Flying in the face of received wisdom

What albums (rather than artists we consider to be under-rated) that critics have declared to be absolute stinkers do we all like?

I'm a big advocate for Be Here Now and Second Coming, both unfairly maligned albums that if produced by lesser artists would be heralded as their magnum opus.

Second Coming has a fantastic satisfying sound and the playing throughout is phenomenal, it's as funky as hell and it rocks like a drunken brontasaurus. Love the juxtaposition between the heavy riffing and Brown's vocals. Love the lyrical themes, love=god etc. It's got one the best bass sounds on any record I own.

Be Here Now is a glorious mess and is a proper stoner record. There's so much going on that it's hard to take in, something that is often held up as its biggest flaw, but I like that - it keeps me coming back for more. There's a real attack to the faster songs and to Liam's vocals. It's where Noel began to display his talent as a guitarist (admittedly often twenty times at once). Oh and 90% of the songs are great.

So, any others?

'Room to Roam'

by the Waterboys was rather jolly I thought. And I reckon that the contractual-obligation set 'Chaos and Disorder' was by far the best thing Prince ever did. That's two commonly-perceived 'stinkers' to start with.
I can't wait for someone to nominate 'Yellow Submarine' as their favourite Beatles album.

eddie g | 23 September 2008 - 8:31am

Room to Roam

I like Room to Roam too. Very loose and lots of fun. I seem to remember that Fisherman's Blues was met by a wall of indifference from critics when it was released. Sounds mighty fine to me now.

Simon Ford | 23 September 2008 - 12:06pm

Pah!

Critics eh? Still, to be fair, the perceptive Charles Shaar Murray did champion 'Chaos and Disorder' in Mojo as I recall. ( Although no one has ever mentioned it since ).

eddie g | 23 September 2008 - 12:21pm

Chaos and Disorder!

That'll just be you and me then eddie. We should form a club.

matthew | 23 September 2008 - 12:26pm

'The Chaos And Disorder Club'.

Who'd have us??

eddie g | 23 September 2008 - 12:56pm

Kill Uncle!

I've always said this is a great album but it is ALWAYS passed off as crap in any overview of Morrissey's work. It's up there with 'Meat Is Murder' for me.

grac | 23 September 2008 - 8:58am

The big one for me

is The Road To Hell Part 2 by Chris Rea. It's a 1999 sequel in name only to his 1989 album. It has a very dated sounding synthesiser shimmer on all the songs and it's usually dismissed as his worst album. I think Rea himself has disowned it as a contractual obligation as none of these tracks turn up on any of his best of releases. I bought it for £2 from Music Zone with rock bottom expectations.

Although I didn't care for it, I did find myself coming back to it on a regular basis. Eventually I made space for it on my 20Gb Creative Zen and found myself seriously digging it.

My take on it is that it's not a conventional rock album, but an experimental piece that mixes blues rock, disco drums, ambient production and Pink Floyd style found sounds (there's lots of talking voices all over it). A great album that fans of The Wall era Pink Floyd should investigate.

LOUDspeaker | 23 September 2008 - 10:08am

Said it before but. . .

my favourite solo John Lennon album really, truly, honestly, is the Lost Weekend-era, Spectored up to the hilt and proud of it Rock 'n' Roll.

Archie Valparaiso | 23 September 2008 - 9:28am

Seconded.

and it was on a cheapo vinyl label too. Bargain brilliance.

Vulpes Vulpes | 23 September 2008 - 9:48am

Thirded

Far outstrips his solo original stuff, which contains much too high an SCQ (Self-indulgent Crap Quotient. Please excuse condescending brackets...) for my liking.

nigelthebald | 23 September 2008 - 10:31am

Nobody

opting for the 'Wedding Album' then??

eddie g | 23 September 2008 - 10:36am

You mean the Leon Russell one?

That's excellent in its own way.

Vulpes Vulpes | 23 September 2008 - 11:50am

4d

"Just Because" is brilliant...you should have been there!

dolly | 23 September 2008 - 10:46am

In fact

Is it the best covers album of all time?

dolly | 23 September 2008 - 10:46am

Covers albums?

I reckon 'Pin Up's' deserves a mench.

eddie g | 23 September 2008 - 11:09am

Second Coming Seconded.

For me, while I loved the charm and effortless tunefulness of the first album, this was the better release, as it fits well with my liking for loud rocky guitar heroics and good hooks. I played it to death in the car at the time; I was working a long way from home and spending inordinate amounts of time crossing the country on routes with no motorway option. Second Coming and Led Zeppelin 2 were on constant rotation, and probably kept me sane for 6 months or more.

Vulpes Vulpes | 23 September 2008 - 9:53am

Free and GP

Free's follow up to hti album Fire and Water was Highway. Generally slated for being more of the same. To an extent true, after all it was Free and they had a very distinctive sound. But ht e quality of the songs was exceptional. It's my favourite Free album.
Graham Parker's Stick To Me was panned on release. I can't really remember why. It's not his best by a long way (Squeezing Out Sparks was his peak) but it deserved a better reception than it received.

