Fade To Black

A friend commented to me at a recent awards ceremony, that it's unlikely we'll see those from the New Romantic era hounoured in the way we see the likes of Neil Diamond, John Martyn, Richard Thompson, Judy Collins or any other band or singer or songwriter who's critically acclaimed and considered to be 'proper'.

Can you imagine Simon Le Bon winning any outstanding contributions to British music awards, or Martin Kemp winning any songwriting gongs, or OMD winning best inspiration?

Gary Numan must be in line for something one of these days, and what about the Human League? Midge Ure, John Foxx, Japan?

There's some great music there - but will it ever be taken seriously by the rock establishment or simply dismissed as pap pop, fun at the time, but easily forgettable?

Is your answer:

a) It's all a load of ephemral rubbish and should be consigned to the pop dustbin

b) It's too soon to re-evaluate. Give it another few years

c) It's already is taken seriously - who says it isn't?

d) I don't care, I only like Sigur Ros, Neu! and the Ting Tings

You might be right...

...but apart from the Radio Two Folk Awards, which exists by dint of BBC subsidy, you don't see people queueing up to shower Richard Thompson or John Martyn with awards, do you?

David Hepworth | 18 June 2008 - 10:22am

Well, acksherly. . .

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A couple of days ago at the M*j* Awards. They must have seen him on the Word cover when they were drawing up this year's list. (Although admittedly he does look like he's thinking "So what am I supposed to do with this? Smoke it?")

Archie Valparaiso | 18 June 2008 - 11:37am

Things must be looking promising, then......

....for next years M*j* award, what with Roger Waters and all the other bearded men from the cover clearly in the running.
May I suggest a best beard award in (The) Word. Not the blog, cos we already dunnit.

Retropath2 | 18 June 2008 - 11:41am

And Just Imagine...

....a world where where we have ITV's 'Shockwaves Folk Awards', the MOPOs Awards (Music of Pastoral Origins)or the Q's Folking 100 List......shudder to think....urrghh..

Commoner | 19 June 2008 - 3:05pm

Awards

Subjective nonsense on the whole. Its marketing writ large and fine in that context. So when the greatest hits are ready to roll, expect a surfeit of awards to these bands.

Leedsboy | 18 June 2008 - 10:31am

Japan are ready for re-appraisal.....

....given their mentions here recently, I suspect. Perhaps more for Mick Karns basslines than David Sylvians coiffeur. Thompson Twins could stand another look. Personally I am very fond of Ultravox, Ure version, not Foxx.
Do Shakespeares Sister count? I always thought they were great. I note they are being remebered in the bassists with bosoms strand. Black Sky, with its "towards the end8" piano motif would be a good contender in the instrumental crescendos strand, as it transforms the otherwise lacklustre song, transforming it into a semi-techno thing of beauty.
Neil Diamond?: even with the hoo-ha around Rick Rubins attempt to "cash" in on him, still a schmaltzy cabaret singer, even if he did write the Monkees finest moment (and Robert Wyatts.)If the advert for his schmoozefest on telly is anything to go by, his own version sucks. (Suppose I should have watched it for the sake of impartiality, but where did impartiality ever get us?)

Retropath2 | 18 June 2008 - 10:37am

Taproot Manuscript

is a much richer and more interesting album than anything an entire wine bar full of recently arrived singer-songwriters could come up with. It also features influences that predate the trend for western interest in African music by over a decade. You could do worse than check it out.

Vulpes Vulpes | 18 June 2008 - 10:44am

taproot

Have you actually played it recently?? Neil has written a bag of great songs but that album (in my humble opinion of course) belongs on the bottom shelf with his forever in Blue Jeans and his horrible Streisand duets alongside (yikes) the jazz Singer.

bingham | 18 June 2008 - 5:23pm

Er, no.

Probably not for some time, now that you mention it. Don't you think "Cracklin' Rosie" is a belter though?

Vulpes Vulpes | 18 June 2008 - 7:07pm

Yep

Cracklin is cracking!!

bingham | 19 June 2008 - 2:05pm

e) None of them deserve it.

