Gig ticket prices

Tickets for Neil Young's Hammersmith shows are from £55 (somewhere near the roof) to £75 (most seats). So with various Ticketmaster fees it's over £85 for a decent ticket.

It's not just Neil though, is it? Ticket prices seem to have sky-rocketed in recent years. I suppose the prices charged by touts on ebay have shown artists and promoters how much the market can stand, but I for one am glad I saw most of the artists I want to see when prices were rather more affordable.

I too was taken aback by

I too was taken aback by these prices. And is the entire venue seated for the night? I might have to forego seeing Neil on this occasion,

Martin_Horsfield | 14 December 2007 - 5:10pm

"play the ones we know.."

How much can Neil Young etc charge before people start complaining he doesn't play his hits and that he wants the bars shut while he's playing? £55 quid for his "challenging" "brave" new material.
Don't get me started on booking fees on tickets Grrr.

Chris G | 14 December 2007 - 5:30pm

£75 for a decent seat is

£75 for a decent seat is too much even for a good seat in a venue that wasn't plagued by people talking, texting and waving their phones about. It works out at 50p per minute! He hasn't made a decent album since Sleeps With Angels and after suffering Greendale a few years back I'm in no hurry to hear (the not very good at all apart from one track) Chrome Dreams live in its entirety.

NeilJung | 19 December 2007 - 12:15pm

How much!

During my conversation with the Ticketmaster guy this morning i was taken aback by the £7 "service charge' for EACH of 4 tickets. He told me it was what the artist instructed Ticketmaster to add on to the ticket price for whatever reason to which i made a feeble joke about Neil being on his uppers! After i got off the phone almost £300 lighter of wallet i remembered the recent podcast tale about the "Tonight's the Night" gig and how i'd laughed out loud about contrary old Neil not giving his audience what they want. Well fuck that, i want Like A Hurricane, on guitar - not an old organ, or i won't be happy!

grac | 14 December 2007 - 6:14pm

How many???

good seats tickets for The Doors - or whatever it is they are calling themselves these days were going for £75 plus extras...for that sort of money I'd want the Lizard King's skeleton exhumed and on stage, never mind him from The Cult.

yankeeragu | 14 December 2007 - 7:33pm

Doors

I seem to remember that tickets for the "Doors" Roundhouse New Year's Eve show last year were £99 each. I received an email from an agency last December offering two tickets for the price of one, so presumably they didn't sell.

Recent prices I can recall are £60 for Lou Reed, £75 for Tom Waits, and £57.50 for Springsteen (all plus exorbitant fees).

And of course £135 for Zeppelin - no shortage of takers for those. The mind boggles as to how much they'll charge if they do ever tour.

Just had a look at the Ticketmaster site and there seem to be plenty of Neil Young tickets available. I bet if they'd been a reasonable price it would be sold out already.

One other thing about American artists charging high prices in the UK - when they take what they've earned back home and exchange it for dollars, the current exchange rate must make playing over here a very attractive proposition.

Johan | 14 December 2007 - 8:32pm

£65?

Or three home games at Portman Road. You never know who's going to be in the line up there either, although I understand Alan Lee breaks out the banjo occasionally too. Wouldn't it be nice if a roadie held up a board announcing how long there is to go after about an hour and a half?

skirky | 14 December 2007 - 8:43pm

Obscene but...

It's obscene pricing, but I think his last UK tour was 2003? If it's five years between tours, I doubt there will be that many more chances to catch him in the UK.

Due to the price, I'm having to go on my own which I don't often do. I wouldn't mind this too much but unfortunately it's all seated, so all the advantages of going alone dissapear!

kidpresentable | 15 December 2007 - 1:01am

It's because...

..none of them are making money on records any more.
..and somehow the "money men" have realised that people WILL pay these prices.

shane pacey | 15 December 2007 - 6:10am

Everybody should take this on the chin

I don't know how these prices are arrived at but you have to face th fact that:
a) whatever the face value is, some people will pay nearly twice as much to a tout or on eBay
b) the artist should make it their business to know what the ticket price is and come to some view as to whether it's a price they're comfortable charging. It's no point blaming it on "the money men".
c) we, the audience, should stop acting like panic shoppers who've heard a rumour of a water shortage. (Mark Ellen and I both interviewed Bo Diddley during what was supposed to be his last tour of the UK. That was 30 years ago and he's still going strong.) And so what if you have never seen so-and-so? There's no point in making yourself feel indignant or poor about it?

David Hepworth | 15 December 2007 - 10:59am

Points taken, David, but ...

... imagine you're a teenager whose father has introduced you to Dylan or Neil Young. You're now a big fan, and you'd like to see them play. That's just natural, isn't it?

And it's not really like Bo Diddley thirty years ago, as Bo was what, 40-something then?. Both Dylan and Neil Young are well into their 60s and both nearly died a few years ago, so without being morbid about it this really could be your last chance. But it's tough luck, unless you're a teenager who happens to have £85 to spare.

