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Flying in the face of fashion

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So I was reminded of Led Zeppelin last week, and headed for the "L" section of my CD rack, but what album did I go for? Why yes, the universally-derided "In Through The Out Door", which I hereby declare to be my favourite Zep album. Why? At the beginning of my very first record-buying years, I got caught up in the Zep at Knebworth hype, and bought this then-new album, and as it was one of the first half-dozen albums I ever bought, was duly played to death in the following months and years... that feeling is still with me, and I am not ashamed!

So where do you split from the orthodoxy? Do you think Radiohead lost it after "Pablo Honey"? That R.E.M. only really hit their stride when they got rid of Bill Berry? That The Stones peaked with "Dirty Work"? Or that Wings are "the band The Beatles could have been?"

Confess! You'll feel better for it...

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"Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk"

is better than "Grace", even though it blatantly isn't and I know it isn't. It still is.

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Fraser M | 3 June 2009 - 2:44pm

It actually is!

Or at least, it is for me.

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kidpresentable | 3 June 2009 - 8:12pm

and actually

"Everybody Here Wants You" is the best thing he ever did. Lewis Taylor has a fine version too

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Sheev | 4 June 2009 - 1:00pm

hmmmm

OK, here are some unfashionable opinions:

Wings: Wild Life is underrated, but Back to the Egg is probably the best Wings album

Floyd: The Final Cut is a meisterwerk

Brooce: The Only album I like is Magic

I find that albums where acts supposedly "got it wrong" are a better insight then the more traditional, cannonical pieces, so In Through The Outdoor is more interesting in some ways than LZ4...

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DrJ | 3 June 2009 - 2:47pm

with you

on Magic... it sounds, to my lugs, like someone influenced by 'the boss' rather than the old bugger himself - for me, that's a good thing.

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badartdog | 3 June 2009 - 8:01pm

I also love Magic

I once heard Mark Radcliffe describe "Girls in Their Summer Clothes" as Ian McNabb doing a Brusce Springsteen impression. Which is actually a good thing. "Radio Nowhere" also sounds like Karaoke Springsteen. All good.

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Iainso | 4 June 2009 - 11:00am

any fule kno that Led Zep III is the

best album of all time this week.

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Sheev | 3 June 2009 - 3:23pm

The Waterboys do

Sweet Thing better than Van

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Simon Ford | 3 June 2009 - 3:32pm

The Waterboys do most things better than Van

I also love In Through The Out Door as it too was the first Led Zep album I bought in 1979. In The Evening is one of their all time classic tunes.

Not sure I can stretch to the Blondie album though - Parallel Lines is the one for me being one of the first albums I ever bought.

As for Wings neing the band The Beatles would have become, I doubt it. That was ELO!

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Uncle Wheaty | 3 June 2009 - 3:55pm

The band the Beatles could have been

The Rutles, shurely?

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man.of.soup | 5 June 2009 - 12:08am

I prefer

Mary Star of the Sea by Zwan to any Smashing Pumpkins album

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Joe R | 3 June 2009 - 3:53pm

Purple Dame

Deep Purple's Come Taste The Band is my equivalent to your In Thru Out Door, Mickey. It's their completely crap swansong but even a few bars (about all any reasonable person can stand) takes me back to being 12 and coveting it and its immensely rubbish cover. I had the same historical accident with Bowie's David Live, the first LP I ever bought. The Dame is snowed out of his tree and the band utterly indifferent - although the epic Sweet Thing* is good. I held it close for years and it still holds a place in a spooky way.

*in the light of Simon's post above: maybe we've hit a seam here about tracks called 'Sweet Thing' on otherwise awful albums being quite good?

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Paul Bernays | 3 June 2009 - 3:54pm

any fule kno that David Live

is the best live album ever made this week

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Sheev | 3 June 2009 - 4:00pm

Explain the logic

underlining your premise, Sheev please .

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Paul Bernays | 3 June 2009 - 4:13pm

Logic schmogic - just is - is all

Okay I'll have a go.

That Sweet Thing bit you mention was the first time I "got" Bowie. And then shortly after I saw "Cracked Actor" the Omnibus documentary filmed around the same time that David Live was made. And then shortly after that I saw "The Man who fell to Earth" which capitalizes on, arguably expolits, Bowie's fractured persona of the time. And this concurrence of events turned me into a massive Bowienista. Overnight. Have been since -so I shall always be grateful to David Live for that.

