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Has Word Magazine ever given you a completely bum steer...?
Whilst lying in bed last night, using me Kindle to download the books in Words top 10 of 2010 I didn't already have, Mrs Keus raised the question of "how do you know you'll like them"?.
After shushing her patronisingly and advising she return to the fitful, snorey demi-consciousness she calls sleep, I did have a think about her question.
Y'see, I don't really have the time anymore to be constantly plugged into the cultural zeitgeist, and I sort of rely on Word to nudge me to the things I trust they'll know I like.
This has worked splendidly so far, and in most respects I have the utmost confidence that their general preferences will also suit me.
However, occasionally something pops up with all flags flying in Worldworld that just honks like dead fish with me - usually after I've shelled out for it.
First one that comes to mind is Joanna Newsom - much touted a while back by various World Illuminati, who - despite many listens, still sounds like someone going through musical therapy to me. Another is the Feeling - if memory serves they were a cross between Supertramp, the Beatles and Lionel Bart in their melodic and lyrical inventiveness, and in at least one Word journo's best gigs of the year. . At their best I thought "Racey B sides.."
Anyone else feel let down on occasion by our cultural alpha monkeys?
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Richard Thompson / Robyn Hitchcock
I have yet to "understand".
Only Robyn
understands Robyn.
The cover disc
Love the magazine - good writing, in-depth articles, my kind of content and tastes: I've been given many good recommendations. But that bloody cover disc I can live without. My wife does not need any more bird-scarers for the allotmment, so I have taken to taking the cover-mount off and leaving it in the shop. One track of OK content and 10 of assorted Americana or whatever lesser cuts from an unsellable CD does not make a good free gift to me. Just keep with the optional download from the mailout for those who like that sort of thing, and let the rest of us save the planet. Only the Mojo cover disc delivers - as compared to the dull magazine.
Agreed
It goes straight in the bin.
Worth a listen
The Word team sometimes get strange enthusiasms - there was that George Formby impersonator who was all over the the mag, the podcast, the banners here and even the subscriptions offer a couple of months back, and didn't they all have a collective psychotic episode over Fleet Foxes? The CD lets you judge for yourself.
Same here
But every time I mention my dislike of the cover CD (which I too always bin) I always get a battering on here.
Yup,
here too.
With a satisfying steely clang.
Steely Clang?
TMTFL
Put it on Spotify or
MixCloud for those who don't have Spotify and get rid of it. That's my advice.
Better idea
Make it a better CD.
As mentioned previously, The MOJO discs are rather good, meanwhile I can't ever imagine binning any of the ones that I own. The edge is clearly a case of the Mojo's discs being intelligently theme-based rather than a just a collection of new music. I understand that certain editions even sell for a premium.
I wish that I could say the same for the Word discs; I'm sure that much love and care goes into them - but experience tells me that once inserted into the player, the skip button shall be pressed not long after.
Sorry...
Your comment remind me of my djing days
I was always happy to play requests when I could, but most people who came up just asked me to "play something good".
When I asked them to elaborate they usually just said "not what you're playing now".
I've said it before but ...
I am much more likely to keep and replay Mojo's cds but also much more likely to discover new things, and buy new albums, on Word's. I guess this is just what Word and its advertisers are aiming for.
Only the punchably smug
Pipe-and-slippers, gramps-pop combo that was "The Duckworth Lewis Method" and "The Liberty Of Norton Folgate“
"Punchably smug"?
I'm not going to try to "prove" that the DLM are any good, but I don't understand this accusation of smugness. They made an album about cricket because they clearly love the sport. There are some (IMO) storming songs, some funny, some melancholy. I just don't get the "smug." Take Mason On The Boundary, for instance.
That's
just confirmed it.
100% in agreement Pax R
Those were the very two items I would have gone for.
