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Gervais - Scathing wit or just a bit of a divvy?
Posted by Grant on 17 January 2011 - 9:28am.
Has Ricky G gone too far this time?
One part of me appreciates his fearlessness in attacking the sacred cows of Tinseltown (who seem unable, en masse, to take a bit of well-aimed ribbing) whilst another side of me cringes at his manner.
Any opinions?
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Anyone
that can make Robert De Niro laugh like that is okay in my book.
As far as I can see
he was speaking nothing but the truth.
His new teeth
are mesmerising, aren't they?
Standing in front of a well-heeled awards show audience...
telling jokes is enough to make anyone look a divvy. Now I have no great love for Ricky Gervais, but I thought that was OK. Mildly amusing. And I mean mildly.
I Thought It Quite Amusing
probably funnier than some of his films
I'm afraid I am bewildered by his celebrity.
This man does not make me laugh, and I am bored with cringing.
I like it very much
I'd much rather watch Ricky Gervais doing this kind of stuff rather than Jonathan Ross or James Corden trying to do this kind of stuff.
I have mixed feelings about him
but that was great. Hollywood actors do their best work at awards nights, smiling through gritted teeth.
"I warned 'em"
- The Guardian
Oh, well. I laughed. OK, so his performance wasn't comedy genius, but it was amusing, I thought - and the funniest he's been for years.
Quite funny...
...but if I can put my po-faced feminist face on, of all the things the vile films of Sex and the City can be attacked for, it seems a real shame the fact that the women are over 40 is the joke. Ho ho ho.
I think it is quite funny, but most of the targets are fish in a barrel aren't they?
I thought...
...actually he was making that very point. We know that they're 40+ and 50+, we don't care, so why airbrush the poster?
Oh possibly...
...well that went over my head (insert joke about 'not worrying my pretty little head about it' here).
I think you could be right. Perhaps I'm so used to hearing jokes about how 'old' they are, I just assumed it was following the herd.
They should have put Helen Mirren in SITC2...
I might have gone to see it if she'd been in it. She's really, really old... and sexy as f**k.
She would get my vote too
Regarding Ricky Gervais I find him funny most of the time and I particularly liked the film Cemetery Junction that he was involved in.
However whenever I have seen him interviewed he comes across as pompous - maybe he is uncomfortable in the role of interviewee.As a comedian however he is prepared to take risks and the extras series was very funny indeed.
Since when
has 65 been really, really old? I thought it was the new middle aged. There are lots of other sexy 65 year olds out there - not just Dame Helen.
That...
...was some of the funniest material he's done in a while. Liked it a lot. Frankly, if you book Ricky Gervais, you should know what you're getting.
I'm torn with him
He's a nice guy, but I find his near the knuckle nonsense a bridge too far.
Fame has gone to his head, no matter what anyone says.
Only one slight gripe
I think he's genuinely funny and if there is place that constantly has to have it's pomposity pricked it's Hollywood. But.. at the end of the day the Golden Globes are really no different to M4 Corridor Paper Vendor of the Year 2001 (Wernham Hogg Slough Branch 2nd). Lots on in-jokes and people who "like a mention".
But the one thing that I can't stand about RG is his whiney accent. Sorry if I've offended anyone from Berkshire but it's like listening to finger nails on a blackboard. How amny hours did the "royalty" of Hollywood have to listen to that? Serve the buggers right I say.
Has he gone too far?
Not far enough. Most of them could do with a slap.
Wit or a divvy? Bit of both.
I've always though he was a bit of a narse
but that was pretty good. Could take more than five minutes of him though - and I kept waiting for him to do the stupid dance.
EDIT: I meant to type "a bit of an arse" but I quite like 'narse' now.
Narse
It could catch on you know
If the only place you can find work
is playing the foole to to a bunch of fooles you gotta go where the money is. Lampooning the land of the lotus eaters has been going on since they bulldozed the first orange groves. It was mildly amusing but no new ground was broken.
Actually I think a tiny bit was
The outing of the two "famous Scientologists" was surely the most overt yet on U.S. network television. Hardly a tough-to-guess "blind item", was it?
Referring to Tom Cruise as a Scientologist?
Been done, hasn't it? I don't get quite as much Native Culture TV as I'd like to (all arguments to the contrary entertained with deaf ears) but me and my peer group have been aware of Hollywood engrams and e-meters since Karen Black in the late '70's.
No, I still don't think anyone was seriously outed.
it wasn't the 'outing' of Cruise as a Scientologist
that raised eyebrows...
