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Help me with Half Man Half Biscuit

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Half Man Half Biscuit is often mentioned by The Massive. Since I´m not familiar at all with them/him (it´s a him, isn´t it?) but trust the seemingly impeccable taste of you, dear fellow Worders, I can´t help but getting curious. So, where should I start?

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This is the very question

I was considering posting.

Have got 'Back In The DHSS' which I understand to be just about the best place to start, but for the sake of both of us:
Where do we go now?

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Rigid Digit | 14 February 2010 - 9:42pm

It's a them

Nigel Blackwell is the mainman, but they are a band. As for recommendations, I'm not the man to ask. I've only got Trouble Over Bridgwater. I chose it on the strength of it's title!

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Spartacus Mills | 14 February 2010 - 10:03pm

Probably doesn't age well

because of the cultural references. If you don't know Trumpton or Dickie Davies, or if you don't like football, then it probably isn't for you to be honest.

Have a bash at this.


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Jed Clampett | 14 February 2010 - 10:14pm

I don't think it's just age that'll limit the appeal...

....if you haven't got the sort of upbringing (and the many hours of exposure to 70s UK TV and sport) where you would know who Len Ganley is and why he has a stance, or who Fred Titmuss is, it's likely to go over your head. Maybe that's just me being unfair though.

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Harold Holt | 15 February 2010 - 2:56am

CSI Ambleside - which they

CSI Ambleside - which they released in 2008 - is as good a place as any. The cultural references are more up to date and the production is nice and clear so you can hear the lyrics (always important for HMHB). Their earlier stuff sounds a bit tinny to the modern ear.

You can get most of their albums on eMusic. If you take advantage of an eMusic introductory offer then you can get them for next to nowt.

Enjoy.

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eddie | 14 February 2010 - 10:29pm

I saw a poster today.

..advertising a 'HOSPICE QUIZ NIGHT'. It sounded like the best HMHB song title there never was.

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Prestonia | 14 February 2010 - 10:34pm
uproar13 | 14 February 2010 - 10:34pm

Cammell Laird Social Club

has the best tunes

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Simon Ford | 14 February 2010 - 10:38pm

The later ones are better value production-wise

They're all good and as Nigel remarked in a recent WORD interview the songs have become more bitter as time has progressed. For me, my favourite is "This Leaden Pall" which includes the classic "Running Order Squabble Fest". The site below contains all the lyrical references that the songs make and can be quite useful to the neophyte!
http://cobweb.businesscollaborator.com/hmhb/

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Grant | 14 February 2010 - 10:50pm

Desperately want to quote

Desperately want to quote the pay off line to ROSF but it would jut spoil it for those unfortunates not to have heard it.

The 'walk in bath' line from Blue Badge Abuser is another favourite of mine.

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eddie | 14 February 2010 - 10:54pm

My favourite single one liner

comes in Some Call It Godcore's Tour Jacket With Detachable Sleeves, where the song's protagonist is watching a Focus tribute band with his girlfriend. When I first heard it I (rather painfully) blew Diet Coke out through my nose.

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illuminatus | 14 February 2010 - 10:58pm

I'm a fairly big fan so...

Eseentials:

Back In The DHSS - if you have any memory of the 80's this will still hit home. Never mind the ramshackle playing and the strictly demo lack of fi, it's a riot

This Leaden Pall - probably the bleakest album, containing the most overtly political thing they have ever done (Turned On, clocked On, Laid Off). However, it also contains Running Order Squabble Fest and Improv Worskhop Mimeshow Gobshite

Trouble Over Bridgewater - provides 24 Hour Garage People and the ultimate rebuff to Nick Drake wannabes (Used To Be In Evil Gazebo)

CSI Ambleside - chock full of interesting lyrical flights like National Shite Day and Blue Badge Abuser and the slightly tangential (but great) Took Problem Chimp To The Ideal Home Show.

Four Lads Who Shook The Wirral - if only for the deliriously good A Country Practice, including the song lyric that inspired the name of my insipid blog.

