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Great miscastings of our time
Posted by Austin on 5 November 2011 - 11:51pm.
I was just reading about Reg Varney on another thread and it made me wonder about when - perhaps - the casting went a bit wobbly. Reg's character in On the Buses was a single man, living at home with his mum and sister, who had an eye for the ladies - he was often found gropin' at the back of the bus with a new 17 year-old clippy. So why did they cast a 53 year old man for that role?
It's not just the writing, it's the actors themselves that make something great. Dad's Army, for example.
I do think that tricks were missed in the past where, I think, the wrong person was cast. Bridget Jones and Luke Skywalker also spring to mind. Any others?
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Jack Nicholson
Was first choice for Col Kurtz in Apocalypse Now. He'd have lit up those scenes in the temple like a napalm strike.
Instead we got a mumbling fat man.
...in the bathtub... With the blues...
The Joker
The above-mentioned Mr. Nicholson was appalling as the Joker in the first modern(ish) Batman film. He basically played Jack Nicholson as done by Mike Yarwood with some facepaint. I always thought Peter Cook would have made an excellent Joker in his "Mr. Jolly Lives Next Door", mode. Unfortunately he wasn't a very good actor and he would have had an even bigger beergut than Nicholson around the time of the first Tim Burton Batman...as for Michael Keaton as Batman/Bruce Wayne - total miscasting.
Keaton was alright
and I think he'd have been better if the film hadn't been helmed / ruined by Tim Burton. Keaton can do "dark" very well (see "Clean And Sober") which is not something that you can say about Val Kilmer. Both he and Clooney were REALLY miscast as Wayne.
I like Burtons Batman Films
Agreed JN was not great. Thought Keaton was OK. Danny De Vito was excellent as Penguin.
If Burton was making them today we may have had Johnny Depp as Batman/Bruce Wayne. I would have like to seen that! I think he would have been very good.
As for The OP and miscasting pretty much anything that Keanu Reeves is in with the exception of Bill and Ted.
Speaking of casting and Batman
A friend's sister was briefly engaged to a fellow who worked in film special effects. Only met him the once and decided I hated him upon hearing that among other things, he had to make a full body cast of Michelle Pfeiffer for Batman Returns (so that the wardrobe department could work up the Catwoman outfits in her absence, apparently)
Keaton
One of the best. Definitely up there with Bale, who loses points for his silly "Batman voice". Great films.
George Lazenby As 007
I like Lazenby as Bond in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service', let me make that clear. But I do think he was miscast. He strikes me as a really strange choice for the role - after Sean Connery had made such an impact in the earlier films, here you get a man who has the look, but doesn't quite have the same kind of screen presence or charisma. He does his best, but never quite fits the role in the same way the other actors did. It would have been interesting to see how he'd have developed in further films, but of course, he'd already decided not to return by the time OHMSS was released...
Also, in a similar vein to the Reg Varney one above, Trevor Bannister as the junior salesman Mr Lucas in 'Are You Being Served?' - he was pushing 40 at the time, although he's clearly meant to be playing a character at least 15 years younger...
I think thats completely deliberate though
The panto/end of the pier show aspect to lecherous blokes in old sitcoms requires that they AREN'T attractive, it takes the edge off their predatory pursuit and makes it harmless and ridiculous.
He's supposed to THINK he's hot stuff rather than actually BE hot stuff (with no disrespect to the late Mr Bannister)
See what you mean
Although Reg seemed to get his tie pulled askew and his hat tilted by quite a few clippies half his age, if I remember correctly.
Oh I'm sure you're right
Its just more comedic/less threatening if he's a bit ridiculous
I thought
everyone, including the clippies, was fairly seedy, down at heel and, at best, only blowsily attractive in a scrubberish kind of way . I'm not including Brylcreemed Reg among the last category.
Timothy Dalton was horrible..
I smoked a joint before going to see one of his 007 movies back in the day and just about everything presented on the screen left me shaking my head in disbelief at the vapidness of it all. Edit: After watching this I've altered my opinion a bit..maybe shouldn't have smoked that weed..lol.
"The Living Daylights"
is the only Bond film I've ever seen. Beautiful photography (I saw it at the cinema when it came out), but it never made me think, "I must watch the others."
