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Filing Conundrums

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I have a Sister Rosetta Tharpe CD, and I don't know where to file it. My shelves are arranged in alphabetical fashion, and then chronological (i.e. Please Please Me lines up to the left of With The Beatles). I don't divide things up by genre, and individual artists are filed according to their surnames. Compilations go after 'Z'. Simple.

103551391_c0ed7efb30.jpgOr is it? Do I file Sister Rosetta under 'S' or under 'T'? Which takes precedence, the title or the surname? If it's Dr John or DJ Yoda, it's the title. But this feels different, and I'm inclined to file her by surname.

What about Taj Mahal? It's not his real name, but I'm inclined to file him under T even though people refer to him as 'Mahal', as if it's a genuine surname. Am I allowed to file Iggy & The Stooges next to the Stooges simply because it makes sense to? What about Los Lobos? If they were an English band, they'd be called 'The Wolves' and be filed under 'W'. But they're not, and I file them to the right of Los Bunkers (who ought perhaps to be in the 'B' section) when they should probably be to the left of Julie London. Does the 'the' count if it's foreign?

I believe this is slowly sending me mad, but I'm willing to torment myself further. Which filing conundrums drive you potty?

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I find tribute albums can be tricky

For example I've got plenty of the "Pickin on" series of cds. They're the banjo versions of Creedence or The Who or Led Zep. I always file those with the artist being paid tribute. I also have String Quartet and Piano versions of hard rock bands such as Metallica. They too go with the band being covered.

However it gets a bit trickier when you have things like the all Beatle record "Meet The Smithereens." Where does that go? I have other Smithereens cds so I slot it there, but that throws out the logic of all my other tribute cds! Oh no!

By the way I file Los Lobos under L for Los. Your reasoning on why I shouldn't makes sense but what people in other countries do is really none of my business. I don't tell them what to do.

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Cookieboy | 21 October 2008 - 4:01am

Well...

I'd go for T, Fraser. And then I'll get my brother to come round to your house. He likes to point out that I have Little Richard under L, Howlin' Wolf under H, but Muddy Waters under W.

I have a couple of Ennio Morricone soundtracks. I can never decide whether they should go under M - he certainly deserves it - or by the title of the film. Problem is, then I'm going for alphabetical, which means Once Upon A Time In America goes before Once Upon A Time In The West. Which is just plain wrong.

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Lucas Hare | 21 October 2008 - 7:15am

Easy.

Surname if offered (Tharpe), Title (Dr) if not. If Mr and Mrs Waters chose to name their pride and joy Muddy, W it is, next to bro' Roger. Taj not Mr Mahals true name? Madonna and Meatloaf under M. Mac Rebennack is a tricky one, but I don't have Storm Warning so it doesn't matter. I like the statement that "Mac Rebennack was born in 1941 and Dr John in 1968", if that helps.

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Retropath2 | 21 October 2008 - 8:00am

Mr and Mrs Waters

chose to name their pride and joy McKinley Morganfield, which just complicates matters further!

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Lucas Hare | 21 October 2008 - 8:21am

O Reeeally.......

See under Mahal, Taj.

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Retropath2 | 21 October 2008 - 9:15am

Soooo...

...surely Muddy Waters can go under M which means he is correct for his 'act' name (Muddy Waters) and his real surname (Morganfield)?

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AgentGraves | 30 October 2008 - 11:02am

Is that MO ahead of MU then?

Or vice versa

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Retropath2 | 30 October 2008 - 11:31am

Hmmm...

...fair point...

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AgentGraves | 30 October 2008 - 1:19pm

Meatloaf

is actually 'Meat Loaf', if that makes any difference. I'd file him under M though.

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Fraser M | 21 October 2008 - 1:17pm

Real name

Marvin so it's ok for M.

Well that's the way Music Zone used to file their CDs, under christian names instead of surnames. Should The Beatles be T or B?

My brain hurts...

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Beany | 21 October 2008 - 1:23pm

Drop the definite article

Except for The The.

It's really important you retain one of them.

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Fraser M | 21 October 2008 - 1:36pm

they didn't

when i worked for them anyway...

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newpathstohelicon | 21 October 2008 - 4:49pm

You should publish your three page memoir on this website.

I have a fascination with people who work in music shops. I always assume they must have a hundred stories to tell.

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LOUDspeaker | 22 October 2008 - 10:00am

When you're a kid

Being a train driver is the occupation you want to have when you grow up. Then after a few trips to a disc emporium with your paper-round money you want to stay inside those hallowed grounds forever.

However, you would make the same mistake made in most record stores since the invention of the gramophone; you would play the records you want to listen to instead of those you want to sell.
How many times have you seen punters making a swift exit when faced with expletive-filled grunge from an otherwise inviting shop.

