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Gig and festival violence

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If you were to fully immerse yourself in the Daily Mail, you'd think the country had never been so rotten and amoral.

However, I'm now thinking back to the 80s — my formative teenage years — when I first started going to gigs with my mates. And Christ, some of them were pretty rum — the nadir being a particular frightening outing to see The Macc Lads, where fights were breaking out all over the shop. Sometimes on stage.

Meanwhile, mid-80s to early 90s Glastonbury was certainly not the cosy, Daily Telegraph-friendly music festival it is today.

So share your musical horrorshows here. And weigh it against the typical complaints of these times: people talking too loudly and holding their smartphones in the air.

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Bad Manners

I went to a Bad Manners gig, probably 1980 maybe 81 at the Electric Ballroom. Normally I would have been down the front but something told me to stay near the bar area. I've never seen so much blood at a gig. Once that band came on it seemed that the bouncers were pulling blood stained people out all the time and chucking them out of a side door.
At the old Hemel Hempstead Pavilion I saw Feargal Sharkey jump off the stage in the middle of the set to break up a fight in the audience. Back in those days there were far less instances of bouncers on the floor and there were rarely, if ever barriers at the front of the stage for security people to stand.

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JohnW | 19 January 2012 - 8:17am

Never seen so much blood?

Given the proximity of Mr Bloodvessel, are you sure it wasn't baked beans?

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Moose the Mooche | 19 January 2012 - 2:38pm

Worked at A Macc Lads gig

In Brighton in the Mid 80s.
How can I put this Politely ?.....Total Twunts,
Not hard in any sense of the Word,neither were their fans. The Band tried to Steal stuff from the Bar and the managers flat. They were Crap and when they were caught red -handed thieving,they "Gave it the Big 'un" and the singer got a right-hander from the manager.
The police tried to stop the gig before it started,probably after protests from music lovers.
Scariest gig I went to was The Cockney Rejects in Birmingham,It Turned into a Football based riot between Birmingham City fans and West Ham fans. Not pretty.
Most Psychobilly gigs could get pretty Rough too.

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Sour Crout | 19 January 2012 - 9:33am

lead singer of Macc Lads - Muttley.

Real name : Tristran.

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badartdog | 21 January 2012 - 5:17pm

Who At Charlton 1976

There were lots of counterfeit tickets so the the place ended up stuffed to the gills, with lots of people locked out and not happy. I saw people on the outside trying to bring a fence down by throwing a chunk of railway sleeper at it. There was an undercurrent of menace about the whole thing, probably due to too many people being crammed into the stadium.
We picked our way through the throng, looking for a spot, annoying a group of boozed up fans as we passed between where they were sat and the stage. They started to hurl full cans of beer at us, which missed but hit a similarly intoxicated bunch nearby. Cue a good old punch up, while we were forgotten and continued on our way.
I also remember somebody climbing up one one of the floodlight stanchions in the rain and swinging around like Tarzan, avoiding all attempts to get him down. More eyes were on him than on Little Feat, who were on stage at the time if my memory serves me well.
The other one was the Two Tone gig at the Top Rank in Brighton: Madness, The Specials & The Selecter. I remember it was chaotic and the place was full of mean looking skinheads. I stayed near the back, ready to run in case of trouble (That was and is my default mode when trouble occurs)but I think it all passed off okay.

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wayfarer | 19 January 2012 - 10:07am

The Who at Charlton

I was fifteen. I went with a mate and we decided to catch the last train from Charing Cross to Charlton and spend the night outside the ground to be first in the next day. The que was a about fifty people when we got there at about midnight. We sat down on the pavement about ten minutes later a gang of what seemed like local football yobs came down the road. They started sing "If you're happy and you know it clap your hands" as they walked down the que of people. If anyone wasn't clapping they just started beating them up. It was like a scene out of Clockwork Orange. We were at the other end of the que and decided not to wait our turn. We got up and legged it as fast as we could. We walked around the area of the stadium for about an hour until we saw some of the other people who had been in the que and there was a bloke with them who was from the local church who said we could all stay in the church hall. We gladly took up the offer. We had a cup of tea and then tried to get some shut eye on the 'gym mats' which were laid out on the floor. I must of nodded off but then I woke up as heard a bit of noise. when I looked up in the darkended hall I could make out a couple getting it on over a table about ten foot in front of me! At fifteen I hadn't seen many sights like that one! In the morning we joined the que again. It was a pretty full on affair there were a group of people drinking a home made 'punch' from a bucket which semed to be lots of bottle of vodka and not much else. They were steaming by midday. We finally got in the gig and in the rush to get near the front I lost my mate Trevor. I spent the rest of the day on my own watching the bands. When the Who came on some people I had been standing next to passed me a spliff just as the laser show kicked in and it was truly spectacular. I got the train back to Charring Cross and as I walked out of the Station I bumped in to Trevor who's father had arranged to pick him up and it was a relief to see some familiar faces. What a night!!!! It had seemed like some right of passage in so many ways.