And then shortly after that - to return to the theme of the thread - I heard Station to Station - which as any fule kno - is the best Bowie album ever made.

David Live as a document of a major artist in near breakdown but recovering his mojo through re-imagining his work via the tropes of R&B and Soul is fascinating. I genuinely think that it features some of the best singing of his career. After all, he had Luther Vandross in the backing chorus - so he had to pull his finger out. Damnn near put his larynx out trying - by the sound of it

One more thing - his version of Knock on Wood is not the best ever - but it led to my discovery of Soul/R&B - for which I shall be eternally grateful.

And one final thing - "All the Young Dudes" is one of the best pop songs ever written and the version on David Live knocks spots off Mott

And, of course, I caveat all of the above with "IMHO" and "Mileage May Vary" stickers and reserve the right to revise my opinions at any time

http://open.spotify.com/track/0SL8oyuvntMh5KU3xQ2ydb

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Sheev | 3 June 2009 - 4:50pm

No argument, no contest ...

"Station to Station - which as any fule kno - is the best Bowie album ever made."

Also followed - as numerous bootlegs attest - by his best ever live shows which for some unfathomable reason have never seen an official light of day.

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Steven C | 3 June 2009 - 5:07pm

Praise be!

I can't recall the number of times I have argued for Station to Station against Hunky Dory or Ziggy (which are both good). It is his best work, crystallised into an epic 37 minutes.

I'm delighted to hear that others think the same.

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Iainso | 4 June 2009 - 11:04am

Couldn't have

put it better myself. Respect an' all. Although Luther Vandross is only on Young Americans, not this one.

The torturing of Knock on Wood is nowhere near as traumatic as the later Tin Machine hanging, drawing and quartering of Working Class Hero. Actually Wood is saved, as the rest of David Live, by the unflappable rhythm section of Herbie Flowers and Tony Newman.

And I agree the album and Arena doc make for an incredible piece of rock verite - as well as showing the clumsily aimed Velvet Goldmine movie to be the rather pointless and silly thing it was. But the value of my opinions can go down as well as up and I may not recover my original premise.

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Paul Bernays | 3 June 2009 - 5:24pm

Ta - much obliged

and incidentally brief glimpses of LV on clip below around 4'20 onwards - DB rehearsing with his backing singers - just shows that in the middle of his snowbound hell - he remained a true professional paying attention to the craft. Like all those who make things look or sound easy - he works damn hard

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Sheev | 3 June 2009 - 7:39pm

sorry, now with added clip


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Sheev | 3 June 2009 - 10:41pm

CTTB

Nice one - I still love Come Taste the Band, with its funky bass playing, amazing guitar from Tommy Bolin, and David Coverdale on fab vocals. Clearly not the Purple most people know and love, but a great band and album.

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Twangothan | 4 June 2009 - 4:21pm

Nooooo

Stormbringer is the best Purple album by a long chalk - Glenn Hughes funky bass and Coverdale vocals beat anything the 'classic' Purps ever did.

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stimpy | 8 June 2009 - 10:09am
Sheev | 8 June 2009 - 11:09am

I'd agree that Burn is the single best

track the Purps ever did - not so sure about the rest of the album though.

Mind you, Mistreated was always a showstopper - it lasted well into the Whitesnake era as well

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stimpy | 8 June 2009 - 1:21pm

Agreed...

'Burn' has the greatest riff Blackmore ever played and is the best thing Purple ever did.

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Patrick Crowther | 22 June 2009 - 12:31pm

Well, since you ask ...

'One Trick Pony' is the best ever Paul Simon album (also better than anything by S&G for that matter);

'Back To The Egg' is, as noted above, definitively the best Wings / Paul McCartney album and

I'd frankly far rather listen to 'Street Legal' than 'Blonde On Blonde'.

The fact that all of these came out around 1978-79 when I was 15 may have some bearing.

Zep-wise 'Physical Graffiti' is ahead by a Black Country mile.

Otherwise, as you were.

EDIT: This just in ... 'Kid A' better than 'OK Computer'

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Steven C | 3 June 2009 - 8:30pm

You are so right to heap praise on 'One Trick Pony'...

it suffers from being the 'soundtrack' to the awful movie of the same name.

I don't think 'Physical Graffiti' is a particularly controversial choice as best Zeppelin album... it's long been recognized as a masterpiece, unlike 'In Through The Out Door'.