The coolest kid in 5C
David Barry was actually 28 when supposedly a fifth-former at Fenn Street. Age miscasting, yes, but character - absolutely not...
Olivia Newton John played a high school girl in Grease
She was 30.
Stockard Channing was 34!
Mind you
I was 11 and she was pretty hot.
Watching the detectives
John Hannah was/is too fresh-faced and athletic to play Inspector Rebus on ITV.
Hale & Pace as Dalziel and Pascoe anyone?
H&P as D&P
I remember being pleasantly surprised when I saw the Hale & Pace version of Dalziel and Pascoe, bearing in mind I never found their sketch show remotely funny. That said, I would have no wish to see it again now. It simply passed a couple of hours at the time.
My nomination would go to Manning Redwood, who played one of the incarnations of J. Washburn Stoker in "Jeeves & Wooster." He looks and sounds as though he is reading his lines from boards, and thus poses none of the physical threat to Wooster that the character is supposed to command.
Hannah/Rebus
Hannah bought the rights from Rankin for the dramatisation as he was such a fan.
I still think that whilst, yes clearly too young, Hannah captured more about the Rebus character than Ken Stott ever could.
Not entirely one way traffic
Ian Rankin has said that he regrets making Rebus so old from the start of the series. In which case a younger actor brings something different to the role.
What these films do have going for them are storylines that follow the plots of the books more faithfully than the later versions with Ken Stott, and they have the advantage of running for 100 mins rather than 50 mins. Some of the later stories are so compressed that they barely make sense.
Too athletic?
Didn't Rebus come within a failed psych test of being in the S.A.S. or the Paras or somesuch?
Would he have gone to seed that badly as a plod?
Leslie Grantham (Dirty Den)
was considered as Rebus. WTF?
More like it....(visually)
No idea on the accent mind.
Are you sure Six?
He`s a bit pointy somehow. I imagine Rebus to be more well rounded what with his pints and stuff.
But a cockernee Rebus? No, no and no.
Juan Foot In The Grave?
Apparently, Andrew Sachs was the original choice to play Victor Meldrew.
Kirk Douglas who bought the rights to 'One Flew Over Cuckoo's Nest' wanted to play McMurphy until his son convinced him he was too old for the role.
Andrew Sachs as Victor Meldrew?
What's that? You boffed my granddaughter?
I Don't Believe It!
"He's gonna die soon and he's not interested"
Lawrence Olivier, Robert Redford, Steve McQueen, Anthony Perkins and Mia Farrow - this could have been the cast for which movie classic?
wow
I didn't know that. (It's The Godfather - I googled) - what a different film that would have been.
Redford
Robert Redford also badly wanted to play Benjamin in The Graduate. He was dissuaded by wiser heads who asked him, 'Robert, have you ever been turned down by a woman in you life?' Redford is supposed to have replied, 'What do you mean?'
That sounds like the studio's choice
given the perfect cast Coppola ended up with. He also fought for Nino Rota to do the score over Henry Mancini, the studio's choice
On the radio
The Dirk Maggs adaptation of Douglas Adams' Dirk Gently was utterly ruined by casting Harry Enfield as Dirk. The rest of the cast were pretty good, but Enfield (who I normally don't mind at all) turned in one of the single worst performances of his career. He sounded flat, stilted and just totally off the pace of what was going on.
The first Dirk Gently is one of may favourite novels ever and this just stomped on it like an elephant with gout.
Noel Coward
was famously up for being casted as Bond villain, Dr No in Dr No (1962)
He responded, "No, no, a thousand times... NO!"
Joseph Wiseman stepped in.
Dawn Penn was unavailable at the time. HaaaaaAAAAaaGHhhha.*
*6Music Jon Holmes can have that gag.
I actually think he's miscast in the Italian Job
He's hilarious mind, and its a lot of fun all round, but he and Benny Hill both bend the mood out of shape on a few occasions.
Maybe its just that I liked Peter Vaughan as Grouty in Porridge so much - and I think that is what Mr Bridger should have been like.
Dads Army
John Le Mesurier and Arthur Lowe were originally cast as their opposite characters (Sgt. Wilson and Captain Mainwaring).
Regarding Bond, I think Roger Moore was the original first choice but was unavailable due to work with The Saint.
Bob Holness
played Bond as early as 1956 in a radio adaptation of Moonraker. Imagine if he had been cast for the movies as well.