DLM. Like a particularly bad musical interlude on "Pebble Mill at One". Like some hideous collaboration between Tim Rice and Richard Stilgoe
As for Madness, some of the finest pop of the 80s - but Folgate a misguided stab at "legacy".
I have a bone to pick with with DLM -
they shamelessly nicked my identity here.
I found DLM album a
I found DLM album a melodic joy and I fucking hate cricket.
RE: Madness-- The Liberty Of Norton Folgate, Some kind of vanity project/ legacy? It's their bleedin' masterpiece!
Oh, piss off and listen to your Fall albums.
While I'm on your side entirely
wrt to the merits of DLM & Norton Folgate I think you could be a bit less aggressive when expressing your opinion..
You're right. I did come
You're right. I did come over a bit aggressive last night.
Put it down to coming back from the pub in a foul mood. Apologies all round. Merry Christmas,
Fair
Enuff. You enjoy your Christmas too.
Dear Zanti Misfit
Just for the record I can't stand the The Fall ( the band that is rather than Autumn which is actually my favorite season)
Sorry. I don't know where
Sorry. I don't know where that Fall reference came from and I actually quite like them. Sorry I told you to piss off. It wasn't meant to be that aggressive but I got the tone wrong. Apologies.
Have a nutty Xmas.
Well done Zanti
All you needed to add was: "why do you haters cum on sites n moan about good music i suppose you like J Beiber n gay shit why not go to youtube n watch lady gaga all day with your faggy pop friends your so sad neil hannon r sick 4 eva"
to get that full-on NME forum feel that we're all missing so much.
Oh come on, I wasn't that
Oh come on, I wasn't that bad. I'm not some troll -in-waiting.
I could give you a full on NME forum feel Circa 1986 if you want? But then you might think I'm Keith Flett.
I find the Word's and other
I find the Word's and other magazines' cover CDs invaluable. If not for them, I'd probably waste a fortune buying some of the music they recommend.
Great comment, Werewolf.
Great comment, Werewolf.
Some months...
I don't like any of it, and other months like December 2010, it really hits the spot and flows like a real album.
As for bum steers, nothing springs to mind, he finishes lamely.
Good description of Newsom there.
Other damning comment a bit tough on the lads from Racey.
Dare I mention...
Belle & Sebastian?
Although to be fair, it was (elements of)the Massive rather than the mag. Oh alright, it was Joe R. Epworth and Hellen are not fans, if the podcasts are to be believed.
I feel I'm having to chase you round the Internet
defending Belle and Sebastian. Everyone's entitled to their opinion; it's just in this case mine is right and yours is wrong ;)
Sorry Joe
I have to admit I'm just doing this for devilment now.
You know that kid at school you sat in front of, who used to poke you in the back with his ruler and flick your ears when the teacher wasn't looking?
That's me, that is.
And remember..
I'm sitting next to Paul. And we're both whispering to each other REALLY LOUDLY about how shite B&S are. And giggling a lot.
You know
what happens if you sit behind people in class breaking their spirit like that?
The grow up and get their revenge by writing fey songs about the hard time they had at school.
Then, people like me buy those records and try and get people like you to listen to them.
So... on your head be it *insert suitable cheeky face emoticon*
Hey Joe, are they picking on you again?
Do you want to sit with the girls at lunch-time?
And this is precisely why
I never got to sit with the girls at lunchtime.
It was either that or the copy of Brain Salad Surgery carried nonchalantly under my arm.
"No, listen - you'll really like it - it's so much better than that teenybop rubbish and that soul music you all listen to.
Eh? Oh.
Lenny? Lenny? Let's go and tuough up Joe again..."
It's Thompson, R. for me.
Nope. Just not getting it. Sure, he's a handy guitar player, but I tried some of the music and it's just (*whispers*) a bit dull. And that "having a pop at Sting" thread the other day made me reasonably determined not to persevere.
And C.W. Stoneking is a novelty act, no more or less.
