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His Holiness David Beckham
So let me get this quite clear:
David Beckham is in his off season and needs to keep fit and so Tottenham say he can don a hideous light blue tracksuit and a hideous light blue woolly hat (both of which Beckham no doubt adores) and train with them in Chigwell.
OK so far.
I'd prefer to go for a pint in Theydon Bois rather than train with Tottenham in Chigwell but.....OK.
However, and this is the tricky bit, the media adopt the kind of coverage normally reserved for a disaster (human, as opposed to fashion), Tottenham don't actually want Beckham to 'play' for Tottenham and Tottenham PAY Beckham for Beckham using Tottenham's facilities.
Erm, that is the case, isn't it?
Now I used to go to the old Tottenham training ground, the wonderful Cheshunt (this, you understand, was when Tottenham was a football club and not a plc) and I just wonder what Arthur Rowe, Bill Nicholson or Danny Blanchflower would make of this three-ring circus?
And, anyway, after the failures (all Beckham-led) in 1998 (petulance), 2000 (group stage elimination), 2002 (injured), 2004 (petulance), 2006 (Gerry Cottle), 2008 (didn't qualify) and 2010 (injured and petulance), I thought that the media and the general public had all agreed that it was going to be different this time and that we'd endure no more of this tosh.
Where did it all go wrong?
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David Beckham?
Is that Romeo's Dad?
I think............
......there's more to this than currently in the public domain.....
Would that be the
same David Beckham who, allegedly, doesn't know his DNA from his dinner, as he put it to a puzzled FIFA counsellor - "football is in the Englishman's dinner".
Ye Olde English Football
Wouldn't Arthur Rowe probably utter, under his breath,
"You stupid boy.".
Was Arthur Rowe
the Japanese Captain Mainwaring?
I think it's shrewd business
From a football perspective
He can bring an insider's view on AC Milan who Spurs play in next round of Champions League
If he does end up playing in some games he can play an important role 10/15 minutes to go, helping ball retention and perhaps taking advantage of a dead ball situation
He can bring experience to an inexperienced team as they go into territory they have not been in before
He could be back for a longer term engagement next season and move into a coaching role
From a commercial perspective
He will increase Spurs profile
He will sell shirts
Spurs are a PLC. No turning the clock back
Aside from anything else, although the media circus that surrounds him is immense, he strikes me as down to earth and still has the respect of his fellow players and has not become a Billy Big Boots
Re: Your last point
I agree. I know a couple of people in the game and according to them nobody has a bad word to say about him.
Well, Ozmium, from an England perspective.....
.....with no formal coaching badges;
an abysmal record (about a 10% success rate) in the 15 or so 'must-win' games he's played for England;
and an emotional maturity that has moved on not a jot since his seventh birthday;
if David Beckham does have anything to do with the England set-up in the future (I don't care about Tottenham) no one should expect anything better than yet more mundane last eight or last sixteen appearances in Euro and World Cup Tournaments, if they qualify in the first place, and tepid defeats against the likes of Portugal, Sweden and/or America.
Beckham's involvement would virtually guarantee it.
10% success rate
Doesn't that apply to all the players, or are you suggesting that Beckham is entirely to blame for the failures?
Even so
1 man against 11 and winning one in ten is pretty impressive in my book.
Beckham
I find there's a lot of revisionism when it coems to Beckham. It's fashionable to pretend he was never any good, and to play up his deficiencies, but when he was in his pomp at Man United he was incredible - A force for club and country and one of the hardest working players I can remember.
Spot on
It winds me up when he is characterised as a rather limited hard worker. As you say, at United he was a really fantastic player for a good 5 or 6 seasons.
I know Youtube highlights can be deceptive but a quick Beckham search on it should convince doubters. He's obviously known for his free kicks but his goals from open play tended to be real outside-the-box crackers too.
Subtitle should be
How many haircuts can one man have?
Absolutely right
It seems to me that the two players who have performed the most consistently for England over the last decade are the two most often singled out for criticism: Beckham and Ashley Cole. Go figure.
Well...
I remember him beating Greece all by himself.
Was that the 2-2 draw...
at Old Trafford?
wink
I watched that
in Amsterdam.
Quite an hem hem 'emotional' afternoon
twitchy
wants him for a 12-18 month contract. As for Cheshunt you could just bowl up and play on the pitch afterwards. likewise at Mill Hill (3 days before the '91 cup final, fetching waywards balls for Ray Clemence.)
Credit where it's due
His free kick against Greece was a big part in England getting to the finals, even if he didn't. In 2006 he provided a 2 or 3 assists for goals and scored one in the second round. Not world class maybe, but better than "10% / abysmal". And in a comparison of emotional maturity, Beckham (if any of us are in a position to judge) seems better than many of his footballing peers.
I get the impression that Beckham doesn't know how or when to quit. He left the UK close to the top of his game and I'm struggling to see what he's got to gain by doing this.
Why do people get on Beckham's back?
I think he is trying to play the game he loves for as long as he can. Sir Stanley Matthews was revered for this approach. Beckham is derided as not knowing when to stop.
I think David Beckham's attitude to football is exemplary.
