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Haiti Facebook status doing the rounds

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Just found this as a status update on one of my friends facebook. Apparently it's doing the rounds.

Disappointment and anger were my first feelings now it's just sadness that even an act of good will is seen as a detriment to our society.

"Shame on you ENGLAND!!!!!! The only country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed without eating, elderly going without needed meds, mentally Ill without treatment and British servicemen and women fighting without the best kit - yet we donate £50 million to the people of Haiti...99% of people won't have the guts to copy and repost this"

People. They're fecking thick as shite.

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Numpties!

I don't like any form of form of Facebook status protest, but at least most of them are for good causes. This is just idiotic.

I have a few thick, racist ex-schoolmates on FB. I expect to see at least one of them copy and paste this.

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Spartacus Mills | 30 January 2010 - 12:11pm

I read something similar on a message board I visit.

I visited one of my usual haunts, read something equally vile, and vented my spleen. I seriously doubt that I'll be going back there.

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JQW | 30 January 2010 - 1:36pm

Typical right wing attitude

That message turned up on my wife's Facebook wall posted by a 'friend'. Our reaction was along the lines of 'f***ing right wing cow!'

Hopefully, 99% will have the sense not to pass this shite attitude onto anyone else.

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Mr Sparks | 30 January 2010 - 1:49pm

Not right-wing enough if you

Not right-wing enough if you ask me, what with the implied sympathy for tramps and mentals.

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Spartacus Mills | 30 January 2010 - 3:30pm

John Donne said it best

just before the famous lines about asking not for whom the bell tolls: "any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind." I wonder how many people who post that sentiment make any donations to UK-based charities anyway. Bet they complain about paying taxes as well. The paradox is lost on them.

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BigJimBob | 30 January 2010 - 2:59pm

That John Donne quotation was new to me...

and it's beautiful.

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Patrick Crowther | 30 January 2010 - 3:01pm

yeah I

think so too and it's a nice riposte to the "no such thing as society" mindset.

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BigJimBob | 30 January 2010 - 3:19pm

In a nice twist

Some former colleague now living it up in Florida recently posted a status update along the lines of 'I'm so furious, I've lost my $800 Blahniks and my car valet is sick and I have to wash the car MYSELF' to which some gagmeister simply commented 'And they think they have problems in Haiti...'

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Slotbadger | 30 January 2010 - 3:47pm

The stupidist thing about that bilge

is that it is so inaccurate and self undermining.

The only country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed without eating, elderly going without needed meds, mentally Ill without treatment

Since when are we the only country that has all of those terrible social problems that need addressing. Perhaps some Europeans are doing better than us but I am pretty sure there isn't a country that has the a western concept and application of property and household that has no homeless without shelter.

In fact the concept of homelessness implies a lack of shelter.

and British servicemen and women fighting without the best kit -

Ah yes... well if you include that in the sentence I guess we are the only country this can be said of, since we are the only country that has British servicemen and women. But wait didn't the paragraph start with shame on England? How come we've just come over all British, since Scotland, Wales and N Island are also countries with British service people.

Oh and also this whole kit thing. I am sure they can have better kit. But I am 100% certain they have better kit than the people they fight against. We are a major "first" world country with a lot of money invested in our armed services. We aren't top of the heap and we have our problems but our kit is better than most armies fighting currently in the world today.

yet we donate £50 million to the people of Haiti...

The ultimate contradiction, since Haiti currently consists pretty much only of homeless people, staving children, people without meds, has a lack of decent kit. And as that is clearly true how on earth can anyone claim us to be the only country with these problems in the same paragraph as mentioning Haiti.

It is the breathtaking ignorance and lack of any coherant thinking that makes that stand out.

If I had a facebook friend who wrote that I would block them, and if they were an actual friend I would argue very strongly face to face with then and if they didn't retract the statement and publicly denounce it then I would stop being their friend too.

It is not the same as having a different ideology to me, it is something toxic and dangerous.

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goosefat101 | 30 January 2010 - 4:08pm

Source

"But wait didn't the paragraph start with shame on England?"

Not originally. This started out a few days ago with the word "America" where "England" is. It's been copied repeatedly by people hoping to elicit precisely the kind of reaction we've had on this blog.

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Fraser Lewry | 30 January 2010 - 4:37pm

I am not so sure this is the reaction intended.

Why would their purpose be to depress people and to make them stop associating with anyone who posts such things.

I don't really see the point in trying to illicit that sort of reaction.

I'd be more inclined to believe that the reason people post it is to illicit agreement from others as well as to provoke those who oppose them. It isn't to create sighs and references to Dunne. It is to really polarise opinion.

That said the source you are linking to Fraser makes a more coherent point since it excludes the England/Britain bit and isn't actively opposing the donations but the saturation of the benefits held for Haiti across the media.

