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Gaddafi's Dead
Posted by Mr Sparks on 20 October 2011 - 5:57pm.
About time. I hope the Libyans can now get the peace and prosperity they have been denied for 42 years.
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Phew
I bet Tony Blair and the Scottish Parliment feel relived that Gaddafi isn't there to provide the grim details of their real-politik with him. Given Gads was the main funding source of the remaining Trot left (and offshoots), it'll be interested if they remain as visible at demonstrations.
"interested if they remain as visible.."
...it'll give new meaning to the phrase 'the left' (ie those that are...)
I have no idea
what's being alluded to here.
Are you suggesting all "anarcho-troublemaking and hyjacking of demonstrations" (to use a phrase) was funded out of Libya?
Interestin.
Are you the new secretary for defence or editor of a news international title?
The word "trot" gives you away.
You'll be saying Sadaam had WMD next....
This is, we can only hope, somebody else's
liberation, but your first reaction is to see it as a rather petty vindication of your own beliefs. I love dissent, I relish controversy, but I'm getting pretty pissed off with tribalism of any stripe at the moment.
Some of us don't want to be proved right, we just want people to live better.
Are you sure?
I only know of the WRP being funded from Libya - and they imploded 20-odd years ago.
Imploded?
...you mean they didn't even have a WRP party?
If only they had
it would have been of the Pinteresque variety though.
Well, I wish
the Libyans well even though the optimism of the Arab sporing seems to have faded, just look at what's happening in Egypt. Following on Vincent's point, I would include Martin McGuinness, the great peacemaker, in that list.
This sums up my own thoughts
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
I'm struggling to understand
in what way was Gadaffi worse than Pinochet? The man who regularly enjoyed tea with Margaret Thatcher.
Gadaffi
was worse because he always clattered the china with his spoon when stirring in his 3 lumps.
And he always farted
Ask John Simpson for evidence.
Some of us
See little difference between Pinochet, Gadaffi and Thatcher - apart from the frocks of course.
I'm No Expert
on North African politics or whatever, and I shed no tears for his death, but will the Libyan people be any better off?
I have only ever known one Libyan, a mature medical student.
Whilst he was no pro Gadaffi fanatic, his opinion that life under the despot could really have been a lot worse... health care was free for all, crime was non existant, and employment was full, and generally if you toed the line, life was reasonably good.
Education was also free for everyone, and indeed he was well funded by the Libyan Government to complete his studies in one of our Uni's to study to qualify as a Doctor.
"Will you stay in the UK once you graduate"?
He laughed... "No, I HAVE to go back to Libya... I have no option".
Now I wonder if whatever new regime takes over, will they be so considerate to the populace?
Not saying that Gadaffi was a good man- he patently was not-but sometimes the Devil you know.....
My Mum
Lived and worked in Libya for 12 years and said the same thing. Libyan society very equal, no poverty etc etc. She's a big fan of the Colonel and is convinced his overthrow is an American initiative. Frankly I'm glad to see the back of him so we avoid the subject.
Trains ran on time, everyone
Trains ran on time, everyone knew their place... I like to see all dictators on the end of a rope, and all elected politicians regularly voted out so they don't get too comfortable. Martin McGuiness (and Gerry Adams) likewise need the slap of reality rather than the easy ride they get these days, given they are up to their ankles in blood. I've never got this 'terrorists turned freedom fighters' thing: it's always sounded like a fudge by the political classes to me (perhaps so they don't feel so bad if they send our military off for a bit of expeditionary violence).
For a more broad view
on all of this, including the funding of terrorism, state or otherwise, the deals done with The Colonel, the histories of figures on the provisional government and the west's wish that all of this had never occurred (i.e the entire Arab Spring), please do some research.
Lockerbie is a mystery that will soon give up it's secrets. Don't expect the version to conply with recieved wisdom.
Popular uprisings against tyranical regimes must be applauded of course. What comes next is far more important.
I never tire of this picture
"
SING ALONG!!
I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent
Where we can both experiment, ment, ment, ment, ment
Yeah, yeah, it's so convinent, ent, ent, ent
Let's take a taxi to my tent
Oh yeah, my love is so insatiable
In a stoic sort of way
But my baby is as beautiful
As a tourniquée
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
I'm gonna get you in my tent, tent, tent tent, tent
Whoa, whoa, it's only common sense, sense, sense
I know that you won't mind the stench, stench, stench
Of the sacrament
Realy Wild
General, BUT can blue men sing the whites or are they hypocrites for singing?
Bet he feels
a bit of a prat right now. Given Gaddafis history of unreliability It beggars belief that we cosied up to him in the way we did. Surprised he didnt get an invite from the Queen.
Prince Philip
would have probably told him how refreshing it was to meet a leader from a country not run by it's people.
(he has form with this, you see)
Blair
Utterly shameless. He is incapable of ever considering that he might have been wrong about anything.
It's interesting
that the TV News channels are showing footage of Gadaffi actually being killed.
They normally shy away from airing such graphic images. Presumably as it's such a big deal from a news aspect, this is all part of the race for ratings.
I have no real feelings about this either way, but it will be interesting to see if it becomes a trend.
Really where?
Only kidding
Much as i think he is no loss to humanity I don't see any reason why anyone would wish to either broadcast or view it.
Someone
has clearly made an executive decision that it's OK to air this grisly footage and never mind the consequences*. I doubt if they would have shown it quite so - shall we say - gleefully, had he been killed by the Americans, though.
By consequences, I mean complaints from squeamish viewers, accusations of disrespect from religious groups etc
Agreed
No-one deserves to die like that and to have it served up as casual entertainment.
Regardless of Gadaffi's record
I find it increasingly sickening to see western leaders celebrating the death of yet another tyrant.
How long before the western world realises that the likes of Bush, Blair and Cheney have a case to answer in The Hague too? The world is changing, folks, and there'll come a point when war for gain won't be tolerated anymore, whoever is involved.
This wasn't about freedom, it was about oil.
(Blimey, my weetabix must have had added Trot this morning!)