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Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy - really don't get it .... still!
Posted by Steerpike on 9 October 2009 - 12:02pm.
With Eoin Colfer about to launch a sequel to Douglas Adams's fantasy, I am prepared to admit that I have never got what all the fuss was about with the whole Hitchhikers' thing. I know that I should get it - I am the right age, brought up on Monty Python ... but never have.
I followed the radio broadcasts, read the books, saw the TV series and have even seen the film and have to say that after all of that, I have come to the conclusion that I just don't get it. It just seems like schoolboy humour to me.
(I am also sure that I am about to be violently disagreed with by much of the Word Massive).
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I came to it via the books...
... and I just found the use of language funny. Sentences like "The spaceship hung in the air in exactly the same way that bricks don't" really made me laugh. Also the combination of serious and silly was a new one to me at the time (I was about eleven when I read it) and it really hit home.
Humor is beyond personal though. No amount of explanation is going to persuade anyone that something is funny if they don't think so.
Film
I will probably get slated, but the film is the best for me. Good choices in the casting. And instead of the book, it actually flows better as a storyline.
The film
for me was like hearing some great comic material done as karaoke. It was so difficult to shake off the original radio voices. Even the dated 80's TV series kicks its arse.
ah
But I wasn't alive then. So they all seem hideously dated. And not in a good way. Without the benefit of nostalgia, old sci-fi is just really badly made.
Sorry.
In defence of old sci-fi
It is the giants' shoulders on which all new sci-fi stands, surely?
Programmes like early Dr. Who, Hitchhiker's, Blake's Seven, 60s Star Trek - set the template for modern TV sci-fi. I really admire what they achieved (especially in Britain with very small budgets). To dismiss all that ingenuity and talent with a wave of the hand seems unfair. I saw Star Wars on the big screen aged 8 & it became a benchmark for production quality in my mind - I could see that my favourite TV shows weren't up to that standard, but they had other qualities - good storytelling being the chief one. It is storytelling, not nostalgia that sends me back to vintage sci-fi. Sometimes, it is worth it for the soundtracks alone - thanks to the pioneers at the Radiophonic Workshop.
The two things that most
The two things that most aggravated me were that 1) when they started to recount a cherished Adams H2G2 set-piece joke they stopped right before the ultimate pay off line (viz the book's account of the Babel Fish) and 2) about 20 or 30 minutes in they completely forgot about the book anyway - so no narrative excursions from the Guide for about the last two thirds of the whole film.
Hurmph.
I don't know about the Babel fish
which made the DVD, but chopping the Prosser conversation was just limp. No pay off lines about "locked in he bottom drawer of a filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'beware of the leopard'". Bum.
It would have added all of 20 seconds to the run time and would have nicely comlemented the whole Vogon thing, which was of course the original point. Way to go fellas
film
In the film's defence, however, anything missing from the book or radio series was done intentionally, as it was Douglas Adams himself who started the screenplay, although him dying sort of hampered him finishing the process.
And to respond to the other thing, I'm not saying they're worse than Spice Girls b-sides, but I am saying they look different without the benefit of nostalgia.
Because, much as I love the original star wars films, I will probably not love them as much as anyone who saw them when they first came out.
I sort of agree
some of the film is actually quite good. The Humma Kavula idea and the Vogsphere parts, which were added by Adams I liked a lot. The 'Hollywood' ending (which may also have been DNA's I was lees enamoured of). I just think that the two examples above seem like examples of rather heavy-handed editing and spoil the flow and punch of both the gags and narrative, so possibly weren't DNA's work.
And I liked liked Mos Def. First time I watched, I hated him. But second time, I got it and he did a pretty good job. Also, though I like Sam Rockwell, I was ambivalent about his Zaphod: good in parts, less good in others.
Rubbish editing - absolutely...
...all through the film there seem to be elements where 20 seconds has been shaved off and the pay-off line from one of DNA's flights of absurdity fails to reach the pay-off... Actually thinking about it, I think I was thinking about the Oolon Colluphid theology riff which cuts off too early, not Babel Fish. And yes, axing the much of the Prosser conversation... well...
No, I'd say that the problems with the film don't so much stem from DNA's rewriting of the story (again) but from Hammer and Tong's helming of the final product.
Sounds like you gave it a good try, Steerpike.
As an 8 year old THHGTTG was the first "grown-up" book I read.
I have loved all things DA since.
He invented the Internet, really. And Google. He saw all that coming, way before many other people.
A little electronic book I can carry in my pocket, with instant access to a vast store of information, you say? That's a neat idea...
It hasn't dated at all well
Not only is the technology of the titular book, with its one million pages, out-moded (anyone with an internet enabled phone will say, 'What? Only a million?') but I don't think we relate to Arthur Dent any more.
He was a particular type of fusty, tea-loving, never-comfortable-in-his-own-skin Englishman of a type which doesn't seem to be as common any more. I suppose the David Mitchell character in Peep Show is a closish equivalent, but I doubt he's be flattered by the comaparison, and that makes all the difference. No-one aspires to be like Dent, even if that's the character whom they most closely resemble.
