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Exile On Main Street meets Sex In The City in our dressing-up cupboard

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ImageWe've been looking at The Stones In Exile and marvelling at how much of the myth of Exile On Main Street is down to the cover design, wondering if Mick Taylor is the most underrated musician in rock, exactly how showbiz Keith Richards is and whether the record is really is all it's cracked up to be. Kate Mossman arrives hot foot from a screening of Sex In The City 2 to report on a disaster for cinema but a triumph for product placement and Botox. And why has the withdrawal of U2 from Glastonbury triggered such widespread celebration among the Twitterati? What's Willie Nelson done with his pony tail? What happens on Facebook when you shuffle off this mortal coil? Plus a few hot tips for museums and your questions answered.

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Carnival freak show types

Listening to the podcast now. Just struck me: an album graced with those freakish, carnival types containing music recorded in the basement of a house where most of the band were living together, making music for fun...sound a bit familiar? I always thought that the after-the-fact packaging for The Basement Tapes should have looked a bit more like Exile On Main Street.

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Lucas Hare | 28 May 2010 - 1:39pm

Exile : a critic-led reputation ?

Not heard the podcast yet, but here goes.

Exile On Main Street is probably my favourite album, and I can recall how I came to it, and how I came to love it.

In the late 1970s, Paul Gambaccini produced a book called "Critics' Choice: The Top 200 Albums". This invited Christgau, Marcus, Marsh, Bob Harris, Mark P from Sniffin' Glue, you name them, to submit their top ten albums, which The Great Gambo then ran his sliderule over and produced a list.

I was just starting out with music and the music press and so all young and impressionable. I was fascinated with this book, poring over most Saturdays in our local bookshop, as it was the first time (lists are everywhere now, but I don't recall so many then) that The Canon had been laid out for me, with pointers for stuff to listen to, an idea of a pecking order (Sergeant Pepper was top album, surprise, surprise) and at least as fascinating was what seemed like perverse decisions. Which brings us to Exile On Main Street.

Exile was (if memory serves) Number 7. This seemed puzzling : why was it above Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and Beggar's Banquet, all of which had much more famous stuff on it ? Exile only had Tumbling Dice, which was hardly Satisfaction. Added to which I knew that by then Exile had taken a bit of a kicking when it came out. Plus, was it not true that most double albums were, by definition, overblown and indulgent ? So, what was so special about this album ?

Well, this book did offer the critics space to justify their nominations (here is Robert Christgau's http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/list/gambaccini-78.php though it does not exactly illustrate my point re. Exile), which did attempt explain their enthusiasms. At least two had it as their choice for Number 1.

So I borrow it from my local record library, and don't get on with it at all. It seems so strange and murky. Where are the hits ? Why can't I tell what Jagger is singing ? Why is that song called Turd On The Run ? But I borrow it again, and again, and slowly it starts to bend me to its will. I found that some of my favourite records puzzled me at first (first Clash album, Astral Weeks, loads of jazz) but many of those that have stayed with me required a bit of mark, and Exile is the prime example of this.

The whole business of lists and The Canon can be become self-reinforcing, so the next list has lots of the usual suspects, but for Exile, it did work for me.

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Doods | 28 May 2010 - 1:45pm

I think the Top 20 of that book

had quite an influence on me-in the sense of things I "ought to hear" at some point. I can't remember the order but will have a go at remembering what was in the 20:

1. Abbey Rd
2. Pepper
3. Rubber Soul
4. Revolver
5. White Album ?
6. Astral Weeks
7. Let It Bleed
8. Exile
9. Highway 61
10. Blonde on Blonde
11. Who's Next
12. Born to Run
13. Forever Changes
14. Pet Sounds
15. Sun Collection [Elvis]

and I am struggling over the last 5 ...