But really, I can't think of many magazines who can so accurately cater for what I tend to like, even if I stopped listening to the CDs a couple of months ago.
But aren't you the person who
didn't get The Beatles until recently? (If I'm wrong please accept my apology!)
If it was you, then you're not scheduled to get RT until 2023 I'm afraid.
I'll be 45.
Sounds about right.
(And yeah, I was the Beatles not-getter.)
Jude Rogers
did it for me. She was completely over the top in her enthusiasm for Joanna Newsoms second album YS that I felt it must be bloody brilliant. I went out and bought it even though I had the first and didnt rate that. Guess what? The second is unmitigated shit. Now very sceptical about listening to Jude ever again when it comes to reviews even though she seems a thoroughly good sort of course.
And yet...
I think it's the best record of the last decade, by a country mile. Go figure.
I've mentioned JR
and JN before. Still don't get it.
CW Stoneking
found the "Australian Tom Waits" utterly resistable.
In fact the Word podcast showcasing him & his musical stylings has been the only one I haven't listened to all the way through after finding him a dull charmless inarticulate interviewee, and his music sounding less than essential
Absolutely this.
Word's fawning over this chancer really turned me off to them.
Got to agree with all of that
Stoneking may seem exotic and interesting to British ears, but in Australia most people would run a mile to avoid someone who affects a "fake stoopid" accent like that.
I like your opinion of UK music lovers
You make us sound so unsophisticated, so susceptible to ruse, like we're not used to music, or something.
Like everyone else on this page, Stoneking is liked by some people, and not by others. I imagine the same is true in Australia.
I don't know how
you reach that conclusion.
Being closer to all things Australian simply makes the artifice all the more transparent.
That's all it is.
And trust me, nobody speaks like that in this part of the world.
I know that nobody speaks like Stoneking
I think the artiface is obvious whether you're from Canberra or Canturbury. All I'm saying is that I suspect Stoneking has fans in Australia too.
Yes, he probably does have fans in Australia
and I think his music is OK as far as it goes. I really don't have a problem with that part of the package.
But we've been here before, haven't we?
he does , I am noe of them
seen him a few times
he plays quite well, the songs are not overly lobng and reasonably melodiousand his stories can be quite amusing and they style he plays in is impressively faithful to the music of the period.
It's an enjoyable night out seeing someone who wants to entertain you.
Everyone knows his stage persona is just that, a stage persona.
It,s not like he reckons he is blind lemon jefferson, tampa rad or whoever you care to name.
I think a straw man has been created.To call him a fake...well surely everyone knows its a put on. Is it a fake if everyone knows its a fake?To revert To Rumsfeldian -its a real fake not a fake fake..or is it the other way around?...time for a lie down
Jo Newsom here as well.. I felt robbed.
But the comments about The Feeling from Berncastel are odd, unless he/she is overseas. The Feeling were played to death on UK radio prior to the release of Twelve Stops And Home. I'd been heavily exposed to them prior to my buying the album.
And they're great live. I'll hear not a bad word said against them.
It still rankles...
....but the championing of Midlake's 'The Courage of Others' was, for me, just wrong.
It really is dull, tedious, monotonous, boring, turgid stuff.
I gave it a fair crack of the whip - maybe 15 listens, all the way through - in the hope that it would click into place as it clearly had for others in this neck of the woods.
It's been a timely reminder to always, always, always sample before buying.
midlake and their partner in crime
john grant
see separate thread for diverse views on queen of denmark
In the same vein
Can I add the Decemberists to that - just don't get it.
The Decemberists - seconded
Listened to 'The Crane Wife' over and over again thinking that at some point I would, as you say, get it. I never did.
Yep I'll have that too
Bought the Crane Wife and thought it sounded like a mouldy Levellers.
In the same vein - Fleet Foxes....
But Mojo were also complicit in that collusion to part me with cash...
Just very dull. A group who had been listening to Music from Big Pink for so long that it extinguished any original sound they may have had.