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Beany | 22 October 2008 - 10:24am

The quietest week on record. . .

on the rock floor at HMV Oxford Street was in 1977, when we had Suicide's first album on permanent rotation.

We used to take it in turns too, so during the time it took most people to browse through the racks, they'd get to hear some obscure bluegrass on Rounder (hi, Chris!) followed by Suicide, followed by Plastic Bertrand (hi, Richard!), followed by Suicide, followed by Gregory Isaacs (hi, me!).

Aren't friends eclectic?

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Archie Valparaiso | 22 October 2008 - 10:35am

Metal maniac

At least part of the reason for the closure of Terrapin in Crouch End some years ago was the metalhead they employed. He insisted on playing metal at high volume, which generally wasn't the music that people round here wanted. What had been 30 minute or more browsing sessions quickly reduced to around 30 seconds before we prospective purchasers made a rapid exit.

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Carl Parker | 22 October 2008 - 12:02pm

Soundtracks

Oh yes. Soundtracks are a bugger. Do they get filed under film name or by composer? Does Bladerunner go under 'B' or under 'V' for Vangelis? If you're filing by composer, what about soundtracks made up of contributions from various artists? Does Magnolia get filed as an Aimee Mann album even though there's a couple of Supertramp tracks on it?

My head literally hurts.

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Fraser Lewry | 21 October 2008 - 12:25pm

No. Soundtracks got in the Soundtrack Section

Alphabetically of course.

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Springer Bell | 21 October 2008 - 12:42pm

But...

Say you're a Dylan fan. Doesn't that mean you have to separate Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid from the rest of the Dylan albums?

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Fraser Lewry | 21 October 2008 - 12:48pm

And doesn't it just make total sense. . .

To have Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown together, just like Goodfellas and Casino? So we classify soundtracks by the director. No, hang on. What about The Last Temptation of Christ, then, eh? Shouldn't that go in the Peter Gabriel section? Which in turn is, of course, embedded in the Genesis section?

Well, er, yes.

That's it then! Scorsese-film soundtracks go next to Phil Collins. Sorted.

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Archie Valparaiso | 21 October 2008 - 12:59pm

Sorry I thought you knew that one

That's covered under the supplemental rules.

Where the album is recognised as a complete set of songs and doesn't include instrumentals its to go to the artists own section.

If as in Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid or the Bacharach and David soundtrack to "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" it includes instrumentals it's to go to the soundtrack section.

There is an addendum to the supplemental rules which states that if the artist is one of your all time favourites the soundtrack can be added to the artist section, so this may include "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid" or "Yellow Submarine", because you know its there already.

However the addendum does have a further post that notes if you have guests to dinner these records must be moved back to the soundtrack section so as to impress the guests with the breath of your cinematic musical knowledge and at the same time making things "right".

When the guests leave normal service can be resumed.

One easy way around this is to buy two copies of each of this kind of release or better yet get your friends to buy you one for your birthday.

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Springer Bell | 21 October 2008 - 1:18pm

OK

Thanks for the clarification. It's much appreciated.

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Fraser Lewry | 21 October 2008 - 1:23pm

No Problem

I have spent many years studying this subject so at this stage it comes quite naturally. Now I must go and sort out my stamp collection and get filing my train-spotting magazines. There is so much clutter.

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Springer Bell | 21 October 2008 - 1:29pm

and around by dollis hill brings me to

Mornington Crescent...

what rules you playing here, Springer?

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ivan | 21 October 2008 - 2:11pm

I'll refer you to

The Official Oxford Compendium of Record Filing by Mathematics 5th Edition. The Bible for this kind of job as far as I'm concerned.

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Springer Bell | 21 October 2008 - 2:17pm

reminds me of that old joke

"I bought a book about Feng Shui, but I don't know just where to put it"

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ivan | 21 October 2008 - 2:59pm

In such a situation

I would recommend a dummy CD case (or sleeve if vinyl) with the title/artist on, which cross references other section (as in 'see Soundtracks' say). One could make a colour photocopy of the cover so as not make the result aesthetically acceptable. The original copy goes in soundtracks and dummy under Dylan or vice versa, for example.

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Sven Garlic | 21 October 2008 - 2:37pm

Pat Garrett

Has to go with the other 50 or so Dylan albums. It's the law.

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Lucas Hare | 21 October 2008 - 3:00pm

Soundtracks should go under V

for Various Artists unless only the one artist is on it like Tom Waites and "One From the Heart".

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LOUDspeaker | 21 October 2008 - 12:55pm

Crystal Gayle

Might have something to say about that, LOUD my old friend.

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Paul Waring | 21 October 2008 - 9:18pm

You mean people STILL have shelves of CDs?

