Flummoxed By Pop

I was on the train this morning listening to my new iPod Touch (which is an amazing thing of beauty, btw), when Diana Ross And The Supremes He's My Sunny Boy came on. It's, literally, a work of brilliance that features the following lyric, "Sunny Boy, Looks good in everything from silk to corduroy, To see him I'd walk from Idaho to Illinois, (Or anywhere)..." which made me think two things.
1. "(Or anywhere)" might just be the best ever lyrical add-on in pop.
2. I have no idea if Illinois to Idaho is actually that far. I mean, it's probably further than from East Dulwich to, say, Nunhead, but I can't quite picture the sheer enormity of the journey and, therefore, the depth of Ms Ross' love for said Sunny Boy.

All of which made me wonder if anyone else has ever been flummoxed by pop?

Its a long way

Idaho to Illinois is a journey of 1666 miles, beating the Proclaimers by a devilish amount.

I was flummoxed the first time I heard Being Boiled by the Human League. Apart from the fact that it was like tuning into to an alien radio station (up to that point, my musical education had revolved around Deep Purple, Budgie and Status Quo), I had no idea what the song was about - what the hell was "sericulture"?
I only found out years later that it was silk farming, which was frankly something of a let down.

Andy Lynes | 7 January 2008 - 11:32am

Genius

"Its a long way Idaho to Illinois is a journey of 1666 miles, beating the Proclaimers by a devilish amount."

bloody brilliant.

Riccardo Gargiulo | 7 January 2008 - 11:30pm

And if I haver, well you know I'm gonna be etc etc

Beats Vanessa Carlton too by some way too, if anyone remembers her from quite a few years ago now. Anyone? No?

Ok then, here's a teaser:

Town A and Town B are exactly 1000 miles apart. Vanessa Carlton sets out at noon from Town A to walk 1000 miles to Town B just to see someone tonight. At the same time the Proclaimers set out from Town B to walk 500 miles and then to walk 500 more to Town A just to be the men who'd walk 1000 miles to fall down at someone's door.

Bearing in mind that Miss Carlton talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, preferring instead in her video to sit on the back of a truck with her piano and be driven the distance, whilst the Proclaimers do walk carrying their guitars as they go:

1. At what point will Vanessa and the Proclaimers meet?
2. Who told the Proclaimers they could sing?
3a. If we offered him enough money do you think the driver of Vanessa's truck would agree to 'accidentally' run the Proclaimers over?
3b. Assuming he's willing, how much money do you think would be enough to persuade the driver? I could maybe chip in a couple of hundred, how about the rest of you?
4. Vanessa sings 'if I could fall into the sky'. What does this mean? Surely that would defy gravity? Or is she actually singing 'if I could fall into this guy'? That's equally improbable too though as she's a woman so the best she could hope for is for the guy to fall into her?
5. Do you think that would stand up in court, so to speak?

Lawyer: 'Vanessa's boyfriend, you stand accused of inserting your member into Miss Carlton. How do you explain yourself?'
Boyfriend: 'I fell.'
Lawyer: 'You fell?'
Boyfriend: 'Yes.'
Lawyer: 'Would you please tell the court how you managed to fall?'
Boyfriend: 'Well around her gravity is all to hell.'
Judge: 'That seems a reasonable explanation. Case dismissed. Next!'
Clerk: 'Call Avril Lavigne's boyfriend.'
Avril Lavigne's boyfriend takes the stand.
Lawyer: 'You are the boyfriend of Miss Avril Lavigne, yes?'
Boyfriend #2: 'That is correct.'
Lawyer: 'OK, Could you please tell the court why you had to go and make things so complicated.'

andrew | 8 January 2008 - 6:34pm

I'll see your Vanessa Carlton...

...and raise you a Pretenders!

Trevor_Raggatt | 31 January 2008 - 11:14pm

How about The Turtles "Elenore" for an add-on?

"Elenore, gee, I think you're swell
And you really do me well
You're my pride and joy etcetera"

"Etcetera"?