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Patrick Crowther | 3 June 2009 - 11:27pm

Maybe its because

it was the first one I heard but I love Led Zep 1. It is a fabulous, confident sounding record. I cant stand Led Zep 2 or 3 or Physical Graffiti!! I also love David Bowie's "Space Oddity" album much more than any of the other classics.

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Bingham | 3 June 2009 - 4:11pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

The Floyd only got going when they stopped recording nursery rhymes and got Gilmour in to replace the other one.

And Tom Waits has been rubbish since the missus started putting her oar in.

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Paul Waring | 3 June 2009 - 4:56pm

Nah

Pipers is still the one..Gilmour is a one trick pony!

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Bingham | 3 June 2009 - 5:21pm

The Stone Roses second album...

is better than their first. And even that's not very good.

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Cobweb Steve | 3 June 2009 - 5:41pm

Pixies

"Surfer Rosa" - far superior to the more critically lauded "Doolittle".

Radiohead's only good album is "The Bends".

Buzzcocks "Trade Test Transmissions" when they reformed, much better album than any of their previous ones (as an album on the whole I mean).

Beatles "Revolver" much, much better than Sgt. Peppers.

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Retro Man | 3 June 2009 - 5:56pm

Erasure are great...

...particularly the 'Erasure' album which didn't sell too well. And they're better than the Pet Shop Boys!

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dilbert01 | 3 June 2009 - 5:57pm

Not having that

PSB are sooooooo much better - wider scope, better songs, much more heart (and art). Erasure always seemed a bit Woolworths to PSB undoubted Fortnum and Mason.

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Black Type | 6 June 2009 - 4:41pm

Ian Dury

Do It Yourself has long been my favourite Dury, far superior to the much acclaimed New Boots and Panties. The Blockhead's at their funkiest!

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Bingham | 3 June 2009 - 5:59pm

Friends tell me off about the following...

The Smiths never made a totally good album. (It's all about the opportunistic rip-off compilations.)

Easy target these days, perhaps, but I don't think Prince is that good, apart from a few nifty singles.

AC/DC records actually vary quite a bit. Listen to 'The Razor's Edge', people!

And following on from earlier posts...the best REM album is 'Up', and the best Led Zep album is 'Houses of the Holy'.

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Specs_Beard | 3 June 2009 - 6:38pm

Prince - a few nifty singles?

I can't agree.

Classic mid 1980s albums from Purple Rain through to Sign Of The Times prove he was more than a singles artist - I accept this was more the case in the 1990s though.

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Uncle Wheaty | 3 June 2009 - 9:42pm

He's also made great albums

before and since - '1999', 'The Gold Experience' to name but two...

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Black Type | 6 June 2009 - 4:44pm

Springsteen

Springsteen's first two albums, Greetings from Asbury Park and The Wild, The Innocent and The E Street Shuffle are two of the finest albums ever made, and are far more interesting than anything that he came up with subsequently. The exuberance of a man new to manhood has never been expressed so eloquently.

The only Sensational Alex Harvey Band I can listen to regularly from start to finish is SAHB Stories. I love every moment of it.

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smithylad | 3 June 2009 - 6:52pm

Early Springsteen

too mealy mouthed. "Bummer in the Summer etc etc" still love both those albums though just for the sheer exuberance!

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Bingham | 3 June 2009 - 7:38pm

I believe the formula for any given Springsteen album is

(B. Dylan + V. Morrison) - (Italian poet from the 13thC.) x C. Berry x (10/year of release) = Springsteen

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Steven C | 3 June 2009 - 8:23pm

Apart from Physical Graffiti of course

my favourite Led Zep lp is actually the sometimes derided Presence

The only other example I can think of my being unorthodox is I have always thought the "classic" Rolling Stones era was their early days when they were basically a covers band.

It's probably because the only Stones lp we had in our house for a very long time was an elcheapo, advertised on TV, compilation called "Stoned" which consisted entirely of songs like Route 66, Down the Road Apiece, Fortune Teller, Walking The Dog, Little Red Rooster etc. It was a bloody good album obviously.

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Cookieboy | 3 June 2009 - 7:47pm

Presence

is undoubtedly their best album - Pagey is on one from start to finish. Why it's not the punters' choice has long been a mystery to me.

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Fitter Stoke | 4 June 2009 - 5:31pm

'Presence' rocks...

junkie rockabilly from Saturn. Why it has been so slammed over the years is a complete mystery to me... it really is a brilliant record.