On the plus side - I loved British Sea Power's "Do You Like Rock Music?" and the B-52's Funplex album after glowing commentary...
FF
Obviously without the Word (and NPR) I would have absoutely no knowledge of new music. So don't feel my views have any weight, but based on my I-tunes count I have played the Fleet Foxes more than any other 21st century band apart from Rilo Kiley (and oddly Goldfrapp's 7th tree - I don't usually like Goldfrapp).
(which oddly reminded me that this morning i dreamt that Middlesbrough had become a new Singapore full of skyscrapers, deluxe hotels and shops that you had to get between by speedboat - whilst listening to Nick Drake's Northern Sky on an endless loop. Sorry to whaffle - it just suddenly sprang into my mind. Which is clearly a mad place).
Anyway, I think Fleet Foxes are just fine and dandy. Literally cannot hear White Winter Hymnal enough times.
Fleet Foxes
Best album of last year by a mile. Thanks (The) Word.
For me...
the Decemberists are one of the greatest discoveries of the last ten years. They're my favourite band (among bands that are playing today - there are quite a few from the past that I love even more), and I would not have known about them if it hadn't been for the Word. In fact, it's precisely because The Word introduced me to the Decemberists that I trust its recommendations so much - despite agreeing with some of the comments here about the occasional "bum steer" (C.W.Stoneking, e.g., does absolutely nothing for me).
The Hazards of Love
Listen loud and in near darkness.
Near...
... the edge of town?
well, in a bower
in a forest ideally
Oh yes
Divine Comedy's latest and the execrable Phenomenal Handclap Band
Divine Comedy
As a formerly huge DC fan - and one who still loves Promenade more than nearly all other records - I can confirm that the new one is transparently, embarrassingly, cringe-makingly awful. Hope this clears up any confusion.
I thought it was just me
It pains me to agree - DC/NH has brought me immeasurable joy over the years and I will always be an enormous fan - but the new album is novelty-pop dullness. It sounds like the soundtrack to some awful, 1970s TV special.
I loved
Casanova (but its aged badly) and liked Short Album About Love at the time. I find he comes across as a bit superior these days and when I look back on his stuff I tend to feel that 'there's a person who thinks they're more clever than they are'
Agreed on the new one
Apart from the lovely Down in the Street Below every song seems to feature the same incredibly irritating plinky plonky novelty piano. Definitely my most disappointing of the year. A great shame as I felt he was on a roll: Victory... contains some of the best songs of his career and the inventive variety of Duckworth Lewis was just superb. Clearly I was wrong (his Word podcast was good though).
David Hepworth's review of...
Saxon's Into the Labyrinth was less than accurate: "a majestic, ball-crushing return to form from Biff and the boys... thirteen seminal anthems to make you pick up your broadsword and rock."
No hold on a minute... maybe that was in Classic Rock...
"Ball-crushing Biff" eh
Taking seriously a review by Hepworth about any form of heavy Rock music, is a bit like taking seriously a review from your local Builder Jeff about the architectural merits of the Clifton Suspension Bridge. Problem is, Jeff's never seen the bridge.
This just in...
I made the bit about David Hepworth writing it up. As well as the review. And the bit about it possibly having been in Classic Rock.
All hail to the Cultural Alpha Monkeys
Ah, thought it unlikely Patrick. Jeff never saw the bridge, and I never saw the magazine.
Picking up on a couple of pointettes..
I'm in Glasgow, but my exposure to UK radio is limited to Radio 2 breakfast time. They Feeling may have been rotated heavily on Uncle Terry/That mad cat lady, but I honestly didny pick up on them there.
"Me too" on the Duckworth Lewis method and Belle and Sebastian (in Scotland it is a crime punishable by flogging to cry aloud "they have no clothes!") Both inoffensive, but - sigh - a bit, weedy , insipid and pointless.
I'm just about to buy John Grants album (again, nudged by my gurus...)