David Hepworth | 7 January 2008 - 11:46am

Phoenix to Oklahoma

I've often wondered whether the timings on By The Time I Get To Phoenix stack up in real life.
How long does it take to get from Phoenix to Albuquerque? From getting up time to lunchtime as in the song? Daft thing to wonder about but I think it's well-established that pop music turns our brains into blancmange.

That triple rhyme in Sunny Boy is Smokey at his best: sunny boy, corduroy, Illinois (and the "anywhere" a smart back reference to the "anything" in the previous line).
There's a song, This Better Be Good, on the latest Fountains Of Wayne album that rhymes "trusted", "busted" and "mustard" (then "work" and "jerk" in the same line).

Richard Lowe | 7 January 2008 - 12:33pm

The Long and winding road

However far it is ,as far as chaffing goes Silk beats Corduroy every time. Can you imagine the annoying "vurt,vurt" noise of his cords rubbing together, it could take the shine off things. there's the line in cat stevens song about the lad "being young , that's your fault" which is great if harse.

Chris G | 7 January 2008 - 12:56pm

while we are wondering

around the US - is there anywhere on the planet that is still more than 24 hours from Tulsa? How slow would you have to travel?

Riccardo Gargiulo | 7 January 2008 - 1:17pm

Hollow laughter...

If you go via London Bridge station, I think 24 hours to Tulse Hill is optimistic estimate.... *puts old joke book away get back to work*

Chris G | 7 January 2008 - 1:24pm

someone

is going to bed without any supper...

Riccardo Gargiulo | 7 January 2008 - 2:19pm

David

the 'etcetera' was deliberate since The Turtles were intending the tune to be a piss-take of bubblegum pop with suitably 'throwaway' lyrics. Ironically it turned out to be one of their biggest hits. They even performed it at the White House because Nixon's daughter was a big fan of the band. The tune originally features on one of their 1968 album 'The Turtles Present The Battle Of The Bands' ( one of the great 'lost' albums of the period ) where the group adopt different personas and styles for all the tracks. One of the other featured tracks is 'Buzzsaw'- now used as a theme tune to Jonathan Ross's TV show. Ifangyew.

eddie g | 7 January 2008 - 1:43pm

The story I heard...

... was that the Turtles wanted to move towards more experimental music, but their manager advised to them to go back to writing what they had previously had success with - "You know, you're my pride and joy etcetera" quoth he. So they did. Literally.

Stephen Hanley | 7 January 2008 - 2:17pm

Ning

The Red Hot Chili Peppers' Around The World baffles me. Anthony Kiedis has always been a writer of utterly meaningless lyrics, but this couplet floored me when I first heard it:

I know, I know for sure
Ning nang nong nong ning nang nong nong ning nang

What is he trying to say?

Fraser Lewry | 7 January 2008 - 1:51pm

he is trying to say

"I am a laughable oik whose innate, crushing one-trickness would shame a pit pony that can (briefly) stand on its hind legs"

Rob Fitzpatrick | 7 January 2008 - 2:37pm

bleuurggh

I must admit I was amazed anyone had continued lstening beyond the intro to a RHCP tune, truly a load of wretched old tat.

Chris G | 7 January 2008 - 2:40pm

world‘s worst group

Are they officially the World's Worst Group or are Rage Against The Machine still going?

Richard Lowe | 7 January 2008 - 3:11pm

They don't do much for me...

...but aren't they one of the most popular groups in the whole wide world?

David Hepworth | 7 January 2008 - 3:25pm

So what if they're popular?

So what if they're popular?
The general public - in particular the sub-species that is the young American rock audience - largely consists of shambling morons with lousy taste.

Richard Lowe | 7 January 2008 - 6:01pm

I was only saying that...

...if any group is massively popular, you can usually work out what it is that people like about them. Apart from the brief moment of inspiration when they put their knobs in their socks, I am at a loss to work out what anybody sees in this lot's rock mulch.

David Hepworth | 7 January 2008 - 6:40pm

In fairness.....

Flea WAS very good in Back to the Future!

Nodge1970 | 8 January 2008 - 5:49pm

Agreed...

although I have to say the sock episode didn't do much for me either...

Patrick Crowther | 10 January 2008 - 7:43pm

Dude

And whichever one of them was in The Big Lebowski managed to play a decent pseudo-anarchist.

statto | 11 January 2008 - 6:43pm

Nice

sweeping generalisation there Richard.