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Patrick Crowther | 4 June 2009 - 7:30pm

Achilles Last Stand

is pretty hard to beat; one of their best, amazing energy. Shocking album cover though!

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Adhoc Man | 4 June 2009 - 9:36pm

Morrissey Solo

Whilst he's admittedly been a little less consistent, I'm more sold on Morrissey solo than I am on The Smiths. That's not to say I don't rate both periods very highly.

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kidpresentable | 3 June 2009 - 8:15pm

REM

Lifes Rich Pageant is their best for me.

Steely Dan - Aja is my least favourite album yet I believe is their biggest seller.
Radiohead went down the nick with OK Computer.

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Steve Turner | 3 June 2009 - 8:23pm

Fables of the Reconstruction

has long been my favourite (and even the band don't like that one)!

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Fitter Stoke | 5 June 2009 - 10:46pm

Seconded

'Fables' and 'Up' are their high-points; 'Murmur' and 'Reckoning' are mostly good - the rest of their output (most of which I loved at the time) I now think has a good stuff to filler ratio of about 20:80.

I've read that Michael Stipe is actually quite keen on 'Fables', but I'm not sure he's convinced the rest of the band.

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joyneski | 6 June 2009 - 3:07pm

Eels

I just find "Electro-Shock Blues" to be an over-long, mumbly dirge of an album, way inferior to "Daisies Of The Galaxy", which never fails to fill me with joy. And "Shootenanny!" is mostly great.

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Cadabra | 3 June 2009 - 8:35pm

Whisper it quietly

but I really like Queen.

Not quite enough to want to see We Will Rock You, but albums are Live Killers and Queen are pretty bloody great.

And there haven't been many better frontmen in music than Mr Bulsara.

They've been overshadowed by their 'greatest hits', such as BoHum, WWRY and We are the Champions.

I know they're mocked but it's tough not to enjoy tracks like Fat Bottomed Girls, Sheer Heart Attack or Seven Seas of Rhye

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robram | 3 June 2009 - 10:15pm

I'm happy to shout it

Queen made a lot of good music, a lot of which didn't turn up on their Greatest Hits - which was still a bloody good collection of singles. I've probably said this before, but A Night At The Opera is a superb album all the way through. Day At The Races and Sheer Heart Attack not too shabby either. Even right at the end there was some good stuff: The Show Must Go On is a stunner, and The Days Of Our Lives is very touching.

I've long since given up trying to understand why some people hate Queen quite so viscerally.

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Theo Zoffrok | 3 June 2009 - 11:22pm

Perhaps because

... They're staggeringly over-rated? Same with Abba or the Bee Gees (say)- very good pop bands, but maybe not necessarily great or consistent? Yet, of course, very, very popular indeed - this dulls people's critical faculties, I suspect.

Personally I'm lukewarm about Queen; for some reason they fail to move me. Not sure why.

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man.of.soup | 5 June 2009 - 12:17am

I like them as well - particularly the 70s stuff

But after the response to my thread on Supertramp and ELO I'll keep my head down for now.

Live Killers is a truly great live album.

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Uncle Wheaty | 5 June 2009 - 5:18pm

You are not alone...

...at least as far as their first six albums go. I'd have to say Queen were my favourite group of the 70's and I still listen to most of their output up to and including 'News of the World' with a lot of enjoyment.

Alas, I thought (and still think) their 'Fat-Bottomed Girls/Bicycle Race' single was truly, truly awful and apart from liking a few of their subsequent hits I pretty much dropped them after that. I was glad they did so well at Live Aid, though, and hearing the news of Freddie Mercury's death is about the only time I've ever felt even remotely saddened by a 'celebrity' death (cold-hearted swine that I am).

Glad I've got that off my chest. Carry on. As you were.

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joyneski | 6 June 2009 - 3:44pm

Yes! The version of Sweet Thing on CRACKED ACTOR is

outstanding.

That doc is the reason i got into him after it was repeated in 1993.


Talk about a film that's crying out for a DVD release. What could be the hold up?

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sandamiano | 4 June 2009 - 7:09am

I'm startled by all this 'Back to the Egg' hype.

Must give that another listen.

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sandamiano | 4 June 2009 - 7:12am

Arrow Through Me

is vintage Macca. Love the line "if you'da started at nothing, and counted to zero..."

