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How to archive on the PC hours of home movies?

LOUDspeaker's picture

I've got a lot of master tapes on an obsolete format called Digital8 (a standard definition 1.33:1 format).

My Digital8 camcorder is 11 years old and in great condition. But if it snuffs it I might be in trouble as getting a replacement might be awkward or expensive.

I think the obvious thing to do is to feed my tapes into my computer where they can be stored, copied and duplicated for ever more with ease on endless external hard drives. Obviously I will be keeping my master tapes, but I would prefer them backed up on my computer.

I only want to do this once as I don't fancy repeating this years later. I'm planning to copy them as .avi files. Do you think this is future proof enough? Is it widely compatible with everything? Is there a better video format? Have you come a cropper with badly decided archiving practices? Any dos and don'ts?

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Not Digital8, but DV

Not done any Digital8 format stuff but have archived a load of MiniDV tapes to the computer, on which they are stored as "DV" format, which is I believe a variant of AVI, As AVI is an uncompressed format, so I would concur that AVI is probably the way to go. Its also a very "user friendly" format in that it can be converted to almost anything.

I must admit that I used a Mac and iMovie to do all mine - simply a matter of hooking up the camcorder via firewire and importing as DV.

If you are using Windows, then check out http://www.videohelp.com/ - they have extensive how to guides, software and forums covering every aspect of video encoding.

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chrisf | 23 August 2011 - 12:00pm

AVI

is a container format, no? There's a level of encoding beneath it.

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Brookster | 23 August 2011 - 12:05pm

Yes

The extension .avi doesn't really pin it down to one particular format. As such, it's probably the most *confusing of video descriptions as it means so many different things to so many different machines and applications.

*OK then, it confuses me!

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JohnW | 23 August 2011 - 1:28pm

In my enthusiastically amateurish experience

the advantage of .avi files is that both Mac and PC based programs will speak to them and, if you're into that sort of thing, so will more advanced editing programs like Final Cut etc. Compatability is certainly a major plus. I've read a few whispers on my occasional dip into video editing forums that .avi might be on its way out, but only a few and, even if it were, it'd be easy enough to convert them from .avi to a subsequent format (and certainly quicker than re-importing them from the original source tapes.) I'd go for it.

The only other "do" I'd recommend is to back everything up on a second hard-drive; For two hours a couple of months ago I thought i'd lost all the video of my daughter's first year. Turned out it wasn't lost, but the memory of that bowel-watering feeling will never leave me. Keep the back-up in another part of the house and direct everyone to it in case of a fire!

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DanP | 23 August 2011 - 12:14pm

I go to

If I ever have a conundrum like yours, the first thing I do is to head over to http://www.doom9.org/ for some plain(ish) English(ish) pointers and explanations.

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JohnW | 23 August 2011 - 1:33pm

Done loads of this lately

I'm currently working my way through 40+ years’ worth of home cini / video footage in an attempt to digitalise it before all the gadgets and formats they are currently held on disappear forever.

There's so much of it! I'm enjoying the editing process where I'm lifting key moments and creating films around specific themes (particular holiday, small children or significant event etc).

I'm using the excellent iMovie on the mac to do this which gives me all the facilities I need to combine video, stills and music soundtrack.

These days I simply use my iPhone to capture video and try to edit it fairly quickly so as not to add to the log jam of material I have building up for rainy day editing.

I spent about thirty quid on an adapter that fits most old video formats and transfers via usb to the mac. Hard disk space is the issue of course.

I'm saving and backing up my finished films in the iTunes format. My hope is that this will be transferable to wherever technology takes us next.

Once I have my finished versions I can happily then delete all the massive files that I collate as I go along.

In this throw away world we live in, I think it’s important to organise these valuable memories before it’s too late, and then hand them over to future generations. backing up becomes so so important of course. Where's that bloody cloud when I need it?

It is an incredibly time consuming hobby by the way!

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Martin Simmonds | 23 August 2011 - 2:03pm

Hi Martin

Do have a name for that adapter? It sounds useful, but being new to this I don't know what to google.
Thanks.

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JohnH | 23 August 2011 - 3:20pm

It was this kind of thing

Cant find the actual device I bought, but it was certainly along these lines. (I'll have a look from home later)

It did the trick nicely and converted all the files into quick time files which the mac and PC can work with.

Its a "video capture device" when you google. It connects up to the three audio video leads or scart connector on cameras and VCR's etc.

hope this helps!

http://www.climaxdigital.co.uk/USB-20-Video-Capture-for-MAC-and-Windows-...

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Martin Simmonds | 23 August 2011 - 4:47pm

Just checked

this is an updated version of what I bought a while back. Here's a few demo videos.

http://www.ezcap.tv/video-tutorials.html

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Martin Simmonds | 23 August 2011 - 10:08pm

Thank you.

Above and beyond, sir. You're a star. There's one in the pipes for you at the A&H.

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JohnH | 24 August 2011 - 12:56am

Thanks for the advice.

The general gist seems to be that .avi is either as good as, or better, than any other option. I'm going to see about doing a tape a week.

Also I'm intending to have my back ups in duplicates, just like my music collection. It might cost me a bit on additional hard drives but that's just the way it is.

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LOUDspeaker | 23 August 2011 - 2:12pm

I would do some more research

1. AVI is a pretty old format
2. As mentioned, it's a container format, not a file type.

There are more modern formats such as MPEG-4, which might have a longer shelf-life.

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Brookster | 23 August 2011 - 3:39pm

I don't know much about video formats

but even I know to be cautious with AVI files for the reasons mentioned by Brookster. I find that about 10% of AVI files I'm sent won't play and have to be converted to a 'proper' format first.

Personally I'd go with MP4 or QuickTime MOV

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stimpy | 5 October 2011 - 4:42pm

Whatever you do

Don't get Ralph Fiennes to do it.

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fedoraboy | 23 August 2011 - 11:08pm

Did my first tape yesterday.

Luckily it seems that standard definition is nothing to a semi-modern computer. It swallowed a 59 minute tape in one go while I multitasked by playing a resource hungry computer game at the same time. It didn't drop a single frame. I was expecting to have to dedicate the computer to the job, but now it seems I can do it in the background.

The resulting .avi file was 12Gb in size. Which is big, but not monstrous. I went with .avi as I've been using it for years and I'm comfortable with it, and I suspect it will be supported forever more even as a defunct legacy format. I just don't know anything about MPEG-4.

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LOUDspeaker | 25 August 2011 - 9:34am

FYI

I finished doing my tapes about two weeks ago. It swallowed something like 280Gb. Better safe than sorry. I can now rest easy. It was worth the effort. I managed to squeeze it onto my existing external hard drives so that was good. I've now got three copies of everything (on my computer, on my external hard drive that I keep beside my computer, and on another external hard drive that I keep off site).

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LOUDspeaker | 5 October 2011 - 4:29pm
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