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HELP! How do you and your partner decide what music to listen to in the car?
At the weekend Mrs Jung and I had a blazing and ultimately very serious row over what music to listen to in the car whilst travelling on a long journey. We both had our iPODs with us and have a lead that allows them to play through the stereo. So we had thousands of songs to choose from, but my playing of It's Immaterial's Driving Away From Home, followed by her playing Moby, and some childish behaviour by both parties, caused our worst row ever.
We have fairly different taste - we dislike a lot of the same bands - but can't agree whether too choose something we both like (assuming we can find such a thing) or think the other might like (which is what I generally try to do, but apparently failed miserably at) or if one of us should choose what they want to play (hence Moby, prededed by Rsdiohead's recent album) and the other should lump it (I hate some of the Moby tracks). Or just travel in mutually resentful silence or listen to the radio where they are unlikely to playmuch either of us likes.
Today we travelled in silence - I didn't even dare broach the subject. Any advice appreciated.
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It's like England vs. Germany (y'know,
22 men kick a ball around and then Germany win.) We talk about what to play and then Mrs. F puts on whatever she fancies.
Spoken word
We tend to go for podcasts on long journeys to avoid such rows...
But ...
... who chooses which podcasts to play?
Fortunately
We're broadly agreed on the podcast front - Word, Radio 4's Friday Night Comedy, Kermode & Mayo's film review, one of Kevin Smith's many podcasts. As long as I don't put one of the techy podcasts I listen to on, we're fine.
The FPO and I
Rarely agree on music so generally don't play it in the car. On our last long journey we listened to some Word podcasts and found we agreed on something: CW Stoneking is unlistenable.
Puts the up arrows issue into perspective
Golly.
You might want to read 'A Couple of Hamburgers' by James Thurber.
single man
Whatever I feckin' feel like!
The Neffilim (not Fields of the Nephilim, although they are related) at the mo.
You lucky get!
The GLW and I have massively divergent tastes in music and so do all 3 kids meaning a 450 mile trip we have lined up is to be regarded with horror. I like pretty much the standard stuff for a Word reader but my better half likes Paul Potts, Meatloaf and Beverly Craven among other horrors.
I generally let her have the controls and pray for her to nod off so I can put Radio 4 on quietly. Probably doesn't help your problem but there's always some one worse off.
Good luck
Let the kids
Choose
The kids
The kids listen to their own iPODs on headphones.
It starts like that...
... then their CDs seem to migrate to the front... Postman Pat, Bob the Builder, Zing & the Zillas, Pixar. None sound like Marillion or Pixies or even the HJH.
... then their CDs seem to
... then their CDs seem to migrate to the front... Postman Pat, Bob the Builder, Zing & the Zillas, Pixar. None sound like Marillion or Pixies or even the HJH.
... then their CDs seem to
... then their CDs seem to migrate to the front... Postman Pat, Bob the Builder, Zing & the Zillas, Pixar. None sound like Marillion or Pixies or even the HJH.
... then their CDs seem to
... then their CDs seem to migrate to the front... Postman Pat, Bob the Builder, Zing & the Zillas, Pixar. None sound like Marillion or Pixies or even the HJH.
Four kids, have you?
In our car it's driver chooses. Hence I do a lot of the driving.
That must be difficult
what with you having four kids, George.
Jinx!
Great minds, Skirky, and all that...
Rotation
The four of us choose two tracks each in rotation, from any of the three iPods in the family. There are only two and a half rules:
1. You can choose whatever you like and both tracks are played in full, unless the chooser decides to finish them early.
2. No complaining about other people's choices.
2½. The driver can adjust the volume if required, by fading the sound from the front speakers to the back.
Seems to work for us.
Driver decides here...
Although it's permissible for pssenger to use an iPod.
But
But if the passenger is using an IPOD, doesn't that seem rather rude as if the driver is merely a chauffeur? No way would I get away with that; it was move to unravel my headphone wires to listen to something other than Moby that ultimately kicked it all off. "It all" involving 15 years of her apparently suffering my music (mostly chosen to please both our tastes but she thought I was just playing what I wanted to) when we've driven in my car; this holiday we've taken her car, so she seemingly feels entitled to some sort of revenge, my refusal to apologise and her getting out of the car at traffic lights and refusing to get back in for half an hour, whilst the kids cried in the back. I've had better holidays I can tell you.