Hasn't everyone ripped them all into iTunes by now?

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stimpy | 21 October 2008 - 7:45am

Wash your mouth out

Some of us do not have MP3 players...yet. We also like to get out our LPs & CDs to stroke them occasionally.

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Beany | 21 October 2008 - 1:25pm

I still have shelves and shelves of CD's but

said shelves do not involve the lunacy described above.

Maybe my time will come....

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Blue Sky | 21 October 2008 - 7:53am

I would love to be with you, Scott

I feel that alphabeticising is incredibly naff and anal, but there becomes a volume where it is essential, otherwise you can never find a darn thing. My 300 vinyl were always proudly random, but I reckoned I knew the sleeve endings well enough, thru' colour and thickness. CDs are so more uniform, together with the fact I have oodles of e-music download back-ups, for which I cannot be arsed to do the covers, so they are pen and inked. And there are 10 x as many of the buggers. I apologise for it, but I do it.

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Retropath2 | 21 October 2008 - 8:05am

More conundra (i.e. even classier classification conundrums)

What do you do with A Flock...er I mean A Certain Ratio? If the definite article gets dumped, what happens to its indefinite sister?

What do you do with numerals? Are 10 c.c. and 10,000 Maniacs in a non-alphabetic section of their own - either before A or with the compilations after Z - or do you file them under "T" for "ten"?

HMV used to have rules on this more detailed than The Economist style guide, but I can't for the life of me remember what they were. Mr H, perhaps?

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Archie Valparaiso | 21 October 2008 - 8:07am

Personally?

I enumerate after letters.
Thankfully I haven't the "A" problem you present. I struggled hard, tho', with "A Girl called Eddy", deciding to throw it/her away as I never much listened anyway.

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Retropath2 | 21 October 2008 - 9:18am

Let iTunes sort it out, follow it's advice like a spirit guide.

It always puts 10cc after Z, even though before A is more usual. Stop thinking and just follow*.

* I'm not recruiting for a religion or a political ideal, and independent thought should be followed were appropriate.

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LOUDspeaker | 21 October 2008 - 10:42am

Articles, definite or indefinite,

have no place in the filing of records, otherwise your A and T sections would be massive. Numbers are alphabetised ie 10 under 'T'. Any other method is madness.

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steve rainbow | 21 October 2008 - 1:39pm
Richard Lowe | 21 October 2008 - 8:52am

Simple pseudo random shuffle feature implemented in hardware.

Put 'em on the shelf as you acquire them, unsorted. When you want music, a brief neck twisting along the lines will nearly always deliver up something that's half way between a conscious choice and a shuffle. A blind fumble for the first one to offer its edge up to your fingernails will often result in a mood changing listening experience you would never have deliberately selected.

The only disadvantage is that when you do want to find that specific obscure Incredible String Band title, it'll take you 45 minutes of searching and you'll need a chiropractor visit to fix your neck afterwards.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 21 October 2008 - 9:21am

This post

perfectly sums up the psyche of the Word readership.
Fantastic stuff.

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Crowdedmouse | 21 October 2008 - 9:32am

The Iggy Problem...

is one I suffer from - do you file them under I for Iggy along with all solo stuff or under P for Pop along with all his solo stuff but then...Stooges were only Iggy & The Stooges, not Iggy POP and the Stooges so they really shouldn't be filed under P at all or do you put all Stooges separately under S even Raw Power which is Iggy & The Stooges...oh I need a lie down...

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Retro Man | 21 October 2008 - 9:34am

I would take the P

Is the filing for you or to facilitate others checking up on the hipness quotient?

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Retropath2 | 21 October 2008 - 9:46am

My head hurts...

...every time my wife adds CDs to the collection - she is a list obsessive and maintains lists of everything and, having listed, she files. The problem comes about because she and I have different understandings of the alphabet and, some 500 CDs later, I have lost the will to argue my corner. So when I want to play a particular CD - in the car, say - it can be like a blessed treasure hunt, trying to track the damn thing down.

At least on the iPod, I know where I am - most of the time!

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Gavin Adam | 21 October 2008 - 9:48am

I have John Lewis CD shelves

If I get a new CD, I have to bump them all down one by taking out each disc and replacing it one slot lower. Therefore I'm fine if I get a new Warren Zevon or Neil Young album. Ryan Adams is a right pain.

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Lucas Hare | 21 October 2008 - 3:03pm

Filing is a b****er

Yeah, I know what you mean. Have pity on me; we have drawers and (two rows deep) cupboards - CDs are not allowed to be on show in our house - so it's one hell of task. Mark you, it does dissuade me from 'Hi Fidelity' style refiling exercises which I used to love.

