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I’ve recently brought my turntable out of retirement after about 2 decades of being sitting about doing nothing (the turntable not me). Of the LPs I did own back then I’ve pretty much replaced all of the decent ones with CD or MP3.

I never thought I’d want to listen to the platters again so, a few years ago, I took my vinyl collection to a car boot sale and, surprise surprise, all the good stuff was snapped up almost immediately by a couple of collectors - or maybe they were traders. I had a lot of Neil Young, Dead, Floyd, Zeppelin, Rush, Doors, Creedence, etc (real up to the minute stuff). The upshot is I’m left with a pretty substandard record collection with a few exceptions (Famous Blue Raincoat, Tim Buckley Live in London, Gram Parsons Live ’73).

I’m going to have a trawl of a few record shops in Edinburgh tomorrow to start the process of replenishing my once wonderful collection. My question to you is what are the 3 albums which digital format just doesn’t do justice and that I need on vinyl? My tastes haven’t changed too much in the intervening years but I do like more modern stuff like Wilco, My Morning Jacket and the Jayhawks. All very white and guitary it’s true.

So, three albums which sound great on vinyl.

Also, are the heavy audiophile editions being released these days worth the money if they are to be listened on a very mid range system? I’m thinking about splashing out on Astral Weeks at £20. Should I just go second hand?

Thanks in advance.

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Reggae

It is a Golden Rule of Life that reggae ALWAYS sounds better on vinyl.

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jimmyshoes01 | 12 August 2011 - 1:05pm

Welcome back to the land of vinyl

Seeing as you have limited it to three, I'll ponder carefully.

I have found variable quality in remasters (not all of them are worth the £25 or whatever), but the recent Rolling Stones Exile on Main St was fantastic. So that would be my first pick.

If you are buying early 70s vinyl in decent condition, you may have some clicks - depends if you can live with that. In my experience, quality of pressings went downhill in the late 70s to the point where many LPs in 85 were practically flexidiscs.

Two quick picks that I think sound better on my old vinyl than on CD are The J Geils Band - Full House and Carole King - Tapestry.

Happy shopping!

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el hombre malo | 12 August 2011 - 1:26pm

Dark side

I was looking at the Dark Side of the Moon reissue double album the other day. It is lovely!

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Twangothan | 12 August 2011 - 1:52pm

My 3

Blonde on Blonde sounds brilliant on vinyl.
Forever Changes is also better - there are edits on my record that aren't on the CD.
The 3rd Velvets LP also superior on disc.

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BigE | 12 August 2011 - 2:08pm

I'm moving house..(hopefully)..

...and despite not having played any vinyl for years, I am taking it all with me. Can you recommend a mid price turntable?

http://t.co/tUKt8iU

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Iainso | 12 August 2011 - 2:09pm

Go see Richer Sounds

http://www.richersounds.com/products/hi-fi-separates/separates/turntable...

I bought a Project from them and it's been an absolute joy.

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el hombre malo | 12 August 2011 - 2:26pm

Not sure what midpriced is nowadays

but I'm sure a Rega RP1 http://www.rega.co.uk/html/RP1.htm
wouldn't disappoint. It's £229 at Sevenoaks.

I owned a Rega Planar 2 for about 5 years or so and am still almost sorry I ever upgraded it (to a Linn and then more recently my dad's old Systemdek). Regas are elegant, pain-free, and British, and their dealers tend to be good people to deal with. When the world ends, the cockroaches (and Keef) will be serenaded by a Rega ...

Other turntables are available ...

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SpaceBoy | 12 August 2011 - 3:50pm

Rega

You can't go wrong. I had a P3 for fifteen years and it was still going strong when the upgrade bug finally bit.

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fat bob | 12 August 2011 - 6:26pm

Seconded.

My Planar 3 turntable sits alongside my Planet CD deck, and I am a very happy bunny with those two lovely babies.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 13 August 2011 - 8:29am

Not thirded (sp)

My used Technics SL1210mk2 with a Shure Whitelabel pickup makes a majestic sound

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Joachim Arnerholm | 13 August 2011 - 3:30pm

Right now

With the Swedish classic Blå Tågets Brustna Hjärtans Hotell! Take that, you anglos!!

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Joachim Arnerholm | 13 August 2011 - 4:33pm

Actually, about now would be a good time for the Word to do

another "win a record player" comp:

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/brilliant-prize-competition-win-re...

I believe somewhere in his Vinyl Saturday tweets DH mentioned having a Planar original model (just called a Planar not a "Planar I"), not quite sure what these look like but I think the old-style Planar 2 was similar:

I have also experienced spasms of turntable envy when drakeygirl describes her Michell Gyrodec, see posts passim, but I reckon if I was to buy one purely for looks it would probably be a Transcriptors Reference:

[for when the Droogs drop round for tea---"do you take Moloko ?"]