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DougieJ | 4 June 2009 - 12:13pm

"Yes, what is it Lt. Sheev ?- Spit it out man"

"Look, Sir ...I ...I think I prefer Rod Stewart's version of 'This Old Heart of Mine' to the Isley Brothers"

The Major said nothing for several moments, before reaching into the cabinet and producing a revolver and a bottle of malt whiskey, placing them on the desk in front of me

"I think you know what to do" he said.

He placed a hand on my shoulder, began as if to say something but thinking better of it, he simply turned and left the room. I heard the door click behind him

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Sheev | 4 June 2009 - 8:45am

No worries, sheev.

I'll shoot you :-)

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nigelthebald | 4 June 2009 - 8:59am

And I'll drink the whisky

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Gatz | 4 June 2009 - 9:21am

Teamwork

Gatz and me - we're like a well-oiled machine.

Gatz is the well-oiled part, obviously.

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nigelthebald | 4 June 2009 - 9:26am

"Damndest thing" said the Major

"Somehow or other Sheev managed to shoot himself between his own shoulder blades - and what's more the bottle of Malt was nowhere to be seen."

"Bizarre" agreed Captain Bald

"Hic" said Lt. Gatz

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Sheev | 4 June 2009 - 12:21pm

I prefer Heaven 17 to the Human League

Easy to say in 2009, but I mean in 1980-1985. Pre-split HL, incl. "both" groups were a shocking din, however.

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Retropath2 | 4 June 2009 - 9:08am

Early HL

is really interesting and innovative stuff - "Travelogue" in particular still sounds great to these ears.

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Black Type | 6 June 2009 - 4:48pm

Agreed on "Travelogue"...

... even though Phil Oakey hates it (he still rates "Reproduction" though!) I love both HL incarnations, the early urban alienation years and the ultrapop superhits... but wasn't this a great phase in music, when it was possible for bands to change almost overnight? Human League, Adam & The Ants, Scritti Politti, they all went from ultra-alternative mavens to hit factories within the space of an album, has anyone else done that trick since?

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Metal Mickey | 8 June 2009 - 9:02am

The Dame's finest moment

was, of course, "The Laughing Gnome". But then again, I love REM's "Shiny Happy People", however vehemently the scowling Stipe may disown it.

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Paul Vincent | 4 June 2009 - 11:44am

Stones' golden period

Am I the only one who thinks Goat's Head Soup is better than any Beggars Bleedin Fingers malarkey?
Taxi already outside.

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Charlie Gordon | 4 June 2009 - 11:55am

I've got your back on that one

Am prepared to split cab fare.

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Steven C | 4 June 2009 - 12:02pm

Goat's Head Soup

is indeed good - probably as good as Bleed and Fingers, though some way short of Exile (not the "Kiss You All Over" hitmakers - although that's not bad).

Also similarly good is "It's Only Rock and Roll".

These albums are good because they feature the fantastic Mick Taylor. Loveable though Ron Wood is - he is essentially a cartoon. "Black and Blue" marks the moment when the Stones became a cartoon band.

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Sheev | 4 June 2009 - 12:14pm

Well now ...

you see, I'd say that moment came with 'Luxury' (and the departure (in more than one sense) of producer Jimmy Miller)

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Steven C | 4 June 2009 - 12:26pm

yes, a fine point

although the nadir of Jagger's "blackness" is surely on "Fool to Cry" - a song that Clarence "Patches" Carter would struggle to make palatable.

Actually - the wheels do start to come off at IKIOR&R - but redeemed by Fingerprint File, Time Waits For No-One and Till the Next Time we say Goodbye.

However - I warm to the album - for sentimental reasons - as it was really the first time I was aware of the Stones - and remember the ridiculous escapades dressed in sailors suits inside a tent filling with foam with affection.

Little did I know that I would re-enact that video years later in Ibiza. Minus the sailors suits...

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Sheev | 4 June 2009 - 12:43pm

IKIOR'n'R

Was my first Stones album so I share your affection. I think you picked the right tracks. It all started getting a bit slack and uninspired round that time though. Yet I do love 'Fool To Cry'. Possibly as was first time I saw them on TV - TOTP promo film- and the experience affected me powerfully. This weird looking, ugly, yet dolled-up bunch who I found so compelling? It's a strange track - cheesy, yet still got some of that old magic lingering on.

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Sven Garlic | 4 June 2009 - 1:02pm

The ratio of wheat to chaff did

begin to alter drastically around 1974-76, and I remember at the time thinking 'Black and Blue' was dreadful. The endless anthologising started around that time too. Now however I would say 'Hand of Fate' is a bit of a lost classic, and I saw them do a fantastic version of 'Memory Hotel' on the last tour, albeit it was in Boston so it brought the house down. The LP version is about 4 minutes too long! And there is absolutely no excuse for 'Cherry Oh Baby' which (IMHO) is arguably the lowest point of their career.