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Gavin Adam | 21 October 2008 - 4:47pm

Ditto...

...with Bennys* from Ikea. And when you let things go for a while, you have to pull whole slots out and move onward and downward.
*Or are they Bjorns; I can never recall. And I always seem to buy the new ones in a different wood shade, however much I try not to.

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Retropath2 | 21 October 2008 - 4:57pm

Well, I always...

do my filing as though Nick Kent or David Hepworth were popping round to interview me at given moment - so lots of prominence for those records with hipness quotient and Status Quo's Greatest Hits up in the loft.

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Retro Man | 21 October 2008 - 9:54am

And that's the right answer!!!!!!

Retro is as Retro does!
Fabulous.

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Retropath2 | 21 October 2008 - 10:14am

Fraser's problem

My view is you should go with the surname. Sister may be a genuine honorific because she is (was?) a nun, or merely an indicator of status within her community.
Both Dr John and Taj Mahal in my system go under D and T respectively as that is the brand name. Muddy Waters however does go under W because when I first heard of him I'd assumed he was Mr Waters and that's stuck with me ever since. I'd guessed from when I first heard of him (on the inner sleeve advertising CBS used to use for their artist's records) that Taj Mahal was a nom de guitare and he wasn't Mr Mahal.

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Carl Parker | 21 October 2008 - 10:49am

a few years ago...

When i was a teenager working in Virgin Megastores I remember a heated discussion with our manager about filing. It all stemmed down to the fact that I had niaively filed the Van Morrison albums in V alongside the Van Halen albums.

Not knowing any better (and never having heard of anybody with "Van" as a first name) i had assumed Van Morrison's full name to be something along the lines of "Eddie Van Morrison"...

I know better these days...

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newpathstohelicon | 21 October 2008 - 11:14am

But

If I were looking for a Van Morrison CD (can't think why I would be) I confess I'd go to the V section first. Wouldn't most people?

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Thomas the Rhymer | 22 October 2008 - 1:21pm

No Tony

There you'd only find Van Halen, Velvet Underground, Visage, Violent Femmes and Voice Of The Beehive together with stuff from Jimmie and Steve Ray Vaughan. Go down to the M's.

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Springer Bell | 22 October 2008 - 1:31pm

You forgot

Verve, The.

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Archie Valparaiso | 22 October 2008 - 2:36pm

And Vangelis

;-)

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Retropath2 | 22 October 2008 - 2:54pm

Plus

Van Der Graaf Generator

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Beany | 22 October 2008 - 3:02pm

Vanity fair?

For those Tony Burrows completists.
(I somehow feel you may fit that bill, Archie?)

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Retropath2 | 22 October 2008 - 3:36pm

And the

Vibrators - hit song "We vibrate"

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Thomas the Rhymer | 22 October 2008 - 10:15pm

Where to file Buster Poindexter?

What to do with Dr John Plays Mac Rebennack? I have it under D with the others.

Other conundrums I have spent far too much time worrying about:

The various recording of Elvis Costello. You could argue that it should be E when he is with the Attractions, as the name of the band is Elvis Costello and the Attractions. Common sense says all his albums go under C. See also Lloyd Cole and the Commotions, the Tom Robinson Band, etc.

Why do Edwyn Collins solo albums sit next to Orange Juice, but Lou Reed and John Cale go under R and C and not next to the Velvet Undergound? I'm not entirely sure, but they do and it makes a kind of sense (to me at least).

All the Iggy, Stooges etc stuff goes under P without a doubt. But Elvis under E or P? He's currently under P but I'm not entirely comfortable with it.

Sylvain Sylvain's solo album goes next to the New York Dolls, but Buster Poindexter goes under J with the other David Johansen stuff.

All of which is a long-winded way of saying (I think) if you set too many hard-and-fast rules records will end up where they should not naturally be. Let the alphabet be your guide, but also employ a modicum of common sense and flexibility.

Having said that, my rules fall apart in the VA section, stored at the end of the collection naturally, where I group by genre - blues, soul etc. Something I would never do elsewhere, but it works for me.

I agree it's a volume issue, you get to a stage when you need some sort of order to be able to find anything in a hurry.

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IanP | 21 October 2008 - 12:08pm

And while we're here...

What's the 'proper' way to file classical music? By composer? Orchestra? Conductor? I assume it's by composer, but that's the opposite of the norm in popular music, where the performer is used, and therefore filing 'Eine Kleine Nacht Musik' under 'M' for Mozart is surely like filing Scott Walker's Sings Jacques Brel under 'B'.

Or perhaps I'm allowed two different filing systems in one collection?