There are a few great albums from that era, and one or two artists worthy of note, but none in the same league as any of the names you mention in your opening paragraph, either in terms of their pioneering spirit at the time, or their longevity of quality production in the years since.

Vulpes Vulpes | 18 June 2008 - 10:38am

Dare by The Human League

is a classic by anyone's criteria. It reads like a greatest hits track listing; no filler; influenced too many to mention; crossed over from the 'trendies' to the 'squares' and into the collections of music lovers who 'didn't like that kind of thing'; stands the test of time; great artwork.

No more questions, Your Honour.

kb | 18 June 2008 - 1:52pm

Appeal allowed.

On reflection, that one does qualify, I agree.

Vulpes Vulpes | 18 June 2008 - 3:29pm

totally agree

Dare stands up because of the sheer quality of the songs.

bingham | 18 June 2008 - 5:24pm

My First Love....

....was the early 80s pop music. I still consider it one of the most imaginative times in British music. And I don't care who knows it!

(Even if Bowie and Roxy invented the early 80s....)

SimonL | 18 June 2008 - 10:46am

Is that SimonL

as in Lebon?

Vulpes Vulpes | 18 June 2008 - 11:05am

heh

No.

You'll be closer if you think of a late Beatle with a surname beginning with L...

LeBon was one of the more stupid nicknames I got at school though...

SimonL | 18 June 2008 - 12:33pm

Well...

...some of the music from that era was pretty good- I like Japan and Ultravox (preferably Foxx-era for me but some of Midge Ure's era was good too) although as stated above, this whole scene was totally in thrall to the earlier developments of David Bowie and Roxy Music.

JJ | 18 June 2008 - 11:01am

An era of fantastic 12" singles

I have been transferring em to my computer lately

Here are ten that had me and the missus rising from the fog of a good bottle of McWilliams and were embarrasingly caught by my son frugging around the kitchen table.

Money (Cash money)-Prince Charles
Adventures on The Wheels of Steel-Grandmaster Flash
I Cant Go For That/One-Hall and Oates
Money's too Tight-The Valentine Brothers
Death of a European-The Three Johns
Love Action-Human League
Que Pasa-Coati Mundi
Why-Carly Simon
Love Come Down-Evelyn King
Nipple to the Bottle-Grace Jones

bingham | 18 June 2008 - 5:36pm

Spandau Ballet...

...had some bloody good 12" single remixes. Some of which haven't actually dated thanks to some inpired mixing.

SimonL | 18 June 2008 - 5:46pm

New Romantics just not good enough

Some of those songs are enjoyable enough of course - Human League probably the best but then weren't they really straight pop when they were at their height? It's not a snobbery thing - it's the quality. Whereas Roxy Music and Bowie who got there first, now they really did produce great music.

Sven | 18 June 2008 - 11:04am

Whatever happened to Eddie Jobson?

After Roxy?
And, on the subject of Eddies, loose connection*, another 80s everywhere man, Gary Tibbs, with a cv encompassing the Vibrators*, Adam and the Ants and Roxy Music. Eclectic or what!
Where he?

Retropath2 | 18 June 2008 - 11:08am

Eddie Jobson...

...he's got around!! He was in Zappa's band for a while (on the double live 'Zappa In New York' and the cover of 'Zoot Allures' though he didn't even appear on the album), prog/jazz rock supergroup UK, Jethro Tull, and he was in Yes for a few days! He churned out a few New Age solo albums as well, I believe. Now working in a band called UK-Z.

JJ | 18 June 2008 - 11:24am

It's All Tarred With The Flock Of Seagulls Brush.

I was there at the time when New Romantic happened - and elements of it have filtered through - you can hear Soft Cell, Human League, (Electro rather than New Romantic really)Visage and early Spandau in bands like Goldfrapp and Ladytron or remixers like Mark Vidler, Soulwax and Tronik Youth.

But Mike Score's haircut really killed off any retrospective credibility.

Must have albums from the time are..

