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(Early) Genesis

Randlepmcmurphy's picture

I've been listening a lot to this band lately and am surprised how good they were. Being in my late forties i was just the right age when punk happened and that consumed my listening ears for many years, and after that i just kind of drifted into many genres including folk, Rock etc and prog kinda passed me by. I took a chance the other day and purchased a few of the early titles (Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Lamb lies down, Selling England), and i am a total convert.The strange thing is i've got no time for Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins but as a band they are totally brilliant. Any body else get a warm glow when they listen to 'The Battle Of Epping Forest' or am i a party of one.

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Not round here you're not!

I think you'll have lots of company

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tkdmart | 25 September 2009 - 7:18pm

Welcome Back My Friends

Oops wrong band. Being a bit older they were my favourite band (along with Yes and Pavlov's Dog) from Selling England until post-Duke. You'll almost certainly like Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering too, and going back, Trespass.

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Neil Jung | 25 September 2009 - 7:30pm

I agree

'Trick of the Tail' &'Wind and Wuthering' both fantastic. It's them and 'Selling England' for me.

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lisbon | 26 September 2009 - 7:57am

Bargepole agrees

trespass is a must, and the collins era trick of the tail and wind and wuthering are well worth a listen. their output goes a bit patchy thereafter.

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bargepole | 26 September 2009 - 8:48am

I love Genesis

I like just about all of their work and have bought all of the reissues with the DVDs and surround sound 5.1 mixes which I csn recommend for the DVD extras alone.

My personal favourite album is Trick of the Tail and from the 1980s the self titled Genesis album - marvellous stuff.

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Uncle Wheaty | 25 September 2009 - 7:52pm

I was 16 when Invisible Touch came out...

and worked my way back after hearing them live at Wembley Stadium on Radio 1 (particularly the In The Cage/In That Quiet Earth/Afterglow medley - I didn't realise anything could sound like that!).

I have great affection for the jacket sleeves rolled up years, but it's the early albums that I listen to all the time now, flutes, facepaint and a none more English mixture of whimsy and histrionics. And I have more bootlegs than I can shake a double necked twelve string/bass guitar at.

Only today I learned that "progressive rock supergroup" Transatlatic are back with a new album in October, featuring a cover of Return of the Giant Hogweed, and it made my week.

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simonperrins | 25 September 2009 - 7:59pm

When Punk came and scoured the Earth ...

... many of us went into hiding, biding our time for when this music would once again rise up to take its rightful place in the pantheon of English music!

er ...I've had a glass of wine ...

or three.

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Steerpike | 25 September 2009 - 9:49pm

Genesis Live

The first live LP. I'm on that I am. Well cheering in the audience at Manchester's Free Trade Hall.

You will be ready for this then...

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Beany | 25 September 2009 - 11:06pm
poolhallrichard | 26 September 2009 - 9:43am

Moi?

Non! I was too busy keeping quiet with my trusty diddy cassette recorder on my lap...

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Beany | 26 September 2009 - 10:06am

I was 16 in 1989

and I hate 80s Genesis (apart from The Last Domino, natch).

Love Gabriel's 70's/80s solo stuff, and adore Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme. Can't get into The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway - I know it's just me, but it seems so... stodgy. Indigestible.

Get 'Em Out By Friday and Supper's Ready are the business, though. Like many an 80s kid I got into Marillion first then learned where they got it from.

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Auntie Beryl | 26 September 2009 - 2:23am

I love prime period Genesis too

I have all the Gabriel era studio albums in their original mixes on vinyl (all bought very cheap used) and the Peter Gabriel years boxed set with the dvds and the first volume of Archives on cd.

I can get into most of the stuff from Tail through Duke except And Then There Were Three which I think is mostly weak. I only like The Lady Lies and Many Too Many off it. The early 80's is where it ends for me, from the 1981 onward period I only like Me and Sarah Jane off Abacab which I think was the last gasp of Genesis' prog sound. The tries at prog on subsequent albums sound bland and lifeless to me.

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TheAwesomeSound | 26 September 2009 - 4:42am

What is this track?

It's very early, released as a single in NZ in about 1969, has gentle rhythmic piano chords, I've had it in my head that long although strangely I was never a fan. Did see them live in 73 in the white sheet period.

Anyway if anyone can suggest what the song I'm remembering is I'd appreciate it

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Mousey | 26 September 2009 - 8:08am

That be

The Silent Sun prob. On their first LP From Genesis To Revelation on the Decca label. That's the band before Collins & Hackett joined and when they were discovered by Jonathan King.

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Beany | 26 September 2009 - 10:11am

Cracking little album.

Always seemed to me to have a similarly light touch and the same rich melodicism as the Joseph album (as in Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat), which remains Rice & Lloyd Webber's finest moment. Stop sniggering at the back there, sir, or I'll have you back for detention.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 26 September 2009 - 1:23pm

Foxtrot

is my favourite, although they are all good. Battle Of Epping and For Absent Friends are the only tracks that I can't be doing with. I think the Lamb is the apex of Peter Gabriel, who as a solo artist, apart from the Passion soundtrack, I find extremely dull and po-faced, unfortunatley. The thing is, I rarely play them these days. If I want to wave my codpiece or levitate, I tend to go for Yes, Caravan or Soft Machine.

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RobertC | 26 September 2009 - 8:33am

They were the band

that really got me submerged in music. As a consequence, I love them utterly, uncritically and unconditionally in all their manifestations, as the groaning weight of about 500 bootlegs on my shelves will testify. Sad really, but there it is.