(edit:
16. Layla was one
17. And I am pretty sure there was a Hendrix one
)

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SpaceBoy | 1 June 2010 - 10:47pm

Here you go

http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/steveparker/world_critics_lists.htm

I have felt compelled to order up an old battered copy of this off the interweb, really for the justifications than the list itself, but even the bald list throws up some crackers. For me it is always the odd choices that make these lists interesting; to name by a few :

36. John Stewart - California Bloodlines
51. Blood, Sweat And Tears - Blood, Sweat And Tears
58. Michael Nesmith - And The Hits Just Keep On Comin'
63. Supertramp - Even In The Quietest Moments
98. Genevieve Waite - Romance Is On The Wire
110. David Ackles - American Gothic
129. John Phillips - Wolfking Of L.A. 1970
130. John Prine - John Prine
159. Appletree Theatre - Playback

Though I was especially gratified by

134. Huey "Piano" Smith - Rockin' Pneumonia And The Boogie Woogie Flu

And somehow David (Bowie) Live from 1974 is in despite being terrible. And has anyone listened to Lennon's Mind Games this century ? Memories are not strong...

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Doods | 2 June 2010 - 12:43pm

Heppo /Ellen alert

If you page down on the above link, a lot, you will get the similar exercise in the 1980s, accompanied by the nominations, including those from Messrs Hepworth and Ellen, with inclusions perhaps predictable and rather less so...

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Doods | 2 June 2010 - 12:54pm

Thanks

I had wondered if The Band would be there, perhaps we need to start a campaign to get Mark E to play side 2, though maybe he feels one should always have something to look forward to in life ...

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SpaceBoy | 2 June 2010 - 6:08pm

Mind you...

Our esteemed editor's Number One album choice seems to be out of print.

The campaign for reissue starts here :


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Doods | 3 June 2010 - 12:44am

Thanks, wandering the web spurred by that list

came across this by Simon Frith quoted on his Wikipedia bio:

Frith (2004, p. 17-9) argued that "'bad music' is a necessary concept for musical pleasure, for musical aesthetics." He distinguishes two common kinds of bad music; the Worst Records Ever Made type, which include:
"Tracks which are clearly incompetent musically; made by singers who can't sing, players who can't play, producers who can't produce,"
"Tracks involving genre confusion. The most common examples are actors or TV stars recording in the latest style,"
and "rock critical lists," which include:
"Tracks that feature sound gimmicks that have outlived their charm or novelty,"
"Tracks that depend on false sentiment (...), that feature an excess of feeling molded into a radio-friendly pop song."
He later gives three common qualities attributed to bad music: inauthentic, [in] bad taste (see also: kitsch), and stupid. He argues that "The marking off of some tracks and genres and artists as 'bad' is a necessary part of popular music pleasure; it is a way we establish our place in various music worlds. And 'bad' is a key word here because it suggests that aesthetic and ethical judgements are tied together here: not to like a record is not just a matter of taste; it is also a matter of argument, and argument that matters." (p. 28)

I don't think "rock critical lists" means "lists by rock critics" here ;-)

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SpaceBoy | 3 June 2010 - 7:23am

And the nominees are...

Loved reading those nominations. Especially amused to see that Gary Crowley rated Haircut 100's Pelican West a better album than Revolver.

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AdamRob | 3 June 2010 - 11:11pm

Just to subvert my own argument

On the back of this, I ordered up said Gambo tome, but as it turns out only Christgau chose it as Number One. On the other hand, he claims there is hardly a bad cut on any of his Top Ten. I adore Exile, but don't think much of Sweet Black Angel. Or Shine A Light. But the rest carries it.

But , to continue my line about Exile's reputation being critic-led, Griel Marcus in his rather fab Mystery Train, had a small survey of Robert Johnson covers, and top of the list is Stop Breaking Down, from Exile. And having a Robert Johnson fetish I have to agree. (There was a big Robert Johnson thing down our way. There are surprising quantities of King Of The Delta Blues Singers in the south side of Glasgow.)

In my view, critic nutters led us to Exile. I for one am glad.

On the other hand, Exile got me three points on my licence, but that is another story.

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Doods | 7 June 2010 - 1:38am

Tell it, Doods,

tell it!