Cammell Laird Social Club - The Referee's Alphabet and Breaking News - genius. I know that 'genius' gets overused, but this really is. Kershaw's right, it really is true modern day folk music. It also happens to be hilarious.

All of the rest (and there are several) are worth a listen, though I happen to think Some Call It Godcore is their weakest album overall, superb final track notwithstanding.

All this said, if you are looking for virtuoso muso playing, this ain't the place, though they have got markedly better over the years and picked up a variety of interesting influences (including old gospel and Leadbelly and Woody Guthrie). I lent a Zappa fan mate some a long while back and he was a bit disappointed. The lyrics are the thing.

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illuminatus | 14 February 2010 - 11:05pm

hmhb

I would agree that Godcore is probably their weakest album. Even though it gets off to a stonking start with Sensitive Outsider. But all 12 of their albums have moments of true brilliance. The last three albums – Cammell Laird Social Club, Achtung Bono and CSI Ambleside are arguably their strongest and best produced sets. But once you've snapped up these you'll want to delve deeper into the weird psyche of Nigel Blackwell and end up buying the lot. Wish I was in that position again – knowing the sonic pleasure that lay ahead of me. I can guarantee that EVERY song has at least one line (though it's usually dozens) that'll live in your brain for ever. ENJOY!

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Stephen Hope | 14 February 2010 - 11:18pm

Agree that the most recent is the strongest

And that's having been on board since seeing Dickie Davies' Eyes on the Chart Show...

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spt | 14 February 2010 - 11:30pm

Best songs

Bad review (from Voyage to the bottom of the road LP)
Breaking news (from Cammell Laird Social Club)
Camra man (from Voyage to the bottom of the road)
Even men with steel hearts (from Some call it godcore)
Friday night and the gates are low (from Some call it godcore)
Improv Workshop Mimeshow Gobshite (from This Leaden pall)
Paintball's coming home (from Voyage to the bottom of the road)
The referee's alphabet (from Cammell Laird Social Club)
Tonight Matthew I'm going to be with Jesus (from Voyage to the bottom of the road)
Twenty four hour garage people (from Trouble over Bridgewater)

There are no stand-out LPs but Trouble over Bridgewater and Cammell Laird Social Club come close.

The Half Man Half Biscuit Lyrics Project is a great source for lyrics and gig recordings

http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/

But I'd go and see them live - you won't be disappointed.

(Does anyone know why they don't release any live LPs?)

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Olthwaite | 14 February 2010 - 11:47pm

Best songs?

God, that's hard! I'd need to give that some serious thought.

I never, ever tire of 99% Of Gargoyles Look Like Bob Todd, though. Even though anyone under 30 probably doesn't have clue who Bob Todd was, more's the pity.

The young people of today, etc. etc.

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illuminatus | 15 February 2010 - 12:09am

joy division oven gloves

always has us bouncing around the kitchen when we are cooking on a Saturday nigh!

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Bingham | 16 February 2010 - 8:18pm

They call me Jaap Stam...that's not my name

If you're coming to HMHB cold, and want one album for starters, I'd recommend Achtung Bono(2005). Some of their best tunes, and as someone else pointed out, for the most part the cultural references will be more recent and less obscure...or not, it usually requires an extensive knowledge of music, sport, Welsh hills, and much else besides to get them all first time. Anyway, if you miss one, fuller explanations can always be found at http://cobweb.businesscollaborator.com/hmhb/index.htm

That said, I don't think there's any album that's a terrible place to start. It's not as if there's one which is utterly atypical, so if you like one, you'll almost certainly like any.

Also, if you ever get the chance to see them live, take it. It's worth it not just for the music, but the - often surreal - extras, which will usually include a discourse from Nigel on obscure local history, shout outs to an unlikely range of celebs ("Cornelius Lysaght in the house"), tales of the improbable things the band encountered on their journey to the gig, and the now virtually theatrical setting for Twenty Four Hour Garage People.

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Topical Tim | 15 February 2010 - 12:41am

The advantage of the recent ones

is not so much that the references are less obscure. It's that you know they're obscure on purpose rather than just rendered so by distance...