Carl Parker | 23 September 2008 - 10:17am

The Fannies

'Thirteen' by Teenage Fanclub. Still my favourite album by them despite both the band and just about everyone else slagging it off.

Jamie_Bowman | 23 September 2008 - 10:30am

Totally agree

I think it shits on their other stuff. Great opening salvo - Hang On, The Cabbage and Radio. Love Fear of Flying too

Chimney Singing Crow | 23 September 2008 - 11:27am

I absolutely love it

At one stage I couldn't get through the day without listening to "Gene Clark". I'm better now.

Sgt Pluck | 23 September 2008 - 12:21pm

Interesting Choice

It's not my favourite TF album, but there is some great stuff on there. Tears Are Cool is my highlight.

kidpresentable | 23 September 2008 - 4:28pm

Thirteen gets my grand prix!

Totally agree, 'Thirteen' a wonderful album. I was going to add it to this list, glad I was beaten to it.

lisbon | 26 September 2008 - 12:23pm

Sandinista!

A big mess of musical enthusiasm, with something for everyone!

Nick White | 23 September 2008 - 11:55am

spot on

I love this sprawling dubby Clash album even the kiddy singalongs seem to fit in. The Clash produce an album that sounds better today than when it was released.

Bang Em In Bingham | 23 September 2008 - 12:36pm

The Second Coming....

Pheessh....such revisionism!

Daybreak anyone?

Be Here Now - would have been a great album had a more disciplined producer been on shift. It's Getting Better Man would be a great 3m 30sec single!

My nominee for this would be Rock and Roll by Ryan Adams. The one the record company insisted he record after he turned in Love is Hell as a follow up to Gold. Great sounding "F*** You" record!

John Waite | 23 September 2008 - 12:14pm

I heard that someone

has edited the new Metallica album. He/she removed intros, outros and guitar solos, all the bloat to get it down to the good bits. Could you not do this yourself? Even if the joins are unsubtle, wouldn't it be better?

I've always hated the pointless unmelodic breakdown section in "Whole Lotta Love" by Led Zep. So I just cut it out so now the song is only a few seconds over four minutes. The song is much improved. Luckily the drumming is very basic at that point so the edit is seamless.

Google MP3 Direct Cut for an editor.

LOUDspeaker | 23 September 2008 - 1:12pm

You

heathen.

Vulpes Vulpes | 23 September 2008 - 2:42pm

What is good about it?

It's incredibly boring and pointless. I once heard it described as the sound of Robert Plant having an orgasm over the sound of the Vietnam war. Okay, interesting, never thought of it like that before, I'll have to give it another listen. Eh, no. It sounds like nothing. Just a waste of the listeners time.

LOUDspeaker | 23 September 2008 - 3:25pm

Death Of A Ladies Man

is a lot better than people think. When you get into the lyrics and the song structure you've got your standard, brilliant Cohen, simply housed in some typical Spector production. Still great though. And people always get put off by Don't Go Home With Your Hard-On which is actually a classic with a superb lyric - people are just prudish.

The other one for me would be Self-Portrait by Dylan. Whether this was to 'get out of the contract' or not I think it has some fantastic stuff on it like Wigwam, All The Tired Horses and Take A Message To Mary, plus a hilarious version of The Boxer. the whole CD seems like someone having fun and wildly experimenting. Maybe it wouldn't be so controversial nowadays but I can imagine why it offended so many at the time.

What helps with both these albums of course is fantastic playing and musicianship. That can't be underestimated.

dannyboy3000 | 23 September 2008 - 12:30pm

yes

I havent heard "Ladies Man" but "Self Portrait" s a very warm, friendly, enjoyable Dylan album.

Bang Em In Bingham | 23 September 2008 - 12:41pm

I second that Death Of A Ladies Man

- True Love Leaves No Traces is an ace tune with a fabulous, ambiguous lyric.

ganglesprocket | 23 September 2008 - 1:06pm

Unless my memory fails me...

I seem to remember "Be Here Now" was hugely hyped pre-release and then lauded with garlands and 5 star reviews on its release, and certainly was claimed to be their magnum opus!

It's over time that it's been revised by the critics as "Not Quite As Good As We First Claimed".

Personally, BHN didn't do it for me at all... having loved the first two albums (and still do), I stopped buying their albums from then on.

Hannah | 23 September 2008 - 2:18pm

That's what I mean

The reviews at the time are now depicted as the work of deluded loons undre pressure to deliver incredible reviews based on one supervised listen to the LP. It's since become heresy to suggest that it's actually pretty good. The received wisdom is that 'Be Here Now' is The One To Avoid.

Chimney Singing Crow | 23 September 2008 - 3:15pm

Would that be 'the Costello effect'...?

The Juliet Letters, Spike and Mighty Like a Rose, in fact the majority of his 90's output seem to have had the 5 star treatment on release to be re-assessed afterwards...