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SpaceBoy | 14 August 2011 - 3:03pm

3 Mono albums

Beatles - Sgt Pepper's
Bob Dylan - John Wesley Harding
Beach Boys - Pet Sounds (cheapest version as a double with Carl and the Passions)

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dai | 12 August 2011 - 3:16pm

I own only 4 vinyl albums

I own only 4 vinyl albums and I love them.

Jean Michel Jarre - Equinoxe
Jean Michel Jarre - Concerts in China
Vangelis - Spiral
Underworld - Second Toughest in the Infants.

They're actually framed and on the wall of my home studio. God I love them.

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Art Vandelay | 12 August 2011 - 3:29pm

WWWHHHHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT????????????????????

Are you insane?

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Spider-mans arc... | 12 August 2011 - 9:57pm

Gets coat

I don't have a record player so I think it's a pretty good use of such wonderful art.

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Art Vandelay | 15 August 2011 - 9:55am

To make things easy on myself

i'll stick to post punk for starters.

1. PIL - Metal Box / Second Edition
These re-issues on 4 men with beards are mind blowing, knocking the original pressings into shitsville. The Metal Box (3 x 12") is best, as you would expect, and i know avalanche had one a couple of years back. However, since they've moved and it sells for £200 on ebay, they've probably sold it. Settle then for the 2 LP "Second Edition". 4 men have also released blinding re-issues of the first three Wire LPs (bitch-no EP with 154), the first four Scott Walker records and "Dusty in Memphis" (with US cover).

2. Gang of Four "Entertainment!"
Now, i can't remember who re-issued this, but i saw one on tuesday. Again, a shredder. Bass pounds, Guitar sounds like when Tom scraped down the side of that liner.

3. (cheat) Any mint Japanese pressings, and not necesarrily originals. Japan alwys use virgin vinyl and i have made it my small and pathetic aim to own Japanese copies of all my favourite records. You haven't heard "Dirty Mind" by prince until you hear from land of rising sun! Ebay makes this easy, especially if you get from dealers in the US. Buy in bulk if you can. I got six eighties Prince albums for under £40 delivered! First three Devo for £13! British dealers will skin you alive though.

The last recommendation should, in the long run, provide aural orgasm in perpetuity. Good luck!!

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drilltime | 12 August 2011 - 3:50pm

oh..

and our friend is absolutely spot on concerning reggae.
And if mono is your bag see Sundazed. Their mono Dylan LPs will cause deep religious stirrings.

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drilltime | 12 August 2011 - 3:53pm

Their NRBQ reissue of

Workshop is ace too. I even ripped it to CD for the car, and it sounds better than almost any commercial CD you care to name.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 13 August 2011 - 8:32am

whoops

this is a double post removed.
And HMV.com are very cheap and very good.
Example; Soft Boys re-issues, lovely pressings etc - £8.99!
Ditto Raincoats

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drilltime | 12 August 2011 - 4:57pm

If you are after new versions\remasters of albums

then check around for reviews. Steve Hoffman's site has forums which are good in the nitty gritty of different pressings and A&B comparisons.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/

The recent Costello reissues of his first 4 albums have been brills stuff from Mobile Fidelity. Pricey but if you wants the best....

Aways ask what the sources of any reissue is. Original tapes, comparison to original vinyl pressings, whose done the mastering job. An alarming amount of so called audiophile reissues are just sourced from CDs - Simply Vinyl

Also try and go for the artists country of origin. The US stereo of Blonde On Blonde kicks the shit out of the UK stereo

Big Thumbs up for 4 Men With beards from here too. Their Dusty in Memphis is just sublimely great. Truelove's Gutter by Richard Hawley is stupendous cut but only 1000 copies so you're gonna have to pay up via ebay.

And if you want mono Fabs n Beach Boys - car boot sales. You can pick up pretty good copies and that 60's vinyl can put up with a bit of punishment.

Oh and you haven't heard Dylan's 'Modern Times' until you've heard the vinyl - the Cd is just shit. Even Zimmy said as much

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DogFacedBoy | 12 August 2011 - 4:25pm

Me too

I got rid of a lot of vinyl in my youth, now I'm trying to replace and rebuild
too.
Fopp sells some new stuff, some of it around the £20 mark, some of it MUCH cheaper. I got Midlake's Trials of Van Occupanther for a measly fiver. Well worth that!

