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Frozen Planet - they don't deserve it.

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Seems there's a lot of stupid fuss about this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16137704

Some of the best TV there's ever been, and the cultural pygmies want to have their little sniping say.

Sod 'em. Put this kind of programming on subscription channels and use the licence fee to churn out more programmes about people who can't dance or sing. They won't miss it.

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Agenda

There are a couple of agendas being hyped here - the left wing BBC should be shut down because it lies about Polar Bears, and there is not such thing as global warming because the BBC lies about Polar Bears.

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paulwright | 12 December 2011 - 7:10pm

BBC bashing

for its own sake is my take on it.

This was one small sequence in a magnificent series. The complainers would probably be moaning about violation of the polar bear's den had it been filmed up in the Arctic circle.

On top of that Polar Bears are as cuddly and sweet as they look, aren't they? Why, Attenborough should have reenacted his famous scene with the gorillas and lain down beside mummy bear and tickled her tummy!

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Carl Parker | 12 December 2011 - 7:12pm

Surely this is nothing new

I thought that almost all wildlife docs recreated occasional shots in the studio.

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stimpy | 12 December 2011 - 7:17pm

Is it the Jeremy Clarckson fanclub

getting their own back ?

'Cos as Saint Jezza tells us global warming is fake, polar bears are actually blokes in fur suits and penguins don't exist outside of CGI.

They should take the lot out and shoot them in front of their families.

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Slick | 12 December 2011 - 7:21pm

Just joking

like on Top Gear. Just a joke. Like on the One Show. Ha,ha,ha, just a joke.

Where's Richard "hamster" Hammond when you need him ? He's not even a real hamster.

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Slick | 12 December 2011 - 7:22pm

(No subject)

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Bob | 13 December 2011 - 12:56am

The day this kind of thing, by which I mean

Frozen Planet, and not some brief clip that didn't require bravery, grit and personal discomfort to film, goes onto subscription channels only is the day I stop paying my licence fee.

Personally I'm quite happy to share my bandwidth with people who can't sing or dance, as long as they stick to their channel, and I can keep my BBC2, 3 and 4.

As far as habitual BBC bashers go, I'd take them out and shoot..... etc.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 12 December 2011 - 8:08pm

Thought when I watched it

that it was amazing that they could film inside a birthing den in the wild, given that they give birth in the middle of the Northern winter. No surprise that it was tweaked slightly, but shouldn't detract from the general magnificence of the series.

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Salty | 12 December 2011 - 9:11pm

Great series but ..

.. also astronomically expensive. Why? because cameramen have to be posted into Arctic regions for months at a time. Every shot of that series was so obsessively good that by the laws of quality control, 95% of it must have hit the cutting room floor.

The interesting thing to me though, is that whenever anyone in this country makes an attempt to do anything well crafted and of any quality, it's always attacked sooner or later. A kind of juvenile national obsession. "This is too damn good! What's the catch? Let's find a chink in the armour". "Little Britain" mentality I like to call it.

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Marky | 12 December 2011 - 9:51pm

Not really fair to the BBC I say -

with one more comment..Ice Ice Baby

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Lunaman | 12 December 2011 - 9:30pm

Sir David Attenborough's initial response

has ben leaked to the Daily Mail

"Who the fuck do these people think they are dealing with here. Some kind of muppet? Don't they know who I am? I didn't get that Sir for sitting on me fat arse in front of the telly moaning. I got out there, with those bloody monkeys and lions and shit. And now they try and mug me off like that? Toilet, the lot of em. I'm gonna do a Richard, take a photo on me phone and send it to the letters page of the Radio Times saying "That realistic enough for yer, you plebs!?' When I'm gone, oo they got left, Titchmarsh? Those dosey Autumnwatch buggers (nice norks on the ginge mind but indie boy Packham can do one)? that Oddie fella? My nutsack could make better TV than them. Give me their names and address, these whining bastards and fetch me shooter. Life On earth? Not when I'm through, pal...."

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DogFacedBoy | 12 December 2011 - 11:35pm

Woudn't that be great?

They'd get Gillian McKeith to analyse it. "Aye, it's a fine jobbie. All pointed at the ends, nice nipsy work, but look at that breather ring.. Obviously not quite enough oxygen-carrying chlorophyl in the diet there to enrich things and ease the passage.."

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Lenny Law | 13 December 2011 - 12:26am

Gillian McKeith

My, how I hate that charlatan and her riches founded on embellishment and half truths...

Thank goodness our scheduling is longer populated by the little weasel faced degree purchaser.

Her and that Dr Raj.

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Six Dog | 13 December 2011 - 3:30pm

I went into a Gillian McKeith health food shop...

I went into a Gillian McKeith health food shop, & she was behind the counter.

I asked her, "Are you the lady who does Fecal analysis on the TV?"