'Also not nominated, I Love You Phillip Morris. Jim Carrey and Ewan McGregor. Two heterosexual actors pretending to be gay, so the complete opposite of some famous Scientologists then.'
That was done by South Park some years ago
in the 'Come out of the closet, Tom' episode.
indeed.
I was setting MAM straight on the 'outing' that went on; calling Cruise a Scientologist is hardly newsworthy. Making the statement that certain prominent Hollywood Scientologists might be hiding their homosexuality was a bit of a bigger deal. Especially in a room full of prominent Hollywood folk.
Fair point
I must not have been listening close enough. Last few years every time Gervais opens his mouth I just hear noise.
But yeah, there's a huge PC/PI rage going on in the US about whether straight actors can play gay (matron!). I mean FFS, they are meant to be "actors", right?
That said (and ref the South Park note below) I tend to side with Trey Parker and Matt Stone on the place of actors in society.
Made me laugh
Always good to see an antidote to sycophancy at awards ceremonies.
Was quite funny
The Tom Cruise suggestion was hilarious.
I don't really like Gervais
but thought he was great.
Introducing Bruce Willis as 'Ashton Kutcher's Dad' was my favourite moment
Next year
They should ask Karl Pilkington... that'd f*** 'em right up.
But they'd still
have to have Gervais standing behind him, pointing and laughing, yelling 'No, this is funny, I say so, don't you know who I am?'.
It's Jonathan Ross's
schtick (written by some funny people including David Baddiel's brother usually) for the Comedy Awards tuned to the Hollywood mob.
It's perfect for those that need to be brought back to earth every now and then.
Would have been good to see them go for De Niro's choices of late and really go for the big guns.
Talking of the Comedy Awards, Channel 4 are REALLY milking it now they've got the rights eh?
Really helping to turn an irreverent night into something far more mainstream and dull? We shall see.
Soft targets
..not exactly 'cutting edge' is it?
Its common practice for 'edgy' hosts to have a whipping boy - in the recent past Jude Law I recall was the brunt. So now its The Tourist, Jennifer Lopez, Charlie Sheen etc..wow.
The BBC summary ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12205469) of his comments is as follows:-
Its the arrogance of the man that really grates - his desperation to make a name for himself. The best reaction would be a communal yawn.
He's a comic..
hired to be funny at an award do. Not sure anything in his speech came over as arrogant myself.
Anyway, an arrogant person in showbiz? hardly "stop the press" news is it?
Leg Transplant
On multi-millionaire Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg: "Heather Mills calls him the one that got away."
HM: "I won't be outrun again. Not if that promised leg transplant is successful."
For me
He's a one trick pony.
And it's a very small pony at that...
I've never rated him in any way, and this latest drivel was only further evidence that he can make an extremely small amount of talent go a disappointingly long way.
As a comic, his schtick seems to be 'I say things nobody else has the nerve to say - aren't I naughty?' No, Mr. G, you're not. People have made fun of celebs/Hollywood/Scientologists for years, and in much wittier ways. Rumours about gay A-listers who pretend to be straight date back to the silent movie days of Valentino and Navarro. Why not come up with something fresh?
For proof of his lack of comic ability (despite his obvious supporters), see the Live Earth show from a few years back. I remember him doing a bit introducing The Who or Floyd and simply dying on his feet. He had nothing to say of any worth and, when told he had to fill for a couple of minutes, dried up and had to fall back on that resolutely unfunny dance. Surely in such a pinch a supposed funnyman of any note could come up with a couple of lines from his metaphorical back pocket?
And as for the Office/Extras/his films, I don't want comedy that makes me cringe, I want comedy that makes me laugh, however old-fashioned that might seem. The fact that he's built a career on such thin gruel proves that we are indeed entering the last days.
Phew, I need a lie down...
Comedy that makes you cringe...
I have trouble with it as well. The penultimate episode of The Office (i.e. Christmas Special) I found incredibly difficult to watch but I persisted and by the end of the very last was bawling like a twat.
There's a humanity under all that incredibly cras 'public image' (which for the most part just seems to be an extension of the worst parts of his David Brent character). The former can be paid attention to quite easily - watch Cemetery Junction - while ignoring the latter.
The Extras Christmas Specials...
...are, in my view, quite possibly the most relentlessly bleak and brilliantly executed pieces of Christmas scheduling in memory. Gervais' rant against reality TV ("Fuck you, the programme makers...and fuck you, the audience, for watching it") is rather brilliant, I think.