Believe it or not, HMV have the odd vinyl bargain. I don't think that a tenner is too much to pay for the Fleet Foxes first elpee (some may disagree!!).

Transgressive records put out some rally high quality vinyl. Bought Johnny Flynn's two records in the last year after having them on MP3 from itunes. Beautiful packaging and heavyweight vinyl. Things of beauty!

If you venture to Stirling, there's a fab shop for trawling for gems Just off the High Street in the direction of the train station.. I spent £60 in there a couple of months ago and came out with about 15 records, one of which was DSOTM with poster and stickers.

I've found that there's a lot of fun to be had in rebuilding the collection.

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kev147 | 12 August 2011 - 4:24pm

Fopp prices are rip off level

I'd go via Amazon with new releases (PJ Harvey for one) being around the 11\12 quid mark. Diverse Vinyl are reasonable too.

Although for US releases you might as well go on US Ebay and get em sent over. Works out cheaper even with shipping and rarely gets nabbed by customs.

Oh and beware of pirated vinyl. Camden is awash with the stuff. Blur's Parklife for a tenner? Yes its been ripped off the CD. Nick Drake 'Pink Moon' on pink vuiyl? That too.

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DogFacedBoy | 12 August 2011 - 4:31pm

Give

Astral Weeks a miss at £20 - buy a decent Van Morrison album instead.

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Excitable Boy | 12 August 2011 - 5:15pm

I recently bought a second hand copy of Tupelo Honey

and it contains a large wall poster of Van. I don't remember seeing it on any bedroom walls back in the day.

The album sounds great, by the way

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Nick Duvet | 14 August 2011 - 3:44am

One of the joys and frustrations of vinyl

Is that different pressings sound different to everyone.

I have a few recent audiophile reissues and none of them sounds as good as an original or early pressing to me. And that includes the Metal Box on 4 Men With Beards and the Sundazed mono Dylans... I would go with the advice already given to get as early a pressing as you can find from the country where the recording was made.

As for records that must be heard on vinyl, I would suggest Raw Power. Every CD I have heard sounds terrible.

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fat bob | 12 August 2011 - 6:20pm

Metal Box

That's my experience of the 4MWB version of Metal Box too. I've seen claims on a couple of messageboards that it was remastered from CD, but either way, I agree that it's not a patch on the original.

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Fraser Lewry | 12 August 2011 - 6:24pm

wow!!

I'm shocked. I got my copy shipped from the US on release, i have two original tins and two original "second editions" and i thought the new one kicked big bum!
It's not remastered from CD. See the "fodderstompf" fan-site for details.
Regardless of our aural subjectivity, at least the re-issue tin will stay silver. I have one that is almost black. Of course this is part of the appeal. (i'm digging a hole for myself here)
Unfortunately only "Second Edition" was released in Japan.
4MWB box sells for more than the original, so sell yr re-issue and get an original (if you need one), or a weekend break!!

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drilltime | 12 August 2011 - 6:32pm

But this is what's great...

That we all hear different things on vinyl, something that doesn't happen with CD or digital.

To my ears the 4MWB Metal Box sounds like it was mastered from a digital source (not least because the fade on Swan Lake is the same as the CD) but not necessarily from a CD.

You're right about the tin not rusting though!

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fat bob | 12 August 2011 - 6:46pm

Re:

Raw Power.
The Music on Vinyl double LP with the book and both mixes works for me. Every CD sounded like shit, but so does the original vinyl.The first pressing of the Iggy mix was good-ish.
I have a german edition from the eighties that sounds like mud and shit mixed together.

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drilltime | 12 August 2011 - 6:37pm

UK original pressing

Is my favourite. It has a different mix with more bass. Haven't tried the Music on Vinyl. But the Iggy mix CD hurt my ears!

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fat bob | 12 August 2011 - 6:50pm

I think

my original was somewhat "used".
I do have another nice original mix from the late nineties. That has the bass you refer to.
We should be institutionalised!!

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drilltime | 12 August 2011 - 6:53pm

You're right

I've just put the 4MWB Metal Box on...

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fat bob | 12 August 2011 - 7:22pm

3?

Obvious as usual but because of what they mean to me

Monkees "Headquarter"
Ian Dury etc. "New Boots and Panties"
Elton John "Captain Fantastic etc"

I know every crackle, hiss and jump. Lovely

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Dave Amitri | 12 August 2011 - 9:01pm

See if you can find a continental european,

as opposed to British, release of New Boots And Panties!!.

I bought mine in Venice, and it has 'Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll' tacked on as track 1, side 2, in addition to the tracks on the UK issue.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 13 August 2011 - 8:38am

a nerd writes

a select number of the original UK pressing (not listed on art or label) and all of the second pressing in 78 has S&D&R&R on it too.