Am I crashing in the same car again - Is it pants?
I've resisted Mr Grant's charms...
...not having been bowled over by what I've heard so far; but if there's a Fopp near you, I noticed the CD was only £4 in their Manchester store on Weds.
There Appear To Be Mixed Opinions About Mr Grant
I am of the opinion that Marz apart it is a weak album with terrible lyrics,but others think it is the best album of the year and it is in Words top ten so what do I know
Not as good as The Czars
I too don't get the sudden interest in John Grant....this one I find a bit of a duffer, especially the unlistenable f*ck song. All the Czars albums are far superior, so buy those and support the worthy cause that is Bella Union.
Thanks for that...I used to think iTunes was a real bargain.
New relaases on digital download for £7.99 WOW! what a result! Until I discovered you can buy them in retailers like FOPP for less, upload them and throw the original away.
Now, this should really be on the "things you never thought you'd see" thread, but who would have thunk that?
Stoneking,The Posies,Springsteen,John Grant
Now I feel better can we start again, oh and why no reviews of Everything Everything and Owen Pallett and Why were Field Music not in your top ten albums of the year ?
To each their own...
Whereas I was quite struck by The Posies review and as such am loving the album
Whether we agree with everything or not is inconsequential, at least The Word has a genuine opinion. Without reopening the debate again, I really like the reviews section these days, much better than some mag with 200+ reviews of 50 words each.
When I've taken a punt
based on the reviews haven't been disappointed and the approach I take to the cd is that it's free music - some is good, some is ulistenable and have kept a lot more than I have thrown away. From my perspective, Word hits the mark more often that it misses.
CD reviews of new releases in Word Magazine?
Ahh, them were t'days.
Marina and the Diamonds
What a load of old cobblers. Fiver wasted thanks to enthusiastic Word review. She can bugger off and take her day-glow lip gloss with her.
'and' has a lot to answer for
See Lulu and Florence...
Can't blame Word for Flo
I was heartily recommended "Lungs" by a good chum (and member of this parish). Next time I see him I plan to kick him in the shins
I've apologised for that!
I got overexcited because she's ginger. I still reckon Rabbit Heart and Dog Days are brilliant, though.
*dons shin guards*
Two things...
(1) Kiss with a Fist
(2) that rancid cover of You Got The Love
*done winkle pickers*
...however
Had Florence not violated and desecrated the remains of "You've Got The Love", then the xx would have not felt the urge to rewrite it to create one of the most mesmerising things of the last year.
There's the youtube clip.
I strongly recommend you listen. Brilliant stuff.
Sounds like they're singing over a Four Tet track
and the vocals are far better than Flo's. Even the sample of her voice isn't too annoying. These are all Good Things.
I *heart*
Lungs.
Mr H calls it Bowels, though.
To address this question seriously...
I dislike a great many acts that have received much praise in these quarters, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in reading or listening to what they have to say. Take John Grant for example, whose appeal mystifies me. I absolutely loved the conversation with him recorded at Latitude. Interesting guy, I thought, I just don't like his music. Similarly I enjoyed the interview with Tinie Tempah in the latest issue despite never having heard his records. He came over really well as an engaging and thoughtful chap with a refreshing humility. I doubt very much that his tunes are going to float my boat, but that doesn't matter. I know what I like with regards music, and I have next to no interest in contemporary pop. But an interesting person is an interesting person, regardless.
Some excellent even handedness there.....
Well, so it is.
Richard Thompson
Another vote here. I needed another CD for HMV's 2 for a tenner so picked up a copy of I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight. It's not awful, just very average, can't get excited about it.
To be honest, I rarely follow up on the recommended acts or listen to the CD. But the magazine is invaluable because of the columns and interviews, which are far more interesting than the lightly rewritten press releases you see in so many other publications.
'Very average'.
Compared to what?