Completely right, Lucas
The Extras Christmas special was a brilliant piece of work and did not get the attention that it deserved.
a very overrated stand-up. But that's OK, simmer down everyone, it's acceptable to hold both views.I don't see why we should universally 'like' a comic any more so than we should universally love everything that they do.
I dislike more of Gervais' work than I like, but I treasure both The Office and Extras.
I hate the Karl Pilkington stuff an a lot of the podcasts and he is
I also think, and apologies that if this has been noted above, that his monologues at the Globes illustrated the gap between British and Irish humour and that in US. He was just slagging, like.
On the other hand
It's great to hear him talking about comedy with someone like Larry David - he has real love of the subject. I can't imagine he feels the same way towards presenting awards ceremonies. Personally, that's the last thing barring Panorama I'd watch if I wanted a proper laugh and if I were him I'd be both stuck for a decent gag and looking for the nearest exit.
Or...
counting his paycheque and slapping himself on the back for how he has raised his profile
Fair point.
Can't refute that but nor would I blame him for doing so.
He has his moments
and I think that was alright. Nothing groundbreaking, but reasonably amusing.
I find him to be like the kids who sucked up to the hard kids at school in general.
I thought his stand up was highly derivative, particularly of Stewart Lee - which he mentions in one set. Stewart Lee mentions it, I mean.
I like the office and series 2 of Extras, particularly the David Bowie bit.
However, I thought Cemetery Junction was - along with Soul Boy - among the worst films I have laid eyes on of recent years. Utterly dreadful, mawkish twaddle. You can't watch Kes or Billy Liar and then either of those abominations and suggest that they're in any way comparable.
I couldn't believe how horrific it was. And he's a smug looking twat, isn't he? It's not endearing.
A Bit One Note
I think reading his links in the edited form are the best bet here. If you saw the show they all got a bit samey after the first half hour - big build up of film/presenter then underscored by a brutal - and predictable- "shock" end. When Tina Fey came on and did some actual free floating silly gags it was a real relief. Far from needing taking down a peg or two I think the A Listers were right in expecting a bit more invention and also rightly detected a too artfully sour note on, lets be honest, somewhere that is RG's idolized home turf these days.
I think this interview said most of what needs to be said
Now Shandling *is* a genius ... and for his thoughts on Gervais see
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/humor/201008/comedy-issue/comedy-issue-g...
Dunno why it's such a big deal
he did the same thing last year. They bloody love it really, the pampered overpaid fuckwits. I can't believe he'd get anywhere near the stage without an army of laywers tearing the script to bits,
they knew exactly what they were getting.
And as Russell Brand has proved
being outrageous at a US awards ceremony is a sure way of upping your profile in middle America.
That leads to more column inches, more TV chat shows, more movie offers and surprise, surprise, more filthy lucre comes your way.
I'd gone off him a bit recently
...but I really enjoyed that.
I enjoyed it
It's what they pay for in that role.
Good jokes.
And at least he didn't do that silly laugh.
I once saw
a "comedian" at a stag night. His idea of humour was to prowl around the audience and point at people
"Fuck me that bloke's got a big nose. Oi! Big Nose! Where are you from? Conk City?" For me that is absolutely the worst form of comedy and this is a marginally more sophisticated version of the same thing.
It really is a classic British thing to say that somehow these celebs deserve it because they are successful without having the same values as me. "Ooh look at him all high and mighty, he *deserves* to be knocked down a peg or two".
Well, for me, it's not funny. Not funny at all.
Scorn
If Hollywood stars weren't forever dissecting their "process", joining fly-by-night credo-on-the-back-of-an-envelope cults, blaming their spoiled-brat excesses on their "demons" and "not being in a good place", demanding special treatment one minute and claiming to be "just a regular guy" the next,* I'm sure that everyone, Ricky Gervais included, would leave them alone.
Come on, Vince - they do deserve it.
Alicia Silverstone....
Does she take heavy medication?
Nothing to see here
Fairly standard 'have a pop at the pampered celebs stuff'. Hand movements and shrug robbed from Rupert Pupkin, seeing as we're talking about de Niro. The scientologist could conceivably have been the star of Saturday Night Fever...
Gervais is sometimes funny, but far too pleased with himself. He's no Morris or Coogan.
Easy targets
I have no problem with Gervais having a pop at celebs, but as a couple of us mentioned above, it is the easy targets that I find a bit wearisome.
Hey! Who knew Robert Downey Jr was an ex-junkie and had been to prison? Oh, all of you?
Hey! Who knew about the rumours (may not be true, Word lawyers) that Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Will Smith are actually gay? Oh, all of you?
Hey! Who knew that the SATC women were over 45 and had been airbrushed? What all of you?