And he could have played the sax solo in the theme too
Think of the royalties
As soon as I saw the name 'Bob Holness'
I thought 'sax solo'.
Thank you, Mr Maconie.
I was always under the impression
that the original choice for Bond was Patrick McGoohan (who would have been great) – at least in terms of being offered the part.
Edit: If the Wikipedia page is accurate, Cary Grant, Richard Johnson, Patrick McGoohan, David Niven, Richard Todd and Roger Moore were all considered. Plus a model called Peter Anthony who was screen-tested.
Patrick McGoohan
would have been great - but the series would never have lasted. He would have shown Bond as the sadistic psycopath that he actually is - which Sean Connery manages to charm over. And I love Bond movies btw.
My GLW is an adherent to the belief that "James Bond" is a cover name, just the same as 007, M and Q. Hence the different actors...
James Bond
Timothy Dalton was considered/asked on 4 separate occasions to be JB.
Daniel Craig...
...as James Bond.
Anyone who tries to look hard but ends up pouting (see above) just can't be James Bond.
For me, Daniel Craig will always be...
... Geordie Peacock
Martine McCutcheon
In absolutely everything.
Breakfast At Tiffany's
I agree with Capote - Marilyn Monroe would have made a more credible Holly than Hepburn (good as Hep was).
And Lenny Henry
Would have made a more credible Mr Yunioshi than Mickey Rooney.
Thank you for reminding me!
A while back, Radio 3 did a big, prestige play about the political activism of Paul Robeson. They got Lenny Henry, hot from doing "Othello", to play Robeson.
It was excruciating, and I gave up after half-an-hour of listening to Mr. Henry "doing" Robeson in the same voice he used to use for Algernon Razzmatazz on "Tiswas."
Still, I never knew Paul Robeson was from Dudley.
I wonder sometimes
Was Tiswas the career peak for Lenny Henry, Bob Carolgees and Chris Tarrant?
Did any of them do anything better?
No.
They didn't.
And that's fact.
And Sally James
Perhaps somebody could post a picture?
Wot ?
This Sally James ?
http://sally-james.com/wp-content/gallery/promo-stills-bw/tiswas-studio-...
She runs a school uniform company now,
apparently.
Any excuse..
They don't make 'em like that on kids TV any more. And if they do, they don't let them pose in hotpants and thigh-boots for the delectation of pervy dads.
No
but it's not that long since the Minstry of Mayhem had Holly Willoughby gratuitously tottering around in a french maid's outfit. Oo er.
It was the only thing worth watching in MoM, mind. After that, it was straight back to Dick and Dom.
Coast to Coast
was thoroughly enjoyable.
You and me Both,sitheref2409
Coast to Coast was excellent.
Lenny Henry
Lenny Henry was terrific in "Coast to coast" - a 1987 BBC TV movie, but I cant think of anything else tho.
He was also in
Chef - first two series were actually pretty good and he was excellent. A prototypical Gordon Ramsey before most even knew or cared who Gordon Ramsey was. Not a flat out comedy role either- much more nuanced.
Also, in more "straight" acting he did a great turn in Alive and Kicking, about a recovering heroin addict. He also had a hand in the creation of Neverwhere, together with Neil Gaiman (which I didn't know till I checked).
I have to admit that, as time as gone on, I've liked his mainstream comedy less and less, but I've found him progressively more interesting as a performer as he seems to be much more amenable to taking risks now.
And he does the voices for Big and Small on CBeebies, which is ace.
Don't forget Bernard & The Genie.
The 13-year-old me thought that was AMAZING.
Well two of them
Used to be frequent visitors to a flat above mine in Salford Quays...
Oops
Double post.
Holly Golightly should have been a little wispy bloke anyway
Completely unconvincing that its a heterosexual relationship. AH is very VERY beautiful but wrong. Ditto in My Fair Lady
Supporting (mis)Casting
Billy Boyd as Bonden in 'Master and Commander' The film was a very good version of two of O'Brian's novels, but all I could see whenever Billy appeared was a hobbit trying to be a rough tough sailor, and missing by miles.
Keanu Reeves, why oh why?
Not so much miscast
As unwatchable in anything. Apart from the Bill And Ted films.