Albeit funny.

Oeufman | 7 January 2008 - 10:52pm

Touching cloth

Surely the real point is that it's one of the few pop songs to mention corduroy.Although unspecific about whether it was elephant or needle cord, fact is there aren't many of them around.
Diana Ross is good at this kind of thing. She once had a Momma who "died cooking home made jam".
Not many confection-related deaths around in pop even today.

Paul | 7 January 2008 - 4:09pm

I used to like that band

Corduroy. They used to be Boys Wonder and were briefly signed to Acid Jazz...

Rob Fitzpatrick | 7 January 2008 - 4:43pm

not to be confused with the

not to be confused with the Chords! or for that matter Denim, steve "silk" Hurley or indeed the The Psychedelic Furs.

Chris G | 7 January 2008 - 5:10pm

or, for that matter

Felt

Rob Fitzpatrick | 7 January 2008 - 5:45pm

I'll stop soon

or in deed cotton Eye Joe, the Velvet underground, suede, Nylon(?) and of course the much lamented Neoprene Monkeys

Chris G | 7 January 2008 - 6:16pm

Some thread

No, don't stop. This must be the only online haberdashery of rock available. That's a pretty comprehensive list, to which I can only add Cheryl Tweedy, Silk Degrees & Satin Doll. Kashmir doesn't count no matter what school you went to.
Return of the 1960's schoolboy gag...
What do you call a corduroy condom?
A Groovy Kind Of Love.
(Sorry, but seeing as you're all over 47, you might remember it).

Paul | 7 January 2008 - 6:51pm

Getting woolly...

The textiles field offers up a plethora of great unused (to my knowledge) band names. What better name for a glam rock band than Spandex? What about Muslin Extremist? Taffeta? Flannel? Cheesecloth? Nylon? Mohair?

Fraser Lewry | 7 January 2008 - 7:07pm

It's curtains for me

Muslin Extremist.
Priceless.

Paul | 7 January 2008 - 7:11pm

Curtains

Pull yourself together.

David Hepworth | 8 January 2008 - 10:59am

Not

unless you count The Jam's 'Going Underground' of course.

eddie g | 7 January 2008 - 4:29pm

"Sometimes the snow comes down in June...

...Sometimes the sun goes 'round the moon" This was Save The Best For Last by Vannesa Williams. I've no idea how the rest of the songs goes as, many years later, I'm still trying to figure out the scientific implications of it all.

stuart robin | 7 January 2008 - 6:35pm

Life On Mars?

It's on America's tortured brow
That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow
Now the workers have struck for fame
Cause Lennon's on sale again
See the mice in their million hordes
From Ibiza to the Norfolk Broads
Rule Brittania is out of bounds
To my mother, my dog and clowns

This lyric has baffled me since I first heard it. What's David Bowie on about?

Carl | 7 January 2008 - 8:30pm

It's Obvious

It's so obvious, it's transparent. I certainly ain't gonna explain it for you if you can't see it.
It's a massive anagram innit?

Mr Drayton | 7 January 2008 - 10:22pm

Thanks

Of course, I get it now, how stupid of me.

Carl | 8 January 2008 - 11:19am

I now know what spelunking is

...thanks to Joanna Newsom. You learn something new every day : )

rokketeer | 7 January 2008 - 8:51pm

pedants corner

Laura veirs surely: the queen of geology based Rock .... music.

Chris G | 7 January 2008 - 9:19pm

Well, she did study geology

but her last album is more oceanography (and she is very good live as I can testify after seeing her solo acoustic show at the Sage Gateshead).

I cannot remember off-hand her singing about caving/spelunking - but I could be wrong. It happens more often than I'd like to admit...

rokketeer | 8 January 2008 - 7:00pm

Freddie's deadly thickening agent

'She's a Killer Queen/Gunpowder, Gelatine/Dynamite with a laser beam/Guaranteed to blow your mind/Anytime'

So, let's get this straight. If she doesn't get you with the dynamite/laser beam combination she can emulsify you to death.

johnsey | 7 January 2008 - 11:16pm

La Ross...

doesn't 'do' walking does she? I imagine she'd be carried aloft in a sedan chair by a troupe of backing dancers...