She replied, "Yes, I am"

I said to her, "Then wash your hands, I want a packet of cough sweets"

Note - Not a fucking swear word in the entire post.

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jackthebiscuit | 13 December 2011 - 5:04pm

Ker-tissshhhhhhhh

Ay thang yow

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FakeGeordie | 13 December 2011 - 5:12pm

Marvellous.

Can I borrow that?

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skirky | 13 December 2011 - 4:37pm

Do a Richard

It took me a few seconds to realise that he wasn't saying that he would emulate his brother in some way.

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Gatz | 13 December 2011 - 4:49pm

That'd be "do a Dickie' surely?

...which sounds faintly obscene.

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stimpy | 13 December 2011 - 4:58pm

Idiots

How anyone remotely interested in wild life docs who doesn’t know that many shoots are obtained through set ups with captive animals is an idiot. I think almost every Attenborough “behind the scenes” show explains how close up work is obtained. Yawn.

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Rab100 | 13 December 2011 - 12:11am

I love wild life docs

but I didn't know this happened. I don't care and it doesn't lessen the experience for me.
But I'm not an idiot either.

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jimmyshoes01 | 13 December 2011 - 2:49pm

To which Sir Dave responds -

"Oy - chopsy bollocks - I can't believe I'm EARIN this I swear I will do time for you, me and my ape geezer mates is gonna come rahnd your ouse and nail your FACKIN ear to the floor - silence is golden, do I need to spell it aht?"

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FakeGeordie | 13 December 2011 - 3:10pm

I put the people concerned about this

in with those who now claim they can't watch Jool Holland's Hootenany (no, wait) cos they previosuly thought it was live.

Its TV, its entertainment. If they sat down and told you how every single thing was done it would be like this

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DogFacedBoy | 13 December 2011 - 3:20pm

Do you know....

We took the young pups on a jaunt to Disneyland Paris a couple of weekends back. As part of the park n rides and stuff, they have this Walt Disney Studios bit where you get in a land train type thing and they show you in minute detail (narrated by Jeremy Irons for the Anglo's and some incredibly fit French actress called Annette for the Franco's) how stunts, expolosions, floods and film sets are put together, culminating with being treated to an explosion and flood. On a film set.

Incredibly interesting; the amount of water, controlled explosives, building materials and cost in gettng a set built etc but I really didn't want to know this. It takes away the magic, stripping it all bare into the (very good but ultimately) mundane everyday piece of work it is. Very much behind the green curtain...

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Six Dog | 13 December 2011 - 3:36pm

THIS IS A SCANDAL!

The British Bolshevik Corporation are LYING! About BEARS and about GLOBAL WARMING! They PRETENDED that they they filmed the bears in the wild when they filmed in a WILDLIFE CENTER telling NO ONE AT ALL!

Except that anyone curious about how the BBC got the shots could find out how it was done by looking on Frozen Planet's website where one of the producers gave an interview explaining why it was that they filmed at a wildlife center. This has been online since November 7th.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00m21s4

So the story isn't BBC FAKERY it's actually HEALTH AND SAFETY GONE MAD! Namby pamby BBC cowards avoiding birthing polar bears in the wild...

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ganglesprocket | 13 December 2011 - 3:28pm

..and yet Jeremy Clarkson and his Top Gear chums

really did drive to the North Pole in a Toyota pickup. They could have stopped off and used their film crew to take a few shots in a polar bear den.

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stimpy | 13 December 2011 - 4:32pm

It was faked.

Done on a sound stage at Shepperton. The "snow" was Gillette shaving foam and (borrowing from The Simpsons), the polar bears were just a whole heap of cats tied together and painted and Hammond's double was Bob Holness - playing Baker St on the sax as he aimed the Toyota squarely at a CGI Artic Fox.

I know a man on the door.

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Six Dog | 13 December 2011 - 4:59pm

Ummmmm...

"the polar bears were just a whole heap of cats tied together and painted."

That conjurs up such a surreal image

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stimpy | 13 December 2011 - 5:00pm

That image

has had me sniggering in a way not best suited to serious office work.

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policybloke1 | 13 December 2011 - 5:26pm

Frozen Planet

An awesome series, beautifully filmed and presented. They could have created a lot of this using CGI, but they chose to film stuff as it happened, edit it sensibly, include a tweak here and there and highlight some of the changes that are happening at both poles. There was so much to savour here (the wolves vs oxen sequence was amazing, as was the underwater freezing pillar of salt that killed everything in its path).

An inspiring programme of great quality? Yes.
Am I bothered because they used a bit of artistic licence to help the narrative along? No.
It is going to win a shedload of awards? Almost certainly.

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Baskerville Old Face | 13 December 2011 - 6:39pm

What would they have said

If David Attenbrough had hacked into a murdered polar bear's voicemail messages?

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Pax Romana | 14 December 2011 - 9:15am
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