an up arrow Mr Centres....

The Office was genius but Gervais has always strayed far too close to his 11 O Clock Show "character" for my ears.

He's not a stand up and he's not an actor. I don't think he really knows what to do with himself apart from repeating himself.

Bit of a Narcisssus.

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Six Dog | 1 February 2010 - 3:31pm

A different perspective

In the UK we hate success, and he's a very successful person. The US has a different attitude and he is likely do be able to sustain a career for longer over there. He will run out of tricks and 'get cancelled' eventually but not for a while.

I don't care much for him personally, but maybe he's telling it like it is this time.

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Mavis Diles | 1 February 2010 - 3:34pm

I presume his comment in yesterday's Sunday Times

about 'sterilising poor parents' was some sort of 'ironic' satire rather than a genuinely held belief.

"If there’s a woman in leggings, eating chips with a fag in her mouth, sterilise her."

If he really believes that then he's even more contemptible than I previously thought.

(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/a...)

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stimpy | 1 February 2010 - 3:40pm

crikey

That could be a line out of Waiting for the Worms or In The Flesh, couldn't it?

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Mavis Diles | 1 February 2010 - 3:54pm

Overrated

The Office.That's all folks!

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Pencilsqueezer | 1 February 2010 - 3:51pm

I liked The Office, but I agree, it is overrated...

and funnily enough all my favourite moments in it involve characters other than David Brent.

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Patrick Crowther | 1 February 2010 - 4:14pm

Can Anyone Tell Me

what is funny about this guy? I've completely failed to get anything he's done.

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Pat Carty | 1 February 2010 - 3:53pm

If you don't find it funny

If you don't find it funny then there's nothing anybody could tell you to make it so. Horses for courses 'n all that.

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Spartacus Mills | 1 February 2010 - 3:55pm

A Fair Point

and well made

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Pat Carty | 1 February 2010 - 9:27pm

While I agree with you he comes across

as very, very smug, I have three straight questions for you 5C:
1. What's your problem with comedians?
2. Which ones do you think are ok?
3. What should RG do in your opinion to makes amends with you? He's promoting some stuff and doing a few interviews. You don't have to read them. (I only say this cos I bought the 20p Sun today to read his interview which wound me up a little, but only a little)

And come on Stimpy...! 'If he really believes that'...he's a comedian not a politician or a vicar. Do you think Les Dawson's mother-in-law was really so fat or his dog literally had no nose? etc etc?

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Mr Fade | 1 February 2010 - 3:54pm

*shrug*

It was said as part of an otherwise serious article, hence my question.

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stimpy | 1 February 2010 - 4:00pm

I like reading his interviews because

he'll always say something irritating. What's not pleasurable about that?

I don't have a beef with comedians. And I don't have a problem with success either, but when it goes to someone's head and their ego becomes out of control then it's nauseating.

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Five-Centres | 1 February 2010 - 4:15pm

Yes.

Out of control egos are nauseating I agree. But I probably prefer the likes of Gervais, Sasha Baron Cohen and Steve Coogan who've actually made and written good TV programmes and ok(ish) films to the comedians who just appear ad nauseam on Mock The Week/8 out of 10 cats/Never Mind The Buzzcocks etc etc etc.

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Mr Fade | 1 February 2010 - 4:29pm

"who just appear " on Mock The Week?

Why do you think they get that gig in the first place? Because they've been sitting at home typing bollocks on the web? Nope. Signing on the dole and watching paint dry? Nope. Doing hundreds of toilet gigs up and down the country? Third time lucky.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 1 February 2010 - 6:18pm

Fair

point.

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Mr Fade | 1 February 2010 - 6:24pm

When The Office started...

... I worked in an office with an idiot boss who thought he was funny. This meant that I absolutely couldn't bear watching the programme as it reminded me of being at work. I could appreciate that it was well done, but I could never warm to it.