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Steven C | 4 June 2009 - 1:14pm

Frank Zappa

Hardened Zappa/Mothers fans always maintain that FZ's golden period was the early years - Freak Out, Uncle Meat, We're Only In It For The Money, Chunga's Revenge etc. Much though I like that early stuff (particularly the atypical Hot Rats), too much of it sounds - to my ears - as though they were having more fun than the listener. For me, the golden period was the Hot Rats / Overnite Sensation / Apostrophe(') / One Size Fits All sequence (plus the fabulous live Roxy and Elsewhere album). These were Frank's early forays into "comedy music", but a sillier humour than the later, more bitter and scatological variety (Dinah-Moe Humm notwithstanding), which struck a chord with this teenage Python fan. Likewise, the playing was virtuosic (lots of terrific xylophone and marimba from Ruth Underwood), but without the flashy showoff wankery that would mar much of FZ's later albums (again, excellent though many of them were).

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Paul Vincent | 4 June 2009 - 12:26pm

Spot on

Apostrophe and the Roxy album have always been the standout albums for me. Later allbums had some great tracks - Black Napkins, The Torture Never Stops, Valley Girl etc but were never as consistent as a whole. With the early stuff it just felt like I was never in on the joke.

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fortuneight | 4 June 2009 - 1:49pm

totally...

I got into Zappa by raiding my Dad's record collection. Zappa was long dead by this stage. I know I'm giving away my age here, but there ya go. I dug out Apostrophe, and that era has, ever since, been my favourite. With you all the way Paul.

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fastforward | 4 June 2009 - 9:57pm

Non-musical

I quite liked Godfather III, I think Keira Knightley is a fine actress and the last two Christoher Nolan Batman films were utter nonsense, so there !

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On The Fence | 4 June 2009 - 4:29pm

The Charlatans

Not a group that gets much credit/attention but the quality of their output over a long period outstrips all of their contemporaries, including big hitters like Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Happy Mondays, The La's, Stone Roses, Supergrass, Primal Scream, Verve etc

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kb | 4 June 2009 - 4:37pm

I'm waiting for someone to cast a vote for Trans

I quite like this oddball Moroder-ish version of 'Mr. Soul'.


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Joey Jones | 4 June 2009 - 4:38pm

The Charlatans are a good shout

Amazing live at their peak (Glastonbury 2002 on the main stage - fantastic) and A Man Needs To Be Told is a flat out classic that never gets enough hype.

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sandamiano | 4 June 2009 - 4:48pm

Thanks

They have probably 25 or 30 songs that are top top notch. Even really big hitters (I'm talking Beatles, Who, Stones) would struggle to match that.

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kb | 4 June 2009 - 4:53pm

Agreed and...

I think they began to lose their mojo after Berry left.

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sleepytigercub | 4 June 2009 - 5:12pm

Van Morrison

I prefer Moondance to Astral Weeks. That said, I hope VM doesn't decide to make "a new version".

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popesta | 4 June 2009 - 5:50pm

Jimmy Eat World

They only really got going with Bleed American. Everything before that was kinda rough. Good, but not AS good as the later stuff.

Having said that, I turned on 'Clarity' as I started typing this, and it's actually pretty good. I dunno...

It's all good actually.

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fastforward | 4 June 2009 - 9:54pm

Roxy Music

Never been a fan, but had a wonderful drunken epiphany at a late night party (thrown by much older people) while listening to Avalon when I was a teenager. Thought it was flippin marvellous, went back to Du Noyer-editorship era Q for some tips (back issues under the upside down 6ft snooker table stored under my bed), and bought the lauded albums. Hated them, still do, apart from the usual singles. Still love Avalon though.

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PaddyH | 5 June 2009 - 12:29am

80s Bowie / McCartney

I was born in 1973 - set on a course that would bring me into perfect alignment with 1980s pop. With the exception of a couple of Nick Kershaw tapes I didn’t buy an album until I was 17 or 18. Instead I consumed music through the radio and Top of the Pops. The latter I would watch religiously while unsuccessfully attempting to scribble down the week’s top ten. I did this for the benefit of my mother, who with hindsight wasn’t remotely interested in the chart position of the latest Madness single. Our next door neighbours would occasionally send round boxes containing second-hand copies of Smash Hits and it’s oikish rival Number One. I used these magazines like hymnbooks, piling them up next to my bed and singing the printed lyrics to my favourite songs before going to sleep.

