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Good headphones/hearing music properly

Andrew Bradley's picture

Earlier today I played the new Son Volt album on standard iPod headphones. I tend to use them because they are cheap and it doesn't matter if they get battered around. I can wind them around the pod and stick it in my pocket.

Anyway, the album sounded terrible.

Just came home and dusted off my Grado SR60s, as recommended to me by an American friend. The same album now sounds like the greatest thing I've heard all year. It lives and breathes. I feel like I'm in the same room that it was recorded in.

Forgive me for stating the obvious, but decent headphones really do make a difference. I wonder how much music gets overlooked just because of how we listen to it? It's all too easy to audition some music and move on, because it doesn't grab us, without the realization that we've ruined it for ourselves.

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Indeed.........

.........if you want decent headphones for an ipod get yourself some Sennheiser PX200 Closed headphones or a pair of AKG K430's.

I've never used the standard ipod headphones, had several pairs or PX200's although they are a little flimsy and the lead is prone to splitting. Hence why I now use K430's. Superb ipod headphones.

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Almost Simon | 6 August 2009 - 6:36pm

PX200

I'd second the recommendation for those.
For home use it's my Sennheiser HD280s though - by a huge margin the best I could find for under £100. Be interested to try those Grados though. Not a name I'm familiar with.

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David Rothon | 6 August 2009 - 6:52pm

Entirely agree

I travel a lot, and for years I've been using whatever Richer Sounds sell at around £20 - generally Sennheisers. They are good value and if I lose them, it's not a disaster. I have also had a set replaced under warranty when they lost a channel after 8 months.

One recent set had changed dimensions and were uncomfortable in my ear after only a few minutes. I ended up giving them to my nephew (after I had cleaned them) and he was astonished by the difference this made to his listening.

I've got a pair of ipod headphones in my laptop case as emergency spares - that's the only time I would use them.

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el hombre malo | 6 August 2009 - 6:52pm

Bargepole looks

no further than the local Sennheiser emporium - there's none better,that's a fact.

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bargepole | 6 August 2009 - 6:53pm

Although our canine friends prefer...

the ERGO Model 1..

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duco01 | 7 August 2009 - 6:55am

Decent 'phones just magnify things.

The shite DAC and low bitrate in the iPod will never manage to make the music they reproduce sound anything other than adequate.

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Lenny Law | 6 August 2009 - 10:11pm

Good shout...

... I also wonder how many eureka moments have been lost due to crappy 128 MP3 files not doing the recordings justice.

(Legal note: all downloading is wrong, especially from iTunes.)

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Auntie Beryl | 7 August 2009 - 12:02am

this is the point

I'm starting to think this too. I've never been an audiophile in my life, but now... I'm starting to wonder. Former podcast guest Greg Milner's Perfecting Sound Forever has been a turning point for me.

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Andrew Bradley | 7 August 2009 - 6:42am

Anyone

who says that they "can't tell the difference" between mp3 and a decent hi-fi has got hearing difficulties. We're told that mp3 omits the frequency range which is inaudible to the human ear. That may be the case, but that doesn't mean you can't hear the difference. You can - and it isn't for the better.

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billyous | 7 August 2009 - 7:15am

I know what you mean...

but in some ways the best music has ever sounded to me was through the tiny transistor radio I was given as a present when I was around 10 years old. All these amazing crackling sounds coming through the speaker... an introduction to music that I wouldn't have swapped for the best stereo in the world.

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Patrick Crowther | 7 August 2009 - 9:30am

Well said that man!

I've tried several options of headphones myself. On the strength of a word magazine review a while back, I bought a set of shure headphones of the inner ear variety. Extremely uncomfortable with no bottom end to speak of. £160 totally wasted.

Recently I've been using the Bose headphones that fit the ear in the same way that the IPOD standard phones do but give a much more rounded sound. £70 fairly well spent there.

That said I find that even the IPOD standard are ok as long as you are surrounded by total silence (in bed usually). As Patrick says, some of the best musical experiences may well come from a very low fi source. I think the ear/brain adapts to the sound source and makes its own adjustments when processing the sound.