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Lunaman | 21 January 2012 - 4:37pm

Shane MacGowan - Dublin 2002

The roughest gig I have ever been to by far.

Me & the future mrs seanioio were quite near the front & moved back sharpish as it kicked off more & more as the gig went on. The security were coming into the crowd to throw punches at people & we must have seen about 15-20 fights over the 2 hours of the show! Properly frightening!

Seeing New Order as a 17 year old at Old Trafford Cricket Club in Manchester was an eye opener too - rough as hell but still a good atmosphere

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seanioio | 19 January 2012 - 10:53am

Reading Festival 1978

For the first time Reading gave a whole day to ‘new wave’ acts: The Jam, Penetration, Ultravox, The Pirates (?), Radio Stars and, regrettably, Sham 69. Sham brought, or attracted, a vast mob of skinheads who spent the afternoon marauding through the crowd trying to provoke ‘incidents’. All hippies (and there were lots) seemed to be targets, plus anyone non-white (not many in a Reading crowd in the late 70s) plus anyone who took issue with the skins’ boorish aggression. It was very, very nasty. When Pursey’s mob eventually took the stage in the early evening the stage was invaded and they played their set framed by snarling, sneering skinheads. Many of them wore NF tattoos, badges or t-shirts; I remember thinking this is what a fascist rally must look like. Thankfully most of them disappeared after Sham’s set, probably ‘down the pub’ and we were able to watch a rather shambolic set by The Jam in relative peace. Paul Weller rounded off the day nicely by smashing his malfunctioning gear.

Sham 69 were joined on stage by Steve Hillage. They were awful. But then Sham 69 were awful.

Were any other members of the massive there?

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Alan Latchley | 19 January 2012 - 11:09am

I was there

Two 18 year olds from a small Scottish town. We booked travel through Listen Records. The transport was a converted transit, not quite a minibus and not quite a works van but somewhere in between. Pick-up point outside the old Apollo. Overnight drive, everyone smoking everything and lots of pills being passed round. We were shittin' ourselves.

For me, it was the new wave bands that were the big attraction but I was also keen to see some of the pre punk bands. I remember the new wave acts being spread throughout the weekend, not just on one day - although the Friday was weighted towards the newer bands. Most of the punk/new wave acts were lost on the big stage. Sham 69 were just what you would expect but I remember thinking it was a brave move bringing on the anti-christ that was Steve Hillage.

I do remember a heavy atmosphere but, where I was, the hippies and the punks got on OK. The sky black with flying, piss-filled Newcastle bottles was a sight to see.

My worst experience with skins was in 1980 at a college in Central London where I went to see Slade (I think this was just before their comeback at another Reading Festival). The place was swarming with skins. During the gig they would circle a victim and start beating him up. The crowd just parted and created a sterile area round this violence. I remember thinking the skins wouldn't get away with that in Glasgow (I like to think the Glasgwegians would have stepped in and sorted them out).

One of the more memorable violent acts I witnessed in Glasgow was at a Sham gig but it was the support act who committed it. This would have been 1978 at the QM student union and the band in question went by 'Rev Volting & The Back Stabbers (IIRC). The guitarist, who went on to become a respected solo act a few years later, was taking some abuse (maybe gobbing) from the front row. He eventually lost it, took of his Telecaster and drove the blunt end right above the nose of some dude who had caused him a slight. I later saw the injured guy in the toilets and he had a Telecaster shaped hole in his forehead.

The Apollo was also a very violent place. The bouncers were just thugs (ask The Clash). I don't miss that atmosphere one little bit.