I had no concept of release dates, or where the promotion for one album ended and the next began. All I knew was that, every few months, a new song by an artist I liked would appear on the radio. It was amazing hearing those early Prince and Madonna singles on Laser 558. However the two artists that dominated the 1980s for me were David Bowie and Paul McCartney.

The first David Bowie song I ever heard was Let’s Dance. Right from the outset, there was something about the man and his music that fascinated me. I liked the way that he put himself into heart of that song – really performing it, as opposed to just singing the words. China Girl, Modern Love, This Is Not America and Loving The Alien followed. There was something a bit mysterious about Bowie’s lyrics; they offered glimpse into an adult world which at the time was unknown to me and still very much cloaked in mystery.

The hellish aberration that was the David Bowie/Mick Jagger cover version of Dancing in the Street may well be the worst thing that ever happened to music. However it was soon brushed aside by the perfect pop of Absolute Beginners and the understated Never Let Me Down. Bowie had a good 80s, regardless of what anyone says.

I went down a very similar road with Paul McCartney. I had been aware of The Beatles from an early age, but I had no idea that he was a member of the band. McCartney appeared on my radar as a result of a duet he recorded with Stevie Wonder: Ebony and Ivory was a call for racial unity that, to jaded adult ears, comes across as a bit too right on. From a child’s perspective it was brilliant. This was the song that introduced me to the ugly concept of racism. Before then it hadn’t occurred to me that people would discriminate against one another on the basis of skin tone.

Paul McCartney recorded two great duets with Michael Jackson. The Girl is Mine was an undignified tug of war, with the pair fighting over the same woman. They are still bickering over the backing track as it fades out; Jackson appearing to have gained the upper hand, causing Paul to let out a wounded: “I don’t believe youuuuuuuuu.”

The better half of this short-lived creative partnership was Say, Say, Say, where Paul sings the verses, while Jackson attacks the chorus. It’s the kind of song that makes you want to dress up like John Travolta from Saturday Night Fever and execute a series of tight pirouettes under a disco ball, while your fellow clubbers look on in with a combination of envy and amazement. There is an hilariously bad video, which sees Paul and Michael cast as a pair of 19th century Snake Oil salesmen, and eloquently demonstrates why neither one of them has enjoyed a successful acting career.

McCartney’s solo work around this time was very good. No More Lonely Nights had an epic grandeur that was unfortunately stripped-away by a dire club mix, which also dispensed with the melody. We All Stand Together is still widely loathed for its whimsical video featuring Rupert the Bear and a chorus of frogs. It remains a lovely piece of music with a sweet unadorned sentiment. I have a dream that five minutes before the end of the world everyone will join hands and sing it in the face of whatever annihilating force is head earthwards. If The Beatles had released Pipes of Peace it would be rightly regarded as a national treasure.

The last McCartney song that I connected with was Spies Like Us – the wretched theme to a deservedly forgotten movie. My fondness for the song lies in the set of interpretive moves that I devised for it - a fusion of jerky krautrock-inspired robotics, topped-off with some wild air guitar. I used to perform this with the conviction of someone who genuinely believes that he has invented the most brilliant dance in the world.

If tomorrow I awoke in some bizarre dystopia where I was called upon to denounce these songs as part of a purge of 1980s culture, I couldn’t do it. The singles that Bowie and McCartney put out during that decade are pop masterpieces – great for the time in which they recorded and still great now.

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backwards7 | 5 June 2009 - 6:58am

Macca

Soft spot for his solo stuff (but not press to play)

One of the first tapes I owned was Tug of War when I was 11 and loved it - Get It, Wanderlust, Here Today etc.

Followed him throughout the 80s, with the Flowers in the Dirt album the reason I started listening to Elvis Costello

Never really followed Bowie in the 80s but I thought Absolute Beginners was great and this is probably my favorite Bowie track.

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Los Aromas | 5 June 2009 - 7:19pm
Retropath2 | 5 June 2009 - 8:13am

But......