Temporal Anomaly
after you chronologically, but before in terms of reading the thread I have said almost exactly the same thing... we must be brothers.
Clive Owen in "Children of Men"
Damn good attempt from Clive, but just didn't have the range IMHO - now if they'd cast Ian Hart....
Brendan Gleeson...
... as Mad Eye Moody in Harry Potter. He's perfectly fine, but when I read the books I envisaged a more eccentric sort of character, and Gleeson plays it a bit too straight for my liking. I'd have gone for Billy Connolly, or perhaps Tom Baker.
Almost all of his screen time
he's not actually Moody, but Barty Crouch Jr.
Dustin Hoffman
was 40 in the Graduate. Anne Bancroft was 46...I can't imagine anyone who could have taken the role better than Hoffman, mind
Hoffman
He was perhaps a bit old, but you're 10 years out. He was born in 1937 and the film was made in 1967.
Doh...
...thanks, Carl. My maths isn't usually that bad
Anne Bancroft
Anne Bancroft - I would.
Gooedfellas
Joe Pesci was about 48 when he played 'Tommy' in Goodfellas who was meant to be 23. Hence the strained dialogue in the Billy Bats scene where they are actually about the same age but Billy's talking to him like he's a kid.
Also Scorsese's first choice for the Henry Hill role was Robert DeNero, who again would have been playing a kid in his 40s. DeNero saw sense and stepped into the side role of Jimmy Conway.
You wouldn't change a thing though.
Also Dirty Harry - a character synonimous with Eastwood - was created for Steve McQueen, who wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.
The Billy Bats scene, strained....
No way, that scene is a stone cold classic.
Now go get your Fucking shinebox, niscum.
it is classic you're right,
and strained is the wrong word. I was thinking 'incongruous' but that's not right either.
(edit eg Billy Bats: 'I used to fuck kids like him in the can. Seriously, fuck them in the ass')
And ... the youtube comments for that scene are funny: '72 people need to go home and get their shine box'
More "On The Buses" Age Shenanigans
The inverse of the Reg Varney (53) playing a character much younger (say 30/35 (ish)) was Stephen Lewis (Blakey).
Blakey is though to be, and certainly looks and acts like he's in his mid-fifties.
Stephen Lewis was only 35 when the series started
Likewise Bob Grant
who probably looked 50 even as a child, was 36 when it started. Having those gnashers and being prematurely grey probably didn't help.
Stephen Lewis's entry in the 2003 actors' directory, Spotlight, used a publicity shot from "On The Buses" taken in 1969, Luxton Bus Company cap and all.
Didn't 'Blakey'
write 'Sparrers can't sing'? (Joan Littlewood Theatre Company)
Yes, he did.
Odd how many of the original stars of Littlewood's company got typecast once they hid widespread fame.
Harry H. Corbett was praised by the original way in which he played Shakespeare, a lot of which technique he applied to his characterisation of Harold Steptoe, after which he found it difficult to get "legitimate" work again.
Likewise Bernard Bresslaw, Barbara Windsor and the aforementioned Lewis. Far be it from me to suggest that these actors only had one character in them (particularly Bresslaw, who was a fine serious actor when he wasn't in the Carry On films.)
The podgy, lispy
curly-haired kid who played 'Just William' on BBC recently was completely miscast. William Brown was a rough, tough, rebellious gang leader; not the type of kid who'd be beaten up for his lunch money on a daily basis.
Interesting fact (?) - actor who played George Roper appeared as Ginger in one of the early movies.
Shouldn't be allowed.
Robert Downey Jnr as Sherlock Holmes. Leave off.
it was ok
Certainly the best Guy Ritchie movie I've ever seen. But not a patch on Dominick Cumerbatch.
Disagree about Bridget Jones
I think it was an inspired choice. Old ferret face was a wonderful Bridget for me.
Don't really like her in many other roles (Cold Mountain aside) but I think she really captured the spirit of the character.
Yes
Renee Zellweger was good in Bridget Jones. And her English accent was spot on.
Granted, there are several English actors who could have done a better job, but could they have put bums on seats in the US?
You're all wrong about Keanu
Seriously. Okay, many of his performances were more wooden than a piece of two-by-four, but the man looks great and has star quality.
Even if he keeps making guff, we'll still love him for it. While better actors fall by the wayside, Keanu will live on. So will Sean Connery, despite him turning in the same performance film-after-film.