Disagree.
ever since he followed the money, understandable for the provision of the family, but at that point it stopped becoming about the football. He could have proved himself by moving to a middling club and helping to steer them to greatness but he followed the money to America where no one but Gillette gives a shit.
I think he made a mistake
I think he thinks it was a mistake but is actually doing the honourable thing and honouring the contract.
To do the honourable thing...
...would be to accept LA Galaxy's request not to go out on loan - understandable since Beckham got himself injured at Milan and missed several months as a result. And yet Landon Donovan, a great success for Everton last year, appears to have bowed to his club's will gracefully.
Good point
of course it depends on what was in his contract and what formed the basis of the deal, but it is a good point.
I think he is unjustly reviled
He could happily sit by his pool in LA doing nothing for a few months, yet he would rather come to freezing cold England just to be involved with the game in his time off.
By all accounts he is a model of professionalism in training, punctuality and respect for coaches.
He won his place back in the title winning Real Madrid side on merit - which is why Capello was so wedded to him.
He was an incredible player for Manchester United from 1999 until he left.
Remember what a national disaster it was when he broke his metatarsal in 2002?! He INVENTED metatarsals!
He's not one of the best players of all time, nowhere near. The clothes horse thing (I don't mean Victoria) sticks in the throat a bit. But he can look back on his career with considerable satisfaction I would have thought
Bet Beckham's a lager drinker n'all.........
Well, you're all very considerate and understanding and what a wonderful way to be in this new year.
However, I'm not.
For me, Beckham-mania has hampered the national team now for 15 years and it seems the country is ready to sleep-walk into the next 15 years with the same formula intact.
Repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again, unlike the English cricket team which took a hard look at itself following 2006/2007 and has come back looking world-beaters in the Test arena, the 50 over game and 20/20. Way to go!
Remember my opinion of 10% was for 'must-win' games.....
The 5-1 v. Germany was not a 'must-win' game.
Ditto the fabled and undeserved draw with Greece (a team, incidentally, who were so haunted by Beckham's free-kick that they won the Euros in 2004 beating Portugal, remember them?, twice!).
Both results lead to the rivals of our 'success' (Germany) reaching the final of the 2002 World Cup!!!!
Still, if you think the Beckham-saturated era of 1996-2010 was a successful era for the England football team here's to the next 15 years.
I'm going to a Ryman League game tonight to get the taste of over-paid and over-feted habitual losers out of my mouth!
"a successful era for the England football team"
Well,actually, I think the Errikson era of 2001 to 2006 - when Beckham was in his prime - was pretty respectable. Quarter final finishes in the major tournaments, which I'd say was about England's natural level in World football. To use a premier League analogy, in World football terms England are an "upper-mid table/ qualify for Europa in a good year" sort of outfit - the level Everton/ Villa/ Spurs have floated around in the last few years. There's no logical reason why anything more should be expected of them. Beckham led the team well, was a great player on a good day. A "habitual loser"? Well he's won a fair bit at club level and not winning a tournament is not quite the same thing as "losing" it, unless you want to brand thousands of top-level performers in every field of sport as "habitual losers"..
Ranger - your comments
are broad ranging and somewhat scattergun. The failure of England's football team is long established. To face the brutal truth, 1966 aside, England's record in major tournaments is pretty woeful for a senior footballing nation. To lay all the blame at Beckham's door seems a little harsh. He may exemplify some of the celebrity culture you allude to but I think as an example and as a whole-hearted trier for England he cannot be faulted, unlike some others of the so-called golden generation.
Anyway, he is joining Spurs, a club team - and not the national team -and as a club player, his record is very strong. I stand by my earlier comments that although there are some drawbacks, his presence at Spurs will be beneficial for them overall. It is possible that Ferguson, Capello and Redknapp have all been hoodwinked by his qualities but it is rather unlikely
Our National failure in 2010
had nothing to do with Beckham and more, much more, to do with Rooney, Terry, Gerrard and all the babies who couldnt put their differences to one side for a short tournament. Beckham has developed dignity and some poise since his petulance against Argentina. He was villified after that tournament but showed immense courage to regain the favour of the British public. Contrast this with Rooney who has completely lost his way, his footballing ability and sense of reality. Put simply Beckham is charming, Rooney is charmless. I agree that the move to Tottenham may be a media sideshow but but surely he is not to blame for that.
As far as media generated muppets are concerned, David Beckham
Isn't terrible. At his worst he's pretty harmless and silly, and his best he demonstrates a simple dignity and love for his family that these days has to be commended.
However, his fame and celebrity amongst my southern friends has always mystified me. He has been a good international standard footballer, but then so was Phil Neal, his record of success in big games is best described as "moderate" and the number of top trophies he's been part of winning - especially since leaving United - is modest.
Yest he'll probably end up a knight of the realm before he's 50. Why?
Do you mean
Phil Neville? Had me scratching my bonce with Phil Neal, Liverpool's finest.
Nah, definitely Phil Neal...
50 England Caps, 4 European Cups, 1 EUFA Cup, 8 English League Championships and 4 League Cups.
Now that is an impressive haul.