As you say, If Neil doesn't know about these prices then he really should. It's not like he needs the money. If he'd charged £50 for a good ticket, which is still a lot of money, then I'd never have started this thread as it wouldn't have seemed so abnormal these days, unfortunately. But £55-£75 plus fees is a lot.

Johan | 15 December 2007 - 11:21am

I feel a lot better about it now!

Just pulled this from Ticketmaster's site:

Neil Young will perform two sets; the first an acoustic performance and the second an electric set backed by a full band consisting of Ben Keith (guitar), Rick Rosas (bass) and Ralph Molina (drums). The tour also has an exciting support artist in the shape of YoungÂ’s wife Pegi, who recently released her self-titled debut album, and will be performing with Anthony Crawford.

grac | 15 December 2007 - 4:56pm

It comes down to 'the extras' really.

£10 for a gig is fine for a gig at a university, but when it mysteriously becomes £18 by the end of the checkout process you have to wonder just how much the cost of sticking a bit of paper into an envelope is - and how come it apparently costs more in service fees to put a £50 ticket in an envelope than a £10 one? Surely the process is the same?

I wish more would use wegottickets - they don't issue paper tickets, they just give the organiser a list. They also charge a minute booking fee. No touts because you need to give your name and show the card, and happier punters who haven't been brutally taken from behind by Ticketmaster.

It wasn't so bad when you had an option between Ticketmaster and either a)going to the venue or b) using their box office, but now most venues are of a characterless Beername YourTown Shed type formula (thanks, ClearChannel for your love of live music) but now either the tickets sell out in 0.2 seconds and then appear on Ebay as if by magic, or they simply don't have box offices at all (or get a pitiful allocation from the promoter). Count how many venues you go to regularly where you can still buy a ticket for face value for cash...

I respect what you're saying, David, but tickets don't have to be as expensive as they are, but the way they're being sold makes matters worse. Even in my comparatively limited 15 years of gig going, it's risen massively.

Or if we're going to accept all these service fees, let's start having them provide a service - a legitimate way for us to get our money back for shows we can't go to - phones that are answered quickly and politely, websites that don't melt when a few thousand people would rather like to see Take That - tickets that arrive on time.

Then there's the new gigging class system. Is there a pre-sale? Is there a fan-club pre-sale? Which ticket agency is most in with the promoter - is it SeeTickets? Is it Ticketmaster? Who's going to have a decent allocation? Will there be a golden circle? Is there a VIP package which allows the deranged to have a bit of a buffet and get into standing 20 minutes early for £150? The world's gone mad.

itf | 16 December 2007 - 5:13pm

Someday your Prince will come.........

To London and charge £31.21 for a high quality gig. He has had a lot of shit thrown at him over recent years but deserves praise for this decent gesture. I am sure we would all be less inclined to carp about the prices of tickets if we could count on the quality but sadly that isnt always possible. Even the big name live acts fluctuate being brilliance and lamentable tosh - Bob Dylan being a chief culprit.

Steve Turner | 16 December 2007 - 5:56pm

It was also pragmatic - he'd

It was also pragmatic - he'd never have sold that many tickets at a higher price. Which actually cuts to the chase a little bit - bands don't want to play 3 nights in a town at £30 a night when they can play 1 at £90.

itf | 16 December 2007 - 6:13pm

It's the economy, stupid

These enormous ticket prices are dictated by the market. If the amount of money sloshing around in the bottom right-hand corner of the UK was somehow redistributed, ticket prices for London shows would reflect this. But when you've got 30000 people in Canary Wharf and the City trousering an average £500K each per annum you can't blame promoters, ticket agents and artists for wanting to relieve them of some of it. And if you're a fan, not a commodities broker or hedge fund manager who fancies being seen at a prestige gig, that's tough, I'm afraid.

johnsey | 16 December 2007 - 8:45pm

The gig going public has

The gig going public has changed but you can't blame Isle of Dog commodity traders for the cost of seeing Interpol in Blackpool the other night £30! As for service charges why no "surly goth cloak room attendent charge", why "not even apologising when you drop my change in my overpriced skiff of Red stripe that you took 2 minutes to badly and needlessly decant from it's warm can" charge.........

Chris G | 17 December 2007 - 12:31pm

David, I'm not "blaming" the money men...

..but in my experience, these big artists tend to keep themselves at least one cool remove from dirty financial dealings. This of course frees their lawyers, managers and accountants to direct the proceedings, and there are a lot more of THEM about now.

shane pacey | 17 December 2007 - 12:23am

I don't think that's true

They know exactly how much money they're making but they keep a distance from the details so they preserve deniability. When in the last 40 years did Neil Young ever pay money to go and watch a rock band from anything other than a privileged position? At least the accountants upon whom everything is blamed have spent some time in the general public.

David Hepworth | 19 December 2007 - 12:46pm