Let me add something never before said: I love the Bowie and Jagger Dancing in the Streets. It lifted, for me, the very dull second half of Live Aid, as one of the doughty souls who sat thru' the whole World of it, from "Rockin' all over..." to "We are the...".
Whilst undoubtedly a good thing, Live Aid was often largely tosh, if one casts aside dewy eyed and pink lensed nostalgia. Especially the Philadelphia arm, with a Leaden Zeppelin and the rest of it. Duncan Goodhew's fulsome praise for Kenny Loggins I remember more clearly than many of the performances, for which I feel I should probably be grateful, so when the 2 buffoons came and clowned their way thru' a not half bad version of a very good song, it put cheer in my heart. I still smile as I recall them, camply careering about and bellowing in each others faces. I still like the song.
Conscience clear!

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Retropath2 | 5 June 2009 - 8:36am

I'm with you on this

- nothing will recapture the impact of seeing it first time. I couldn't get over how graceful Bowie was, and the sheer fun of the enterprise. I seem to remember the dynamic duo of this parish enthusing greatly about how it celebrated "why (Bowie and Jagger)got into music in the first place".

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Black Type | 6 June 2009 - 5:00pm

Did that end their 'credibility' ?

Have either of them been taken seriously since it happened? Each to their own, obviously, but I thought it was excrutiatingly awful - a case of any old shi te will do for charity - the equivalent of the BBC Newsreaders showing their caring side by performing a totally hilaire musickal routine for poorly children. Just wondering if that was the point when the world decided that B & J had had their day as 'artists' and weren't much cop as entertainers either. Maybe I'm wrong - maybe it was earlier than that.

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badartdog | 8 June 2009 - 9:28am

OK but

how do you explain the enduring popularity of Bob, Keef 'n' Ronnie, with their excruciating wincefest shortly after. At least Mick and the Dame had us smiling, which was part of my point, given the general awfulness of most of the second half of Live Aid.
(And, whilst we are at it, all that tosh about Queen stealing the London end............ Ghastly.)

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Retropath2 | 9 June 2009 - 7:52am

Cos they were rock

whereas B and J were pop - on the day. You can be forgiven for all kinds of poop if you're rock - look at the slagging Dylan has had in recent months - people still made his album number 1. Keef and Ron have been junkies and winos without alienating their audience so a duff set at live aid was hardly gonna finish them. Their solo stuff has never been all that commercially successful either so they had less distance to fall.
Bowie had been an enigma, a chameleon - on that day he became a rather poor 80s pop star, an older, less charismatic Simon leBon.

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badartdog | 9 June 2009 - 5:13pm

Respectively

Hergest Ridge, Argybargy and Strangeways are much, much, MUCH better than Tubular Bells, East Side Story and The Queen Is Dead.

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joyneski | 6 June 2009 - 3:57pm

'Ommadawn' is better than both of the...

albums you mentioned in my opinion.

Moonlight Shadow, however, is pants.

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Patrick Crowther | 7 June 2009 - 7:50pm

I wish I was somewhat more highbrow

"Land of Make Believe" is better than "Making Your Mind Up".
"Rockin' over the Beat" is better than "Pump Up the Jam".
"Uprock" is better than "Hey You! the Rocksteady Crew".
"IOU" is better than "Southern Freeez".

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Austin | 8 June 2009 - 10:31am

rockin over the beat!

how right you are. hugely under-rated.

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sandamiano | 14 June 2009 - 1:16pm

Good to hear someone agrees

I never tire of this song.

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Austin | 22 June 2009 - 12:16pm

JAPAN

Always preferred 'Gentlemen Take Polaroids' to 'TIn Drum', despite the latter being the biggie one in their career in terms of chart success etc...

Oh and I love Pink Floyds 'Final Cut', much better than feckin' 'Animals' and 'Meddle' anyday - and anything post-Waters; what with him being a very distant relative in our family how could i not be biased*

*true fact peeps allegedly!

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über-über | 9 June 2009 - 1:25pm
stimpy | 9 June 2009 - 4:40pm

how far back?

BLimey, how far back does Roger Waters go in the grand scheme of humankind?

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über-über | 3 July 2009 - 1:40pm

U2 - Pop

Maybe this is particularly suitable considering this months cover star.

I always quite liked Pop by U2. I never had much time for the rest of their stuff, all a bit 'dad rock' for me, but I really like Pop.

This might have been because my own dear pa was a huge U2 fan....right up until this point. This is where they lost him, but picked me up.

My U2 appreciation didn't last long though as they soon went back to easy street when the album was completely panned and quickly rejected by the band.

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Adam Wilkinson | 9 June 2009 - 4:54pm
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