Tom Cruise
is producing the forthcoming Jack Reacher adaption. He has cast himself as the 6' 5" Reacher:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0790724/
bit of a stretch for him, I should imagine.
Wonder
if they are going to use the kind of special effects employed in Lord of the Rings?
Came in to say this.
I clicked on this link to propose this. It's going to be terrible. What a waste.
Not miscasting but
Norman Wisdom turned down the role of Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em.
Malcolm McDowell confessed to basing Alex from A Clockwork Orange on Eric Morecambe.
In Coronation St, Gail (Helen Worth} is only five years younger than her screen mother, Audrey (Sue Nicholls)
lets talk about Brad and Mel - dodgy accents
Brad Pitt. Totally miscast in "The Devil's Own", playing an Irish terrorist. The accent was frankly an affront to Irishmen (I am a native N Irishman and can speak with some authority on Ulster accents).
Then we have Mel Gibson in Braveheart. I'm no Scotsman but he sounded like he'd swallowed ten tins of shortbread, a gallon of cock'a'leekie soup washed down with a case of Glenfiddich. Scotsmen, do please tell me if I'm wrong.
Of course a thread like this must mention one of the greatest examples of miscasting in Hollywood history, John Wayne as a Roman centurion in "The Greatest Story Ever Told".
As the story goes, when director George Stevens was shooting the crucifixion scene, he thought Wayne was merely going through the motions and is said to have told him "Duke, more awe please, more awe".
When the cameras started rolling Wayne took his position and, gazing at Jesus in full death throes, exclaimed in his trademark drawl "AWWW, shurely this man is the son of Gawwd!"
everyone knows there are only 4 working actors
in Britain.
Ross Kemp a high powered barrister? Yes! Yes! Robson Green a clinical psychologist? Of course!
The other two are David Jason and Martin Clunes
Talking of Brad
Fight Club could have been a genuine classic rather than a pretty OK film if old cheekbones hadn't been making like Stallone on a lecture circuit for most of it. Wooden? You could see his nose growing.
That said, I struggle to imagine a better physical fit for the part. Tyler is suppose to be "handsome in that everything-blond way" according to Pahlaniuk, which fits, but he's just not clever-seeming enough to pull that character off convincingly. He's beautiful, but he's not charismatic.
Gus Van Sant's Psycho remake
Norman Bates was meant to be birdlike not beefcake.
Inbetweeners
According to latest Word, they are in their early-to-mid twenties. If the show was cast in 1969, we'd have had Terry Scott, Reg Varney, Norman Wisdom and Ronnie Corbett. Actually, that would have been brilliant.
And
Jimmy Clitheroe?
One other thing
I always thought that Mike the Cool Person in the Young Ones was a bit of a spare part. Could another actor have sprinkled some magic dust on it?
Mike from The Young Ones
was originally going to be played by The Comic Strip director/actor, Peter Richardson but he didn't see eye to eye with the producer, Paul Jackson and was recast at the last minute by Christopher Ryan.
I think you're a bit harsh on Mike. On repeated viewing, you realise how important his character is in the show to drive the thing along. I think Ryan is very underrated as an actor. He really shines in Jennifer Saunders' Absolutely Fabulous and The Life And Times of Vivienne Vyle.
Perhaps a bit harsh on reflection
There was comedy in the rest of them respecting the leadership and authority of such an obviously delusional bell end. If Peter Richardson had done it, he might actually have looked cool, which would have spoiled things.
Have we not covered
Bonfire of The Vanities yet? An entire film miscast.
Robert Mitchum
Much too old, I'm afraid, to play Philip Marlowe:
A troll? A jest?
Mitchum was nothing less than magnificent in Farewell My Lovely.
Having read all the Marlowe novels I don't ever recall Marlowe's age being mentioned. As he's never required to demonstarte any great athleticism I don't see the problem with an older actor. At the age of I think 57 Mitchum was hardly ancient.
The Usual Suspects.
Pete Postlethwaite? Didn't really chime, did it?
You had the sense that he felt the ridiculousness of it, but went along with things and thought of the paycheque.
Is it a joke?
I've often wondered if it was just Singer having a laugh. But then, of course, Kobayashi's not even called Kobayashi. He only speaks at all in Verbal's flashbacks, which only really exist in Verbal's imagination-embellished memory. He might not be supposed to be Japanese at all.
