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I Hate Musicals
Posted by Mr Drayton on 11 February 2010 - 9:07am.
I hate musicals. I love music, I love singing, I love cinema and I love theatre. When they're stuck together though, what a palaver.
There are some great musicals - but the singing gets in the way of the plot. If, for instance, if Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was a normal film, it would be an hour shorter and all the better for it. The only 'musical' I can stomach is Moulin Rouge, and that's not really a musical, it's a film with songs crowbarred into the plot.
Anyone out there want to suggest a musical that I might like?*
*Don't even dare mention The Rocky Horror Show, I hate The Rocky Horror Show.
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Singin' in the Rain
Possibly my favourite film - of any kind. If it doesn't make you grin, you may need your pulse checked.
Seconded...
I am no great fan of musicals but that is a wonderful film. The performances are extraordinary.
Nope -
Sorry - I have to be forced by gunpoint to see a musical.
I, too, loathe musicals.
Particularly modern ones. Spending an evening watching Kiss Of The Spider Woman a few years ago was just purgatory. You'll not be shocked to learn that it was the idea of the then-girlfriend to go see it. The only one I've ever watched (on the telly) and really enjoyed was My Fair Lady, even if Audrey Hepburn's lipsynching is a bit obvious.
Listen to Bernstein's
West Side Story. The one with Kiri and Jose. If you still hate musicals after that, watch Paint Your Wagon, it is the anti-musical musical.
Well, you've certainly...
...nominated an album for people who don't like musicals.
West Side Story is possibly the greatest musical of them all, and it doesn't need to be dignified by having opera stars sing it. It's not that opera singers are bad singers, it's just that West Side Story isn't an opera. The result is a great stuffed turkey of an album – roughly the equivalent of sumo wrestlers dancing Swan Lake.
If you want to hear West Side Story at its best, listen to the original Broadway cast album. It was recorded three days after the show opened in New York in September 1957, and it has extraordinary freshness and dynamism.
I second the recommendation of Singin' in the Rain, and I'd also suggest giving a listen to Guys and Dolls. Again, the original Broadway cast album is the freshest performance.
I agree completely
The opera version completely misses the point: the Jets and the Sharks were street gangs, and the soundtrack beneffited from using largely untrained singers, making sure their drawls stood out.
West Side Story...
When you say that opera singers ruin it, do you mean the film version? Just curious, I don't know much about it. But I do love the film. However, I'll certainly look out the original broadway cast album, so thanks for the recommendation.
The version...
...I was being rude about is the one mentioned by James EB. It was made by Deutsche Grammophon in 1984, with Bernstein himself conducting Kiri Te Kanawa as Maria and José Carreras as Tony.
The film soundtrack, from 1961, is a lusher recording than the Broadway cast album, with a larger orchestra. Most of the vocals are by singers who dubbed the actors' vocals, including Marni Nixon (who did a lot of that kind of thing, always brilliantly) singing for Natalie Wood.
snapped
meant as an nz colloquialism
I was thinking of asking the same thing
My 13yo niece has developed a love of them and I am all out of recommendations.
Singing in the Rain is easily the best I've seen. The plot is engaging enough they could have made it without songs and still made an entertaining film.
She loved Hair, West Side Story. That's it I'm out of ideas for my niece.
I wouldn't recommend it to somone that young but Cabaret is excellent. The song Tomorrow Belongs to Me is the most chilling thing I've ever seen in a musical.
PS she also loved Rocky Horror
Try her on Kiss Me Kate
OST rather than Original Cast Recording. It's a cracker. And cheap as the proverbial chips here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_3?rh=i%3Apopular%2Ck%3Akis...
Top 3 musicals
Spinal Tap
The Wicker Man
Cabaret (at a push)
That's it.
The Wicker Man?
The Wicker Man? A musical?
As you may have guessed
I was clutching at straws to find any musicals which I would rather watch than goudge my own eyeballs out with a spoon, but I would say that The Wicker Man is as much a musical as Cabaret or Tap. In all three the songs have kept to situations where people might be expected to sing.