A slaying of a few sacred cows wouldn't go amiss. Robert De Niro has not been in a great film for nearly 20 years. And has not been good in OK films for as long as that. Have a go there. Judd Apatow & his 'boys' makes the same film three times a year (clever, beautiful woman will go for any man put in front of her including ugly, stupid, selfish idiots). Have a go there. The fact that 'focker' sounds like fucker has sustained THREE films. Go on, have a go at your mate Stiller for that. Half the women in that audience are unrecognisable owing to the need/desire (perceived or not) to remain young. Nicole Kidman, for example, resembles my Sindy doll after my cousin Richard had run her over on his Raleigh Grifter. Have a go at that.
Go on, I dare you.
Seeing is believing
All good points, JoLean, but although there is nothing new in what is being said, I suspect millions of people get considerable satisfaction from being able to watch them squirm as it is said, even if it's only once a year.
As to why Robert De Niro gets a pass, could it be because in his free time he's best known for supporting independent filmmakers rather than cruising Africa looking for suitable people to adopt?
(Yes, the Robert Downey stuff was obvious and old hat, but why was he so pissed off about it afterwards? After all, he was hardly subpoena'd to appear on Oprah - "Sean Penn kicked my door down and dragged me to rehab!" - to relive it... right after this message.)
Quite.
Puncturing pompous celebrities will never get old as long as their pomposity allows them to inflate to such sizes. And, personally, I reckon all the hoo-hah from all the poor little flowers in the wake of all this suggests that he hit his intended targets right where it hurt.
RD Jr
I hadn't seen the Robert Downey response until you mentioned it, Mr V.
I agree it is an *incredible* response considering how much mileage he has had out of his rise and fall and rise again on chat shows, etc. Very strange.
I'd hate you to go away with the idea that I don't think that these people deserve a rocket up their arses. They do. I just think it should be bigger rocket up more arses.
Now off to see the Tina Fey that Bodhisattva recommends.
well
said
Never mind Gervais
did anyone see Bobby DeNiro spend his whole 5 minute speech trying to get a laugh and failing completely? If you want eyewateringly cringemaking, look no mfurther.
Or just watch Little Fockers
as I sadly did recently. Couldn't wait for it to end.
You have
my condolences
In his 'greatest moments of your career' montage they showed a clip from Rocky n Bullwinkle which surely was his nadir. That was the biggest laugh of the night for me
that's my dvd viewing this evening sorted then...
The Real Point Is..
...not that RG committed some sort of killer raid on the ego's of Hollywood (amongst whom he must be numbered these days and fair enough) but that his script was entirely one note.
The same joke recipe was repeated over and over. Positive build up, "shock" pay off. There were NO jokes for jokes sake. No invention, no real point beyond an insult.
As I say, I think the A Listers were quite right to raise an eyebrow at such artful sourness by one who CRAVES their approval.
Tina Fey was, as usual, just plain funny.
Is it true
that Stan Boardman gets a percentage of the Fockers films?
Only the scene
where some Germans bomb their local chippie
I do always regret
that Stan wasn't buying chips when they did it.
That's because
he was out on his bike training for the Olympics
Here's what he did this time last year:
The Macca
material was great!
Gervais
I saw him do stand up and he was good - not as good as Robin Ince mind, who was his support - but Gervais does nick some ideas from others. He did a whole thing about religion including a line about dinosaurs, as in 'what about them, how do you explain that?' which was pure Bill Hicks. Then there's the Larry Sanders and Seinfeld thing. He's brought these 'influences' to the UK mainstream basically. But the cringe and wince school of humour has got rather tired now. This 'Episodes' show that's on at the moment I find quite unfunny and tiresome for the most part. And the Golden Globes performance is quite lazy. Yet did I laugh? Yes, quite a lot. So unless you are one of those who finds him annoying I'd say he is genuinely a funny guy - though I do feel a little bit tense watching him. But he hasn't done anything of great worth since 'Extras'.
Episodes
Hmmmm, I had it on for 10 minutes and my lips never curled in a smile. Steven Manghan is not an actor and it felt forced and un-funny.
The problem for Gervais is that "the Office" set a new, very high standard. The second series of "Extras" came close but did not improve on the very original series. Steven Merchant as Gervais agent was by far the most entertaining.
What disappointed me
about "Episodes" was that it was so cliched. Post-"Extras" etc. I was expecting something with real bite. I loved Greig and Manghan in "Green Wing"(Now that WAS funny), but this just seemed really, really tired and obvious. I wanted to like it more, but I just couldn't be arsed.