On a long trip
Driving gets split.
Driver's choice. Although we have an agreed"over my dead body list" (*waves buhbye to Greg Dulli*)
I even went to the extent of creating a playlist of what I consider to be mutually acceptable tracks.
The biggest disappointment of my life over here? Dad hates the Word podcast. I couldn't drive a long distance without it. Words were exchanged. We compromised on Desert Island Discs.
Yep...
Driver decides as you should never be pissed off at having to listen to drivel whilst in control of a car.
This
Driver's choice in the Vandelay automobile too.
Tough one
Has also been the cause of a number of rows between Mrs dai and myself. The easy answer is let her choose. I used to say the driver should choose, and now she does pretty much all the driving.
Otherwise agree on a radio station and try to stick to it.
One word
Radio.
Same in our car.
Radio 2 most of the time.
Problems start if we're in Mrs L's vehicle. DAB radio installed. "No we're not listening to Five bloody Live or Planet Rock all the way to mother's!"
Absolute 80s or 90s seems to be the compromise.
The third way ...
Each of you load 100 tracks onto a neutral ipod and put it on shuffle. Hey presto! Everybody's equally dissatisfied.
(The bill's in the post)
Bearing in mind your moniker...
you should both be listening to Synchronicity by the Police. It works on so many levels.
Another driver's choice
We driving is split fairly equitably, so the passenger changes the CDs while the driver chooses. We have fairly disparate tastes, but a pretty large overlap.
But there's agreement that I won't play Julian Cope and she won't play Eagles.
Ottawan
My Wife and two and a half year old daughter are currently into playing and singing 'Hands up, baby, hands up, give me your love, give me give me your love, give me give me' over and over again while we're in the car. The consequence is I can't get the bastard song out of my head - it keeps repeating on me like indigestion .... It's driving me NUTS
The volume control
is the biggest issue in the car. I like to crank it up but am usually forced to accept a mere whisper by the self-styled Environmental Health Officer sitting next to me.
I have had more than the odd tussle over who gets to twiddle the knob but it usually ends in defeat and pursed lips :-{)
Yep, as Leedsboy says, Put the Radio on!
It's great! You let the DJ choose and then there are no arguments (except about which station to tune into).
I recall with great fondness this time of year when we would be on some seemingly epic journey (probably only a few hours to the North Yorkshire coast or over to North Wales) with Radio 1 on. We'd be gripped by DLT doing Snooker on the radio (quack quack oops) and throughout the day would be an ideal mix of the 80s sunshiney chart fodder of the day, plus Steve Wright or Peeder Powells bizarre choice of 70s Yacht Rock, a bit of Steely Dan and some 60s oldies which..say what you like about the old dinosaurs of 275 & 285...was perfect holiday listening in an Austin Allegro.
My musical education took place...
listening to Radio 1 in the mid to late 1970s lying under a blanket on the back seat of my parents' car on the way to Wales from London. I would hear all kinds of things... disco, country, novelty records, rock n' roll, new wave, The Smurfs... it was great. Occasionally a tune would stand out from the rest and I'd really start to pay attention... I remember Roxanne by The Police having that effect on me.
275 / 285 - not nearly as bad as it's often made out to be.
Nurse! The screens!
We can make the speakers work in the back of the car only, so the kids get their choices and we can chat or sleep at the front while they listen to whatever-it-is.
Recently it's been a brilliant CD with Badjelly the Witch and a few other Spike Milligan songs and poems. This CD includes an item where Spike sings in the style of an impossibly frail old man, in the throes of a rupture. I love it, but my 5-year-old finds it scary.
'we can chat or sleep at the front'
Crikey! Let me know if you are ever driving around Suffolk so that I can stay off the roads!
Yeah, well
Cars these days are so clever they can just about drive themselves.
I play...
Whatever The lovely Carol tells me I am allowed to play.
Spoken word is the way forward
When my kids were younger something like Harry Potter made a long journey fly by. These days they all have their own entertainment, but Mssrs Kermode and Mayo's Wittertainment always gets alisten and a debate. Other than that our friend Steven C's Third Way above seems reasonable
Driver's choice...