I refer, of course, to the Edward Woodward/Christopher Lee version, not the Nic Cage remake ('No! No! Not the bees!)
I'm still mystified
There's lots of music in it, but it's not a musical.
That's my point
You could say the same of Tap, which most people wouldn't call a musical, or Cabaret, which posters to this thread generally agree is.
If we limit musicals to films in which entire street scenes burst into spontaneous song and dance then I'm with the original poster, and kindly request that you pass me that spoon before the opening credits to High Society have stopped running.
Sign me up
to this club. I hate most musicals with my particular bugbear being The Sound of Music and the entire output of Andrew Lloyd Webber.
A strong memory is of having to sit through Starlight Express. Choo Choo indeed.
Wicked is good
Well, it has one tune 'Defying Gravity' which I find sublime. Perhaps it's the clever-cleverness of musicals that puts so many off. Also the fact that people simply don't burst into song in real life and so the suspension of disbelief is constantly being broken. Still, though, I'd recommend you give Wicked a go...
I saw Wicked a few weeks ago...
... and was very impressed, though "Defying Gravity" is the only memorable tune in it... in fact, I almost started a "My night at Wicked" blog post, but reconsidered as I thought (correctly it seems) that even The Massive draw a line at musical theatre, arguably the most Marmite artform out there.
My own favourite is "Guys & Dolls", with "West Side Story" and "My Fair Lady" running close behind, and it's been blunted by overexposure, but even musical-haters know every song in the all-killer, no-filler "The Sound Of Music" by heart, a throwback to the days when musicals dominated the theatre, film and record worlds (and Lloyd-Webber's stuff doesn't remotely interest me, if that matters.)
PS If musicals really are kryptonite for anyone reading, Willy Russell's "Blood Brothers" is the one that might change your mind.
My mum loves musicals
It reminds me actually. She's a bit old fashioned, a bit of a technophobe, so a few years back I thought I'd show her the basics of using the internet. Given that she loves musicals, the first thing I showed her was how to google Andrew Lloyd-Webber. So we did that and had a browse of his site and whatnot. Next thing she wanted to look at was Les Miserable, so I just typed in lesmiserable dot com, pressed go, and up popped a rather large gentleman's appendage. Yup, it was that sort of site. Easily the most embarrassing moment myself and my mam have ever shared. I don't think she's 'surfed' since.
What's not to love
Brigadoon - you can just imagine this being covered by Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
ScotGeek comments...
There is actually a Brig O' Doon at Alloway in Ayrshire (over the River Doon) ... the original bridge dated back to, well, a long way ... a 'new' bridge was put up in the 18th C ... it featured in Burns' Tam O' Shanter poem where Tam 'crosses water' to finally escape from the hellish legions.
Musicals
are a bit like any other film genre, there are some superb and others awful.
Some Recommendations:
Singin' In The Rain
Cabaret
An American In Paris
Almost anything with Fred and Ginger in it
Almost anything called Golddiggers of 19...
Rocky Horror (it's a parody of 50s B movies, and a very good one at that)
West Side Story
I Love (good) Musicals
This is probably developing similarities with a discussion about the merits of Marmite but musicals represent a good proportion of my most loved, and in particular, most watched films. For me the best ones are...
1) The Rodgers & Hammerstein canon, really all of it. They all have a different feel - Carousel has a downbeat sense of dread:-
South Pacific is sans pareil in terms of tunes:-
2) Gene Kelly - An American in Paris, Singin' in the Rain and yes Brigadoon as mentioned
3) A Star is Born, Judy Garland version. The DVD has a fantastic 5.1 digital transfer that allows a skin-tingling rendition of this:-
4) Pal Joey
5) Meet me in St. Louis - The Trolley Song!
Yes this veers towards the 'classic' 1950's musical - but, you know what, the film version of the much-loved Lloyd-Webber's Phantom is also very enjoyable.