However, I will say that I'm not so sure that people in the UK get snarky about success by itself. What we like is a bit of humility so Kate Winslet and Emma Thompson, extremely successful, full of self deprecation, well liked as a result. Ricky Gervais, ironic self regard seems to be turning into full on rampant egotism, people start to get suspicious. If he thinks no one understands him, then he needs to modify his comic persona a bit if he really is actually a nice chap and feels misunderstood.

However Extras I genuinely didn't like; the big stars were all faux horrible (Orlando Bloom loves himself, Kate Winslet wants an Oscar, Patrick Stewart is a bit randy) while the crap turns were fully pathetic or full on horrible (look at Les Dennis reporting his own celeb spots, Keith Chegwin as a racist etc). And this failure of nerve is why I really don't like Gervais; if he wants to satirize the cult of celebrity then he needs to apply the same standards to all of them.

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ganglesprocket | 1 February 2010 - 3:56pm

Winslett

She's given hell by the UK press over her supposed weight problems. That happened as soon as she hit Hollywood.

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Mavis Diles | 1 February 2010 - 4:05pm

By and large, I agree about 'Extras'

but I'm prepared to forgive anything for the scene with Ronnie Corbett doing coke in the loos. Interesting, though, that we don't like it but both watched it.

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Mark JF | 1 February 2010 - 4:05pm

I didn't watch it all...

But I did feel like I needed to have a vaguely informed opinion on it. I suppose that's how I feel about Gervais, I'm not a fan by any stretch of the imagination but I respect his talent and feel that it's wrong to dismiss his work without watching it. Even if I don't like it much, he is someone who takes it seriously.

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ganglesprocket | 1 February 2010 - 5:15pm

Not so much America liking him

as New York. Big difference. His recent performance at the awards thing has split opinion and a lot of folks hated it.

I think the biggest problem is that he's a bit of a one-trick pony and after a while, for most people the joke begins to wear thin.

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Mark JF | 1 February 2010 - 4:02pm

Measure him

by his "art"
The Office - funny, Extras - funny, The Invention of Lying (watched it this weekend) - funnier than most comedy movies.

I would say he is comedian - and a good one

I suspect that in a lot of his interviews - he is trying way to hard - he always looks nervous to me - again - measure him by his art

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Andrew2 | 1 February 2010 - 4:03pm

No, No, No

He's being ironic godammit.

Britain has a history of likeable comics- his "comedy" is much more in the tradition of American comics like the Larry Sanders Show and the other Larry - David.

He's being unlikable to wind folks up.

Obviously works.

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Stuart Graham | 1 February 2010 - 4:02pm

or maybe he's just unlikeable and hides behind his comedy

allowing the 'real person' to slip through from time to time.

We'll never know

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stimpy | 1 February 2010 - 4:07pm

Well, I liked The Office and Extras

so I guess I am in a party on one here. I am not entirely enamoured with him although I do think his obnoxiousness is a bit of an act - which he learnt from watching the Larry Sanders show, didn't he? However, something that does irritate me is the old chum act with Wossy.

It strikes me that his whole schtick is quite similar to that other 11' o'clock Show graduate Sacha Barron-Cohen, it's about making laughs out of uncomfortable situations. I actually prefer RG's take on this, there seems to be less humiliation and "let's all laugh at the [insert naf person here]" in it.

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BigJimBob | 1 February 2010 - 4:24pm

Me too

I think both The Office - particularly the last episode - and Extras was high class comedy that periodically approached genius.

Overtly a comic - he is a comedian in the same sense that Pinter or Bowie or Damian Hirst is.

Sardonic or unsettling or bleak - but always insightful. Conspicuously clever, arrogant and possibly a charlatan - but never less than interesting.

Anyway, mate - we don't like interleckchewalls or chaps who bugger orf to the States - so he's fucked innit? Tosser

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Sheev | 1 February 2010 - 4:49pm

Insightful?

So's Alan Bennett, and he's far funnier. He's not smug either, and he's interesting, clever, etc, etc. And still we like him.

So where has Gervais gone wrong? I too was a fan of The Office and Extras. Genius is pushing it, but they're a couple of classics. I still watch them.