Patrick Crowther | 8 January 2008 - 11:21am

Wasn't this thread about throwaway lines in lyrics......

.....adding to the sum greater than the words alone?
Steve Forbert,"Jan 23-30,1978" (Jackrabbit Slim):
"It's often said that life is strange: o, yes, compared to what?"
How much do I love that?!

Retropath2 | 8 January 2008 - 11:23am

Nothing I can think of offhand, but I do honestly think

"I see friends shaking hands, saying How Do You Do, what they're really saying is I Love You."

To be one of the most touching ever written - but importantly only when it is sung by Nick Cave and Shane McGowan.

Well, that line and the entire lyric of 'Atmosphere' by the previously mentioned Russ Abbott, obviously (but importantly not sung by Nick Cave and Shane McGowan... though I'd love to hear them try).

iamnotthebeatles | 8 January 2008 - 4:43pm

24 Minutes from Tulse Hill must.......

totally baffle anyone not totally in thrall to south east London's rail network!

And how the hell do you work out directions for Charlene, who has "Never Been To Me..."

Nodge1970 | 8 January 2008 - 5:51pm

directions to me

it's somewhere between china and Carolina if memory serves and isn't there something about driving through paris in sports car or am I hopelessly lost...

Chris G | 8 January 2008 - 6:03pm

"Undressed by kings"

"Undressed by kings" too, if I recall. The saucy minx.

Richard Lowe | 8 January 2008 - 6:30pm

Bowie baffler

In the lyrics to 'Prettiest Star' Bowie sings..

"Cold fire, you've got everything but cold fire"

What the blazes is 'cold fire'?

Dave C | 9 January 2008 - 9:30pm

What he means

is that 'the prettiest star' has, in fact, 'everything' ( since 'cold fire'- in this context- is a poetic conceit illustrating something that does not, and cannot, physically exist ).

eddie g | 10 January 2008 - 5:11pm

Gentlemen please...

Bowie is undoubtedly one of the worst lyricists in pop history. Let's not get into debates about cut up technique etc. He writes a huge amount drivel.

CarlP | 12 January 2008 - 1:35pm

Red Telephone - Love

just posting in another strand (album clunkers) and I thought of this one:

And if you think I'm happy
Paint me white(yellow)

and more such stuff. what IS Arthur on about? could this album have something to do with drugs?

Jim Thomas | 11 January 2008 - 2:07pm

Drugs? Arthur Lee? Get a grip on yourself, sir!

Mr Thomas, how could you cast such a slur on the good name of Mr Arthur Lee? A fine, upstanding individual who would be shocked by your question... heh heh.

Patrick Crowther | 11 January 2008 - 7:42pm

Lambchop too

come to that a lot of Kurt Wagner's lyrics are pretty "open to interpretation":

The smokey joe is broken
Drops into your lap
And the big red wasp
Makes a scan through
My black pages

What?? good song though

Jim Thomas | 11 January 2008 - 2:15pm

CarlP

It's an interesting theory, and I agree that he's produced moments of high ridiculousness, but surely the worst lyricists in pop history just HAVE to be the Manic Street Preachers??

eddie g | 13 January 2008 - 8:29pm

No no no no no

Maybe the Manics now but certainly not back in the good old days of 'NatWest Barclays Midland Lloyds/ Black horse apocalypse/ death sanitised by credit' or 'Under neon loneliness/ motorcycle emptiness,' or 'We blur into images of state coercion/ classified machines die misunderstood/ there's too much concrete for us to breathe/ we are cut down because we care.'

If you don't think that this is truly rock - in the British Sea Power sense, perhaps - then you are not alive.

Con_Coleman | 13 January 2008 - 8:55pm

Well said that man...

They're like the incoherent ramblings of some spotty sixth former with a copy of Das Kapital in one hand and the other rummaging under the duvet cover...