The Godmother
Hammer films were going to make a British gangster version and in the lead role was old Nellie Pledge herself,Ms Hylda Baker.
O J Simpson as the Terminator nearly happened.
As did
Patrick Swayze in Total Recall.
The ones that bug me
1. Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins. (That awful accent).
2. Mia Farrow as Daisy in The Great Gatsby (She's supposed to be different, thrilling, sassy, gorgeous: Mia Farrow is just dull as dirt in the role).
3. Sophia Coppola in The Godfather III (horrific acting, ruins the movie for me).
4. Kevin Costner in Robin Rood (again, accent trouble; although Alan Rickman makes the whole movie worth watching).
5. George Clooney as Batman (not a physical enough actor, or just not talented enough to pull off an action hero, because Michael Keaton wasn't an action hero before he did Batman and he handled the part believably).
6. Hayden Christensen in Star Wars (all 3 movies he was in).
7. Both actors who played Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. Neither one quite captured the character.
Hayden Christiensen...
...was only in two SW films ( unless you're counting the retconning of him into the ghost scene at the end of Jedi).
I loved Richard Harris as Dumbledore. Gambon not so much. I'd have loved Peter O'Toole to have taken it over.
Hayden
Funny I thought I recalled him having some small scene in Phantom Menace. But I confess I only bothered to watch that one once. Does Jar Jar Binks count as bad casting?
I liked Richard Harris much better, too. But he just seemed a bit too old for the part. He didn't have quite the energy it needed (not his fault of course, given his illness). But I thought Gambon was all wrong.
Jar Jar Binks counts as an atrocity.
It goes beyond miscasting. The entire idea for the character was an abomination.
Basically, George Lucas should have had his filmmaking licence revoked in 1985. It's not like we didn't know what was coming: the evil and mighty Empire was in large part toppled by the Build-A-Bear franchise. And when he brought out the first Special Editions, and we all vommed at the sight of Han (shitly) walking over the (shit) CGI Jabba, someone SHUUUUURELY should've done us all a favour and put a stop to further shititude.
Talk about pissing on a legacy. I just hope he doesn't try it again with yet another Indy.
*topples over out of sheer rage*
Sorry. I'm not even a sci-fi person. I just grew up with Star Wars, like so many others. The neckless, chinless, Mr-Whippy-haired bastard wants a slap, pronto. Even if it wouldn't undo all the horror he's perpetrated, it'd at least make me smile.
Build-a-Bear franchise
Thanks for the great laugh. I have never forgiven George Lucas for those god damn Ewoks either.
And Phantom Menace had such potential. Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor, for god's sake. How can a man who is smart enough to cast them in lead roles be stupid enough to create Jar Jar Binks? Plus, here he is the master of a simple storyline and in Phantom Menace he creates a storyline so complicated no one can follow what's happening. Bizarre movie in many ways.
As Tim from "Spaced" goes on to say...
...when being taken to task by Bilbo Bagshot, "Jar Jar Binks makes the Ewoks look like.... fucking... SHAFT!"
All that needs to be said, innit?
Harris is the only Dumbledore
Just as the then outrageously handsome Alec Baldwin is the only Jack Ryan, in the Hunt for Red October.
Sofia Coppola
I think your comments about Mia Farrow in Great Gatsby are more appropriately applied to Sofia Coppola. Its very difficult to buy the idea that she's this irresitibly gorgeous young thing.
I didn't have any particular problem with Mia Farrow. Daisy is essentially pretty but vacuous. Mia Farrow, intentionally or accidently, fulfils this role very well. This is part of Gatsby's folly - he's obsessing over someone whom it's not worth getting obsessed about.
Shallow Daisy
In the book, Daisy is supposed to be shallow, yes. But she's also supposed to be charming and lively and sassy. Mia Farrow's performance is just plain limp. As a viewer, I never could see why Robert Redford would be so dazzled by her. He was prettier than she was. For me, she's not beautiful enough or charming enough to make up for her vacuousness. So she takes me out of the story.
As for Sofia, she really is just terribly miscast, isn't she? I don't know how much better Winona Ryder would have been (it was originally her role until she dropped out) but she couldn't have been any worse than Sofia Coppola.
