Flummoxed By Pop
I was on the train this morning listening to my new iPod Touch (which is an amazing thing of beauty, btw), when Diana Ross And The Supremes He's My Sunny Boy came on. It's, literally, a work of brilliance that features the following lyric, "Sunny Boy, Looks good in everything from silk to corduroy, To see him I'd walk from Idaho to Illinois, (Or anywhere)..." which made me think two things.
1. "(Or anywhere)" might just be the best ever lyrical add-on in pop.
2. I have no idea if Illinois to Idaho is actually that far. I mean, it's probably further than from East Dulwich to, say, Nunhead, but I can't quite picture the sheer enormity of the journey and, therefore, the depth of Ms Ross' love for said Sunny Boy.
All of which made me wonder if anyone else has ever been flummoxed by pop?
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Its a long way
Idaho to Illinois is a journey of 1666 miles, beating the Proclaimers by a devilish amount.
I was flummoxed the first time I heard Being Boiled by the Human League. Apart from the fact that it was like tuning into to an alien radio station (up to that point, my musical education had revolved around Deep Purple, Budgie and Status Quo), I had no idea what the song was about - what the hell was "sericulture"?
I only found out years later that it was silk farming, which was frankly something of a let down.
Genius
"Its a long way Idaho to Illinois is a journey of 1666 miles, beating the Proclaimers by a devilish amount."
bloody brilliant.
And if I haver, well you know I'm gonna be etc etc
Beats Vanessa Carlton too by some way too, if anyone remembers her from quite a few years ago now. Anyone? No?
Ok then, here's a teaser:
Town A and Town B are exactly 1000 miles apart. Vanessa Carlton sets out at noon from Town A to walk 1000 miles to Town B just to see someone tonight. At the same time the Proclaimers set out from Town B to walk 500 miles and then to walk 500 more to Town A just to be the men who'd walk 1000 miles to fall down at someone's door.
Bearing in mind that Miss Carlton talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, preferring instead in her video to sit on the back of a truck with her piano and be driven the distance, whilst the Proclaimers do walk carrying their guitars as they go:
1. At what point will Vanessa and the Proclaimers meet?
2. Who told the Proclaimers they could sing?
3a. If we offered him enough money do you think the driver of Vanessa's truck would agree to 'accidentally' run the Proclaimers over?
3b. Assuming he's willing, how much money do you think would be enough to persuade the driver? I could maybe chip in a couple of hundred, how about the rest of you?
4. Vanessa sings 'if I could fall into the sky'. What does this mean? Surely that would defy gravity? Or is she actually singing 'if I could fall into this guy'? That's equally improbable too though as she's a woman so the best she could hope for is for the guy to fall into her?
5. Do you think that would stand up in court, so to speak?
Lawyer: 'Vanessa's boyfriend, you stand accused of inserting your member into Miss Carlton. How do you explain yourself?'
Boyfriend: 'I fell.'
Lawyer: 'You fell?'
Boyfriend: 'Yes.'
Lawyer: 'Would you please tell the court how you managed to fall?'
Boyfriend: 'Well around her gravity is all to hell.'
Judge: 'That seems a reasonable explanation. Case dismissed. Next!'
Clerk: 'Call Avril Lavigne's boyfriend.'
Avril Lavigne's boyfriend takes the stand.
Lawyer: 'You are the boyfriend of Miss Avril Lavigne, yes?'
Boyfriend #2: 'That is correct.'
Lawyer: 'OK, Could you please tell the court why you had to go and make things so complicated.'
I'll see your Vanessa Carlton...
...and raise you a Pretenders!
How about The Turtles "Elenore" for an add-on?
"Elenore, gee, I think you're swell
And you really do me well
You're my pride and joy etcetera"
"Etcetera"?
Phoenix to Oklahoma
I've often wondered whether the timings on By The Time I Get To Phoenix stack up in real life.
How long does it take to get from Phoenix to Albuquerque? From getting up time to lunchtime as in the song? Daft thing to wonder about but I think it's well-established that pop music turns our brains into blancmange.
That triple rhyme in Sunny Boy is Smokey at his best: sunny boy, corduroy, Illinois (and the "anywhere" a smart back reference to the "anything" in the previous line).