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Fraser Lewry | 21 October 2008 - 12:38pm

It gets worse

I usually file by composer but where do I file those discs with works by two or more composers eg Beethoven and Schubert Quartets on the same disc?
My solution here is to go with the name uppermost on the spine, so this one is under Schubert.

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Carl Parker | 21 October 2008 - 1:10pm

Why did you buy it?

If you bought it because it was by a composer, then file it by composer. I assume that accounts for most people, me included.

If, however, you bought it for the conductor or the orchestra, then I guess it would be appropriate to file by those bits of metadata.

Anyway, sounds like you need* ANSCR, the Alpha-Numeric System for Classification of Recordings.

http://www.calstatela.edu/library/guides/anscr_class.htm

A Music Appreciation: History and Commentary
B Operas: Complete and Highlights
C Choral Music
D Vocal Music
(E) Orchestral music
EA Orchestral music: General Orchestral
EB Orchestral music: Ballet Music
EC Orchestral music: Concertos
ES Orchestral music: Symphonies
F Chamber Music
(G) Solo Instrumental Music
GG Solo Instrumental Music: Guitar
GO Solo Instrumental Music: Organ
GP Solo Instrumental Music: Piano
GS Solo Instrumental Music: Stringed Instruments
GV Solo Instrumental Music: Violin
GW Solo Instrumental Music: Wind Instruments
GX Solo Instrumental Music: Percussion Instruments
H Band Music
J Electronic, Mechanical Music
K Musical Shows and Operettas: Complete and Excerpts
L Soundtrack Music: Motion Pictures and Television
MA Popular Music
MC Country/Western
MG Contemporary Christian/Gospel
MJ Jazz
MN New Age
MR Rock, Rhythm and Blues, etc.
P Folk and Ethnic Music (National)
Q Folk and Ethnic Music (International)
R Holiday Music
RC Christmas Music
S Varieties and Humor
SR Varieties and Humor: Radio Transcriptions
ST Varieties and Humor: Television Transcriptions
T Plays
U Poetry
V Prose (Fiction)
VN Prose (Nonfiction)
W Documentary: History and Commentary
X Instructional or Informational Spoken Recordings
Y Sounds and Special Effects
(Z) Children's Recordings
ZI Children's Recordings: Instructional
ZM Children's Recordings: Music
ZR Children's Recordings: Holiday Music
ZRC Children's Recordings: Christmas Music
ZS Children's Recordings: Spoken
ZU Children's Recordings: Poetry

ANSCR call number examples
In the following examples, the description of a sound recording is shown on the left and the resultant ANSCR call number is shown on the right. Recording descriptions include the ANSCR call number coding in parentheses following each item of information.

Example 1:

Term One: Opera (B) B
Term Two: Puccini (PUCC) PUCC
Term Three: La Boheme (BOH) BOH
Term Four: Tullio Serafin, Decca 0082 (S82) S82

Example 2:

Term One: Orchestral music: Symphonies (ES) ES
Term Two: Beethoven (BEET) BEET
Term Three: Symphony No. 9 (9) 9
Term Four: Christoph von Dohn'nyi, Columbia MS 0020 (D20) D20

Example 3:

Term One: Jazz Music (MJ) MJ
Term Two: Miles Davis (DAVI) DAVI
Term Three: E.S.P. (ESP) ESP
Term Four: Miles Davis, Verve 0083 (D83) D83

* Note: You almost certainly do not.

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Fraser M | 21 October 2008 - 1:35pm

Interesting

I note that "Solo Instrumental Music: Wind Instruments" and "Solo Instrumental Music: Percussion Instruments" get their own categories, while everything from Bing Crosby to NWA is presumably filed under 'Popular Music'.

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Fraser Lewry | 21 October 2008 - 1:52pm

In that case

I'll need to re-file Ice Cube's rare and not very well known recorder instrumental album into a separate category and not keep it with all my NWA albums. Really good version of 'London's Burning' on there BTW. It's all so complicated. I think I need to make a spreadsheet.

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Sven Garlic | 21 October 2008 - 2:03pm

Yeah

Well, it's all just "thump, thump, thump" innit?

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Fraser M | 21 October 2008 - 2:35pm

Filing Hell

Man this is making my head spin. Must be something about the name Fraser for being truly obsessed. Personally I file by genre so the Iggy probelm is solved by lumping him in with Bowie, Roxy, Eno, Kraftwerk, Velvets, Cale, Talking Heads...you get the idea.

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ragmule | 23 October 2008 - 5:38pm

Even worse

I'm actually a records manager by profession.

The hilarious jokes about where to file your vinyl... I've had 'em all!

For the, er, record, mine are pure alphabetical by artist in chronological order, except for classical which is alphabetical by composer in chronological order.