This is a bit opf a ramble - but I know what I mean, even if nobody else is any the wiser.
"particular type of fusty, tea-loving, never-comfortable-in-his-
own-skin Englishman of a type which doesn't seem to be as common any more"
nope never met anyone like that! *kicks tea caddy under the chesterfield apologies to cat hiding there in the distance a kettle starts to whistle*
I agree
I found it hilarious when I was 10, but I don't find it funny at all any more. I seem to remember the sequels being increasingly poor as well.
The recent film was shite as well
I never got it either
and that goes for Blake's 7, Battlestar Galactica, Red Dwarf, in fact any sci-fi or fantasy series you care to mention.
That said, I do like Doctor Who, but only the ones set on Earth.
The nu Battlestar Gallactica
kicks 'The Wire's' arse
Steerpike I do admire
how much of a "go" you gave it did you not find anything to enjoy in your hours consuming DNA's work?
Well...
... I just kept thinking there must be more to this - I must be missing something. I just could not equate the fanatacism of so many of my mates.
(I don't give up on books I start reading either)
I *do* still think HHGTTG stands up
but that's just me. I prefer the original radio series best of all, but think his best novels were the two Dirk Gently books he wrote. The Hitchhiker novels were mostly about commericial expediency, while the DG books felt like something different.
I don't mind if others don't 'get it', whatever that might mean. And it's perfectly OK to say so. I, for instance, never managed to plough my way through Tolkien. All the trolls, elves, orcs and hobbits didn't engage me at all. And, as beautifully made as Peter Jackson's movies certainly are, they haven't encourged me to go back to the source texts at all.
Nebulous and The Spaceship
I wonder if THHGTTG killed off all radio sci fi comedy for years as nothing could live up to it?
I was very happy to discover the sci fi comedies "Nebulous" and "The Spaceship" on Radio 4/7 last year. Alas they're not being played at the moment, but there is a fan site from which a couple of episodes can be downloaded at fairly low quality:
http://nebulouscity.com/index.html
Casts include Mark Gatiss and James Fleet. The scripts have some wonderful sci fi concepts and are very witty.
I have to admit
to rather liking Nebuluous
Me too...
...Great game on the Atari ST
Hitchhiker's Guide: the crinkly bits
It might be schoolboy humour, but it's the best possible kind.
This is the most profound line in all schoolboy humour literature:
It is an important and popular fact that things are not always what they seem. For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.
Some people have said that HHGTTG now feels old-fashioned, but obsolescence and the speed of change in technology are themselves central themes. It doesn't take much to update and appreciate the "still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea" line. And it seems appropriate that the Guide itself contains a measly million entries and soon becomes mostly useless.
In the Guardian on Saturday a writer pointed to the many post-colonial aspects - including Arthur Dent's affronted stance when learning of just how puny his place in the universe is.
Here's another great line dealing with the meaninglessness of grand pomposity in a vast, complex and baffling universe:
For thousands more years the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across - which happened to be the Earth - where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog.
If you've heard the radio series, watched the TV series and seen the film and still don't like it, I wouldn't bother with it any more.
Unless you want to try the screensaver?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/screensaver.shtml
One of my favourite parts is
what is essentially the gazeteer section: The Universe - some facts to help you live in it, which then goes on to deconstruct population money, economics (see imports and expoerts) and sex.
The concept is not without its faults, that's true. Yes, it does sound like it's an assemblage of footlights sketches. According to DNA's notes in the scripts, they pretty much were. Yes, some aspect so Arthur Dent's character are a bit dated.
But. But. The themes of humanity's interaction with technology, and with each other are still just as vivid. There are huge amounts of content about bureaucracy and alientation from technology that, while being designed to make our lives easier, only makes our lives more stressful and frantic. And there's the guide itself, a device with finite (though large) offline storage, while having access to almost infinite information found it to be of variable and questionable quality pretty much prsages the web age. Adams wasn't the first of curse, becasue projects like Ted Nelson's Xanadu foresaw hypermedia, but probably elevated it to more rereifed academic levels. Almost as an afterthought, I think about the treatment of Zaphod Beeblebrox andcan't help but see the first glimpses of how modern 'celebrity' culture works.
THere are lots of reasons I still lov it. I also thing the radio series is the best, uneven as it may be at times.
I also envy anyone whose workplace has no trace of the B-ark
http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/THHGTTG/THHGTTGradio6.htm
(start at "Scene 6. Int. B Ark. Bridge" and the subsequent scene). As it happens I was prompted by BBC4s recent repeat of the Omnibus on Adams to rip the the whole 1988 CD release as Lossless onto my iPod/Bose headphones kit and have have been enjoying it greatly-probably last heard it in full c. 1980 as I had some tapes from the radio.
A few things struck me:
1. It's undeniably uneven, and apparently a lot was written semi-collectively under deadline pressure, with some parts due to John Lloyd. Bywater remarked in the BBC4 prog, re Adams' subsequent career as a novelist that there was no one more ill-suited to being on his own staring at a blank sheet of paper than DA.