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nigelthebald | 7 June 2010 - 7:36am

Exile

I have been listening to this album for about twenty years; and have tried and tried to like it as much as the critics do. I was always in agreement with Fraser's "Not as good as Sticky Fingers" (or, for that matter, Let It Bleed) opinion. I loved the first half and 'Shine A Light', but I thought the rest was just flabby filler. Until about three months ago: I was driving through North London on the first sunny day of the year, and it just clicked. Songs that had left me cold for two decades - 'Turd On The Run', 'Let It Loose', 'Soul Survivor', 'All Down The Line' - just leapt out at me; and finally, I felt I would no longer say of this album that it should have been half the length.

But David Hepworth's right. It's more about the sound than the songs.

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Lucas Hare | 28 May 2010 - 1:58pm

Trying it on my recently spiffed up stereo and

I also have to concur with Mr H.

In particular, it does seem to use the mother of all riffs to great effect, i.e. this:

(aka this

)

I am ignorant-where, way back when, in Blues history did this riff surface first ?

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SpaceBoy | 1 June 2010 - 10:25pm

I see this is part of the answer

but if anyone can point me to where John Lee Hooker (?) coins it I'd be grateful.

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SpaceBoy | 1 June 2010 - 11:25pm
Pat Carty | 2 June 2010 - 9:06am

Has certainly been thought so by some

http://cip.law.ucla.edu/cases/case_lacienegazztop.html [via the Wikipedia page for BC].

Thanks for the pointer.

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SpaceBoy | 2 June 2010 - 6:16pm

Wasted... still am.

I enjoy Exile On Main Street as an album. If you're feeling out of sorts it’ll put the swagger back in your step.

I like to think that I stayed true to the record’s elegantly wasted spirit earlier today when I listened to it at modest volume on my iPod, while queuing up in Waitrose to exchange a damaged table lamp.

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backwards7 | 28 May 2010 - 2:43pm

This could be a good idea for a thread...

everyone logs the places and situations in which they find themselves listening to Exile on Main St on their iPods.

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Patrick Crowther | 1 June 2010 - 12:24pm

b7

a poignant vignette - a Prufrockesque distillation of the separateness between our imagined lives and our real selves.

I remember playing the album quite loudly before being asked - or rather told - by my father to "turn that rubbish off and get on with your homework"

Which I dd - but not without setting the books down on the table with quite a thud I don't mind telling you.

I think Keef would have been proud

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Sheev | 5 June 2010 - 1:50pm

100% Proof Rock

you might say---I am glad all this talk of it has made me listen to my CD again-growing on me-and I certainly found "The Stones in Exile" a very useful iPod distraction on a packed train out of Euston on Friday night.

But the revelation over the weekend was another album mentioned above-hadn't heard the Band's 2nd album in years-but had had it on LP. The CD reissue from a few years ago sounds quite extraordinary-especially Rocking Chair.

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SpaceBoy | 6 June 2010 - 6:40pm

Rockin' Chair...

...is the real reason that Mark Ellen needs to hear Side 2.

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Lucas Hare | 6 June 2010 - 9:51pm

Is it just me...

...or does that picture look like someone's favourite niece has popped in to make sure they have enough Old Holborn and Werthers Originals to keep them going through the bank holiday weekend?

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skirky | 28 May 2010 - 3:39pm

A "karma error" is preventing me from giving...

... an up arrow. So I've had to type this one.

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ganglesprocket | 28 May 2010 - 4:14pm

Exile is a great

album as are most of the Stones albums and like most Stones albums there's a lot of filler........except 'Between The Buttons' which is all killer.

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Randlepmcmurphy | 28 May 2010 - 4:11pm

it's

not the Stone Roses second album then?

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James Blast | 29 May 2010 - 1:35am

Exile

is the greatest record I've ever heard.

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Pat Carty | 29 May 2010 - 1:57pm

Me too

apart from Station to Station, of course.

And The Hissing of Summer Lawns

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Sheev | 5 June 2010 - 1:56pm

No, no, no, no, no!!!!!!