... unless I'm in the passenger seat!
Mrs Pedro
& I share pretty much the same taste. Our first conversation at a party 25 years ago was about music so we have it in common, can't imagine it any other way. The car is a place where the volume is cranked up & the ipod does the choosin'. Of course any prog or Steely Dan gets skipped.
Had to check...
...if you were me for a minute there Pedro. My wife and I have very similar tastes but she also doesn't get the genius of steely dan!
Reading this thread has made me feel like a lucky, lucky man.
Meeting halfway
Whereas I have learned to love the Dan and even their covers band.
He in his turn has learned at least to tolerate Arcade Fire.
Some of you lot make me understand the Balkans, N Ireland and the Middle East (pedantry alert: as I am constantly being told, actually The Near East).
I'm staggered...
...at the number of you that actually have any say in all this!
We listen to what Mrs W says we should listen to.
Usually nothing, or George Michael.
VERY occasionally she'll say - 'Do you want to listen to some of your music?' followed within, at most, ninety seconds by, 'Can we turn this off now?'
It works for us.
"Nothing, or George Michael"...
I'd stick to "nothing" if I were you.
Ahh
That the reason you get to festivals on your own! Its the Quid Pro Quo! (before you go go!)
That's pretty much how it works...
...music is something I do, with (other) family and friends. The fact I get a passout for two (and no more) festivals a year, plus my own 'den' at home which houses all the music stuff, more than compensates for the odd silent car journey. And all the other stuff I have to put up with.
'What is this we're listening to, exactly?'...
...the most chilling sentence in the English language.
Is it okay if I turn the sound down...
...i've got a headache. Possibly more polite, but generally leads me to turn it off totally, getting the message.
As has been said elsewhere, i feel lucky in comparison, I know what Mrs K can handle in general, and sometimes she likes to be challenged. I needs be I have a Mrs K playlist of things I know that she chooses for herself or has expressed what seems to be pleasurable responses).
The trouble will come as the 7 month year old gets older. My brother has a 3 year old and she wants to hear cd's of train stories all the time, drives him to distraction and means he can't try and get his head around why Tom Vek got such a good review. I've managed to find some pretty offbeat and fun nursery cd's which are enjoyable, and i've just seen that They Might Be Giants have done 3 v.good kids albums (apparently).
Oh the trepidation.
If we're in her car she chooses. I never say a word about the music, the car, the air-con, the radio reception or her driving (which is always better than mine, natch). In my car I will usually have taken time to construct a mutually acceptable playlist interspersed with a few new things that I think she might like. I have done this kind of thing since I used to send her cassettes when we were first going out. Until then she had never heard of James Taylor, Paul Brady, Bruce Springsteen etc, people who are now her favourite singers. But there will always be one track that kicks her off. "Who's this?" "Nick Drake, English singer-songwriter. Died young and penniless." I volunteer, helpfully. "Oh god, another slit your wrist merchant." comes the reply. And I get the raving hump. Then it'll be the car, the radio reception, I'm driving too fast, the sat-nav...everything. I spend 3 hours a day in my car. I do 900 miles a week in my car just getting to work. I love my car.
Thanks. Same time next week? I'll pay on the way out.
My iPod
has every thing on it (everything we own, that is, not everything ever recorded) so our solution is to use my iPod and have it on shuffle. Skipping is not allowed so it's up to fate (or Apple's algorithmic randomness) what we listen to. We may not necessarily have chosen what comes up but most tracks are only a few minutes long so pretty much anything can be tolerated.
Yes
Always works for us, and it's nice not knowing what's coming up next
Long journeys
Choosing the music isn't an issue, although if we travel during the week I am forced to listen to Jeremy Kyle. The other week the subject was how much water to drink each day. "And on air next a man who hasn't drank water for 30 years !!, that's right not a drop has passed his lips for 30 years. So what do you drink then?". " I drink nothing but tea during the day and I have a couple of bottles of beer each night".
Anyway, I digress. On long journeys the main problem is that when MrsD is driving I have to maintain a steady flow of interesting conversation to keep her alert but when I'm driving she buys a magazine which she reads until she falls asleep.