Heaven
Astaire/Rogers dancing is one of the most transcending viewing experiences
Which reminds me..
..I went to see the Pet Shop Boy's musical, Closer To Heaven. Twice. Thoroughly enjoyed it. That Frances Barber has a fine set of lungs on her.
What's pink and smells of ginger?
Fred Astaire's willy.
Commitments
do musicals that feature bands - where the songs etc are performed by musicians rehearsing/playing gigs - count? Or are we talking about people suddenly bursting into song a key points in the plot?
Must agree with cookieboy - Cabaret is a corker, and that Tommorrow Belongs to Me scene says more about the sinister nature of the regime than any number of 'Hitler's Favourite Henchmen' or 'Goering's Girlfriends' on the HIstory Channel.
In a similar vein
..though not strictly a musical, I always seem to get something in my eye when they sing La Marseillaise in Casablanca - and I'm not a francophile.
Very good distinction
I think we are talking about where the narrative is continues in song. Music in the plot doesn't make it a musical. So The Commitments isn't a musical. "One" isn't a musical. White Christmas is (and is brilliant), Singin in the Rain is, etc. Cabaret is sot of both. Which is another reason why it is brilliant. And was, incidentally, the first video I ever rented.
Musicals
Music and Performing Arts should generally never be mixed. It's like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters....
Mary Poppins
is the only musical I'd even consider seeing at the theatre. Possibly Chitty Chitty Bang Bang too, but after that I draw the line.
I like the odd song, but I don't want to watch it being sung on stage.
CCBB
Hate it
1) Rubbish tunes
2) Its 5 hours long
3) Its all a story!! Whats the point!! You've endured this tale and then the punchline is.. it was just a story made up on a beach
The Sound Of Music is brilliant.
The Bonzos agree with me...
There is only one musical...
... and there is only one song in that musical ... (and i don't mean Clint singing to a tree). All together now, "Snow can burn your eyes but only people make you cry..."
Dancer in the Dark
I hate musicals too....but I did enjoy Dancer in the Dark (if 'enjoy' is the right word).
Some great music, and the fact that the songs are part of escapist fantasies means you don't suffer the silliness of people just bursting into song in the middle of a conversation.
Loathe them apart from
Cabaret - the songs are all on stage, none of this "hey, lets do the song here in the road" bollocks. Anyone ever tried starting a jam session in a Cash Converters like they do on Fame?
And I found Return To The Forbidden Planet ok.
Musicals get on my moobs...
... (Seven Brides For Seven Brothers particularly), but I did rather like Tim Burton's version of Sweeney Todd, with Johnny Depp & Helena Bonham Carter.
Given your username
where do you stand on Mr Merritt's Musical leanings?
Musicals by stealth
How about approaching musicals in easy-to-manage, bite-size chunks?
You could start by just reading lyrics. I would put forward three songs from "West Side Story" as having some of the best lyrics ever written in any genre of music - and all still so relevant:
"America" - the wittiest description of the immigrant experience ever written: http://bit.ly/92VUEi
"Gee, Officer Krupke" - the wittiest description ever written of society's ongoing attempts to deal with the problem of "youths": http://bit.ly/a85mtS
"Somewhere" - one of the world's greatest songs of love and yearning: http://bit.ly/9fKrex
(Of course, like any lyrics these work much better when performed - and acted by the full cast - but I only got into The Smiths by reading Morrissey on the page, so it's worth a try).
Then listen to an instrumental version of the "West Side Story" score - it's the greatest of all the musicals.
Then try and put them together, perhaps still allowing yourself to cover your eyes at cheesy moments.
If this doesn't work, go to a theatre and see "The Producers" (not sure where in the world it's on at the moment). It pretty much takes the mickey out of the whole genre. Do NOT watch the film of the stage version.
Spot on
Especially "somewhere". I love the film, love it even more on stage. There may be some who don't know that WSS is based on Romeo and Juliet - well it is and the plot/tension/drama is as involving as anything else I can imagine. The songs add to the experience. I agree that "shoehorning" goes on with other musicals but it doesn't with this.