Non Stop Erotic Cabaret - Soft Cell
Human Leage - Travelogue
ABC - Lexicon Of Love
Spandau Ballet - Journeys to Glory
Visage - Visage

Dave C | 18 June 2008 - 11:26am

That already small list

tails off significantly after ABC. Add Dare and you have all the good ones.

Leedsboy | 18 June 2008 - 11:43am

I prefer

the League Unlimited Orchestra versions.

Vulpes Vulpes | 18 June 2008 - 12:37pm

And

those after ABC are the only ones who are properly new romantic out of that list, aren't they?

Sven | 18 June 2008 - 12:40pm

Spandau and Visage were New Romantics

hanging out at the Beat Route, Blitz,Le Kilt etc...

I'd also add H.League's 'Love and Dancing' and Soft Cell's 'Non Stop Ecstatic Dancing' - but it was more of a cult of dressing up rather than a musical movement, so there's not really that many bands off the back of it and the playlist at any of these clubs would play Bowie, Roxy and various assorted oddities and obscurities.

These site is great source for all the ' New Sounds New Styles' from the time

http://www.geocities.com/theblitzkids/index24.html

Dave C | 18 June 2008 - 1:59pm

Journeys to Glory

Great shout. Still gets played round here even now. Reformation, Confused, The Freeze, TCALSS. All brilliant.

kb | 18 June 2008 - 1:56pm

Marc Almond, absolutely....

I'd also stick a semi-ironic plug in for Adam Ant. Seriously overlooked.

Visage were shit - sorry.

Nodge1970 | 18 June 2008 - 4:27pm

MOJO awards - collect the set

The MOJO thesaurus must get pretty dog-eared at awards time:

The MOJO Legend Award
The MOJO Hero Award
The MOJO Inspiration Award
The MOJO Icon Award
The MOJO Outstanding Contribution To Music
The MOJO Lifetime Achievement Award
The MOJO Hall Of Fame
The MOJO Medal
The MOJO Maverick

etc, etc.

Nick White | 18 June 2008 - 12:26pm

It's hard to tell them apart...

But it's a great excuse for gathering legends together.

Five-Centres | 18 June 2008 - 12:30pm

Not to mention...

...icons, heroes and inspirations too.

Nick White | 18 June 2008 - 5:19pm

It might just be because it's my era..

..but I really do love the music from that time.

I think one of the reasons it's seen as throwaway is that it was a very 7" single orientated time. It was also the least 'rockist' era ever as far as I can see. That's pretty much guaranteed to stop it getting praise.

The influence of the early 80s (not the later post Live Aid 80s where every band seemed to want to be Steely Dan) shows itself over the years in a particular area: it was the first era where the sampler became available to producers, and the first where people made huge use of sequencers. And as technology moved on and samplers/sequencers became smaller and cheaper it made it possible for people to do that at home. And so the dance scene grew out of that influence. The early US techno artists were hugely influenced by the likes of Vince Clarke and said so readily in interviews at the time. And the British artists began to emerge on the scene here, with their vintage synths and samplers talked quite openly of their love for the likes of Gary Numan, The Human League and Visage.

Dance music seems to have gone underground again; as these things do. But the cheaper techology that made that possible moved into the professional studios. Quite a lot of the big pop producers have a connection with dance music. So I guess pop does eat itself from time to time...

SimonL | 18 June 2008 - 12:48pm

A word about Spandau Ballet

Well, a sentence. Some great tunes (Only When You Leave, Gold, True, Through The Barricades, Chant No 1); awful lyrics throughout. As Captain Haddock would say, bilge from stem to stern.

Azeem | 18 June 2008 - 1:04pm

Not sure what is "New Romantic" but...

Culture Club, The Associates, Japan, durutti column, soft cell, ABC, altered images, The Human League, Talk Talk, Psychedelic Furs,The Funboy Three, Haircut 100 New Order, Scritti Politti are pretty good and I listen to all regularly

Duran (except first single) Spandau (except chant no 1) and flock of seagulss (except photograph) are pretty bad and would rather not listen to them

In my opinion.

dolly | 18 June 2008 - 2:00pm

I liked all those

to some degree except Japan - found that sound over affected, even for pop. A lot of that stuff you list was so fun and funky - bright and lively pop to dance to. Could do with more of that kind of thing. Pop - so much better in my day etc. Bill Drummond will not be best pleased - the tiresome, self-publicising arse.