Jeremy Kyle
Do you mean Jeremy Vine?
Quite possibly
as I don't really know who either of them are. The programme is on Radio 2 at lunchtime. It is only on the rare occasion we are in the car together on a weekday lunchtime that I've ever listened to it. It's awful.
Radio 2
Then it is Jeremy Vine. Jeremy Kyle hosts a morning chat show on ITV. He's more likely to have a bloke on who hasn't drunk water for 30 years *and* knocks his missus about.
Thanks for pointing out
something else to avoid...
Vile Vine
Indeed, Vine in Radio 2 lunchtime mode is excruciating. Enough to make me vote for "no radio" at work almost. I can just about suffer "Dancing Queen" being played daily on the brainless Radio 2 playlist, but vine (and tarrant if he is guesting) takes the biscuit.
My last suggestion on this.
Let her pick on the next long trip. It would certainly be better than a heated debate.*
* not if she picks Witney Houston though.
I decide
She reads.
I put a sign on the stereo
that says 'every time you put Heart FM on, a kitten dies'
In the car, it's usually children choose - which means the Magic of Disney (by far my most listened to album of all time I think). If the children are asleep, it's driver chooses.
Disney
"Look at this stuff...isn't it sweet? Wouldn't you think my collection's complete?"
I know the whole Disney Princess CD off by heart. My daughter always chooses the music.
The worst was one Christmas when she got into Merry Xmas Everyone by Shakin' Stevens and just wanted it on repeat for about six weeks.
Now she likes some half-decent pop music (Rihanna, Katy Perry...etc) so it's quite good.
Ha ha
I am very familiar with that Mermaid song.
It's like stockholm syndrome though, I have become quite fond of some of them. Like this, for some reason.
Great song. The Enchanted
Great song. The Enchanted soundtrack is a bit of a favourite of mine actually, and I don't have kids yet!
It's easy...
I own the car.
I have the driving licence.
I mostly choose.
We do like a lot of the same stuff though, so I try and choose things we're both happy with and I do let the FPO choose quite often. There's no point putting something on one of us doesn't like. We often play whoever we're going to see in the near future, as we usually have tickets for a few things coming up.
Wow
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions; what a downtrodden bunch we men are.
In the short term I'll ask her if she'd like to choose the music, in the longer term I'll ask her if she'd like to choose the music. After 10 years I might suggest the mutual 200 track playlist idea.
You could...
Leave some sort of magazine/catalogue about shoes in the glove box. It might just distract her long enough for you to get through half an album unnoticed.
*Awaits backlash :)*
Not even a chuckle
I'm losing my touch.
We have similar tastes...
...so there isn't too much friction. There are a few banned albums that would only cause bad feeling - I can't stand Jack Johnson, so he's out; She doesn't like the Manics so they're gone too - but in the main we tolerate each other's tastes.
The only time it falls apart is if my wife puts on one of her albums while I'm driving then falls asleep. Me, on a motorway, with Will Young blaring out and no one else to distract me isn't a recipe for safe travel.
A-Z
Who ever is not driving operates the iPod.
They then DJ track by track on an A-Z theme. A track from an artist / album beginning with A, then B etc. or even just song titles. They have the duration of the current track to find the one to play the next.
This works well until the little one gets ansy, we turn the iPod off and my wife sings "the wheels on the bus".
Talk about a minefield
Tomorrows job is to make a 2-3 hour playlist of everyones faves to cover the journey to the seaside at the weekend as we all share an Ipod. Mrs C isn't too hard to please as long as my choices are ones that have charted plus to be fair she has a reasonable taste in music. Its the kids who are hardest to please. Since Number 1 started dance lessons she listens to some reasonable chart music (although i never thought I would ever download Ice ice baby) and you have to spend a few weeks gently educating her - cant be many 5 year olds requesting Prodigy's voodoo people or Song2. eventually some of her choices become ones you might choose. Its when she want's story CD's on I cringe. The Little Princess is the second most dislikable character in the world (After Spot the bloody dog) or when Number 2 (toddler!!) starts ranting for teddy bear songs that the problem starts. I know how to use the fader controls on the stereo so all the sound goes on in the back. Its the one time Mrs c and me get an uninterrupted chat during the day.