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Jorrox | 19 January 2012 - 1:48pm

The Stranglers and Killing Joke

Both cultivated airs of menace at their his that provide some of my less glorious memories of gig-going. Firstly, as a callow teenager looking down from the balcony of the Manchester Apollo on the Stranglers Feline tour in about 81 or 82 onto what seemed like a stalls that was just one big fight. Secondly, at a Killing Joke gig at Oxford Poly in 84 or 85 a casual skinhead acquaintance called Peanut decided to jump onstage. Not only was he instantly attacked by (if I'm right) the bass player who just swung his bass at him, but after being grabbed by the bouncers he then claimed to have been 'bike chained' backstage when he saw him next. Not sure this would happen at the Academy chain today, so some progress has been made.

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Moseleymoles | 19 January 2012 - 11:39am

Grabbed by the bouncers...

...ouch.

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Cobweb Steve | 19 January 2012 - 4:02pm

Much more recent

Wilco at the Glasgow Royal Concert Hall in October last year. Tweedy had just started "Rising Red Lung", just him playing acoustic guitar, a slow soft song, when raised voices start in the circle culminating in the unmistakable crunch and howl of agony of a Glasgow kiss. Cue security and more shouts and scuffles, music stops.

Tweedy: "I can't do this"
Audience member: "Welcome to Glasgow!"

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Neil Dyson | 19 January 2012 - 11:54am

got to love Glasgow

A suicide bomber in the airport,99% would have had it on their toes,not Glasgow,everyone steamed into him and gave him a kicking,

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Sour Crout | 19 January 2012 - 8:47pm

Day on the Green

in late September 1975. Climax Blues Band, Earth Quake, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Johnny Winter and the Edgar Winter Group. It was really hot and Bill Graham had only done a few of these so it was very easy to bring one's own 'refreshments' into the Oakland Coliseum. Earth Quake were local favourites so by the time Skynyrd took stage the crowd was ready to partay. In the way bikers and hillbillies do best. Violently. To add to that they had to make an announcement to beware of both some bad acid and bad angel dust that was making the rounds. Before Johnny Winter could close the shirtless and the toothless were dropping like flies.

Still, there were some great performances.

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MyAmericanMate | 19 January 2012 - 12:14pm

Pirates 1978.

This is a depressingly fertile thread.

The first gig I ever went to was The Pirates, Hull 1978.
An excellent performance was manured and halted by some nitwit managing to brain the Mighty Mick Green with a lobbed pint glass. Yes, a real glass. Remember them?
The crew politely asked if the perp would step forward for a quiet word but they weren't that stupid.

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malcolm.bruce | 19 January 2012 - 12:41pm

I did a gig with the Pirates

in 1978. Great group but you wouldn’t want to mess with them, they’d been around the block a few times. Mick Green was a big lad, Frank Farley was an ex-wrestler and an absolute man-mountain. Scariest of all was Johnny Spence, not the biggest but looked like he would break your fingers for fun. They just don’t make groups like that any more. Do they?

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Alan Latchley | 19 January 2012 - 12:53pm

Let's see the Pirates...

...at Reading, 1978. Yes, they do look like people you don't want to start an argument with. Even the out of tune guitar just seems to add to their menace.

Luckily, I haven't seen too much gig violence - only weird incidents, swiftly dealt with. One of the weirdest was a guy with a mobile phone who kept taking calls at a Chris Smither show in a civilised bar venue in Donegal a few years back. Chris was getting pissed off on the stage but the guy refused to turn it off 'It might be important' he said. The guy sitting beside him - not someone who knew him, just someone getting increasingly edgy in case the rest of the crowd thought he WAS associated with this moron - at the third phone call just went berserk and started punching the guy with the phone. At which the management intervened and escorted the phone guy off the premises.

Around 7 or 8 years ago there were two guys who kept appearing at gigs on the Belfast bar scene and causing antagonism with people. One of them seemed to be a nutcase - a rubber fac3ed goon seemingly intent on irritating people to see how far they would go. The first time I recall these guys, they were causing a scene in the Rotterdam Bar - I asked the doorman to have a quiet word: he marked their card and it was fine after that. Next time it was at a Kelly Joe Phelps gig at the Errigle Inn - the place was absolutely packed, probably oversold, which gave the nutters even more scope for annoying people - spilling drunks, pushing into people, pulling faces, moving through the crowd like a deliberate mobile disaster. They were, I'm sure, very close to someone throwing puncghes but the funniest thing was seeing, across this crowded room, the venue owner and two guys built like brick houses with grim faces moving slowly but inexorably towards these guys, who were escorted off the premises.