2. The sound world is brilliant, and possibly remains his/their greatest achievement. The use of his/their musical tastes, particularly synthesiser music (Floyd, Tomita, etc) and the Eagles' Journey of the Sorceror,and great radio voices like Stephen Moore, Richard Vernon and Peter Jones, all lift it well above what it might have been.
In fact, like much 70s BBC sound, and the best classical and jazz recordings, it seems to me so good as to make the CD/LP debate entirely redundant, the CD carrier seems to me quite adequate to do justice to a good recording IF someone cares enough and has the time to do the transfer *properly* ... [though I accept voices, effects and background music may be more forgiving than foreground]
3. The bits that seemed profound to me as a teen, like the Man in the Shack who runs the universe, are less impressive nearly 30 years on (he was after all in his mid 20s)-but much of the satire on mankind's follies is if anything, prescient, c.f. the b-ark, man's relationship to technology, and the complaints dept of the Sirius Cybernetics Corp.
After all this was c 78 when the BBC now wants us to believe we all wore orange and couldn't envisage technology more comlicated than a Sinclair Cambridge or a record player ;-).
But one man's meat is another man's gravy, as my brother one memorably wrote, and your mileage may vary ...
i don't think DA gets the credit he deserves...
for either his intelligence or his themes (he's more regarded as "ooh funny robots, a man in a dressing gown, sci-fi and people with funny names"?)
much of what's been said above is true (the Dirk Gently books are better as books for instance, a young man's view on the meaning of life more than 30 years ago may not ring true these days, perhaps) ... but the central idea ('what's it all about then?') is still a valid question and seems all the more urgent after three decades of property bubbles, consumerism, and a national education strategy that seems geared to creating B Ark fodder for UK plc ... anyway, veering back to the point:
1. man created immortal gods because we needed them ... but when we didn't need them anymore they were discarded although they didn't go away, they just became derelicts who would gather around the gothic shell of the old St Pancras (before it became a shiny Eurostar terminal)
2. Schrodinger's Cat as a real experiment, and a woman who asks a detective to search for the missing back half of her cat [a real pity that never got finished]
3. an old lady looks out of an aircraft over london, sees two people making love in the clouds, and smiles at the idea that everything she ever thought she knew was wrong
4. the man who knows the meaning of life but laughs himself to death before he can tell anyone what it is (roughly speaking)
just because these ideas were wrapped up in comedy doesn't invalidate them as issues to explore ... [construction of that sentence last pants was, mmmm]
OR this is a writer who had some grasp of the implication of quantum physics and thereby deserves respect for his creations (moreso in my mind than yet more hampstead-lit navel gazing)...
Quantum Implications
> a writer who had some grasp of the implication of quantum physics
indeed-and evolution, so much so that Dawkins wrote him an admiring letter, and hence (via an Adams Party) met the present Mrs D.
Bywater, the prototype of Dirk G is due some of the credit imo, clearly an influence imo, and someone who also shared an interest in science well before it became fashionable again. I look forward to his book about their friendship
...and wasn't Bywater the original Bargepole?
yes indeed-he wrote Bargepole
I think Dirk G's hats and the harpsichord were drawn from life-have only met him once-at a reading he did-but one can see it ...
Just came across this taster for Bywater's book
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/09/douglas-the-universe-and-every...
Nice tribute here
from Terry Jones, who captures the moment when DNA realised quite what he had created:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and...
The radio series
I have the books. I've read them. I like them. Douglas Adams was an inspired and comic writer and thinker. Huge concepts illustrated by minute farces.
But I still think the original radio series format was the best version by far. The sound of it all. The way the comic ideas existed inside your own mind. The vocal performances were key. Peter Jones delivery as The Book was a vast part of its appeal. It's been mentioned before but whilst Adams plot, prose and gags remain funny the acting talent used to deploy them was vital. Valetine Dyall as the keeper of the Total Perspective Vortex - listen to that again. It's brilliant radio. John le Mesurier in the second series. Sinister yet very funny.
Radio gave these fantastic ideas the free-est rein. It was written for that medium and it was sublime.
I thought the TV version was bloody useless. Because you could see it, and 'it' was a shonky attempt to realise Adams gargantuan sense of scale. The radio series allowed you to imagine in any way you chose.
completely agreed
I bought and enjoyed the books but the radio was just right, esp the first 7 eps.
One of these days I'll catch up with again its Radiophonic non comic predecessor, the BBC Foundation Trilogy serialisation of the mid 70s which was another case of the canvas of the mind being far bigger on radio than tv.
Agreed...
The only part of the whole Hitch-Hikers industry that I have any time for is the original radio series (OK, and maybe the Infocom computer game.).
The books were increasingly desperate attempts to eke out the franchise and the subsequent radio series' are even desperater (!).
The record was simply pointless; the BBC TV series was a brave but doomed attempt; and I haven't even bothered to watch the film.
The ur-Hitch-Hikers radio recordings were a minor work of genius.
(Rant over)
Same as 'Star Wars', 'Red Dwarf' and the above
if you were born in '58 you just missed them all by a whisker.