I would add Guys and Dolls. Great on stage, great songs. A really watchable film too with Frank Sinatra and Marlon Brando. But deffo start with WSS.
May I recommend
Les Parapluies de Cherbourg?
How many songs does it have to have to qualify?
My appreciation of musicals tends to range from "dislike" to "I hate this film so much that I'm going to walk out of the cinema for the first time in my life, then I'm going to hunt down Baz Luhrman and burn him at the stake." Yep, that was Moulin Rouge. For some reason, I didn't learn, and went to see Chicago, figuring that as it had just one the best picture oscar, it might be okay. Wrong. Second-ever cinema walkout ensued.
Anyway, I've watched the Jungle Book many times with my daughter, and I adore it. Does it count as a musical? I'd bet that, whether or not it does, it contains more (in both senses) memorable songs than a good many bona fide "musicals".
Jungle Book
I can't see why it wouldn't be a musical, and it is brilliant. Will I get into trouble if I add "Beauty and the Beast" and "Enchanted"? I am sentimental about these things. Can I add in my defence that I have young daughters?
As is often the case
the answer is Joss Whedon. The Buffy musical episode 'Once More With Feeling' had a good reason (within the show's premise) for the cast to break into song periodically. Said songs were funny, sad, all the things you would want.
His 'Dr Horrible's Musical Blog' is also a fantastic piece of work - the songs & performances are the opposite of cheesy & the lyrics actually contribute to & advance the storyline.
Got to make you cry
Always love the ones where the music tears unashamedly at the heartstrings (and tearducts).
Nothing like a happy tale of Russian pogroms to pass an afternoon with a box of tissues:
Or you could try Sweet Charity. Was going to link to The Rhythm of Life, but on re-watching, realised it's exactly the sort of ersatz Hollywood interpretation of the 1960's that any musical hater would loathe.
So just go for broke with Meet me in St Louis. Also got the added bonus of the best child actor, ever.
Hmm.
"Nothing like a happy tale of Russian pogroms to pass an afternoon with a box of tissues"
I prefer a couple of lesbian DVDs, but each to his own..
Good Stuff, Thanks
So it's Cabaret and Westside Story on the wishlist. I'd never considered Disney cartoons to be musicals. I do remember enjoying Paint Your wagon, but boy is it long. If they cut out the songs (apart from wandrin' Star and Can of Beans and I Talk to the trees) it would be a great film.
I'm still not wholly convinced mind, but great to see the Word has so many camp contributors.
...
Does Francis Ford Coppola's "One From the Heart" qualify?
... because it's got plenty of top tunes by Tom Waits on it.
Crystal Gayle
singing Old Boyfriends
It counts
It's a musical. And brilliant.
I enjoy some musicals
I like West Side Story, Singin' In The Rain, On The Town etc for example.
A contemporary musical could be the film Once which those who don't like musicals always seem to enjoy when I show it to them.
I love all music generally
I love all music generally except for Country and Irish which is crap !!
Musicals - there's good and bad ones (generally)
Good = up to mid late 60's Broadway/West End e.g. West Side Story, Oliver, Calamity Jane etc
Bad Ones - after that (with The exception of Mary Poppins, Wicked etc which are more in the tradition)
Just saw West Side Story (riveting) and Mary Poppins (Magical) on Broadway recently and the whole experience was fantastic.
I amd Secretary of a musical theatre group in Northern Ireland and we do a musical a year, last year Oliver! (which was brilliant to do) and this May Sweet Charity (Story by Neil Simon and originallystaged and choreographed by Bob Fosse) which has great numbers in it e.g. Rhythm of Life (remember Sammy Davis Junior's version) , Hey Big Spender (see Shirley Bassey) etc.
It all boils down to a good story, well constructed songs , great choreography and a solida , imaginative Director.
you making the pilgrimage to Killarney this year
then Paul?