There's a song, This Better Be Good, on the latest Fountains Of Wayne album that rhymes "trusted", "busted" and "mustard" (then "work" and "jerk" in the same line).
The Long and winding road
However far it is ,as far as chaffing goes Silk beats Corduroy every time. Can you imagine the annoying "vurt,vurt" noise of his cords rubbing together, it could take the shine off things. there's the line in cat stevens song about the lad "being young , that's your fault" which is great if harse.
while we are wondering
around the US - is there anywhere on the planet that is still more than 24 hours from Tulsa? How slow would you have to travel?
Hollow laughter...
If you go via London Bridge station, I think 24 hours to Tulse Hill is optimistic estimate.... *puts old joke book away get back to work*
someone
is going to bed without any supper...
David
the 'etcetera' was deliberate since The Turtles were intending the tune to be a piss-take of bubblegum pop with suitably 'throwaway' lyrics. Ironically it turned out to be one of their biggest hits. They even performed it at the White House because Nixon's daughter was a big fan of the band. The tune originally features on one of their 1968 album 'The Turtles Present The Battle Of The Bands' ( one of the great 'lost' albums of the period ) where the group adopt different personas and styles for all the tracks. One of the other featured tracks is 'Buzzsaw'- now used as a theme tune to Jonathan Ross's TV show. Ifangyew.
The story I heard...
... was that the Turtles wanted to move towards more experimental music, but their manager advised to them to go back to writing what they had previously had success with - "You know, you're my pride and joy etcetera" quoth he. So they did. Literally.
Ning
The Red Hot Chili Peppers' Around The World baffles me. Anthony Kiedis has always been a writer of utterly meaningless lyrics, but this couplet floored me when I first heard it:
I know, I know for sure
Ning nang nong nong ning nang nong nong ning nang
What is he trying to say?
he is trying to say
"I am a laughable oik whose innate, crushing one-trickness would shame a pit pony that can (briefly) stand on its hind legs"
bleuurggh
I must admit I was amazed anyone had continued lstening beyond the intro to a RHCP tune, truly a load of wretched old tat.
world‘s worst group
Are they officially the World's Worst Group or are Rage Against The Machine still going?
They don't do much for me...
...but aren't they one of the most popular groups in the whole wide world?
So what if they're popular?
So what if they're popular?
The general public - in particular the sub-species that is the young American rock audience - largely consists of shambling morons with lousy taste.
I was only saying that...
...if any group is massively popular, you can usually work out what it is that people like about them. Apart from the brief moment of inspiration when they put their knobs in their socks, I am at a loss to work out what anybody sees in this lot's rock mulch.
In fairness.....
Flea WAS very good in Back to the Future!
Agreed...
although I have to say the sock episode didn't do much for me either...
Dude
And whichever one of them was in The Big Lebowski managed to play a decent pseudo-anarchist.
Nice
sweeping generalisation there Richard.
Albeit funny.
Touching cloth
Surely the real point is that it's one of the few pop songs to mention corduroy.Although unspecific about whether it was elephant or needle cord, fact is there aren't many of them around.
Diana Ross is good at this kind of thing. She once had a Momma who "died cooking home made jam".
Not many confection-related deaths around in pop even today.
I used to like that band
Corduroy. They used to be Boys Wonder and were briefly signed to Acid Jazz...
not to be confused with the
not to be confused with the Chords! or for that matter Denim, steve "silk" Hurley or indeed the The Psychedelic Furs.
or, for that matter
Felt
I'll stop soon
or in deed cotton Eye Joe, the Velvet underground, suede, Nylon(?) and of course the much lamented Neoprene Monkeys
Some thread
No, don't stop. This must be the only online haberdashery of rock available. That's a pretty comprehensive list, to which I can only add Cheryl Tweedy, Silk Degrees & Satin Doll. Kashmir doesn't count no matter what school you went to.
Return of the 1960's schoolboy gag...
What do you call a corduroy condom?
A Groovy Kind Of Love.
(Sorry, but seeing as you're all over 47, you might remember it).
Getting woolly...