Sven | 18 June 2008 - 4:53pm

depeche mode

Yazzoo (going to see them tonight actually) also good

dolly | 18 June 2008 - 2:01pm

Simple Minds - The Early Years...

Very good indeed.

Empires and Dance, New Gold Dream, Sons and Fascination...

Good stuff - always a shame that Kerr hit the Bono button sometime in 1984.

Nodge1970 | 18 June 2008 - 4:30pm

How could I have forgotten Simple Minds?

"New Gold Dream" is the third of the triumvirate of great "new pop" albums of the early 80's along with ABC Lexicon, Human League Dare. Those three albums would do pretty well as a tag wrestling team taking on allcomer great album combo's from other eras. Not a duff track on any of them & each are genuinely ground breaking.

In fact Simple Minds are long overdue a reappraisal. I am now listening to "Big Sleep" By Simple Minds. Quite beautiful.

dolly | 18 June 2008 - 5:40pm

"Hit the Bono button"

What a top notch line!

Only thing is....Kerr hit the Bono button and bought 5 houses, a couple of hotels and almost Celtic Football Club. So maybe that was the bonus button....

kb | 18 June 2008 - 5:45pm

Dare I say it?

...but i really like 'Street Fighting Years'. Is this classed as one from their later years?

Commoner | 22 June 2008 - 7:02am

Agreed...

...I have all three of those Simple Minds albums and there's some great, inventive stuff on them. I was advised on this site to avoid the albums that followed... Were they ever considered New Romantics?

Talk Talk I guess must have been considered thus early on, but I like the later efforts 'The Colour Of Spring' and 'Spirit Of Eden' a great deal.

The guys from Japan later turned up as the bizarrely monikered 'Rain Tree Crow', of course.

JJ | 18 June 2008 - 5:33pm

Sweat In Bullet, Love Song, The American, I Travel...

Corkers one and all.

I always thought they fell nicely in with the New Romantics. They were on my Modern Dance K-Tel compilation after all. And New Gold Dream ticked all the right NR boxes.

Five-Centres | 18 June 2008 - 5:55pm

My wife tells me

that Wishing (I Had A Photograph Of You) by The 'gulls was written for and about an old schoolfriend of hers. Some sort of love triangle, apparently.

Futurenoir | 18 June 2008 - 6:50pm

There is a hell of a lot

There is a hell of a lot more to early 80s music than "new romantic", but unfortunately reminiscence about this era seems to be the playground of morons (nobody on these boards, by the way), who think that creative effort under the Thatcher government is summed up by the average playlist of a "school disco" night. A quick unscientific scan through my iPod finds a number of greatly under-rated records from this era - "Wilder" by The Teardrop Explodes, "Heaven Up Here" by the Bunnymen (I can't understand why they're touring "Ocean Rain" this year, which is a far inferior record), "Songs To Remember" by Scritti Politti, "Sulk" by the Associates... Shall I go on?

Ben Milne | 18 June 2008 - 10:21pm

Sulk

That, along with Dare and Lexicon Of Love makes up my three of the best from that era.

Mostly I think of that era as a pretty damn imaginative, inventive and fearless time. The amount of mainstream albums/singles from the early 80s (and for me it is mostly the early 80s - that decades equivalent to 64-67) that when you listen to them are just damn odd. And these were best sellers...

The artists you list all had chart success, were all featured in Smash Hits, were all on Top Of The Pops. Anybody remember The Associates with the chocolate guitar? Genius!

SimonL | 18 June 2008 - 11:56pm

Gotta agree about early

Gotta agree about early SImple Minds. I've been listening to New Gold Dream obsessively over the last few weeks for some reason! A great record. I think it's an inspired era - as well as New Romantic, you've got early hip hop, some really adventurous pop and great maverick indie acts like Felt and The Cocteaus.

Paul Cunningham | 19 June 2008 - 2:07am