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If I like … I might like.

Madrid's picture

Here’s an experiment. These similar-music type recommendations are generally crap on things like Amazon or emusic or whatever, but I wonder with the combined knowledge of the Word massive if it might actually work.

I’ve recently discovered a couple of singer-songwriters from the 80s who I’ve spent the previous 20 years assuming were crap – Lloyd Cole and Billy Bragg. I was wrong, they are bloody great and I’ve spent a highly enjoyable three months wallowing around in their extensive back catalogues. Now I want more similar stuff.

So my question is this. If I like them, who else might I like?

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Matthew Sweet

Extremely underated over here, has an excellent new album just out called "Sunshine Lies".
Has the sublime Velvet Crush as his backing band and has worked extensively with Richard Lloyd from Television on previous albums along with the late Robert Quine from the Voidoids and Lou Reed's group.

Surely a prime candidate for a Word feature?

Also, has the enviable pleasure of working with Susanna Hoffs from the Bangles, lucky man!

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Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 5:10pm

seconded

Robert Quine worked with Lloyd Cole before his untimely death, I believe.
Matthew Sweet's 'Girlfriend' is a good album to start with. And yes, his 60s covers album with Susanna Hoffs never fails to put me in a good mood.

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Jon | 7 October 2008 - 6:07pm

Roddy Frame...

sorry me again, just thought...Roddy Frame ex-Aztec Camera has some really good solo albums out and is well worth catching live too - very entertaining.

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Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 5:09pm

Happy Birthday

It was Matthew Sweet's birthday yesterday. No idea why I know that but I used to have an unhealthy obsession with Velvet Crush.

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Jamie_Bowman | 7 October 2008 - 5:11pm

I'm hoping he'll play here again

what with the new album - he rarely does but last time I saw him was "awesome" as the Americans say!

Velvet Crush's "White Soul" has to have one of the greatest riffs of all time!

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Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 5:14pm

Sweet and Ver Crush

Lucky enough to see Matthew Sweet at the Astoria 2/Mean Fiddler/whatever it's called a few years ago. Supposedly 'supported' by Velvet Crush, they turned out to be his backing band. Halfway through, he announced 'I'm going to go for half an hour or so to let Velvet Crush play some songs', which they did. Brilliant idea.
Another thing I remember was the gasp from the audience on Sweet's stage entrance - he had put on a massive amount of weight... anyway, Happy Birthday Matthew!

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Jon | 7 October 2008 - 6:14pm

Roddy

"Surf" may be a great place to start. There is also an amazing Matthew Sweet covers album, can't remember the name now but it is done with so much affection for the music, that the rather obvious choice of covers does not matter.

Actually the name is "Under The Covers".Plus you gotta hear "Divine Intervention" off the "Girlfriend" album. Nick Heyward's solo albums are also superb!!

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Bingham | 7 October 2008 - 6:09pm

Sort of you had to be there......

At the same time I was relishing Lloyd Cole, I was also very fond of Deacon Blue; yes, they haven't aged well, but just re-visit "Raintown", their first and best moment, for some fabulous tunes. That and their Bacharach EP is about all I'd bother with, to be fair, as it was steep downhill thereafter.

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Retropath2 | 7 October 2008 - 6:28pm

Bright Eyes, The Shins

(Forgive me if this is a 'durrr, course I know them')

If you like well-crafted songs composed on an acoustic guitar by a talented lyricist, then buy anything by those two above. Starting points:

Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake It's Morning (or Conor Oberst's latest solo album).

The Shins - you can't go wrong with any of their 3 albums.

Mind you, I think Billy Bragg's a useless t0sser; it's Lloyd Cole I'm thinking of.....

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kb | 7 October 2008 - 6:32pm

If you'll entertain girlies as well as blokes

give Aimee Mann a try. You'll be surprised at how good she is.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 7 October 2008 - 6:39pm

Why not

Try T-Bone Burnett's Proof Through The Night?

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Mr Drayton | 7 October 2008 - 8:24pm

Boo Hewerdine

Have a go at Anon and Harmongraph. Both great, very underrated and in keeping with Lloyd more than Billy.

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Leedsboy | 7 October 2008 - 8:39pm

Have the full set of both Lloyd and Billys work

so going by that, other people of similar ilk I would recommend are...
Ian McNabb - Album after album of quality songs and a top bloke as well
Neil Halstead - (as featured in this months The Word) his Mojave 3 stuff is excellent.
Steven Lindsay - 2 great solo albums and The Big Dish stuff is good as well.
Kevin Tihista - not quite so consistent, but worth checking out.

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Salty | 7 October 2008 - 9:48pm

Give Elliott Smith a try

Particularly the album XO

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Futurenoir | 7 October 2008 - 10:06pm

I'd give the Go-Betweens a try.

As for Matthew Sweet I read an interview with Sussanah Hoffs where she mentioned the second volume of covers with Mr Sweet is on its way. This time all 70's songs. No it's not something I dreamt.

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Cookieboy | 7 October 2008 - 10:07pm

Oh and you might like

Ian McNabb

One of this country's most underated songwriters

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Futurenoir | 7 October 2008 - 10:08pm

If you only buy one of his,

get Head Like A Rock, with Crazy Horse acting as backing band on four stomping great tunes, including the brilliant opener.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 8 October 2008 - 1:01pm

If you only buy one of his,

get "Truth and beauty".
Much as I love "Head like a Rock", this is perhaps more representative. Listen to "Presence of the One" and if you are not struck silent in awe, then you must be already dead.