I actually like Zooropa more than any other U2 records, even through it was met with a bit of a shrug when it came out as seems to have been regarding as one of their minor releases since, probably because Bono doesn't give it loads of messianic as on most of their other albums.

jimmymack | 23 September 2008 - 3:12pm

It started out as an EP

but got bloated out into a full length album. So it started out feeling like a minor work, a stop-gap release, and it never really shrugged that feeling off.

The album is okay.

LOUDspeaker | 23 September 2008 - 3:21pm

I have an old Mojo...

...with irate readers writing in about Charles Shaar Murray's rave review of 'Be Here Now'. The whole of the UK music press seemingly went mad about it when it was released; there was a comical blog on The Guardian a while back addressing this very subject. I remember Coldplay's 'X And Y' had a similar effect- when it was released, 5 stars were dolled out to it by various publications. Now it's seen as a bit of a clunker.

I need to give 'Zooropa' a go, I really like 'Achtung Baby' after all (probably U2's best and most inventive release), and it surely must be more interesting than their last two, very conservative, releases.

JJ | 23 September 2008 - 3:27pm

Zooropa...

...is probably my favourite U2 album, alongside Achtung Baby. Great record, excellent for driving.

risles | 26 September 2008 - 1:20pm

Be Here Now

It's not as bad as people say, but I don't think it's great either. For me, Noel's lyrics took a bit of a dive on that one and this jumps out far more than the guitars. This one always sticks out for me in particular:

"And as you look into the eyes of a bloody cold assassin,
It's only then you'll realise with who's life you have been messin'."

Still, I'd say "D'Y'Know What I Mean" is probably my favourite Oasis single and the title track is really good too.

kidpresentable | 23 September 2008 - 4:37pm

Tales from Topographic Oceans...

...by Yes.
Not nearly as long or pretentious as critics made out at the time.

Roy Levy | 23 September 2008 - 7:51pm

Timing

Is it shorter now than it was then?

Carl Parker | 23 September 2008 - 9:48pm

Let's hope so.

Because I sincerely doubt whether it's any less pretentious.

nigelthebald | 23 September 2008 - 10:26pm

I love Tales as well...

...not their best but has some great material. I have no idea what Captain Beefheart or Scott Walker or- most of the time- David Bowie is singing about anymore than I do Jon Anderson, but you don't hear them tainted with the 'pretentious' brush.

It is long, though, I'll give you that.

JJ | 24 September 2008 - 11:48am

hang on, CarlP...

...I'll have a quick listen

Roy Levy | 24 September 2008 - 5:42pm

or

a long listen.

Carl Parker | 24 September 2008 - 7:02pm

can't talk now...

...it's still playing

Roy Levy | 24 September 2008 - 8:19pm

Drama by Yes and Bring 'em All In by Mike Scott

Drama: Never mind TFTO. The Buggles join Yes and, to my ears, produce a really good record. I reckon tracks like Into the Lens and Tempus Fugit still sound pretty exhilarating and stand up to stuff like Roundabout.

Bring 'em All In: all the press reviews of this album seemed to concentrate on the religious content of some of the songs. They seemed to insinuate that Scott was a former rocker gone bland born again. Actually, it's the only consistently good albums he's been involved with. In fact, I'd go so far as to say Long Way to the Light is the best song he's ever written.

Jim Thomas | 29 September 2008 - 10:22am

Costello

I remember Mighty like a rose getting a panning but I think it is very good indeed - songs like After the fall, the other side of summer and So like Candy are exceptional and then Couldnt call it unexpected which featured as a staple closer of his live shows in recent years sung unaccompanied and without microphone. if you have seen him perform this live it gives a completely different dimension to the song.
Also if you have heard the promo interview he did for Itunes last year or the year before he spoke about the making of Invasion Hit Parade and then proceed to play an acoustic version of it. The beauty of many of Costellos songs is that they can be easily accomodated into different genres - witness the film noir version of Watching the detectives. Aside from being one of our very best lyricists he also has an exceptional musical ear.

Steve Turner | 23 September 2008 - 8:00pm

Brutal Not Brutal

I always thought Brutal Youth was a fantastic Costello album.

Pat Carty | 24 September 2008 - 11:46am

What about the classic

PJ & Duncan

Top Katz

Its even got Stepping Stone on it.

"Medics".........................!

Springer Bell | 25 September 2008 - 2:26pm

Can I put in a plea for Wings Wild Life?

This has been universally panned bith at the time of release and since but I love most of it. There are some good songs inclduing:

Some People Never Know
Dear Friend
and a nice version of Love is Strange

Granted Bip Bop and Mumbo weren't Macca's best work but fun nonetheless.

Tony Fry | 26 September 2008 - 11:20am

Tim Machine (first album)

...There, I've said it. Apart from 'Heaven in Here', it's ace. I might even give it a spin right now...

nicktf | 29 September 2008 - 4:47pm

"It's Hard" by The Who

I like it. "Face Dances" is so-so but I enjoy "It's Hard". I like the dated synths on it and I think the songwriting is decent. Anyway, I prefer it to the rather stodgy "By Numbers" and "Who Are You".

LOUDspeaker | 30 September 2008 - 9:40am