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Martin Simmonds | 7 August 2009 - 1:46pm

Transistors

Lets not forget that a huge number of records were produced for radio originally.

I loved my radio when I was a kid. I've a eq setting on iTunes that sounds as close to a mono transistor as possible.

A decent sound is a little wasted on my perforated eardrums anyway. Standing too close to both the amp and the drummer in crappy rehearsal rooms for too many years....

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SimonL | 7 August 2009 - 2:30pm

Sennheiser CX300

These work fine for me for general ipod use. I have also found that the sound quality for ipods can be helped a lot by some, not all, cd remasters i.e. Dylan sounds significantly better than my older cd versions, as do Talking Heads ( especially !) and many others. I was so disappointed with the old Waner Bros. Astral Weeks/Moondance sound quality that, whilst inebriated, I bought expensive Japanese only remasters of these two albums and regretted the outlay the following morning.However, I was amazed at the quality when they arrived. I find that good quality remasters help in general re. the ridiculous EU volume cap on ipods.

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RobertC | 7 August 2009 - 2:50pm

Pixies

I forgot to mention the Death To The Pixies cd collection. As far as I'm aware it is the only remastered Pixies available, although for some reason this is not mentioned in cd info. I found this out on Google, bought it very cheap on Amazon, and there's one hell of a difference !

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RobertC | 7 August 2009 - 2:56pm

You think so?

I own the four studio albums and this remastered Best Of. I just put the volume up on the studio albums and they sound identical to the Best Of.

I have since made a more indepth Best Of playlist from the albums and now listen to that instead of Death To The Pixies.

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Pixies 1CD Best Of

From Come On Pilgrim

Caribou
Vamos (EP Version)
The Holiday Song
Nimrod's Son
Levitate Me

From Surfer Rosa

Bone Machine
Break My Body
Gigantic
River Euphrates
Where Is My Mind?
Cactus

From Doolittle

Debaser
Tame
Wave Of Mutilation
Here Comes Your Man
Monkey Gone To Heaven
Hey
Gouge Away

From Bossanova

Cecilia Ann
Velouria
Is She Weird
Dig For Fire

From Trompe Le Monde

Planet Of Sound
U-Mass
Letter To Memphis
Subbacultcha
Motorway To Roswell

From Complete B-Sides

Winterlong

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The following is some old stuff that I always like to cart out whenever someone mentions remastering (and Stimpy thinks I'm talking a right load of arse with this):

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Old CDs sound rubbish? Not really. 80's and early 90's CDs are just quiet. All you need to do is turn the volume up. Either manually by turning the volume nob or by using the iTunes volume enhancer*.

Neil Young has the quietest CDs ever released. They were mastered back in the 80's and they seem to sound like crap. Everyone carps on about how bad they are. I did the iTunes volume enhancer on the Harvest album etc and suddenly the songs sound EXACTLY THE SAME as the versions on the loudly remastered 2004 Best Of. The old versions had just as much punch, presence and vitality to them as the remasters. It was as if I was listening to a new remastered copy of Harvest.

That's on an iPod, so I wanted to test my CDs. I played a Joy Division song called "She's Lost Control" that I have on an old 80's album CD and on a recently remastered Best Of. At the same volume they sounded pretty much 99% identical. The 80's CD sounded a tiny bit muffled on the vocals and the drums had maybe 5% less whack to them. And those were the only differences I could tell by playing them back to back with each other. Without the direct comparison I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two. If both versions came up on shuffle on my iPod two tracks apart from each other then I wouldn't be able to pick out those differences.

When a song does come up on shuffle that I have on both 80's CD and 00's remastered form, I usually make a guess as to what versions I'm listening to. I then look and 50% of the time I guess wrong.

I repeated the above with "Life During Wartime" by Talking Heads. Vocals and drums sounded exactly the same on both versions.

Remastering is nice but it's not anywhere near as important as most people think it is. You would have to be a real proper audiophile to notice the differences during normal casual day to day playback. All you have to do is put the volume up.

Compare a song from the 80's CD to the 00's remaster. Can you hear a substantial difference?

*On iTunes highlight the album.

Right click and select Get Info.

Under the Options tab there is a volume changer bar.

