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Dub. Please help.
Posted by Specs_Beard on 18 December 2009 - 12:19am.
Where do I start?
I only know that I've recently fallen in love with a fair bit of bass-heavy music (dubstep in particular, but also some electronica and funk) - but I only have a very rudimentary knowledge of, say, reggae and ska.
I understand that I am very likely to become equally besotted with dub but have no idea what to buy or seek out. For example: if you go to a decent HMV, say, and look under someone like King Tubby - well, you know, what the hell do you buy?
Since this is a whole genre we're talking about, I don't even think something like Spotify can help me. But I'm sure the Massive can...? Grateful for any guidance at all!
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Easy
'King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown'
Lee Scratch Perry 'Super Ape'
Prince Far I 'Cry Tuff Dub Encounter 1'
Dub Syndicate 'Pounding System'
African Headcharge 'Environmental Studies'
...should get you started.
A few of my faves
Burning Spear - Marcus Garvey / Garvey's Ghost - the dub version of a great album, with the album
Trojan Dub Box Set
Lee "scratch" Perry - Arkology (not all dub, but some belters there)
Flashing Echo - a Trojan compilation.
And what Joe Muggs said.
Some of these are on Spotify
Garvey's Ghost : http://open.spotify.com/album/2t1i7zDaWL22M6LGG2qoB0
Trojan Dub Box : http://open.spotify.com/album/7H2aBA3vmGcP7SO2YEQmPs
And a selection of my faves too...
Augustus Pablo - Original Rockers Vol.1
Culture - Culture In Dub
Creation Rebel - Starship Africa
Keith Hudson - Pick A Dub
Linton Kwesi Johnson - LKJ in Dub
Ossie All Stars - Leggo Dub
Wackies - African Roots Act 1
There are a whole host of compilations around, most of them cheap, and most of them pretty sound - a good way to get a flavour of various styles.
Trojan, Blood & Fire, On-U Sound, Ariwa, Soul Jazz are all labels worth investigating.
I'm really jealous of you just beginning to explore the Dubosphere - so many treasures to discover - Fill Yer Boots!
The older I get, the more dub I listen to...
... and the more wonderful it gets.
the album that really set me off on the dub journey was...
King Tubby & Friends: "The Evolution of Dub at King Tubby's" (Blood & Fire"
Recently I've been tucking into the following:
Jimmy Radway and the Fe Me Time All-Stars: "Dub I" (quite brilliant)
Tommy McCook & the Agrovators: "King Tubby Meets the Agrovators at Dub Station"
The Skatalites: "The Legendary Skatalites in Dub"
Harry Mudie: "Meet King Tubby in Dub Conference Vol. 1" (tricky to find, but worth it)
Linval Thompson - "Negrea Love Dub"
Augustus Pablo: "El Rocker's"
King Tubby Meets Roots Radics: "Dangerous Dub"
The Revolutionaries: "Revolutionary Sounds" (the one with the Che Guevara cover)
Tommy McCook & the Supersonics: "Pleasure Dub"
Has anybody mentioned Joe Gibbs' "African Dub chapter 3" yet? No? Oh, well, that's an essential purchase.
The same goes for some of Blood & Fire's early releases, like...
Glen Brown & King tubby: "Termination Dub"
King Tubby & Soul Syndicate: "Freedom Sounds in Dub"
I can never understand it when people say that they find dub boring. I can - and do - listen to it for hours on end.
For more inspiration, I can really recommend this long and endlessly inspiring thread on the "Roots Archives" forum entitled "Favourite Dub album". There are 457 contributions, and some of the members there really know their dub stuff...
http://www.roots-archives.com/forum/read.php?2,9837
Happy hunting...
A cheaper than cheap...
...classic from the '80s, try the Sly & Robbie Reggae Greats CD. It's a single dub set, and is brilliant. £2.98 from Amazon.