Shortly after that I heard from our local blues writing svengali Trevor Hodgett that this pair had been at a Henry McCullough gig at the Menagerie, which he'd reviewed for some blues mag. one of them had gone up to Henry's vocal mike stand mid song and rattled it, hitting Henry's teeth. Henry stopped the song, took his guitar off and smashed the guy's face in with a volley of boxing moves. Then got back on stage and picked up the song again. Trev put the incident in his review. I'd have paid to see that!

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Colin H | 19 January 2012 - 8:00pm

Specials, Madness and the Selecter, Hatfield, 27 October 1979

This gig at Hatfield Polytechnic (now the University of Hertfordshire) was easily the most violent I've been to. During the first set (by the Selecter) a group calling themselves the Hatfield Anti-Fascist League smashed some of the windows at the side of the hall and came swarming in. They started attacking some skinhead members of the audience, claiming that they were NF supporters. Suddenly the stanley knives were out and things got very bloody indeed. A number of people were hospitalised, and when Madness came on stage, Suggs informed us that their dressing room was being used as a makeshift emergency ward to treat the wounded.
There are some aspects of 1970s gigs that I don't miss.

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duco01 | 19 January 2012 - 1:28pm

Jeff "Stinky" Turner of the Cockney Rejects autobiography..

..is a catalogue of knuckle sandwiches, claret being spilled, getting tasty with dodgy geezers, and all sorts of general bovver. I read it in one sitting in Borders while waiting to meet a friend. It reads more like the memoir of a particuarly nasty football hooligan than a rock singer, but in a way it is.

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Ricardo | 20 January 2012 - 1:11am

The Prisoners Dingwalls 13th February 1986

I remember the date because it was my 17th birthday the next day!

The Prisoners,60s pysch punk mod pop, the original home of organist James Taylor, later of the Quartet, and led by Graham Day one of my all time favourite musicians/singers/songwriters, who should be better known than he is. The Prisoners were from Chatham and to be frank looked like people you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of. They were playing an energetic set, nicely loud, ferocious delivery.

A few people moshing away at the front, one skinny little mod a little too energetically. The security (about 4 very large no neck guys who each weighed at least twice the amount of the little guy) had their eye on him. One waded in to stop him at one point, pulled him to the side of the stage. A few minutes later he dived back into the fray and then decided to jump on the stage. Security moved like lightning, pulled him off and threw him to the floor, then two of them started kicking him. At this point the band threw down their instruments and dived into the crowd fists flying. It didn't last long, and I've seen far worse at other nights, but I hadn't seen a band getting involved before.

There was no encore, and the time moved past midnight. One of my mates turned to me looked at his watch and said "Happy Birthday!"

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SimonL | 19 January 2012 - 3:58pm

Skrewdriver/Fairports

According to various reports dotted about the net and elsewhere, Ian Stuart of Skrewdriver(later victim of possibly the least tragic car crash ever) received 30+ stitches after an altercation with bouncers at a Fairport Convention gig in 1978.

There are odd factors about this- Fairport did very few gigs in 78, what the feck was he doing there anyway, how did it escalate into violence. Anyone know owt?

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clarkgwent | 19 January 2012 - 4:50pm

London Royal Festival Hall

Soloman Burke. Seriously.

It kicked off between two blokes sitting a few rows in front of me and Mrs G, God only knows why. What I do remember is that the old biddies who take the tickets there were just unable to do a thing.

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ganglesprocket | 19 January 2012 - 4:58pm

Windsor Free Festival 1974

win 74 stage resisters2 800

Woken up at some unearthly time in the morning with a policeman's boot in the side of the head as I slept in my tent.The day got progressively worse (slight understatement).truncheon charges, policeman hit by a tin of beans dropping to the stage. eating muesli out of a policeman's helmet.