It's Station to Station and Hejira. How many times do I have to.....rant blah blah rant....etc...

Sorry sheev. ;-)

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Iainso | 7 June 2010 - 7:42pm

Loving Cup

I know sweeping generalisations are a feature of Word Magazine but for Fraser to say it only has one good track is frankly absurd. Listen to Loving Cup, it's a stone cold masterpiece and one of the best things they have ever done.

It did take me a while to realise it, but it really is their best album and, for me, the best rock album I've ever heard.

And, yes, it is chockful of great songs, Tumbling Dice, Sweet Virginia, Torn and Frayed, Loving Cup, Happy, Ventilator Blues, Let it Loose, All Down the Line and Shine a Light are all up there with the very best The Stones or anybody else can offer.

Also I, for one, am glad that they finished the original Plundered My Soul out take. It's pretty awesome and the best thing they've released in at least a couple of deacdes.

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dai | 29 May 2010 - 5:40pm

World Cup Flags

Not supporting New Zealand then Fraser?

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Molesworth | 30 May 2010 - 3:04pm

That was the one I didn't mention

Forgot where I was born under the pressure of podcasting.

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Fraser Lewry | 30 May 2010 - 3:08pm

After this afternoon's

display against Japan, I'm trying to do the same.

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Molesworth | 30 May 2010 - 3:38pm

"Tumbling Dice," is not..

..the only good song on "Exile" dear Fraser.
I know this is all subjective, but among the wooly, stoned murk there is a plethora of gold..
"Sweet Virginia" "Loving Cup" "Happy" (C'mon.."Happy"!)"Shine A Light" (The Stones' second greatest song)and the absolutely peerless "Ventilator Blues"

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shane pacey | 31 May 2010 - 11:49pm

and a stomping version

of "stop breaking down" in the style of buddy guy and my namesake junior wells

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Junior Wells | 1 June 2010 - 12:22am

I did a gig with Junior Wells..

..a few years back..he came up to my knee.
Spoke to him for a few minutes, nice chap..didn't understand a word he said.
Having said that "It's My Life, Baby" and "Hoodoo Man Blues" are two of my faves..only Junior knew how to restrain Buddy.

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shane pacey | 1 June 2010 - 1:59am

damn right ...I've got the blues

saw them in 1973 at melbourne town hall- arthur crudup of thAT'S ALRIGHT MAMA was support- he was ancient even then. I was 16 and the musical DNA was set that night for life.

Junior was in his prime, a full swathe of harmonicas strapped across his chest, buddy in a red velour jumpsuit tapping out sunshine of your love on the stage floor boards through the pickups of his guitar.

Buddy was ,obviously, a show off back then but manageable. Alas now it has taken over completely from playing some fine songs

Saw junior a while back at the Palace in Melbourne. The band played for about 45 minutes before he finally came on stage sang half heartedly , probably drunk- such a shame.

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Junior Wells | 1 June 2010 - 5:20am

good stuff as ever...

1) watched the BBC doc to see what all the fuss is about exile on main street. Firstly thought the doc was a bit dull, bitty and oddly pasted together is there alonger version where the stones appear? As to the album the music from the doc didn't spark any interest which is odd as most of BEEB's music docs at least show why album was important even if it's not for me. I do like tumbling dice though.

2) OH and Fraser I make my own ice cream too! Quite often actually the hit of last summer was condensed milk and rhubarb! Tend not to make custard based ones but all over your sorbets and granitas, grapefruit and campari is particular favourite!

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Chris G | 1 June 2010 - 12:17pm

On the subject of ice cream

I was out last week with The Boy, who took me to his favourite pub in Huddersfield, The Parish.

Whilst enjoying a remarkably good burger, Matt told me about the chef's recent culinary experiments.

He was offering samples of jelly to the patrons, the other week, to be swirled into a new flavour of ice cream he was working on.

The jelly was made out of Red Bull.

The ice cream? Jagermeister flavour.

So...if the idea of Jagermeister ice cream, with Red Bull jelly, takes your fancy, then I commend The Parish in Huddersfield. They have some good bands on too, by all accounts.