Blimey!
Me and Honest Man have a lot of things that we both like so it's never too much of a problem, we both choose a few CDs, but each with a mind to what the other really hates so there are no Manics from him and no Steely Dan from me.
That said he is very tolerant and generous-spirited and does let me listen to Club Classics on Heart if it's a friday night - and he never complains as I sing along to hours of disco cheese!
Mind you I like Sigur Ros and RT more than he does and I hate stuff like Robbie Williams or G4. Musically, I am a pretty good wife!
We also like roaming the radio dial and finding local radio stations of varying quality and interest, and if we're driving home late on a Sunday it's Keith Skues as soon as we're within range of the local radio groups in which he broadcasts.
And we also listen to spoken word - ISIHAC is a favourite, Round The Horne, stuff like that, and I hope to get the Complete Smile at some point as they were BRILLIANT.
A few times, when we've been on a car-based holiday, he's bought a stack of new music for both of us, and we've share the listening, and that's become our holiday soundtrack.
G4...
I thought that was something to do with football. Obviously I am even further removed from the coalface of popular culture than I thought.
Mrs point of view
Great to get female perspective, I was starting to get the impression it was all us hairies just having a grump.
I think it's the consideration
that causes the potential issues or not, rather than the music.
Mrs Specs_Beard (and I know I'm a lucky man) is not interested enough in 'playlists for the car' and that sort of enterprise to do it herself. So, even though she is the driver, her unspoken challenge to me is to put some CDs or whatever together for long journeys that won't spook her into driving onto the hard shoulder and weeping into the grass verge.
Sometimes I fail in this endeavour (hello, Radiohead - apparent scourge of wives everywhere), but she seems to appreciate the effort!
Just play
RT.
musical compatibility
was a mandatory field in the selection criteria for both parties
There are some divergences but a broad an rich middle ground
We talk
Bizarre I know. 5 hours up and 5 hours down to Killy at the weekend. We talked.
I do put on 5 live for the sports scores as she knows I can't settle at 16:45 on Saturdays unless I do. And occassionally we try to catch the traffic news.
The exception is on the way to Latitude when we play bands who will be on over the weekend.
FYI
We've had a couple more days of driving around North Cornwall in musical silence, but it's been OK. As it's going to piss down again tomorrow, we're off to look around St Ives which is about an hour and a bit each way; I may offer to let her choose the music...
PS Yesterday we saw Nick Knowles wearing a wetsuit in Polzeath and today Mrs Jung saw Hugh Grant at the golf course we're staying near.
You think you've got problems
Wait till you meet the dude with 7 wives tomorrow! I wonder if he'd have the balls to play his own music?
He's made a career doing this!!!
I endured the whole of sugababes hits. The fall went on & she switched it on half way thru track 1. "its just a noise a he cant sing" i then told her that funnily enough i though the sugababes were crap. Now its silence in the car
Silence
We went for silence again today, except when I noticed the radio was tuned to PirateRadio... so I turned it up to see what they were playing. Tina Turner piped up and Mrs Jung quickly turned it off. This time I agreed with her.
Cassette hell
When my kids were growing up it was all tapes, so the choice was limited to those in the box underneath the front seat - hence my two grew very familiar with a somewhat limited, but I like to think high quality, repertoire recorded from records in the mid/late 80s. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but I was delighted when my 26 year old son recently confessed that he'd downloaded something which we had in the car at that time - it only took me two guesses to get to Pet Sounds! Pretty amazing considering the fairly unlistenable stuff he usually has on, but proves the power one has when the kids are helplessly strapped into the rear seats and you repeatedly fire the same music at them! I somehow think that you parents with iPods on shuffle are being much kinder, but it was a lovely moment for me....
BTW - Mrs NigelT is pretty tolerant, except when I decide to go through a whole artist's back catalogue in chronological order - I can sort of see her point on that one.....
No Problem
Wossername has her own camel seven paces behind mine and keeps herself to herself while she does as she's told...
We like different things...
... my girlfriend and I, so we have a simple system. In her car, it's her choice. In mine, it's mine. That seems fair.