Forget the iPod...
you need to listen to dub through one of these:
you can't go wrong with this as a place to start
http://open.spotify.com/album/0xQdPzVXPf6DqoFLMZvSvV
Not quite Dub in the purest sense...
... but Lee Scratch Perry's masterpiece is The Heart Of The Congos by The Congos. Once you have perused the brilliant Super Ape and King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown, go for that.
for lee perry dub
roast fish and corn bread should be on the menu
If you like Dubstep
I would definitely second a recommendation for African Headcharge. Some of the smokiest records ever made -- they sound like they were recorded in a swamp.
I'd also check out Trojan Dub Massive Chapters One and Two, which are gems from the Trojan back catalogue 're-dubbed' by Bill Laswell. The results are insanely deep and heavy.
I'm listening to it now, in fact, and the floor is shaking, my chest-plate is vibrating, my eyeballs are quivering gently in their sockets.
By the way, again inspired by your liking of Dubstep, have you checked out Dubstep's other main inspiration, Berlin Dub Techno? Basic Channel and Chain Reaction are the two labels to go for there. There are two essential Basic Channel collections, BCD 1 and 2, but I'd be happy to do you a comp if you wanted a general genre overview.
Hello - and thanks...
...for the offer of a comp - that's kind.
However! In this case, no need - am already nuts about the Berlin stuff.
I stumbled across it in my usual haphazard way: listening to some world and techno titles on the Honest Jons label, then finding the Moritz von Oswald Trio album, AND then coming across the Basic Channel material from there. Absolutely amazing stuff.
That's quite all right
I'm glad you're already hooked up. I'm currently shivering to the deep, chilly bass of Intrusion...
Can I add some names to the 'chilly bass' list?
Pole - get the recent compilation of his first three albums '1', '2' and - yes - '3'.
Echospace/Deepchord - don't know if they have an album but they have some of the LUSHEST layers of chords and reverb, bordering on the shoegazey...
talking of which
Blue Daisy - really young lad from Camden who really mines the shoegaze/dubstep/dub crossover
Sigha - lovely stuff on Scuba's Hot Flush label
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Intrusion is on Echospace. And this, from last year, is the nuts.
Yes yes dear god yes!
That is the most stunning album!
Nospheratu
Echospace/Pulshar - 11 minutes or so of handome chillydubstepificantionosity
http://open.spotify.com/track/6bTjGxZho4XBYWPCpWMqiX
All of the above
...and "I wah dub" by Blackbeard, aka Dennis Bovell - great UK dub.
Black Uhuru
I'm a big fan of dub (and roots) and agree with a lot of the above. Especially the Trojan box set. But for me one of the real masterpieces of dub is The Dub Factor by Black Uhuru. I find it stunning. (Far better than any other B U album).
Trojan
The series of box sets have been mentioned already, and I'll back those up. The dub volumes are superb (and should be available at quite cheap prices), but all the Trojan boxes are worth getting for a pretty good selection of the history of reggae. Put it this way, if you like the dub sets you'll like these too, even the older stuff.
Meanwhile my personal faves are Augustus Pablo and the selection mentioned in the first post on this thread. You really can't go wrong with those.
Also, go to Google and type " dub trojan blogspot" - you may find some blogs of interest to you for a sample or two...
Trojan
Another vote for the Trojan box sets. They are pretty cheap on Amazon at the moment. This one in particular I like a lot:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trojan-Dub-Box-Various-Artists/dp/B00000I3KB
Ring the Alarm
Can be found on the superb "Furry Selection" compilation that I've banged on about in other threads before. Also worth investigating "Jonny Greenwood Is The Controller". Both are very dub heavy introductions to dub and bass-reggae.
Would just like to say thanks, everyone
Difficult for me to access the blog at work, so stunned this evening by the number of replies and suggestions. And keep them coming, by all means!
There go my Christmas vouchers...
dub or....
dj?