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Retropath2 | 9 October 2008 - 9:29am

Used to have

all the Icicle Works and his first 3 or 4 solo albums on tape. One of the few things I never replaced on CD or download. So haven't heard anything for about ten years. Clearly, again, I was wrong.

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Madrid | 9 October 2008 - 10:20am

Thank you all.

Some I've heard, plenty I haven't.
Was going to finally let emusic membership lapse this month, but plenty of these to be found there. So, they've got me for one more month at least.

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Madrid | 8 October 2008 - 8:50am

Have a look at The Long Winters

on eMusic as well.

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Leedsboy | 8 October 2008 - 9:07am

And report back!

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kb | 8 October 2008 - 6:39pm

I don't really know anything about Loyd Cole....

....but I like Billy Bragg.

I can't think of anyone else who does solo shows with only an electric guitar.....it started off as a bit of a gimmick, but he's been doing it for almost 30 years now. His voice is hardly melodic, he's not the greatest guitarist in the world and his songs tend to be sad so I can understand why some people don't get him. Much of his work is sad but it doesn't make me sad.

I think his best work was in the 80's. For me, it's the lyrics. Love songs, personal songs and left leaning political songs...fighting for the underdog...I can relate to all of that!!

You might like(because I do)

Steve Earle - great storyteller, left wing politically, personal songs, love songs......

Loudon Wainwright III - there's not really a lot of politics in his work but his songs are very personal. The reason no-one covers him is because his songs *are* so personal. Mostly (don't fall in) love songs written with anger and/or irony. Very funny man!

John Hiatt - another great storyteller and singer of personal/love songs. Plays in many different styles.

Steve Forbert - yet again another expert storyteller who leans to the left. Personal as well as love songs from the very early albums right through to his latest release.

Randy Newman - Piano instead of guitar this time....miss out his work from the movie industry(though there's nothing wrong with it)and you'll find politics and anger along with his love songs and stories....oh, and he's the master of irony.

The above are all American so their personal politics are a bit different from Billys but really they're just the same. They're all a little older than Billy and I'd bet that every one of them has had some influence on him.

Is it too obvious to mention the early works of Elvis Costello and Joe Jackson?

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bigsteviecook | 8 October 2008 - 8:07pm

If you like Billy Bragg

Try Roy Bailey. Similar subject matter - politics and love - but better sung, usually with Martins Carthy or Simpson accompanying. Roy doesn't write songs but he does pick good ones.

His erstwhile partner Leon Rosselson, who does write songs including "The World Turned Upside Down" which Billy covered, is more of an acquired taste.

Then of course there's Martin Simpson in his own right (and Carthy for that matter). And Clive Gregson too.

I've never listened to any Lloyd Cole but will now check him out.

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Thomas the Rhymer | 10 October 2008 - 12:37pm

Thanks for that

Re. Lloyd. Try some old and new to start. His last album, Antidepressant from 2006, is something of a modern classic I reckon. Unfairly ignored. Just pleasant at first, but now it won't let me go. Then all the way back to the debut Rattlesnakes, which needs no introduction.
Just about everything in between is top notch too. Just ignore Bad Vibes. It's horrible.

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Madrid | 10 October 2008 - 12:54pm

I forgot

John Tams.

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Thomas the Rhymer | 14 October 2008 - 7:51am

Try and catch Lloyd live

when he is doing one of his solo acoustic shows. Nice line of patter, though it is a bit disconcerting watching him in the flesh, because he is Jimmy Carr's doppelganger.

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Salty | 10 October 2008 - 6:55pm

Absolutely

on the money with the doppelganger comment - it is really unsettling!

I saw LC about six months ago in the Carnegie Hall (that's the original one in Dunfermline!) and he was really good. I loved Rattlesnakes but my attention drifted thereafter so to see him and enjoy it so much after all these years was a real pleasure.

Very witty and engaging in-between song banter, too. In dicussing a song, he name-checked Ian Hunter's writing style where all the old Mott the Hoople records where based around the experience of being in a rock band. I was the only one in the hall who cheered having seen the great man in Edinburgh just a month before.

Yup - it's a mighty long way down rock'n'roll.....

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ritchie45 | 11 October 2008 - 10:52pm

He's also a serious golf nut...

and could feature in Word's Star Specialisms section. Though personally I've never got any of his post Rattlesnakes stuff (I should revist though)

Billy however I've been following for years since I first picked up "Brewing Up". I must admit that some of his latest material is a bit forced compared to his back catalogue. But when that back catalogue includes "Workers Playtime" a break-up album to stand beside "Blood on the Tracks" and "Tunnel of Love" can I also recommend his podcast where he chats with Wiggy and tells the story of his career thus far. Also Andrew Collins (of the Word parish) biography of the great man is excellent.

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Gramsci | 11 October 2008 - 5:47pm

Music in a foreign language

Had all of Lloyd Cole's albums up to Love Story (which is my favorite) and then stopped.

This blog has persuaded me to look at the later stuff, just downloaded this which was cheap on itunes, will try anti-depressant next.

Trying to think of if you like .. and came up with Ben Folds, ok so piano again rather than guitar but as Nick Hornby highlights in 31 songs, always good

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Los Aromas | 12 October 2008 - 6:07pm
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