It's just the man I can't stand.

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Five-Centres | 1 February 2010 - 4:59pm

I don't know him

Nor Alan bleedin' Bennett neither - so can't comment.

Does RG come across as a bit smug or a bit of a clever-dick or up-himself - possibly - but whether he's a good bloke or not is irrelevant. To me anyway.

He is a a gifted writer and performer. That is all I need to know about him.

Otherwise - I might as well chuck out many if not most of the books, records and dvds I own - as they were made by deeply unpleasant human beings.

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Sheev | 1 February 2010 - 5:33pm

Well let's not go mad

I'm perfectly entitled to have an opinion on someone. Just because you think they're a genius doesn't mean I'm not allowed to go a little deeper.

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Five-Centres | 1 February 2010 - 5:52pm

go as deep as you like love

as the actress etc

You work in the business and are far more likely than me to meet him in person than I. My hunch is that those who sense his public persona is exactly that - a persona he wheels out from time to tiime - are probably on the right lines.

By the way - I said some of his work has periodically approached genius - not that he is one.

As for the comparison with Bennett - I'm not sure where you're going with that.

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Sheev | 1 February 2010 - 6:50pm

But is he a 'nicer person'

than Lenny Bennett? That's what we need to know.

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Mr Fade | 1 February 2010 - 7:41pm

Isn't he sort of doing what Cleese did

Moving on from UK comedy to do films etc?

It's that shrieking laugh I can't stand - mostly because he laughs at his own jokes. But still capable of being very funny nonetheless.

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fortuneight | 1 February 2010 - 4:31pm

I heard him on the radio at the weekend

and he seemed to me to be self deprecating. He also seemed to use the same level of deprecation on others.

He talked of New York and the UK and basically said that New York is the only other place he would ever consider living in other than the UK. He seems to have fallen for New York in a big way (and he won't be the first or last to do this) rather than fallen out of love for the UK.

His line about sterilisation seems to me to be a joke rather than a deeply held belief. Not a great joke mind, but a joke nonetheless.

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Leedsboy | 1 February 2010 - 4:46pm

Ricky who?

I'm afraid I don't really rate him as a comedian. I suspect he's trying to be a modern Tony Hancock (self deprecating - "everything happens to me and it's all bad"). He's having a successful time at the moment and is clearly looking to go where the higher paying jobs are - good luck to him because it'll never last!

Dudley Moore did the same thing, although I would suggest that he had more talent than Mr Gervais could ever hope to have.

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Baskerville Old Face | 1 February 2010 - 5:02pm

'More or less the words of Ricky Gervais'

No they're not. They are a complete distortion of what he said to show him in a bad light and present him saying something which he didn't say at all.
He wasn't comparing New York and the UK, he was comparing how he is perceived in New York with how he is perceived in 'Middle America', which is a very different thing.
Reading this post and the piece it's based on I can completely understand why people mistrust and dislike journalists; why they think journalists trick you into saying things you don't really mean, pull quotes out of context to make a good headline etc.
Ricky Gervais made two very good and successful TV series in the UK and has since started making films in the US. It's a well-worn showbiz route. Like a lot of British people who visit New York he's really attracted to the city and quite fancies living there for a while. What's the big deal?
And, if this article is anything to go by, I'd rather spend an evening with Ricky Gervais than with Camilla Long.

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Richard Lowe | 1 February 2010 - 5:25pm

Calm down, dear

It is what he said, and as I said, more or less.

If he wants to live in New York good for him. He's already got a place there. I would if I were him. No 'big deal'.

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Five-Centres | 1 February 2010 - 5:37pm

Striding in to bat for Ricky Gervais

Quite surprised to find myself striding in to bat for Ricky Gervais. Like most people I suppose, I liked the Office and Extras but nothing else he's done has really appeared on my radar apart from the odd chat show appearance in which he seems rather pleased with himself. Which is fair enough.
I just think you misrepresented what he was saying and your post came across a bit Glenda Slagg.
Oddly enough I've just been reading Extras in book form, which actually works (as do Dads Army scripts - a bathroom favourite chez nous). I don't know if this is an original observation but: Ricky Gervais is Ollie, the Scottish lass is Stan and all the stories stem from that.