While searching for more info on t'internet came across this photo, I'm on the left in profile odd seeing yourself all those years ago.
read more about it here http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/windsor74.html

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hubertrawlinson | 19 January 2012 - 5:57pm

What were you watching?

I cannot seem to process what the crowd is watching. By rights there should be a stage in the distance but instead there seem to be some people suspended in the air. Some seem to be playing instuments. Please explain.

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wickerman1138 | 19 January 2012 - 6:24pm

As it is 37 years ago

the memory is a bit hazy, but it is a piece of performance art by Thames Valley's finest. The police were 'dismantling' one of the stages using truncheons (although it could be some of the festival attendees clinging to the stage)

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hubertrawlinson | 19 January 2012 - 9:02pm

Rolling Stones Voodoo Lounge Tour

Wembley Stadium. After 2 numbers it was clear the idiots next to me were pissed as farts and falling all over the place including over me and the ex missus. I was not amused and basically told them to fuck off. They were having none of it and were becoming more objectionable. Called the security who promptly threw them out. Since tickets were in the £50 range even then I spent the rest of the gig wondering whether they were outside waiting to exact revenge.

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Steve Turner | 19 January 2012 - 6:40pm

The Adicts

My friend James played bass for Ipswich's premier punk funsters for a while and he's shown me the footage from a gig at The Dominion, wherein an exitable throng take on the bouncers, one of whom disappears temporarily in the crowd before reappearing some seconds later sans shirt, each other, and eventually the band - possibly encouraged by the drummer coming out from behind the kit at one point to kick his guitarist brother in the balls. Not a good place to find yourself if you've ventured back on to rescue your borrowed bass amp and found yourself on the wrong side of a locked stage door, apparently.

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skirky | 19 January 2012 - 7:27pm

Amnesty International Festival of Youth, Milton Keynes Bowl 1988

I went to this festival at the Milton Keynes Bowl.
There was only 1 stage and most bands played both days of the festival. The headliners were old punk acts (Stranglers, Damned) with some other punk offshoots on earlier in the day (Big Audio Dynamite, Joe Strummer & The Latino Rockabilly War)
Other acts were quite a mixed bag....
Some were really good (Aswad, Sam Brown, Aztec Camera, Michelle Shocked, Rhythm Sisters)
Some were pretty dull (Martin Stephenson, Runrig, Furniture, New Model Army)

The only alcohol on sale was lager in little plastic bottles and the floor of the whole site was covered in these. For most of the weekend, there were bottlethrowing battles going on between the left side of the crowd and the right side. If the spout bit of the bottle caught you, it was pretty hard and I must've seen at least 50 people walking around with blood coming from their faces. Hits on the forehead seemed to be particularly commonplace.
I went to a few Reading festivals around this time and the bottle throwing happened there a lot as well, but never with the intensity and stamina that the crowd managed at this festival.
At Milton Keynes, the bottle battles reached their peak when Howard Jones was on, which caused much upset to the handful of Jones fans who had come to the festival just to see him.
But just like in World War 1 when they all stopped killing each other for a few hours on Christmas Day, a game of football briefly brought peace to the warring factions. A football appeared from somewhere and before long there was a 3,000-a-side game going on right in front of poor old Howard who carried on his set as if playing to a packed house of devotees.

Another violent gig was the Cramps at the Town & Country club, in the late 80s. I was right down the front with my mate with our elbows on the rail thing. We were a couple of Sussex provincial teenagers who'd driven up to London for the night and we just wanted to watch this band of weirdos whose records we'd loved listening to for hours on end.
Behind us, World War 3 was raging with mass punchups between the crowd and now and again the bouncers would join in too.

Other violent gigs (e.g. Pogues, Wedding Present) weren't really that violent. People used to jump around, push each other, punch each other, that kind of thing. But it was all part of the fun and there usually seemed to be a great feeling of brotherhood around really. That was just how us repressed males expressed our love of the music.
I much prefer that to what people do these days, i.e. stand watching the band, stroking chin and loudly voicing your opinions on which tracks are your favourites, watching most of it through the tiny screen on your mobile for fuck's sake and holding up said mobile so some pal of yours who couldn't be arsed buying a ticket can listen to an unrecognisable snatch of noise from the comfort of their own home.

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Tindersticks | 21 January 2012 - 3:23pm
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