Sofia's bad luck
I feel a bit sorry for Sofia C, which may sound odd given that she has had many advantages in life and is now a filmmaker in her own right. But (and I've said this before here) I think she was dealt a crap hand for Godfather 3: she was offered the part very late in the day - indeed, could we describe it as an offer she couldn't refuse?? - and was woefully inexperienced as an actor. Maybe her dad was so used to dealing with heavyweights that he didn't have the sensitivity or skill to coax a better performance out of her.
Anyway, she wasn't the worst actor in that film, that honour going to Al Pacino for his atrocious turn. Really, he was awful, wasn't he?
Yes he was
But at least he delivers that one great line in Godfather III: "Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in."
It's amazing how often that line comes in handy in daily life. I use it all the time, though not as much as I use that John Cusack line in Say Anything ("YOU MUST CHILL," helpful for calming kids) or certain Star Wars lines ("You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy" can be applied in a wide range of settings).
That line
is of course Silvio Dante's party piece in The Sopranos.
Also - on a tangent, but best line in the Sopranos was Christophers excuse for being late for a meeting with Silvio and Tony.
"Sorry I'm late. The highway was jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive"
I recently read "The Godfather Book", and...
... the basic story seems to be that Francis F-C was feeling very beleaguered by the studio from day 1, having accepted a huge payday and a stupid deadline to try and get the film out in time for Oscar season. Everything was going wrong already, and Winona Ryder going sick was the last straw, so rather than audition new actresses and set himself up for more stress and delay the shoot, he chose someone who was on-set, available immediately, and who he knew wouldn't give him any trouble, i.e. his daughter. He now regrets putting her in that position, but won't have a word said against her performance...
Synchronicity
Daisy was an answer to a question on last night's University Challenge (complete the love triangle of Tom, Gatsby & ?).
John Barrowman
as the lead in a sci-fi thriller. Even one as bad as Torchwood. Also that Minder re-make with Shane Ritchie. And Christopher Eccleston - a good actor but totally not Doctor Who.
I love Ecclestone's Doctor.
He just needed more time. Tennant, in retrospect, was horribly over-rated, although a lot of that is the fault of the writing.
Eccleston struggled with the comedy bits IMO
I like Tennant, but prefer Matt Smith.
For me, Christopher Eccleston will always be...
Nicky Hutchinson
Unworthy thought but
Is that a Morrissey syrup?
Out of interest...
... did you watch the 'Minder' remake? It got slated by a lot of people before it even aired, and I do wonder how many of them actually bothered to watch it. As someone who's very fond of the old series, but not by any means a 'fan', I thoroughly enjoyed it. Best thing Channel 5 have done in their generally pretty lacklustre history, I think...
I think you may have a point
I saw it in snatches (in other places, for many reasons I can't even receive ch5 where I am now, don't have access to cable and can't fit a dish).
While it wasn't the greatest thing ever written, it certainly wasn't irredeemably awful and did show some promise. however, as seems to be the case now, if something is not instantly a hit, it's pulled. It seems that those commissioning shows have a shorter attention span than the audience now...
I loved Eccleston
But thought Tennant was wide eyed and over the top (but I'm not really a Dr Who fan).
Sometimes I think
I was miscast in my own life.
The thread
is three days old and yet no mention of Leonardo DiCaprio who looks like he has wandered on to every film set as though he has lost his way from a school play.
Whatever great acting chops he may have his physical appearance can never win me over for roles where he is playing someone over 18.
I feel the same
about George Clooney. With his smug, self-satisfied demeanour and impossible good looks, he never looks convincing in any role other than perhaps male model.
Clooney
Didn't you see Goodnight and Good Luck, where Clooney directed himself in the supporting role as Fred Friendly who was chubby and uncertain? Definitley not self satisfied.
Goodnight and Good Luck?
Isn't that what the parents used to say when they dropped their children off at Michael Jackson's house for one of his famous sleep-overs?
"See you tomorrow kids. Goodnight and good luck!"
Out of Sight
He was great in Out of Sight -- the only decent movie Jennifer Lopez ever made. The two of them had crazy chemistry and he was well cast as this smart yet somewhat inept thief.