I'm similarly involved with a group in the South and it's quite odd. I've no desire to sit through musicals much. I average seeing one a year, and it'll be a local-ish amateur production, where I know the folks involved. However, for those of you who say that West Side Story is wonderful - and it is - trust me on this; there is nothing that quite beats the sensation of being *on* the stage, singing "Somewhere" as part of an 8 part harmony and the lights slowly dim. Fin.
(mind you, I'm still not sure what happens much in Act Two...too much time available for us lowly chorus members to bunk off and smoke ciggies out back!)
The Glory Days of MGM!
There are a few good musicals out there, particularly: Singin' In The Rain, Mary Poppins, The Sound Of Music, An American In Paris, High Society, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Oliver!, and Scrooge.
A Hard Day's Night was an entertaining musical, but nobody seems to regard it as such!
Little Shop Of Horrors
For this song alone
David Tennant sings The Smiths, shags to Slade in...
...Blackpool.
I don't like most musicals but I loved this.
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Oh Lord, please don't get me started, my hatred of this fillum knows no bounds!
Tim (Simon Pegg) from "Spaced" on the Rocky Horror Picture Show:
"I hate it! It's boil-in-the-bag perversion for sexually repressed accountants and first-year drama students with too many posters of Betty Blue, The Blues Brothers, Big Blue and Blue Velvet on their blue bloody walls!"
I hate Simon Pegg too
although I'm beginning to just really, really, really dislike him after that
He forgot this...
Mrs Preston74
is far too keen on musicals for my liking, even the girls, aged 16 and 5, are being slowly indoctrinated.
Hairspray, Les Mis, Wicked, Billy Elliott - I have adroitly managed to avoid accompanying them to see them all in the last 12 months and was immensely relieved last month when we found out the local Guildhall had sold out for Chicago starring Marti Pellow
Junior Preston74 (Olivia, aged 5) was taken to We Will Rock You last year and loved every minute of it. For decades I never dared admit to a slight liking for Queen as I had a best mate through school who hated them with a vengeance and wouldn't have spoken to me had I even hummed along to Crazy Little Thing Called Love - but I can't countenance the thought of seeing people who are not actually Queen sing even their their better numbers in a flimsy plot slung together by Ben Elton, who I really can't abide
Having said all that, me & Mrs P74 went to see Cabaret at Studio 54 in Manhattan on the eve of our wedding in 2004 and it was thoroughly brilliant - Jon Secada played the MC and Tom Bosley was in it too.
I was gutted to find out that Sally Bowles had been played some months earlier by Pretty In Pink honey Molly Ringwald, who my wife looked a bit like when I first met her in 1980!
Monty Python's The Meaning Of Life
Chock full of hummable tunes and big production numbers with choreography by Arlene Phillips. Fun for all the family.
South Park Bigger Longer Uncut
top musical.
As a rule of thumb I'd say i hated musicals (I once got dragged to see Les Mis in the West End - christ on a bike that was shite), but there's too many exceptions in the film world (Jungle Book, South Pacific, Paint Your Wagon etc etc) for this to be hard and fast.
oooh forgot one stage musical
I went to see the production of The Black Rider at the Barbican with Marianne Faithfull. That was very good. Tom Waits though, so it was bound to be really.
Grease
is a bit of entertaining fluff.
I was in it at school & retain a soft spot for it.
Sandy, Sandy, Sandy...
I went to see 'Grease' at the cinema when it came out and remember the enormous queue that snaked out of the building and down the street. I absolutely bloody loved it, and the 9 year old me thought Sandy was the most enchanting creature he'd ever seen. Years later I was travelling around the USA with two friends and we arrived in Los Angeles with no place to stay. We couldn't find anywhere affordable so my pal Matt said "I'll ring my aunt Olivia Newton John." My reply was something along the lines of "What did you f**king say?!" It turned out to be absolutely true, but sadly she was away so I didn't get to meet her.