He also took an awful lot of penalties
and I don't recall him falling over on his arse while taking one...
The most astonishing thing
about Phil Neal is that he played 365 consecutive matches for Liverpool. 365! No rotation in those days.
Agreed
Very good football player, made best use of his talents but was severely hampered by his lack of pace and dribbling skills...
Go back to 1999 when us Jocks played Engurland in a double header to qualify for Euro 2000, that cannie old fox Craig Broon pushed journeyman, but speedy, wing back Calum Davidson up tight and beyond Beckham. Beckham did not have the skills or speed to go past Davidson and indeed spent most of both games tracking back Davidson's runs forward. Result? Beckham was a non factor in both games.
Go on, ask yourself, if it was a straight choice between Beckham and Giggs for your team, who would you choose? Only one correct decision there to make, methinks.
Now we all know that "Becks" is a good egg, that is a given, but a Lifetime Achievement Award from the BBC? WTF? Now there's talk of a knighthood? For what exactly?
Meanwhile
Thierry Henry begins training in his off season with Arsenal with no media scrum.
If we are entirely honest
Isn't what we find 'difficult' about David Beckham more to do with the fashion, the underwear modelling, the plucked eyebrows and Victoria.
I know it is with me.
Jack of one trade
He's always been very, very good at one thing: kicking a football and getting it to go where he wants it to end up. He could also run up and down and back again with the best of them. And that, basically is it. Being in the right place at the right time himself, or intuiting where his teammates could, should or would be - what is generally called "vision" - has never been his strong suit.
Even at Real Madrid, for example, he was nowhere near as effective (or appreciated) as Steve McManaman, and putting his importance to Manchester United on a par with that of Paul Scholes or Ryan Giggs is surely more than a little exaggerated.
I don't doubt that he's a generally good egg, and - in the latter period of his career at least - a credit to the sport and all that, but Beckham has never been a mover and shaker on the pitch to the extent that he's a major brand off it. Let's be honest here: if he'd married some anonymous WAG instead of the most hyperambitious Spice Girl, would we even know - much less care - what he's doing these days?
There we have it Ladies and Gentlemen
Even at Real Madrid, for example, he was nowhere near as effective (or appreciated) as Steve McManaman, and putting his importance to Manchester United on a par with that of Paul Scholes or Ryan Giggs is surely more than a little exaggerated.
Accurate, and surely debate ending. "Not as effective as Steve McManaman"
Steve McManamanamanamanaman
He was genuinely loved at Madrid. Fan's player of the year twice, and a huge part of the team's run at the Champions League in 2000. Thinking about it, he might just be the most successful English export ever, and not just for medals - he learned the language, loved the city, and threw himself into the lifestyle in a manner most unlike an English footballer.
Two words
John Charles.
Fair enough
Never won the European Cup, though.
And he might not
have liked to be descibed as "English"...
And
that.
I've been done
twice. Once for my stupidity and once on a technicality. He is still the best British player to ever grace a European team though.
Staying Power
The problem with the Brits is they go over there and are surprised to find it's like playing in another country. John Aldridge scored 40 goals in 63 games for Real Sociedad. If he'd stayed a bit longer he could have gone from "great" to "legend".
Apart from his obvious class as a player, Charles was able to settle at Juventus and, as you rightly suggest, became a legend there.
A fine point well made Archie...(can I call you Archie?)
But I'd raise another regarding whether anyone really does care about Posh'n Becks? Is there really a consituencyout there in the hinterland of Blighty who buy/read/follow/tattoo based on the Beckhams? Nothing they do seems to be big sellers or that successful.
I suspect that the whole thing is a metropolitan media confection that no-one really gives a toss about.
Bobby Moore and George Best may well be revolving in the afterlife at the news,but far worse charlatans than the boy Beckham have been knighted
Becks
Oh, he's a proper star all right. If you go to Wembley for an England game when he's in the squad, the reaction if he comes on is simply extraordinary. He'll take a corner and suddenly, from all over the stadium, the flashbulbs fire. Thousands of them. At once. It's amazing.
My utter contempt for Beckham and his pathetic generation......
.....has gone up another couple of hundred notches.
While he earns money for doing nothing but 'train' at Tottenham, Leyton FC (founded 1868, two FA Amateur Cups, second oldest club in London) have been suspended from the Ryman League for falling behind in their subscription payments.....presumably the kind of amount that rubbish Beckham makes in a minute (genuinely).
Oh, and Wayne Bridge is going to be on £90,000 a week at timid little, Bobby-Moore-must-be-turning-in-his-grave, West Ham.
England.....2011.....you can have it.....if you're not on this gravy train, you should be attacking, not defending, it.
I though some of you guys were punks!!!!!
P.S. One of the comment above describe my Beckham stuff as 'scattergun'. Beckham and England have been total shit for 15 years.....what's 'scattergun' about that?
In the words of Jim Royle, 'Last eight, my arse'.
Leyton suspended?
Seriously? I'm supposed to be seeing them play Harlow Town on Tuesday.
I suspect Bobby Moore would be spinning ...
Even quicker at the thought of the Hammers paying Wayne Bridge £90K a week. Not his fault English football has gone tonto.