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Fraser M | 23 October 2008 - 7:27pm

More on "Why"

I'll second Fraser M's point about filing it under the name that answers the question "Why did I buy this". If it contains a Beethoven symphony and a Brahms symphony, but you bought it because it's the best version of the Beethoven you've ever heard, file it with the other Beethoven discs. If it also contains a 2-minute fragment by Rachmaninov that you can't get out of your head, file under "R". If they're both conducted by Klemperer, and you collect his recordings, then hie thee to the "K" section. If he was conducting the CBSO, and you buy everything they record, then it's "C". Mind you, if it's Klemperer conducting the CBSO in the greatest ever performance of your favourite Beethoven symphony, then I guess you're fucked.

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Paul Vincent | 23 October 2008 - 2:31pm

Seasick Steve

SEA or STE?

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DogFacedBoy | 21 October 2008 - 12:56pm

SEA,

unless you consider Steve to be his surname...

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steve rainbow | 21 October 2008 - 1:44pm

ta thats what I thought

thanks for settling a pointless text argument!

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DogFacedBoy | 21 October 2008 - 2:10pm

I've got thousands of 12" LPs at home..

...anybody care to put them in alphabetical order? Usual rates.

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David Hepworth | 21 October 2008 - 4:18pm

OK

I'll send my address. Mail them to me and I will carry out this onerous task.

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Beany | 21 October 2008 - 4:28pm
AgentGraves | 30 October 2008 - 1:24pm

My threepenny's worth

Due to the space restrictions of flat living, I burned my cds and removed my cd collection into some big leather wallets.

These are alphabetised but I left some room to allow for future purchases by letter & sparated various artists / original soundtracks (but Magnolia with Aimee Mann vis a vis above comments)and free cds as a separate section.

The issue I have is with Cds with cardboard covers (Now Hear This included), great for the environment but I can't bring myself to give up the covers so this means I have a separate (random) filing system for these. Also, as they are always to hand, they get greater playing time than they relatively should for the proportion of these involved.

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Los Aromas | 21 October 2008 - 5:07pm

Flat living

When you say 'flat living' does that mean you've got a bad back and have to remain in a prone position to relieve the excrutiating pain. Or it could be that you rent a capsule room in a Japanese hotel. Am I warm ?

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ragmule | 23 October 2008 - 5:41pm

Cripes......

That's a whole part of the conundrum I had forgotten. The big box of CDRs in the garage (slim boxes, always slim boxes for these)comprising copies of the decent tracks from cover discs* and downloaded odds and ends. Whole album downloads get a "normal" box and a place inside on the shelves. The garage is my back up hard disc for Mr I-Pod, not least as he is now full. So far the computer hard disc seems to have room for it all, hooray.
*Originals get trashed, unless it is the "old" decent single artist covers compilations from Slomo and Unshod. They get to stay indoors too.And to think you used to have to buy 2 copies of the bloody mag to get both volumes. I was well glad they didn't try that trick on the recent largely execrable White Album vols 1 and 2, from which only about 6 tracks lasted the course. Mind you,the original wasn't all that hot, either....(Ducks)

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Retropath2 | 21 October 2008 - 5:30pm

What a lovely subject to talk about.

Actually makes me glad that I am not the only person who puts thought into such matters.
I generally am a straighforward alphabetical man, on surname and in chronological order.
However, artists such as Joe Pernice cause difficulty.
Whether Scud Mountain Boys and Chappaquidick Skyline? (erstwhile guises)
The former goes under Sc, but the latter (uniquely and somewhat controversially) goes under Pe!

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Salty | 21 October 2008 - 6:17pm

My wife

has a great system of filing MY cds. Chuck the whole lot in a pile and shuffle them like a pack of playing cards. C'est la vie say the old folks...

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Bruised Mike | 21 October 2008 - 11:01pm

Keep this between you and me...

but I do have a slight, erm, premature filing problem that causes the wife no end of grief.

If I buy a new CD I tend to stick it into iTunes then iPod and file it away pretty quickly leading to wife saying a few days later:

- Didn't you say you were going to buy the new so-and-so (good band...) CD the other day?
- Oh, yes, sorry already filed it.
- Well I wanted to listen to it but couldn't find it and not only that but it's lucky I never bought a copy aswell then.
- Sorry, the wife.

Now I have to think of having some sort of "holding area" for newly purchased CD's - but how do I file those...alphabetically or by date of purchase...?

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Retro Man | 22 October 2008 - 10:06am

A pile on the desk in the study....

...or in the car. Mind you, Mrs Path has ones I let her listen to in her car which have never ever been seen again.
(Yes, I did say "let": has anyone else ever made this mistake?)

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Retropath2 | 22 October 2008 - 10:27am

Filing Hell

Is that Sylvia Path ?