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DogFacedBoy | 13 August 2011 - 11:48am

Does that include the

gold(!) vinyl edition?

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drilltime | 13 August 2011 - 12:00pm

nerdish detail alert

Despite having grabbed it in Venice, it looks like my 'Italian' copy is in fact one of those select UK first pressing copies; there's a red inked import stamp over the catalogue number on the labels on both sides, but nothing else to indicate that it's anything other than a regular UK Stiff release; I'd never really looked that closely before, just assumed it was a licenced copy because I bought it overseas.

Interestingly (anorak moment) it has the track listed on the sleeve as 'Sex & Drug & Rock & Roll'; it's not clear which singular drug it means. It's got a black & white photo montage inner sleeve, and the track is listed correctly as 'Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll' on the Side 2 label.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 13 August 2011 - 3:16pm

I got a lovely

Spanish 7" of "Reasons.." in Barcelona last week. Great cover. Along with a nice single LP version of "English Settlement" with five tracks ommitted and Spanish pressings of "The Queen is Dead", "Rank", "Sons and Fascination", "Main Course" and "Welcome to the Pleasuredome" with all the sleevenotes in Castillian!!!
RESULT!!

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drilltime | 13 August 2011 - 3:19pm
DogFacedBoy | 13 August 2011 - 7:34pm

Holy Anoraks, Batman!

Yet another quick scrutiny of my copy of NB&P reveals "Printed and made in Italy" in microscopic print bottom left on the back cover. So it is an Italian copy after all, and I must have bought it in 1978, not 1977 as I'd thought.

Oddly, the Discogs page makes no mention of the incorrect spelling of the S&D&R&R track listing on the sleeve. Don't ask me what the matrix numbers are, though, I have to draw the line somewhere!

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Vulpes Vulpes | 14 August 2011 - 1:06pm

Even Discogs make mistakes.

Count yourselves lucky your not looking for 12" remixes only identifiable by matrix number variations.

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drilltime | 14 August 2011 - 1:18pm

As usual

the answer is As Usual and as usual, again, it's Station to Station.

The other one is Horses by Patti Smith

And agree, with comments further up-thread about Tapestry. Indeed, I'd say singer-songwriter albums of the 70s in general. Something to do with the mellow vibe and the ritual attached to playing a vinyl LP.

Agree too about the Reggae only sounds right on vinyl - a comment that applies to Soul too. And Laura Nyro

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Sheev | 12 August 2011 - 10:10pm

Totally with you

regarding "Station to Station". Haven't heard the one from the sexy box, because i don't have the sexy box! A mate has though. That surround mix was interesting, but made the whole experience a little too "warm" for me.
My original "Low" sounds great too.

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drilltime | 13 August 2011 - 11:59am

Judging by the pics of James Taylor

et al from that era, the turntable should be kept on the (wooden) floor-at the ambient temperature of Laurel Canyon ...haven't quite managed to replicate this fully yet ;-)

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SpaceBoy | 17 August 2011 - 6:12am

Nic Jones

Mrs T gave me "Penguin Eggs" on lovely heavy vinyl for my birthday back in March. It is lovely.

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Twangothan | 13 August 2011 - 1:25pm

Definitely don't get...

... Aladdin Sane... my vinyl copy (from the early 80's) was the tinniest sounding record I've ever heard.

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Formbyman | 13 August 2011 - 1:31pm

RCA

Did not give a flying one for catalogue. They even put it out sans gatefold. Scum, subhuman scum.

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drilltime | 13 August 2011 - 3:20pm

anything on ECM

if you like that sort of jazz

or blue note
or cti

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Junior Wells | 13 August 2011 - 3:43pm

as requested:

Three that sound better on vinyl:

The Yes Album
The Hissing of Summer Lawns
Electric Ladyland

I have original pressings of each and they have a presence the CD versions can't match.

Also Robbie, since I went through the same exercise a few months ago, here are some other recommendations from the Word Massive

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/your-vinyl-recommendations-please

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Nick Duvet | 13 August 2011 - 5:58pm

2 out of 3 ain't bad

although it's a no to Yes for me ( but then as you know I have no truck with all that blithering Prog nonsense) -

but notwithstanding - "notwithstanding" ooh get me coming over all lawyer like - er, anyway, where was I - oh yes - notwithstanding my thinnish whitish Ducal comments above - perhaps we can reach consensus around...

Blood on the Tracks?

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Sheev | 13 August 2011 - 6:45pm

OK then..

actually I haven't got BOTT yet, since my vinyl rebirth. It's certainly a favourite of mine though.