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Molesworth | 26 September 2009 - 8:54am

It's the length of things

I find untenable about prog. A lovely little melody, a funky interlude - and just as you're thinking this is good - they're off into some endless noodlesome nonsense or wiggly wizardry.

That's why my favourite Genesis track is "More Fool Me" which is just a lovely little song.

And short.

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Sheev | 26 September 2009 - 9:54am
MrRadio | 26 September 2009 - 10:33am

Yes, that's a corker.

They didn't go to tilt immediately after Gabriel left, by any means. Sometimes I think the loss of Hackett was more wounding.

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Auntie Beryl | 26 September 2009 - 7:54pm

dogs doodahs

Ripples is a fave of mine too

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andrewdavidlong | 28 September 2009 - 12:56pm

You should also try Seconds Out

I am more of a fan of Gabriel-era Genesis, but when PG left, no-one (at least not in the music press) thought Genesis could survive. It was akin to Jagger leaving the Stones, or Bob Marley leaving the Wailers. However, carry on they did, and until Phil suggested to the others in the early 80s that they should "sell out" (his words not mine) they continued in the fine tradition of the PG period.

Anyway, my favourite Genesis album happens to be Seconds Out, a live album recorded (I think) on the first tour they did after Gabriel's departure. Featuring some "new" tracks from the excellent Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering, the versions of the "old" stuff are also outstanding, and far better in my view than the original studio versions. The versions of Suppers Ready, Cinema Show and Firth of Fifth are just outstanding. And the next time you hear someone have a go at Phil Collins, play them Dance on a Volcano/Los Endos. At the age of 13 in 1977, I truly believed that this was the most exciting record I had ever heard, and it remains a firm favourite to this day.

So there! I'll get me anorak.....

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Dan E Steel | 26 September 2009 - 3:11pm

couldn't agree more

Seconds Out is brilliant - has those Trick of the tail tracks on there plus the old Gabriel favourites - Seconds out etc

My favourite period of Genesis was from Trick of the Tail - probably up to and including Duke after which they produced pop records which the masses maybe loved but real fans hated. Martin I was 15 in 1977 and was totally bowled over by the trick of the tail single that I went out and boughtt the LP with its fantastic artwork......

I never was a Wind and Wuthering fan - though

Even And then there were 3 had its moment - thought the crescendo and guitar solo on burning rope was impressive.

I'm going off to play them on my ipod now......

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andrewdavidlong | 28 September 2009 - 12:50pm

I think

my obsession/addiction to early Genesis is well documented here.
That opening blast of Mellotron at the start of Watcher of the Skies from Genesis Live was my life changing moment in rock. I stuck with them through TotT and WaW even on to 3, but it just wasn't the same. For some odd reason I rather like Duke but Abacab was where I really decided to bail. They haven't done anything for me since Duke. I'm no big PG fan but albums 1,3 and Passion are very, very good. I even have a few Steve Hacket albums and although not quite right I feel he has more of the Genesis 'vibe' about him. Shame that PC may not be able to drum anymore, it was the thing he was best at along with backing vocals. ;D
Ach well, the VdGG are still going (very) strong! :D

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James Blast | 26 September 2009 - 9:54pm

Abacab is Abagofshite

It's a horrible, horrible record. Okay, so Keep it Dark is quirky, Like it or Not is a good'un', but what, in the Lord's name, were they thinking when they recorded Who Dunnit? It is quite possibly the worst song ever recorded by any band ever. That song taints their entire output. Agree about Seconds Out though. That is their peak. But didn't grumpy old Tony Banks say that Steve Hackett's guitar parts were all mixed out of the album in retaliation for him going solo?

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Martin | 26 September 2009 - 11:14pm

Genepish

I just made that up, not bad after 2 bottles of red, I think

fears looking at this thread tomorrow morning

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James Blast | 26 September 2009 - 11:42pm

something to be ashamed of

Abagofshibe that is

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andrewdavidlong | 28 September 2009 - 12:51pm

Oh, and this aint bad either

From around the Ripples era I think. Great vocal from PC.


Can anyone recommend any Anthony Philips acoustic albums?

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Martin | 26 September 2009 - 11:08pm

More Genesis than Genesis

thanks Martin

shame it got screwed at the end with the pic of his replacement, I must check out more of Ant's work thankee!

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James Blast | 27 September 2009 - 12:00am

Ant

I can only really recommend The Geese And The Ghost of his acoustic albums, but Sides (a band album) is excellent and isn't far from Wind & Wuthering and 1984 is very good if you like rousing synthesisers. Sadly none of his stuff is on Spotify.

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Neil Jung | 28 September 2009 - 11:13am

Ant Philips

The Geese and the Ghost is wonderful. I've never liked Sides much personally, although it often pops up as a 'key' recording. Aside from TGAG, the 'live' albums Radio Clyde 1978 and Living Room Concert are excellent career summaries - and not really live at all - he suffers from stage fright I believe - they're recorded live in the studio. The Archive Collection Vol 1 is great - I must find time to check out the other volumes one day.

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Occam | 28 September 2009 - 11:23am

Agree re Archive 1

From memory, it contains a few bits from Genesis days, demos with Mike Rutherford from 1969.

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Molesworth | 28 September 2009 - 11:37am

That's right

It has a demo called 'F sharp' which is basically the musical underpinnings of The Musical Box, plus lots of demos from Geese and Ghost - that must be why I bought it!

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Occam | 28 September 2009 - 11:47am
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