Strange fact: ONJ's grandfather on her mother's side was the Nobel prize-winning physicist Max Born.
her maternal grandad was Max Born?
okay, it's 20 past midnight and i can hardly type straight but i am waay impressed
I found this out because...
the guy I was travelling in was Matt Born, another relative.
Yes...
The Olivia Neutron Bomb Factor was a strong pull.
I seem to remember at least one song from the film appearing on TOTP every week for about a year.
She was quite a woman - Travolta was very cool too.
C>F
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/love-never-dies-until-andrew-lloyd...
You are wrong...
...to the power of wrong. If you say no to musicals, you say no to this life affirming blast of pre-rock and roll excitement from 1941; there really ISN'T that much that happened after Elvis that has been this raw or exciting:
and as well as missing out on "Hellzapoppin'" you lose the confident, urbane "Top Hat", the dark Joycean wonder of "Meet Me In St Louis", the blast of fresh air that was "Oklahoma" and you never get to see "Gold Diggers of 1933", one of the many quite brilliant points of light that helped the US survive the depression.
You say no to a raft of concise, witty, durable and brilliantly written songs and lyrics that may well be remembered long after John and Paul are forgotten, and you turn your back on the one medium that probably defines the US better than any other.
(applause)
That clip was genuinely amazing. Thanks for posting, I've never seen that before.
Nine
I loathe musicals but I believe this is one. I dont really know, I wasnt listening. Penelope Cruz roams around dressed in very little. Frankly, thats recommendation enough for me.
musicals
I am currently writing my university dissertation on sweeney todd so i can assure you that sondheim writes musicals that are worth listening to! sunday in the park with george, merrily we roll along, company, a little night music....all excellent pieces of work. More recently, Jason robert brown is very similar to ben folds and 'the last 5 years' is well worth a look, and duncan sheik's 'spring awakening' was excellent in its recent west end incarnation. Musical theatre is like any other art form, there are good pieces and bad pieces, to say you don't like musicals is equivalent to saying you don't like rock music or hip hop - you cant hate an entire genre!
Oh lordy
We had a visitor staying with us and wanted to see a show at the Sydney opera house. All they had on was "Side By Side By Sondheim". Let me just say that for me, it was a white knuckle agony fest. Thankfully my musical-loving wife and guest also thought it was dreadful so I got to leave at the intermission before totally losing it.
This hatred of musicals knows few bounds, and largely started from interminable weekends when musicals were often all that was on TV, and my little sister loved them.
But I also subscribe to the Spike Milligan school of thought. Classic Hollywood, and especially musicals, sold us a complete lie about life, love and the world at large. Ok, it was escapist and for its time, but this teenager in the 70s didn't get the nostalgia bit, just the lie bit.
Priscilla Queen of the Desert
I don't normally go to this kind of show, but this one I enjoyed from start to finish. It is, of course, based upon the film that starred Guy Pearce and Terence Stamp. This show stars Jason Donovan, who wasn't the strongest performer on stage. A great, trashy, camp, overblown and very funny show. It's on at the Palace Theatre, Shaftsbury Avenue.
Isn't this in the same category as
The Commitments ? A normal movie in which the characters just happen to perform songs (or in this case mime) in the line of duty ? And I did like both of these films.
Bugsy Malone
is the one for me. The kids are great, it's funny, the songs are brilliant.
The actual musical production and instrumentation on the songs is great as well: the fact that they're sung by adults and lip-synched by kids lends it a surreal quality.
Before you close your mind...
try Little Shop of Horrors, High Society and Beauty and the Beast. Little Shop has Levi Stubbs as a carnivorous plant, High Society has Louis Armstrong, Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby and Beauty and the Beast has singing crockery. It's a broad church, the Musical genre.
Levi sings as a plant:
Louis kicks off High Society:
You'll never have people over without humming this:
good songs fucked up by a storyline
is my estimation of the better examples and the bad examples are bad songs made worse by a story line
musicals are the real devil's work