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Grey Day for Andy

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With the flash of 'breaking news' from the respective news sites stating that BSKYB have sacked Andy Grey for his comments at Molineux on Saturday.
I begin to wonder if this isn't a case of the broadcaster finding a scapegoat in the wake of the Culture Secretary's involvement in the News Corp bid for BSKYB.
Walk into any public house or similar 'bloke' domain and the sexist remarks flow like draught beer. No doubt it will suddenly be acceptable for every comic in the land to make capital out of the event without any penalty.
The future for broadcasting is getting bleak in this green and pleasant land. Opinion is being suppressed to benefit those with the control. I am sure Ms Massey is professional enough to know the nature of her working environment.
News Corp revealed their double standards by featuring her in short skirt and hair let down in a more gratuitous pose on the front of today's 'SUN'. A far worse piece of denigrating journalism than Messrs Grey and Keys have ever displayed.

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He Was The Best

Gave games a real sense of occasion and rarely missed what was going on out there. Critical too, "I'm sorry son, you're paid 50k a week - you don't miss those..." Who are we left with - Alan Smith?

Fired by Sky. Of course he is currently suing News International re phone hacking - I wonder if these two incidents are related?

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Bodhisattva | 25 January 2011 - 7:17pm

Each to their own, and all that

but for me he was the worst thing about Sky's coverage!

Although, thinking about it now, it's probably not that he was bad, as such, just that he was nowhere near as good (in terms of insight, knowledge etc.) as he thought he was.

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Merv | 26 January 2011 - 1:59am

News International

Well done for ignoring that Andy was suing News International as part of the phone tapping that took place at the News of the World. How handy is this that they can get rid of him without any legal recourse on his part.

I did enjoy Kenny Dalgish's daughter's tweet "Phew, am exhausted. Just read about something called 'the offside rule'. Too much for my tiny brain. Must be damaged from nail polish fumes."

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MichaelM | 25 January 2011 - 7:18pm

Sacking is an overreaction

the original comments were private off air remarks to a friend and colleague.
As for the 'Video' incident - if the female co-presenter was understandably offended then a final warning should have been given.
The 'colleague' who leaked the whole business to the press should be given honary membership of the thought police.
And as for the double standards of the tabloid press...

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bargepole | 25 January 2011 - 7:36pm

He was still at work though

You'd be in trouble for those comments in most offices wouldn't you? And other events seem to have now been brought to the employers attention

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clarker | 26 January 2011 - 12:57pm

He used to be good

but he's been rubbish for ages, just like the rest of the main footie pundits. They should boot the lot out and make an effort to identify some who can find something useful to say, which probably means not relying on old pros so much.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for him but there does seem to be a strong element of stitch up here.

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Werewolf | 25 January 2011 - 7:28pm

Better Football

If you're looking for a better class of punditry, you need to find a better class of football than we're currently getting for them to pundit upon.

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Mike_H | 25 January 2011 - 8:46pm

Nonsense

There's (some) decent journalism in print media. The two things are independent of eachother.

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Werewolf | 25 January 2011 - 10:04pm

When are they

taking Loose Women off air then?

Not because it's relentlessly sexist - men cant work out how a washing machine works, cant multitask, are lazy, arent romantic, smell funny - but because it's absolute crap.

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Molesworth | 25 January 2011 - 7:31pm

Because you hear it down the pub....

Doesn't really make it alright

Getting people to question their prejudices and hopefully conclude that some long held ones they have inherited from generations before them takes time and it has to start somewhere so why not the media upholding standards for their employees to maintain, at the risk of losing your position.

Their was a time, not so long back when racial jokes and jokes about gay people were acceptable in the pub, I'm not suggesting this never happens now but I bet far less than it used to and their will be some in the crowd who feel uncomfortable when it does.

As for others getting comedy mileage out of andy grey well that would seem to be a different matter and I would suggest fair game.

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art vanderlay | 25 January 2011 - 7:31pm

Although you have a point

On the double standards of the reprehensible news Corp and any Murdoch organisation.

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art vanderlay | 25 January 2011 - 7:35pm

What he said this weekend just past

was wrong, as was his behaviour a month or so back and which has only now come to light.

Assuming he had a clean disciplinary record, however, sacking someone without a warning and without attempting remedial action seems draconian. I'm not sure it constituted Gross Misconduct (i.e. instant dismissal) and the incident suggests to me that Sky might need to have a look at it's own culture (what's going on? why did it take so long for the 2nd incident to emerge?) and what part that had to play.

How many of us, even if we dropped a major clanger, would be happy with the heave-ho and no attempt at a disciplinary warning the first time we were pulled up?

(And don't give me the "public figure" or "large salary" arguments: the former can apply to a shop assistant and the latter doesn't put you somewhere there are different laws.)