The textiles field offers up a plethora of great unused (to my knowledge) band names. What better name for a glam rock band than Spandex? What about Muslin Extremist? Taffeta? Flannel? Cheesecloth? Nylon? Mohair?
It's curtains for me
Muslin Extremist.
Priceless.
Curtains
Pull yourself together.
Not
unless you count The Jam's 'Going Underground' of course.
"Sometimes the snow comes down in June...
...Sometimes the sun goes 'round the moon" This was Save The Best For Last by Vannesa Williams. I've no idea how the rest of the songs goes as, many years later, I'm still trying to figure out the scientific implications of it all.
Life On Mars?
It's on America's tortured brow
That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow
Now the workers have struck for fame
Cause Lennon's on sale again
See the mice in their million hordes
From Ibiza to the Norfolk Broads
Rule Brittania is out of bounds
To my mother, my dog and clowns
This lyric has baffled me since I first heard it. What's David Bowie on about?
It's Obvious
It's so obvious, it's transparent. I certainly ain't gonna explain it for you if you can't see it.
It's a massive anagram innit?
Thanks
Of course, I get it now, how stupid of me.
I now know what spelunking is
...thanks to Joanna Newsom. You learn something new every day : )
pedants corner
Laura veirs surely: the queen of geology based Rock .... music.
Well, she did study geology
but her last album is more oceanography (and she is very good live as I can testify after seeing her solo acoustic show at the Sage Gateshead).
I cannot remember off-hand her singing about caving/spelunking - but I could be wrong. It happens more often than I'd like to admit...
Freddie's deadly thickening agent
'She's a Killer Queen/Gunpowder, Gelatine/Dynamite with a laser beam/Guaranteed to blow your mind/Anytime'
So, let's get this straight. If she doesn't get you with the dynamite/laser beam combination she can emulsify you to death.
La Ross...
doesn't 'do' walking does she? I imagine she'd be carried aloft in a sedan chair by a troupe of backing dancers...
Wasn't this thread about throwaway lines in lyrics......
.....adding to the sum greater than the words alone?
Steve Forbert,"Jan 23-30,1978" (Jackrabbit Slim):
"It's often said that life is strange: o, yes, compared to what?"
How much do I love that?!
Nothing I can think of offhand, but I do honestly think
"I see friends shaking hands, saying How Do You Do, what they're really saying is I Love You."
To be one of the most touching ever written - but importantly only when it is sung by Nick Cave and Shane McGowan.
Well, that line and the entire lyric of 'Atmosphere' by the previously mentioned Russ Abbott, obviously (but importantly not sung by Nick Cave and Shane McGowan... though I'd love to hear them try).
24 Minutes from Tulse Hill must.......
totally baffle anyone not totally in thrall to south east London's rail network!
And how the hell do you work out directions for Charlene, who has "Never Been To Me..."
directions to me
it's somewhere between china and Carolina if memory serves and isn't there something about driving through paris in sports car or am I hopelessly lost...
"Undressed by kings"
"Undressed by kings" too, if I recall. The saucy minx.
Bowie baffler
In the lyrics to 'Prettiest Star' Bowie sings..
"Cold fire, you've got everything but cold fire"
What the blazes is 'cold fire'?
What he means
is that 'the prettiest star' has, in fact, 'everything' ( since 'cold fire'- in this context- is a poetic conceit illustrating something that does not, and cannot, physically exist ).
Gentlemen please...
Bowie is undoubtedly one of the worst lyricists in pop history. Let's not get into debates about cut up technique etc. He writes a huge amount drivel.
Red Telephone - Love
just posting in another strand (album clunkers) and I thought of this one:
And if you think I'm happy
Paint me white(yellow)
and more such stuff. what IS Arthur on about? could this album have something to do with drugs?
Drugs? Arthur Lee? Get a grip on yourself, sir!
Mr Thomas, how could you cast such a slur on the good name of Mr Arthur Lee? A fine, upstanding individual who would be shocked by your question... heh heh.