Drag the volume marker to the desired point on the bar.

Click Okay.

From now on every time those songs play they will always play with that enhanced volume.

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There are two ways to remaster a CD. The usual way (as in 99.9% of the time) is to feed the final mix master tapes into the digitizing machine. The second, and much rarer, way is to remaster the various elements separately and then remix them to make a new master copy with a different mix.

The advantages of remixing are that the sound will be clearer. The possible downside is that as it's a new mix it might sound different to the previous version (such as setting 10 instead of the original setting of 6 being applied to the echo on the lead guitar etc). This can be good if you want to make changes to try and hide dated sounding drums or balance the vocals more naturally with the guitars etc. Obviously a complex song with hundreds of overdubs will be a bitch to remix. If it's a very famous song that people love they might dislike any differences they hear.

The new Beatles remasters are remixes, which is one of the reasons why it's taken about four years to be completed. So the sound quality should be clearer and better sounding. The possible draw back is that the songs might sound different to how you remember and love them.

I'm not saying remastering is bad. I like remastering. I'm just pointing out that it isn't going to make that big a difference to the sound quality in comparison to older CDs that you might be expecting. And if they go the expensive and time consuming direction of doing remixes, then you might not like the end results due to alterations that clash with how you remember a much loved song (Madonna's Immaculate Collection was remixed, or at least fed through the Q sound process, and not everyone likes the work done on that?).

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/weekly_article/imperfect-sound-fo...

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/soulseeking/imperfect-sound-forev...

http://www.barrydiamentaudio.com/loudness.htm

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http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/staff_top_10/top-ten-worst-soundi...

"Massive Attack - Collected
This is oh-so-subtle, but it’s annoying. Take your CD of Mezzanine and take your CD of Collected, and play “Angel” back-to-back from one to the other. Notice how on the original album that ominous bass fades in from nothing; sense how deep it goes; see how sharp the rimshot is; feel the air around the bass drum and the shock of the guitars entering. But from this year’s beautifully-packaged Best Of, surreptitiously remastered, the bass is jarringly there from the get go, all width and no depth; the rimshot is flabby and indistinct; and there’s no sense of air or space. It’s like that for the rest of the CD."

I agree, the original album CD does sound better. On the remastered version the bass isn't as deep and the drumming doesn't have quite as much impact. Though you would have to be a person of remarkable hearing to tell the difference without doing a direct comparison with a description of what you're looking for. The point about the opening starting with silence is just that the original has five or so seconds of nothing before the music starts, while on the remastered version the song begins immediately.

Only an obsessive who isn't listening to the song, but only the sound on a technical level, would ever notice and be bothered with these tiny piddly differences. A bass note is a bass note, no matter how deep or shallow it goes.

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LOUDspeaker | 10 August 2009 - 2:41pm

Interesting...

The variable quality of individuals ipods seems to be a given fact these days, and I am referring to ipod volume only and are fully aware of settings/options etc.
Just to test that my eardrums are functioning correctly I have now downloaded the original cd versions of Here Comes Your Man, Monkey Gone To Heaven, Planet of Sound and Where Is My Mind, alongside existing Death To Pixies compiliation versions, and they are significantly louder and punchier! This applies to other tracks as previously mentioned, and the Van Japanese remasters are vastly superior on my Music system.

Anyway, I am always trying to buck the EU volume cap re. older cd's not being loud enough on my ipod, and in some cases this definitely works. As already suggested, I think it may involve the particular ipod as this has, in some cases, made my volume quality much better.

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RobertC | 7 August 2009 - 3:38pm

Headphones

Agree about the standard iPod headphones - not good at all. Noise reducing headphones make all the difference, particularly if you listen to your music on the move (train, bus, plane etc.) or if you have noisy neighbours, a houseful of kids, or a particularly aggressive FPO. They cut out most of the background crap so your hear more of your music. I've got Sennheiser NoiseGard Advance and they're the best headphone investment I ever made. They have proper over-ear soft leather-padded ear pieces and a natty foldaway action so you can pop them in a pocket, or place them in the case provided.

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Baskerville Old Face | 7 August 2009 - 3:40pm
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