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ragmule | 23 October 2008 - 5:42pm

The fairer sex

do seem to have a much more healthy attitude towards the filing of records, I envy them.

It doesn't help my borderline OCD to have a wonderful wife who shares an almost identical music taste but a very diffident attitude towards the filing...oh well, can't have everything I guess.

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Retro Man | 22 October 2008 - 10:38am

They don't need to file records

They have towels for that.

(IGMC)

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Archie Valparaiso | 22 October 2008 - 11:09am

My system

I file my CDs alphabetically by artist, and then chronologically within the artist, so in my big section for Prince I have "For You" as the first CD and "Planet Earth" as the last. As for all of his spin-offs etc. (i.e. "...and the Revolution", "...and the New Power Generation" and so on) I still keep them all under P for Prince because, well, he was the one who mattered in the outfit.

Sister Rosetta? I'd file that one under T. Meat Loaf? That would go under M. The The? Tricky... The hardest ones I had to file were Grant-Lee Phillips and Grant Lee Buffalo: same bloke, but did I put them all under G as in GLB, or the GLB ones under G and the G-LP ones under P? I kept them all together in the end under G.

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Nasalhair | 23 October 2008 - 2:25pm

Filing Hell

Erm....how do you file his squiggle stage ?

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ragmule | 23 October 2008 - 5:43pm

iTunes

has the rather annoying habit of sticking all of my hip hop under various artists due to the guest artist malarky where as any sane man would file Outkast under O, no? The Fall have also been dumped in the VA section for some reason...does my pod have a sense of humour per-chance?

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Gav Leonard | 23 October 2008 - 2:52pm

Who cares?

From the moment that the CD was invented I decided it was a disposable format that would eventually die off.

So.

Proper vinyl albums / singles get filed alphabetically, with soundtracks and compilations all bunged together.

CDs are haphazardly strewn in vaguely thematic piles. So that pile is mainly metal, this pile is sort of country, even though Shelby Lynne shouldn't really be there anymore. That shelf is the upstairs in Edinburgh Fopp one, so blues, jazz and easy all reside there.

Motorhead, Deep Purple and Atomic Rooster have their own shelf, although that includes solo material and offshots, so look for Captain Beyond on that one.

That bookcase has Allmans, Lynyrd Skynyrd and Gov't Mule, as well as spin offs, which means that Phil Lesh may be found there if its the one with Warren Haynes, but if it's a live CD with Joan Osborne, it will be two shelves over.

Simple. Your thanks for this advice are taken as read.

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zeitgeist | 23 October 2008 - 3:09pm

Re-issues

Referring to the original post, I agree with the filing of the Beatles albums in chronological order (Please Please Me, With The Beatles etc) but where do I put the re-issued Capitol albums? I'm happy with various bootlegs shoe horning their way in to the running order but feel odd putting these colonial releases in with the main body of work.

I've just read that back and realise that I may have a xenophobic filing system. Blimey.

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Terry P | 23 October 2008 - 3:27pm

the genre problem

I haven't read all these posts. It'd take an hour. I don't have a spare hour. The subject is an important one, though, so I am replying to the initial post by Fraser Lewry (hi Fraser!).
First of all, you're making unneccessary problems for yourself: Sister Rosetta should go under 'T'. It's a no-brainer. Equally, Dr. John goes under 'D', natch.
Spare a thought, though, for my predicament; I, who, many years ago, started filing by genre, then artist, then obviously chronological ("Please Please Me" left of "With The" etc.). Now, I have nearly 2000 CDs. Not a collection of Peelian proportions, I know, but it does take up half the wallspace of my study, the other half being devoted to books. Not to mention the rump of my last vinyl collection, all that remains after selling, losing or otherwise donating several entire collections between 1970 and 1990 when I converted to CD.
The genre problem is incredibly complex. How dumb was it to initially create "US Rock" and "British Rock" categories, for example? Where does, say, Van Morrison fit into that, or Chrissie Hynde & The Pretenders?
Then there's the jazz/blues/soul/world divide. Boy, are the boundaries blurred there.
And classical music is a nightmare to classify by artist: composer, soloist, conductor or orchestra upfront?
In short, I imagine I am the only living person who could find their way around my music collection.
How liberating it is to have now a terabite of external hard disc onto which I can just rip 'em all and look at 'em in windows in alphabetical order regardless of genre...thus giving rise to interesting juxtapositions: Rolando Villazon followed by Ron Sexsmith? Works for me.

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donquixote | 23 October 2008 - 6:42pm

Genre....