Lambchop too
come to that a lot of Kurt Wagner's lyrics are pretty "open to interpretation":
The smokey joe is broken
Drops into your lap
And the big red wasp
Makes a scan through
My black pages
What?? good song though
CarlP
It's an interesting theory, and I agree that he's produced moments of high ridiculousness, but surely the worst lyricists in pop history just HAVE to be the Manic Street Preachers??
No no no no no
Maybe the Manics now but certainly not back in the good old days of 'NatWest Barclays Midland Lloyds/ Black horse apocalypse/ death sanitised by credit' or 'Under neon loneliness/ motorcycle emptiness,' or 'We blur into images of state coercion/ classified machines die misunderstood/ there's too much concrete for us to breathe/ we are cut down because we care.'
If you don't think that this is truly rock - in the British Sea Power sense, perhaps - then you are not alive.
Well said that man...
They're like the incoherent ramblings of some spotty sixth former with a copy of Das Kapital in one hand and the other rummaging under the duvet cover...
I don't really know
Apart from a couple of singles, I don't know the Manic's stuff. I thought a title like "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next" qualified as some of the most unwieldy lyrics ever. But there was nothing I heard that ranked alongside "Time he flexes like a whore, falls wanking to the floor" which is possibly the worst couplet in the history of pop music. Still, entitling an album The Holy Bible does suggest a level of pretentiousness that Bowie could only aspire to.
Con mate
they're crap.
I think
my main problem with the Manics is that the words feel as if they've been 'nailed' onto the song like a bad piece of DIY. Plus, all too often it sounds like mediocre fifth-form 'save the seal' type sloganeering. I'd be interested to know which High Street bank they put they're royalties into...'Lloyds, Nat West or Midland?' The other thing about them which often makes me smile is the fact that they look so funny. A middle-aged big-boned lad in a skirt and eye-liner...a singer who resembles a porcine Albert Steptoe...and a fully-fledged Krankie on drums. Chuck in a few impressions and they could be the Barron Knights of a new generation ( terrorists ).
Now THAT was funny...
Someone give this man a writing job! Excellent description of their hapless efforts.
THE Manics ARE bad lyricists
Neil Tennant was interviewed for a Radio 2 (?) documentary on songwriting a few years ago. If I recall correctly, he said that A Design for Life by the Manics was one of the most badly written songs he'd ever heard because "A" and "For", the two least important words of the title are the ones stressed the most in the song: "AH! design FOR-OR! life". I used to love that song before I heard the documentary; now all I hear is poor technique.
It is one of their better efforts...
But the lyrics? Give me a break...
sorry
I meant 'their' of course.
Actually he's an Urban Sanitation Coordinator
In The Lonnie Donegan hit My Old Man's A Dustman the aforementioned old man wears what are referred to as "Cor Blimey Trousers."
I have absolutely know idea what Cor Blimey Trousers are, or if such a garment even exists.
If I walked into a tailors on Saville Row and asked them to measure me for a pair, would they know what I was talking about and compliment on my choice?
Cor Blimey Trousers are
Cor Blimey Trousers are usually worn with a Lawks A Mussy Shirt and Lord Luv a Duck Shoes, and no mistakin'.
Contradictory pop lyrics
Always loved these, two examples -
New England - Billy Bragg "I was 21 years when I wrote this song, I'm 22 now but wont be for long" and
Hey Mister Thats Me Up On The Jukebox - James Taylor "Hey Mister thats me up on the jukebox, I'm the one singing this damn song"
Both logically impossible.
New England
Billy Bragg borrowed the lyric from Paul Simon. It's the opening line of Leaves That Are Green.
A pedant writes.....
Sad song. Not damn.
Thin Lizzy
"Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak, somewhere in this town."
My guess is the jail.
I think...
you may well be right.
Don't get me started...
...you need to read the album cover to get the concept album story and then it kinda makes sense. Wanders off and tries to get a life...
Standing on its own tho' - yup! D'uh!
A-ha - Train Of Thought
This has baffled me since 1985. There must be some deep Scandinavian meaning behind this attempt to portray the despair of the working man:
"He likes a bit of reading on the subway home
A distant radio whistling tunes that nobody knows
At home a house awaits him, he unlocks the door
Thinking once there was a sea here but there never was a door"
Oho....
I was always personally bemused by the syntax of "Take on me".....