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I Just Don't Get It
Posted by Mr Drayton on 14 September 2011 - 1:18pm.
All this week Mitch Winehouse has been plastered over the tabloids. Yesterday he and his wife appeared on This Morning, blubbing their story. Today 'heartbroken fiance Reg opens his heart' to Gordon Smart in The Sun. I just don't get it. It is catharsis, grave robbing,
limelight hogging or the lure of another payday?
I know they're launching a rehab centre in her name, but really, isn't it all just a little disrespectful?
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They're a shower...
...same as all those coat-tailing, theme-park-building, tribute-concert-whinging cash-in Jacksons. a useless, tawdry shower the lot of them. I try to avoid reading/seeing anything about any of them.
apart from that, I've no strong opinions...
I have presumed that
one should recite your post aloud adopting the voice of Terry Thomas.
A shaah! An ebsolute shaah!!
...I couldn't possibly comment... :-D
Not having lost
a close relative at a criminally young age (let alone in the full glare of the world's media) I don't know the best way to handle te grief and enormous emotional rollercoaster.
Although if it had been widely reported a loved one had overdosed on smack and it turned out it was most likely a seizure bought on by detoxing from booze then I'd be making as much noise as possible
There's no excuse for anyone...
...to go on daytime TV shows. Ever.
Or
watching them. Even if you're a student. Or drunk. Or both
I quite agree, Dogmeister...
...the gates of hell are an over-lit sofa during office hours, and Eamonn Holmes the boatman on its Styx...
She had a fiance?
Just found the article, stange that given all the stories I've seen that's the first I'd heard of it.
Oh, I'm sure he'll...
...be selling his heart-rending story exclusively in 'OK?' before too long.
Yes it's bl**dy tasteless alright
Personally I think the Amie Winehouse Rehab Centre is just about the most tasteless thing I can think of. I wonder if when you ring the doorbell to this centre, you'll hear the words "no, no, no" as a door chime? Hmm.
I dunno
It's not unusual for clinics specialising in a particular illness (and addiction is an illness) to be named after sufferers. Betty Ford's another example.
K here's my problem
That song Rehab seems to be about her weakness and depression. And her decisions in the face of better advice. That vocal performance is one the reasons she is so strongly associated with the issue. But her oh so cool decision in the face of this advice at the time is "no no no". Good role model?
I met her briefly twice as I said in a previous thread. She was off her face and clearly headed for the dump truck. Sorry
Amy Winehouse rehab
I think a rehab centre is a good thing. It'd make good use of some of the money Winehouse left behind, helping people with similar problems.
Shelving the idea just because it might clash with one of her lyrics would be a bit daft.
Yeah but is it actually going to be called ..
.. the Amie Winehouse Centre? Probably, thats my problem. I agree that the idea of using her name to get the thing off the ground is Ok, I just hope there's some taste involved in how that's implemented
No, I don't think she's a good role model
But I'm not sure you need to be a good role model to have a medical facility named after you. As for the "no, no. no" line, that's addiction in a nutshell. People who aren't addicts are much more likely to take on board sensible advice from those who love them, while addicts often won't. It's not an "oh so cool" choice to ignore help and to destroy your life in the process, it's a manifestation of the illness.
I am with you on that one
Regardless of her merits as a singer that song seemed to glorify being off your tits on booze or drink and proud of it too. The number of pissed up women I have heard singing it as some kind of anthem would suggest that is exactly not what she would have wanted her name associated with. She had more help than most in trying to get off the junk but chose not to. Strange then that her folks would invest time and energy in something she openly shunned. Yes it was sad but entirely self destructive.
Not entirely sure...
... why this thread is on The Word's website. Most of the correspondents here thus far seem to be more suited to the Daily Mail.
Yawn
We need another Godwin's Law, to cover comments like this.
We don't
But we do need some of the forum 'elders' to consider their position.
I suspect
That that's your half of "we"
This half doesn't need anyone to reconsider anything
Oh, you want more laws too?
Why does that not surprise me?
Edited
You aren't worth the hassle.
Because a significant proportion of the Massive
are middle-aged, middle-class, middle-England who have worked hard all their lives to provide for their families and have no time for the feckless and spoiled?
Possibly...
but I'm middle aged, working class and Northern. I too have worked hard all my life to provide for my families (yes, plural - I've been divorced and then widowed) and have no time for the feckless and spoiled - but I do worry about what happens to those who find life all of a sudden dumps on them from a great height, or haven't got the capacity - for whatever reason - to cope. It's this undercurrent that anyone who seeks to use their name or associations to help is somehow a cynical self-server that sticks in my craw. The tone of much of this thread smacks of an I'm-alright-Jack smugness. If the Amy Winehouse rehab centre (or whatever) saves just one person because they were drawn to it because of her name, then it's worth it in my book. Stripped of her fame, she could be your next door neighbour's daughter. She was a troubled woman who died too young - and there a plenty more of them. But it's easier to sneer isn't it?
Good post
Why didn't you post that originally instead of plumping for the tiresome, empty-headed 'Daily Mail-reader' jibe?
Yes, Blueser, I agree: a good post...
...I'll hold my hands up and say (as implied in my earlier post, when I said I try my best not to read about or see news reports about families of deceased 'tabloid celebrities' - for wont of a better expression [I think everyone will know what I mean there: people whose fame had an aspect a tabloid tawdriness about it, whatever their root talent/otherwise] that, if we're being cold-light-of-day serious here, I simply don't know enough about the Winehouse family to pass judgement.
Perhaps its the demands of a fevered media or of some PR advisor (and I really would be stunned if the family didn't have 'people' on board, if only to keep the media at bay) rather than pure coat-tailing on Mr Winehouse's part. But wasn't there some really sleazy druggie upper class guy she was involved with for ages? It'll end in tears...
However.... I HAVE seen, heard and read enough about the post Michael Jackson situation to have a very firm judgement on those guys. Michael will remain their meal ticket, one way or another, for the rest of their lives. All this mawkish stuff about his 'legacy' and the rest of it is fully deserving of Jarvis Cocker's backside. I appreciate others may wish to take a different view, but my jury has long since returned on that one.
And weren't there some awful people/situations coat-tailing in the aftermath of Jade Goody's demise? Again, I don't know much (because I really do choose not to waste my time absorbed with these kind of stories, but you can't help being aware of some of it) - but wasn't there some grim tale about her fiancee/husband...?
Perhaps I'm a kind of cultural snob in seeing some people as 'tabloid people' and doing my best not to know about them but, honestly, we all have to draw a line somewhere and defend our little patch of ground within it. Within my little patch of ground, I'll give as little time or thought as possible to Simon Cowell, Pete Doherty, whoever Cheryl is, whoever Kerry Katona is... You get my drift?
Maybe I'd care about these people as human beings if I met them/knew them - as you've very eloquently suggested, Bluesboy - but as people who clog up the cultural/news media, I just don't care about them and that's a conscious decision.
Anybody else have a similar approach, or am I just a bit odd in that respect?
cleaning out my room today
I found Phaedra and Rubycon by The Tangerine Dream.
Feck me! there's some genius in them ellpees.
wrong thread?
Opposites mate
Phaedra was the dogs bollocks, Rubycon was bollocks