Oh - and as far as Exile is concerned, it's been on steady rotation in Waring Towers since the reissue came out.

And in this, as in so many other things rockular, Mr Carty of this parish is again bang on the money.

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Paul Waring | 1 June 2010 - 7:38pm

Thank You Paul

that's very kind

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Pat Carty | 5 June 2010 - 2:15pm

Ice cream...

...can be a bit of a pain, but I recommend a pot of yoghurt mixed with lemon curd, in the freezer for a couple of hours (no longer). Dead easy and tasty as hell.

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Richie B | 2 June 2010 - 6:13pm

Mick Taylor/Jimmy Miller

I agree broadly with the sentiment expressed by Frazer that their best albums have Mick Taylor on, but I would include Beggar's Banquet and Let It Bleed on that prime period, and he didn't play on BB and only on two tracks on LIB. The real common factor is Jimmy Miller, who doesn't seem to get the credit he deserves.

Admission time - it has taken me 40 years to really appreciate Exile!Maybe it didn't help that it was a double album, but following right after Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers it just seemed a bit of a lo-fi mess with no standout tracks, and I ended up never playing it. Now, revisiting it, it is suddenly revealed as a matchless masterpiece and I GET IT NOW...!!

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NigelT | 3 June 2010 - 5:18pm

Jagger and Richards too

Also at the height of their powers, not to mention Watts and Wyman. That's why this period was so great.

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dai | 7 June 2010 - 7:32pm

Sorry if I'm being thick

But I can't see how to play this week's effort. The RSS feed is pointing to the podcast with Neil Hannon.

Is it me?

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johnlyons121 | 3 June 2010 - 8:37pm

I think it might be

The feed is up-to-date down this end of the internet.

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Fraser Lewry | 3 June 2010 - 10:13pm

Well

I can't play it either. I get the Neil one as well.

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Locust | 5 June 2010 - 2:07pm

Cheers

Thanks for a great listen. I was on a train between Copenhagen and Hundested on Friday and due to some coincidences (recently subscribed to the podcast having listened on pc for some time, downloading an album the day before), found this on my iPod.

Never been a fan of the stones but the background stories were great and this thread means I'll seek out exile, would never go near SATC2 but review made me laugh.

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Los Aromas | 6 June 2010 - 6:28pm

Exile On Main Street again...

My tuppence...

The usual comments about this album have always surprised me: no real tunes? mixed-down vocals? murky sound?

I don't know. Maybe it's because it was one of the first Stones albums I bought (after Hot Rocks and Sticky Fingers) but I just always heard it as a great sounding album full of great tunes, no murkiness at all.

My first impression (which has remained) is that it sounds like the band effortlessly at the top of their game. I realise there was probably a lot more effort (and luck) involved, but it just sounds like the band are chucking out hit after hit, riff after riff, most of which are at least the equal of their classics. I like the first half best, with all the rockers like Rip This Joint and Turd On The Run. But the second half is weighted with all the gospel stuff, sounds all decadent and "the morning after". A great sequence of songs.

There is a tangible dip in quality with the next album, Goats Head Soup. That's when they went cabaret.

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Stephen Merrick | 7 June 2010 - 8:13pm

No longer news I know

but cracked me up:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fbi-uncovers-plot-to-sex-and-the-city-2...

According to agents, the FBI first heard rumors of the plot in August of last year, when Internet chatter picked up from People magazine's website was found to contain several red flags, including repeated mentions of "the girls throwing on their high heels one last time."

By late October, operatives had uncovered a crude plot device, the details of which they would not reveal for fear of alarming an already-tense public. They also came across several script pages hinting that the fabulous foursome would be traveling to Abu Dhabi for a week of decadence, glamour, and no-limit fun. No action was taken at that time, however, because investigators believed the likelihood of anyone carrying out a plot based on such a flimsy premise was "preposterous at best."

The FBI now admits it was wrong.

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SpaceBoy | 19 July 2010 - 6:54pm
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