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spt | 15 February 2010 - 2:47pm

They'e a band who..

..supply absolutely genius song titles, which the tunes invairably fail to live up to.

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shane pacey | 15 February 2010 - 2:58am

It occurs to me reading thid

In a similar way to Nick Hornby opening the door to the modern obsession with, ahem, footie; did HMHB plant the acorn that the great shitty oak of the nostalgia industry grew from? When they first surfaced it wasn't really done to hark back to toys, TV and the mundane details of the past - yet now...

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spt | 15 February 2010 - 10:44am

Freebies

They usually have a selection of sessions that you can download on the website, which is a good place to start - particularly the Andy Kershaw one. But I'd say try Vatican Broadside - it's only 30 seconds and if you don't laugh outloud HMHB are probably not for you.

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paulwright | 15 February 2010 - 9:59am

I just did a search for "HMHB"

and came up with the "National Healthy Mothers Healthy Babies Coalition (HMHB)" web site. Sounds like new material to me.

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Harold Holt | 15 February 2010 - 10:37am

Start at the end and work backwards

With CSI Ambleside, Achtung Bono and Cammell Laird as suggested by others above.

I would also suggest dipping your toe in the water with the 'Saucy Haulage Ballads' ep - there you will find my favourite HMHB ditty - "Tending The Wrong Grave for Twenty Three Years"

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Paul Waring | 15 February 2010 - 11:08am

Cheers For The Recommendations

That's the Wish List updated, and now a sonn to be reduced Bank Account!

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Rigid Digit | 15 February 2010 - 9:30pm

The Peel Sessions

Are also a good introduction, roughly 40 or so songs covering all of the albums up to Achtung Bono. There's a link to them from the HMHB website.

Looking at the list above of "favourite songs" that someone else posted, my reaction was that none of those would be in my list. That's the thing - everyone has their own top 10. For example, no-one has mentioned "The Ballad of Climie Fisher" which reduced me to tears of laughter when I first heard it (I cannot now see a lorry containing mixed aggregate without smiling)

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Humphrey Plugg | 15 February 2010 - 10:32pm

This is the HMHB primer I

This is the HMHB primer I put together for a friend, covering pretty much their whole career:

I Hate Nerys Hughes
The Bastard Son Of Dean Friedman
Trumpton Riots
27 Yards Of Dental Floss
Everything's AOR
Faithlift
Paintball's Coming Home
San Antonio Foam Party
The Light At The End Of The Tunnel (Is The Light Of An Oncoming Train)
Tonight, Matthew, I'm Going To Be With Jesus
Twenty Four Hour Garage People
Uffington Wassail
The Best Things In Life
A Country Practice
Turn A Blind Eye
You're Hard
Vatican Broadside
Lock Up Your Mountain Bikes
Bob Wilson, Anchorman
Bad Losers On Yahoo Chess
Paradise Lost (You're The Reason Why)
Totnes Bickering Fair
She's In Broadstairs
Surging Out Of Convalescence
Gubba Look-a-likes

If I was going to pick a single album for a Biscuits novice, though, I'd say Cammell Laird Social Club. If that doesn't do anything for you, I doubt anything else will.

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Splonko | 15 February 2010 - 10:42pm

Half Opionated Half Not Weather Caster (but Alvin Stardust alias

The usual Stump liking, Evening Session frequenting concensus that HMHB ceased trading after the impressively under-titled `Back Again In The DHSS` (or indeed, BITDHSS again...for pedants) is a Phil Cool-esque irritant.

"Shane Pacey is a misinformed opinionated weatherman" is HMHB`s most obscure (therefore best) song (and undisputed best title (for the benefit of a man whose moniker suggests he is the afro-ed bassist in Napalm Death; a band with titles who last longer than their songs))

Titles better than their music, Shane? Canard. As in `you should be slapped with a wet fish far` Canard.

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Simon Smith | 16 February 2010 - 10:54pm

HMHB Map

There's a map of places mentioned in their lyrics here :

http://tinyurl.com/hmhbmap

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el hombre malo | 17 February 2010 - 8:14am
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