"I feel for you, you little horror
Safe at your mother’s breast
No lucky break for you around the corner
‘Cos your father is a bully
And he thinks that you’re a pest
And your sister, she’s no better than a whore
Life seems so rosy in the cradle
but I’ll be a friend, I’ll tell you what’s in store
There’s nothing at the end of the rainbow
There’s nothing to grow up for anymore"
Are they average lyrics?
The production's way above average, the musicianship near-perfect, the tunes memorable and the arrangements way, way above average. If you don't like it fair enough but please don't call it average.
"Very average"
Compared to Tom Waits, everything is average.
"Across the stripes of a full moon's head
Through the bars of a Cuban jail
Bloody fingers on a purple knife
A flamingo drinking from a coctail glass
I'm on the lawn with somebody else's wife
Come admire the view from up on top of the mast
Yellow sheets in a Hong Kong bed
Stazybo horn and a Slingerland ride
To the carnival is what she said
A hundred dollars makes it dark inside"
(from "Jockey Full Of Bourbon")
Now HE'S not an average songwriter.
I think the idea of the 'bum
I think the idea of the 'bum steer' isn't quite fair. My impression is that the magazine is a bit like a really enthusiastic, well-informed friend whose opinions you tend to respect. Essentially it's the equivalent of one of my mates sending me a Spotify link to an album they can't stop playing. I know roughly what their tastes are, I know where we sometimes disagree, and I make a call based on that knowledge.
What I've found is reading the Word has opened me up to music (and other media) I might never have otherwise discovered. I listened to Tinie Tempah's album after the last issue; granted I thought it was a dreadful racket, but I probably wouldn't have even tried it if it wasn't for the well-written review. Same goes for John Grant - one of my favourite albums of this or any other year which I only bought after a great interview in the magazine. I've found that the new less-is-more approach to reviews means that instead of a barrage of artists to read about, I now take note of a few albums in particular and seek them out online to see what I think of them. With Spotify and the like available, you don't really need to take a punt as you can try before you buy...
The CD also helps in this respect - many of the acts included are covered in the magazine, so they act as a virtual soundtrack. I know people complain about them, but I don't see the problem: they're intended as a taster and they fulfill that function at the very least. Some of the better ones seem to work as albums in their own right.
Having said all that, I'll never understand the magazine's apparent obsession with Springsteen, but there you go.
Yes. Ta.
In writing that for me, using better words and phraseology, you've possibly saved me 20 minutes.
I reckon DH had enough of being told
"No, we won't print that 47 page Springsteen feature" that he thought "bollocks to 'em all - I'll start my own magazine so I can print as much about Bruce as I want" :-)
The Bruce Springsteen Fanzine
"Don't miss this months Exclusive 'Disproportionate Praise Edition' - 200 extra pages of minor 80's rock star! BUY NOW while stocks last!"
Phones up Getty "any more pics of Bruce looking cute in about 1982, before the surgery? No, its for our boss, he likes to hang them in the loo."
Only teasing of course.
You're all buying the wrong stuff!!
We've all bought music that we don't like before, in some ways it's all part of the fun. Some of the best albums I've bought have been ones I've taken a bit of a punt on. Then over a period of time they reveal themselves to you in full colour.
However if you want to avoid disappointment, I can't believe none of you check it out on Spotify first. I did this several times with the John Grant album before purchasing it. A great recommendation from Word.
well it helps if the service is available
in your country of residence:(
Can you get Tubeify
No spotify here but the lastfm/youtube stuff is all available.
If nothing else, it confirmed my suspicion that Janelle Monae is not all that...
Ain't about the music..
Absolutely subjective. Some I like, some not at all. Win some lose some. Ah well.
I do want that week of my life back I spent reading David Nicholl's 'One Fine Day' though.
Ah.
You should try "One Day" instead, then. It's much better. ;-)
George Harrison...
... wrote "One Fine Day" didn't he? Oh no - it was "He's So Fine".
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