Dubwise, the massive have already got you in the right place (and much as Mick Hucknall may provide us all with some amusement, his Blood and Fire label is surely the definition of of 'guaranteed quality') - but I would add anything involving Joe Gibbs ("No bones for the Dogs" is a great comp., and dub effects-wise, the African Dub series - particularly Chapter 3, will take some of us old punks straight back to 1977/8).
But Dub of course can you lead you into the wonderful universe of Jamaican DJs. And I'd start with I Roys "Truths and Rights" and U Roys "Dread in a Babylon" - two sides of the same coin and for me, absolutely timeless.
Combine dub and dj ? - Linton Kwesi Johnson's Island comp. Independent Intavenshan featuring the magnificent Dennis Bovell band dubwise versions is a winner.
As someone above said - you are so lucky to be starting on this......
Cor..
I know nothing of dub. So I thought I should dip my toe in the water and engaged the magic of Sonos. Come in King Tubby..
Cor and golly gosh.
I've been sitting here nodding happily for an hour or so. This is great. I'm 43. I listen to lots of music. I love my ska and bluebeat. Why has dub passed me by thus far?
One thing I do now realise. An occasional visitor to Old Portsmouth, on his boat, is a fascinating musician chap called Larry Sevitt. He worked with a lot of the Jamaican pioneers and has a writing and production credit on Dillinger's Cocaine In Me Brain. He would always moan at me that my stereo system wasn't set up to handle proper bass; in his eyes, bass was the foundation of everything musical. I couldn't really see his point. Listening to King Tubby, I now can.
Time to get some serious 18" woofers. Embedded in concrete. Will the FPO go for it, I wonder?
The massive
Recently enabled me to track down Sir Coxsone who has a truly fantastic double album on Spotify including the quite awesome Zion Bound. This isn't that track but it is a great documentary clip
For all the slagging off he gets
Hats off to Mick Hucknall for his "Blood & Fire" label and reissuing lost dub & reggae treasures.
Linton Kwesi Johnson - "LKJ In Dub" is a great British dub album.
And this looks like a great app for the iPhone:
Step up selectah!!!
Sorry to self-hype again
but do have a look at http://veryverymuch.com - both Tony Thorpe and Rob Gordon have interesting things to say on the subject of dub and particularly dub soundsystems on there... I particularly like it when Gordon compares Channel 1 80s releases to Kate Bush and Pink Floyd! There's tons more from the Thorpe interview to come in a future update, wherein he talks about working with Mad Professor in the 80s etc.
Dubstep - just in case
As there is such a large quantity of dubstep out there, I shall just raise the heads of the following another time for you, specs_beard, in case you've missed them.
Benga - unlikely you've missed him - man's a legend
Boxcutter - dub heavy electronic album "Glyphic" worth a listen
The Bug - dancehall / dubstep mix on "London Zoo" album
D1 - producer not done an album, but EP's "Trial Run" and "V3" are superb
Distance - both albums are highlights of dubstep for me, full of chilly malice
Dov - "Earth Bleed" EP has some nasty bass, again a bit electronic
King Cannibal - new artist, his album came out this year, full of very dark bass
Kode9 & The Spaceape - vocalist for Burial track of same name recites his own unique poetry over abstract beats
MRK1 - "I Got Too" with dancehall rapper Sizzla is a highlight
Skream - the chavvier end of Dubstep, as shown by his La Roux remix
Jazzsteppa - nice mix of dubstep, dancehall, but with jazz and brass over the top - like Hypnotic Brass Ensemble remixed by Benga - also good remixers - check out this version of the Kills' "URA Fever". Fantastic.
Most important of all,
if you want your dubstep heavy on the dub, is RSD, aka Rob Smith of unsung Bristol bass heroes Smith & Mighty...
I would recommend this album to ANYONE who ever enjoyed dub reggae. http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=228016
Joe Gibbs' Africa Dub series
You could do worse than start there.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51srX5xxkPL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
Jonny Greenwood's
collection, Jonny Greenwood is The Controller is good too