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Mark JF | 25 January 2011 - 8:40pm

Cannot stand him, if only

Cannot stand him, if only the BBC would do likewise with Alan Green. Richard Keys' comments were actually worse and he is also meant to be a right tosser.

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woodface | 25 January 2011 - 8:53pm

At least if Keys stops shaving

He has a new career as a gorillagram.

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GunsOfBrixton | 25 January 2011 - 9:35pm

Bad for business

Surely it's a simple case of being bad for business? The Murdoch empire, and Sky in particular is about maximising revenue. It wouldn't take a lot of mobilising in reaction to the perceived sexist stance for women to take their subscritions elsewhere. I would have thought a campaign on mumsnet would have done the trick

The point is, this stuff sticks. The only way they can get out of the current mess is to rid themselves of the immediate problem, which sends out a message saying "look, we dealt with it"

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Vince Black | 25 January 2011 - 8:58pm

double standards

I assume they will now remove the soccerette feature from soccer am which looked out of date years ago and has always let the show down

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bert fegg | 25 January 2011 - 9:00pm

Kelly Cates's tweets

"This is not the week to say that I am torn between end of Arsenal v Ipswich and a 14 stone Gypsy Wedding dress that LIGHTS UP! *finds ch4+1*"

and

"*correction* Blackpool v Man Utd now. Three things! It's a good job we women can multi task ;)"

Her dad was never this funny.

ps

It's Gray not Grey.

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MichaelM | 25 January 2011 - 9:14pm

Not so sure about that

I understand that KK opened his press conference by asking a Sky hack if he was OK have female journos in proximity to him.

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sitheref2409 | 26 January 2011 - 2:37pm

Alan Green...

..once referred to former Manchester City defender Sun Jihai as "number 19, chicken Chow Mein" during a Manchester Derby match (how many listeners to that one. On air.) and nothing happened. Nothing at all. Funny, that.

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Richie B | 25 January 2011 - 9:16pm

Who'll replace him?

I think they ought to get a woman in to do it. One with really big knockers. Phwoar!

I didn't bother taking my coat off, I'll be off.

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Buxton | 25 January 2011 - 9:37pm

Can't believe the number of apologists for Gray in this thread

If you heard him 'down the pub' saying this to your daughter I'm sure you would laughed along....

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uproar13 | 25 January 2011 - 10:14pm

I like Andy Gray

and usually find him funny, but the three recent incidents we've seen on the news were disgraceful, not to mention downright ugly and nasty. Sacking those two was the only right thing to do I think.

The man clearly has no respect at all for women.

And there's more than a grain of truth to this

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mojoworking | 26 January 2011 - 5:35am

Reading

various articles in the Guardian today, it's fairly clear that Andy Gray and Richard Keys were not much loved by their colleagues at Sky and clearly someone took the opportunity to stitch the pair up. Having said that, I can only have limited sympathy for a man who was being paid a small fortune a year for a job he obviously loved. People get unfairly sacked all the time, and most are not on the colossal earnings enjoyed by Andy Gray.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 26 January 2011 - 12:51pm

I suspect he has two courses of action

1. Making a contrite documentary, where he goes on a personal journey to confront his sexist attitudes. Followed by an appearance on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here

2. Getting a job on talkSPORT

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Brookster | 26 January 2011 - 1:03pm

He'd be perfect for Talksport.

I've been in their offices a few times over the years and if anyone cared to record some of the off-air "banter" there, they'd have enough material for dozens of sackings.

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Auntie Beryl | 26 January 2011 - 2:05pm

i'd sack keys, too.also

i'd sack keys, too.

also lineker, shearer, hansen, lawrenson, dixon, townsend, redknapp, claridge etc etc.

"let's analyse the opening goal"

[footage begins]

"see, what the lad's done here is pick the ball up in his own half and sprayed it out wide. he then makes the run into the box to meet the ball with his head and it's in the back of the net."

yes, mr pundit, i know. i saw it happen.

less punditry, more footy footage.

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nickbutt66 | 26 January 2011 - 1:22pm

Lee Dixon

I don't disagree with your general point but i will have to stand up for Lee Dixon here (I'm not an Arsenal supporter,Luton town for my sins),for me he is one of the standouts of the newer pundits.Always seems to make some very good points.He also writes a very good column in the Independent on a Saturday,which is worth a read.

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heathwilliams | 26 January 2011 - 1:57pm

I agree with this

Lee Dixon does seem to be better than the others but I do worry that this may be just by comparison.

Punditry does seem to be a job for life sometimes. Hansen and Gray were good once but they seem to have become complacent and stuck in their various tropes. At least, I now have an idea what one of them has to do to get sacked.

But they must presumably be popular with most viewers or else why would the producers stick with them?

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Werewolf | 26 January 2011 - 2:24pm
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