I never thought much of him
until I saw "Catch Me If You Can" on the telly (a film I'd never really fancied). It's great - and he's excellent in it. But I can see what yuou mean - he looks too clean cut and preppy to play anything more grizzly than someone just out of high school.
I rate Clooney extremely highly.
"Syriana" and "Good Night And Good Luck" were great, great films, and he was anything but the chiseled showboat in those. And even when he IS the chiseled showboat, he's basically perfect. Find me a more likeable, funny and downright cool con than Danny Ocean and I'll give you a tenner.
He consistently plays against type, and I reckon he does it bloody well.
Challenge accepted.
What about
Ulysses Everett McGill, complete with his Dapper Dan hair pomade?
"IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII am a man, of constant sorrowwwwwwww...."
I can't agree with this
for the simple reason that Di Caprio is slowly morphing into former chancellor Norman Lamont.
Sometimes people realise in time...
When the TV version of Brideshead Revisited began filming, Anthony Andrews had been cast as Charles and Jeremy Irons as Sebastian; luckily the producer thought "I'm sure there's a way we could use these two actors even more effectively", and decided it might be fun to swap them over. I doubt that happens very often, and even less often with the result that it's BAFTA nominations all round.
Did you see JI in 'Who do you think you are?' recently
You're quite right - he would have been perfect as the slappable conceited self-adoring loser ponce Sebastian
Aiden Gillen as Tommy Carcetti
in The Wire. Far too young. Just takes the dash of realism off the finest two series.
Some directors have a fascination with fresh faced young actors in leading roles that don't really work. DiCaprio and Reeves in particular as jimmyshoes mentions above. Fantastic in "Catch Me If You Can" but hopelessly miscast in "The Departed" and "The Aviator".
Anyone see Reeves turn as Jonathan Harker in the otherwise excellent, Dracula? I'm sure he played it for laughs.
Diane Keaton in "The Godfather". Not sure whether it's a miscast or just that she was so wooden, Muffin The Mule would have walked away with an Oscar given that dialogue.
Tommy Carcetti too young?
Tony Blair UK PM at 44, David Cameron UK PM at 43. Tommy Carcetti mayor of Baltimore in his late 30s. It's hardly a stretch to imagine that.
Looked mid 20's to me.
Tops. Young voice too. Carcetti as a character is fine. The actor chosen to play him was wrong.
Actors with great teeth...
...playing drug addicts/hi-rise dwellers/down n outs. As seen in every UK TV detective show.
Any dentists here? Yellowy, crooked, temporary crowns....Dragons Den....I'm going to make you an offer.
Best Teeth (sorry Tooth) In A Movie?
Ron Pearlman in The Name Of The Rose.
England captain....
....John Terry.
Who ever thought that was a good bit of casting?
On the other hand
He was very good as Jack's father in Lost.
As good a forum as any to mention Woody Allen's "September"
Filmed & finished with one cast, then ditched, re-written and re-filmed with a mostly new one:
Denholm Elliott replaced Charles Durning,
Jack Warden replaced Denholm Elliott's original role,
Elaine Stritch replaced Maureen O'Sullivan,
Sam Waterston replaced Sam Shepard (and Christopher Walken who did a few weeks' work before Woody decided he wan't right for the role.)
Still not a great film, but probably better than you remember...
Mikael Blomqvist
Has anyone on the board seen any of the Swedish films based on the Stieg Larsson trilogy (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo et al)?
The Blomqvist character in the books is in his forties, but plainly attractive to women (hence his constant womanising in all three books).
The films, meanwhile, cut out most of the womanising, probably for understandable reasons (there's an awful lot of plot to squeeze into the films). So who do they cast as the middle-aged sex-on-a-stick?
Well, I suspect that Michael Nyqvist
was originally cast in "Män som hatar kvinnor" simply because, by the modest standards of Swedish cinema, he's a big, bankable name with many successful films behind him ("Så som i himmelen," "Tillsammans," "Grabben i graven bredvid," etc.).
But I agree that he may not be the sexiest middle-aged male actor in Sweden. Perhaps they should have cast Michael Persbrandt instead?
Daniel Craig
is playing Blomqvist in the Hollywood remake. Who is someone, at least, I can imagine middle-aged women throwing themselves at.
Being attractive to women
is not all to do with physical appearance.
As I'm sure a lot of you are very aware of...;-D
PS Daniel Craig is ugly!