Shame on you America: the only country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed without eating, elderly going without needed meds, and mentally ill without treatment - yet we have a benefit for the people of Haiti on 12 TV stations.

Now there is still a problem in that it is ignorant about the fact that the problems of poverty etc... are endemic globally. It is still a very stupid statement.

But it reads more like an ignorant and stupid liberal statement from someone who is frustrated by the failure of 1st world countries to get their own houses in order. I can relate to that frustration even if the conclusion is stupid.

I can also understand why the saturation of coverage would provoke negative reactions. The media coverage of things like this tends to be relentless, it tends to be contrived and the celebrities that lend their faces to it tend to have suspect motivations.

I was listening to the WYNC podcast called On The Media the other day and they were talking about the amount of resources that the western media are currently taking up in haiti, there are so many camera crews all who need to eat and have places to live, which is driving up the price of food and shelter for those displaced by the damage. The man on the podcast was suggesting that when things like this happen networks should share the footage of a small team rather than send out hundreds of competing newsteams.

The reasons why people come to ignorant conclusions can often be from understandable positions. I was a bit too harsh even on our daily mail reading slant on it. Okay this whole thing about our armies kit is overblown... but the people who consider it a big issue do so because on one level they do care about the human casualties involved (if only the "british" ones).

Facebook just makes it easy for people to spread ignorance without thinking or even noticing. Everything is much more immediate and no one is really looking into the issues in depth.

Haiti is a terrible tragedy, but it is also, when it reaches us, a media story, a grand narrative to be played to us. It is one we can relate to because it could happen anywhere, and so we engage with it.

It is really good that so much aid has been raised for Haiti. There are many causes where aid is not raised, some close to home as the facebook messages suggest and some far from home but that happen to not make such good stories.

A week or so ago Charlie Brookers Newswipe did a very good dissection of the way tragedy and disaster are covered by the news, and I think it is partly because of the way these things are covered that people end up with these ignorant conclusions.

The episode I refer to can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BB95CBBBBB33366B&search_query=Ne...

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goosefat101 | 30 January 2010 - 5:39pm

The use of the word "meds"

made me wonder if it had originated in the US

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latenitetellyvision | 30 January 2010 - 6:48pm

Little Englander's

Some years back I was asked by my employer at the time take over their charitable donations "process". Up to that point most of the money set aside each year was going to a local orchestra that one of the directors just happened to be on the board of.

Like most companies we got a fair number of begging letters each month, and my task was to see that the letters were dealt with and to apply the funds. I asked for volunteers from the staff to help me, and suggested we jointly decide who should get what. I suggested we split the money between smaller local charities, and then commit to a 2 or 3 year funding arrangement with another charity. Which was all fine until I suggested we declare our wider prejudices / preferences i.e. in my case no money to any religious groups or animal charities.

The volunteers response - OK nothing to charities, a heated debate about the welfare of kittens, but an almost universal consensus that none of the money should go to "those foreigners", and in no uncertain terms that "charity begins at home". I left them to it.

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fortuneight | 30 January 2010 - 4:10pm

Puzzled...

I read that as, in essence, because you didn't want to donate to animal charities, no charity ended up getting anything.

Please tell me I've misunderstood...

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stimpy | 30 January 2010 - 4:38pm

No, the money was spent

But the process of deciding who got it became quite fraught. Inevitably, you have more worthwhile causes than funds and trying to arrive at some sort of consensus on who benefits and who doesn’t naturally became strongly influenced by personal values and beliefs.

I thought there would be debate about the animal charities, and there was. The majority view was to include them, which was fair enough – that was the whole point of taking a consensus based approach.

My surprise and disappointment was the latent xenophobia. Everyone agreed that we should do what we can to lessen disadvantage and suffering, and indeed treat animals and humans alike. Provided it was British disadvantage and suffering.

I said I couldn’t be party to a UK only spending policy, particularly as we were a multinational employer. It seemed hypocritical to me to have an international approach to making money, but a very localised view of charitable giving. I withdrew from the process of deciding who received the money and the group got on with spending the money. There’s no doubt some real benefits arose from the donations that were made, but the initial arguments left a few noses out of joint, mine included.

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fortuneight | 30 January 2010 - 5:52pm

Whenever someone rants on about "charity begins at home"

...I usually find that their charity has not actually begun at home, or anywhere else. Or have I missed the BNP soup kitchens ?

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Doods | 30 January 2010 - 9:22pm

Thankfully...

.... while there are three FB groups of this name they appear to have, in total, 98 members, and of those there are a fair few who have have become "Friends" so that they can remonstrate with the ranters. Not exactly an internet storm.

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Doods | 30 January 2010 - 9:29pm

It´s nice they have facebook

otherwise they'd be ranting at the pidgeons from a park bench. Internet, where even the socially moronic have a say

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On The Fence | 30 January 2010 - 11:22pm
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