Yes? yes, they could certainly blither, but TYA rocks. The bass on the vinyl version is shelf-wobblingly good.

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Nick Duvet | 13 August 2011 - 7:04pm

BOTT

Half Speed Mastered Audiophile Pressing

No you can't have mine!

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DogFacedBoy | 13 August 2011 - 7:42pm

I dont have a record player

and would love one but having just spent a fortune (and I mean a fortune) on bespoke cd shelving and bookcases/computer desk it might be asking a bit too much to persuade the FPO that I really need a record player as well.
I remember however that Ry Cooders Into the Purple Valley and Chicken DSkin Music sound better on vinyl than my cd versions do - by some distance.

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Steve Turner | 14 August 2011 - 8:24pm

Indeed.

*salivates at mere mention of old Reprise pressings*

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Vulpes Vulpes | 15 August 2011 - 7:54am

Indeedy

And the live one, which I played only yesterday! Sounds fab. It may have strayed onto a digital rip....

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Twangothan | 15 August 2011 - 12:54pm

Vinyl v's CD or MP3

Three years ago I dug out my old Thorens turntable, put it on e-bay and got £35 for it. I put that towards a new Rega and hav'nt looked back. I've bought around a thousand vinyl albums since then, at auctions and from e-bay and record shops. Originaly to fill the gaps in my old collection from 40 years ago. It's not just the sound but the whole experience of putting a vinyl record onto the record player, looking at the artwork, reading the back-cover, even the smell of a forty year old record goes towards the whole ambience and experience. I love it!

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nunheadlane | 16 August 2011 - 2:55pm

For nice writing on

the ritual of vinyl see Michael Bywater's book "Lost Worlds: What have we lost and where did it go", (go to
amazon.co.uk and do a "search inside" for"LP"-pages 166-7 and also
"Texture"-pages 235-236). Liked his simple concise summation "the computer makes everything retrievable, but it doesn't retrieve everything".

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SpaceBoy | 17 August 2011 - 6:05am

you are not alone, my friend

but my wife would certainly be having a stern word with me if I had a thousand of the buggers cluttering up the house. You're a lucky person.

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Nick Duvet | 16 August 2011 - 11:37pm

One problemmette with some Jazz

reissues is question of exactly what a "faithful" LP copy would actually be. In particular master tape of Kind of Blue is famously a tad slow, while there are serious phase issues on Art Pepper Meets ...

I have both on recent vinyl but if I want accuracy rather than texture I listen to the CDs. And try not to get too worried about it all ...

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SpaceBoy | 17 August 2011 - 7:08am

Depends on what you're into

Depends on what you're into of course, but my copy of Serge Gainsbourg's *Histoire de Melody Nelson* sounds all the better for the fact that I don't own it digitally or on CD. It's also, at just 28 minutes long, a perfect record for a single sitting.

Apart from that, I second *Dark Side Of The Moon*. From the moment that heartbeat kicks in, it just sounds incredible.

If you want a third selection, I love Bob Dylan's *Highway 61 Revisited* on record. I think it's the mono sound but it just sounds so much warmer to my ears than the CD ever does.

All in all, yours sounds like a happy hunting ground. Enjoy the chase.

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KevinO | 17 August 2011 - 11:07pm

i think the super enhanced CDs of Dylan albums

released a few years ago surpass the vinyl in pretty much every instance

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Junior Wells | 17 August 2011 - 11:53pm

Agreed re Dylan, In particular

I'd be amazed if there's a vinyl issue of Street Legal that compares in accuracy to the SACD. But texture, as I say above, is a different thing. Most dramatic difference I've heard between vinyl and CD is fitst Suzanne Vega album. Clearly more accurate on CD-but you may like the vinyl sound. Anyway, can get to be a circular (no pun) discussion ...

Having heard DSOTM in 5 channel SACD when we had a setup available I'd also be curious about that-but Mobile Fidelity's LP issue was one of their best wasn't it ?

But I think some of us who like the smell of vinyl in the morning treat LPs as like after dinner cigars [*]-just a different taste, a different mix, part of the extraordinary range of sensations modern hifi has to offer---after all 320 kbps Spotify through an upscaling DAC also sounds pretty good when you are in the mood for it-and frequently (when using something like Britify) gives you a track you've never heard before.

And my Freeview telly into an amp and speakers, playing Petrushka sounded pretty damn good last night ...

And a glass of red never does any harm, a nice chair, my pipe [*] and slippers etc etc.[nods off, snores, drops Radio Times in its cover ...]

[* metaphorically speaking]

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SpaceBoy | 18 August 2011 - 8:41am
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