Patrick Crowther | 13 January 2008 - 9:17pm

I don't really know

Apart from a couple of singles, I don't know the Manic's stuff. I thought a title like "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next" qualified as some of the most unwieldy lyrics ever. But there was nothing I heard that ranked alongside "Time he flexes like a whore, falls wanking to the floor" which is possibly the worst couplet in the history of pop music. Still, entitling an album The Holy Bible does suggest a level of pretentiousness that Bowie could only aspire to.

CarlP | 13 January 2008 - 10:59pm

Con mate

they're crap.

eddie g | 13 January 2008 - 9:34pm

I think

my main problem with the Manics is that the words feel as if they've been 'nailed' onto the song like a bad piece of DIY. Plus, all too often it sounds like mediocre fifth-form 'save the seal' type sloganeering. I'd be interested to know which High Street bank they put they're royalties into...'Lloyds, Nat West or Midland?' The other thing about them which often makes me smile is the fact that they look so funny. A middle-aged big-boned lad in a skirt and eye-liner...a singer who resembles a porcine Albert Steptoe...and a fully-fledged Krankie on drums. Chuck in a few impressions and they could be the Barron Knights of a new generation ( terrorists ).

eddie g | 14 January 2008 - 11:42am

Now THAT was funny...

Someone give this man a writing job! Excellent description of their hapless efforts.

Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2008 - 11:55am

THE Manics ARE bad lyricists

Neil Tennant was interviewed for a Radio 2 (?) documentary on songwriting a few years ago. If I recall correctly, he said that A Design for Life by the Manics was one of the most badly written songs he'd ever heard because "A" and "For", the two least important words of the title are the ones stressed the most in the song: "AH! design FOR-OR! life". I used to love that song before I heard the documentary; now all I hear is poor technique.

Andy Lynes | 17 January 2008 - 9:51am

It is one of their better efforts...

But the lyrics? Give me a break...

Patrick Crowther | 17 January 2008 - 9:53am

sorry

I meant 'their' of course.

eddie g | 14 January 2008 - 11:42am

Actually he's an Urban Sanitation Coordinator

In The Lonnie Donegan hit My Old Man's A Dustman the aforementioned old man wears what are referred to as "Cor Blimey Trousers."

I have absolutely know idea what Cor Blimey Trousers are, or if such a garment even exists.

If I walked into a tailors on Saville Row and asked them to measure me for a pair, would they know what I was talking about and compliment on my choice?

backwards7 | 16 January 2008 - 1:32am

Cor Blimey Trousers are

Cor Blimey Trousers are usually worn with a Lawks A Mussy Shirt and Lord Luv a Duck Shoes, and no mistakin'.

Andy Lynes | 17 January 2008 - 10:03am

Contradictory pop lyrics

Always loved these, two examples -

New England - Billy Bragg "I was 21 years when I wrote this song, I'm 22 now but wont be for long" and

Hey Mister Thats Me Up On The Jukebox - James Taylor "Hey Mister thats me up on the jukebox, I'm the one singing this damn song"

Both logically impossible.

doctor.nacko | 19 January 2008 - 11:49am

New England

Billy Bragg borrowed the lyric from Paul Simon. It's the opening line of Leaves That Are Green.

CarlP | 22 January 2008 - 11:03pm

A pedant writes.....

Sad song. Not damn.

Retropath2 | 23 January 2008 - 3:04pm

Thin Lizzy

"Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak, somewhere in this town."
My guess is the jail.

Carl | 19 January 2008 - 5:53pm

I think...

you may well be right.

Patrick Crowther | 22 January 2008 - 11:31pm

Don't get me started...

...you need to read the album cover to get the concept album story and then it kinda makes sense. Wanders off and tries to get a life...

Standing on its own tho' - yup! D'uh!

Trevor_Raggatt | 31 January 2008 - 11:19pm

A-ha - Train Of Thought

This has baffled me since 1985. There must be some deep Scandinavian meaning behind this attempt to portray the despair of the working man:

"He likes a bit of reading on the subway home
A distant radio whistling tunes that nobody knows
At home a house awaits him, he unlocks the door
Thinking once there was a sea here but there never was a door"

ottobottle | 25 January 2008 - 12:37pm

Oho....

I was always personally bemused by the syntax of "Take on me".....

Retropath2 | 25 January 2008 - 1:30pm