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Richard Lowe | 1 February 2010 - 5:56pm

He's a comedian

who needs the oxygen of publicity and notoriety, nothing new there. Oh and he makes me laugh, so that's good too. Then there's this, how can you not love this AND I believe he is laughing at himself in this as well as the Brent character.

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Dave Amitri | 1 February 2010 - 6:13pm

The only thing Ricky Gervais ever did that was worth anything

was giving Ashley Jensen a gig.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 1 February 2010 - 6:20pm

Well said that man^^^^^

I'd include Martin Freeman on that list as well.

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ganglesprocket | 1 February 2010 - 6:34pm

Props to

Mackenzie Crook and Lucy Davis, too. And Ralph "Finchy" Ineson. They did assemble a fine cast for that show, didn't they?

I never really got along with Extras, gave up after the first series, and have generally avoided him since. He's a minor irritant in a whole world of more interesting stuff.

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Cadabra | 1 February 2010 - 8:49pm

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Gauntlet | 1 February 2010 - 7:52pm

For The Office, [most] of Extras, The Podcasts &

discovering Karl Pilkington,
and for this - The funniest scene on telly in the last 20 years -


- Gervais is always welcome in my world
He's funny, intelligent, he has great taste in music generally and LOVES Bowie particularly & he's given me more moments of pleasure than any other artist I can think of in the last 10 years. I do find myself disagreeing with some of the more objectionable things he says occasionally, but as far as I know he's not killed anybody, abused kids or mugged an old lady so I'll let him off with a few personality flaws [cos I've got loads]
As with all things artistic, where one is unavoidably detached from the creator of the work, it all comes down to one thing, If you like somebody's work you will excuse them most things and if you don't, you wont.

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ChaosandMorphine | 1 February 2010 - 7:53pm

I enjoyed The Office and

Extras. I thought Ghost Town was quite funny in parts. I think Gervais is putting on an act whenever he's being interviewed. The persona he's developed sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. It didn't seem to click at the Golden Globes the other week but personally I think it's hilarious when any A-lister gets the piss taken out of them, particularly when it's by a short, overweight Ernest Penfold look-a-like.

His persona allows him to make some close to the bone and opinionated comments which I also think is OK. Too much comedy is being neutered in the name of tolerance when it's actual effect is to perpetuate intolerance.

Gervais is obviously of the "anything is a legitimate target" school of comedy and his persona means we are unsure just what is his opinion and what is the opinion of the stage version of himself. It's a delicate balancing act to get it right and I think the broader requirements of American mainstream comedy might be his downfall. The subtleties of the tension in his "act" will be lost.

On the whole I like him because you get the warts and all.

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Ahh_Bisto | 1 February 2010 - 8:02pm

Ricky Gervais

I Loved The office and Extras and also thouyght that his stand up Comedy is ver good. I thought he was good in Night at the museum and I also liked him in Ghost Town. However there are many new younger stand ups who are probably more relevant now than him. People liek Andrew Maxwell and Russell Howard are now more necessary than he is. I will always love Gervais, but I think his time is over.

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jackM | 1 February 2010 - 8:08pm

Tall poppy syndrome

There is a wider point here. Massive favourites Richard Thompson and Elvis Costello, to name but two, are pretty much North American residents and the latter has been known to complain about us small island dwellers vis a vis the appreciation of his work. I find that a little galling although I know he doesn't mean me. Mind you, I don't think many people either side of the Atlantic played his For The Stars LP more than once. The market is also much bigger there. You can be a 'cult' act and still sell a lot of CDs and concert tickets, at the same time as getting a bit of real or perceived resentment from us back home for taking the dollar in the first place, apparently.

OK, Bush might have been an exception, along with a few others we were glad to see the back of.

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Paul Bernays | 2 February 2010 - 12:05am
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