Yeah, and where do you put George Ivan Morrison, who has done rock, blues, country, folk, jazz and skiffle? Or Sinead O'Connor with "alternative"(sic), rock, folk and reggae?
And I ain't even going to touch on the lunacy of the i-tunes "decisions" about what genre is which, but I enjoy the e-music intelligentsia who file much irish folk under reggae, perhaps in tribute to Ms O'Connor, but De Dannan????

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Retropath2 | 24 October 2008 - 8:29am

My Filing System...

My filing system doesn't really exist any more - I ran out of space to do it properly ages ago, so I keep everything neat, and rely on remembering where everything is. It hasn't let me down so far.

I think the most important thing with a filing system is that it works for *you*. It can be as wilfully inconsistent as you like, just as long as it enables you to find whatever you need at a moment's notice.

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Andrew F | 23 October 2008 - 7:06pm

Is The important in all of this?

Soundtracks beginning with The should be filed under T or not? For example The Big Lebowski.
Came to this late but it seems pretty anal - me i have mainly in alphabetical but in 3 locations much to chagrin of she who must be obeyed.

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Steve Turner | 24 October 2008 - 9:07am

Why Alphabetically?

Who on earth listens to music in alphabetical order. I ditched this OCD method of filing years ago, for a more intuitive method. I file music by genre and also according to what I think sits well together. That way I can play anything that suits my mood without having to hunt for it.

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Steerpike | 24 October 2008 - 11:43am

Just out of interest

how many discs are we talking about here? I can see "intuitive" working well for a few hundred discs, but not for a few thousand, or more.

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Paul Vincent | 24 October 2008 - 12:27pm

Well Paul...

...about 2,000 CDs in all. It's like eating an elephant - best done in chunks. My 200 Jazz CD's are collected under Bebop, Hard Bop, Modal, Free etc. Dark stuff like Nick Cave, Tom Waits, Johnny Cash, Scott Walker sit nicely together. Ambient doodlings from Brian Eno, Boards of Canada, Tangerine Dream, Jon Hassell all complement. There there is the quintessentially English stuff from the Beatles, Kinks, XTC. Americana - lots of these - you get the picture.

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Steerpike | 24 October 2008 - 2:20pm

Let me out of here...

I've never come across so many people desperately in need of a life. "It's the end of the world as we know it" and Word readers are fretting over whether Taj Mahal goes under T or M...

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Mr_Fox_the_Elder | 24 October 2008 - 1:08pm

Subprime. . .

should, etymologically speaking, go below prime, but alphabetically P comes before S.

We may specialise, but we can also be multidisciplinary if required.

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Archie Valparaiso | 24 October 2008 - 1:13pm

I prefer the anarchy system.

I prefer the anarchy system. Others might deem it laziness, but the main LP cabinet has four levels. The first & second rows are my favourites and I know where to find what I want. Then there's the piles on the floor. Anything there has likely been played recently, retrieved from levels one and two, but not returned home (see laziness), which usually means that I'll happily play it again. Sometimes there are happy accidents when I'm forced to trawl though levels three & four looking for something I really want to listen to and know I have, somewhere, if only I could find it. The thrill of the chase and the "gotcha" of the find is occasionally diluted by the realization that said grail is still crap and consequently consigned to rub spines with the burgeoning denizens of level four. Works for me.

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Kev Kavanagh | 24 October 2008 - 2:23pm

But...

What happens with Japan and Rain, Tree, Crow? I can't put them together, but it's basically the same band...

Oh, and the Mr has ishoos with the way I prefer to file CD singles separately, whereas he believes that they should go in with the albums. I maintain that being often in much narrower cases they can easily get lost.

AND I have some of those absurd tiny CDs...

I need a lie down.

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Em | 24 October 2008 - 11:26pm

Zappa...

under Z, Mothers of Invention under M, but where would you put Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention?

I file the Jeff Healey Band under "J". It's a band. And Jeff Healey's solo albums under "H". Healey was also a collector with 38,000 albums. I wonder where he filed his own stuff?

Genre filers like to browse, fair enough. I'd say half of my collection is multi-categorical though. "Crossover", as it were. Making it hard to find if filed by genre.

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Daigoro | 25 October 2008 - 6:43pm

What about...

...Singles?

Having worked for HMV for roughly half of the 90s, I bought an awful lot of singles by my favourite artists of that era, as well as acquired a lot of promos, rare stuff etc.

My current method is to file full albums in artist alpha order, then the singles with the relevant artist but after the albums, and in chronological order.

Collaboration singles (e.g. David Bowie and Pet Shop Boys - Hello Spaceboy) go under the first titled artist.

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AgentGraves | 30 October 2008 - 2:26pm

Chronological within alphabetic...

...surnames only (Tharp), ignoring the definite article (Sister, The, Les).

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Bigsby | 1 November 2008 - 12:28pm
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