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Drinking at gigs
Posted by Jamie_Bowman on 15 October 2009 - 4:09pm.
I know people have been fairly vocal on this topic in the past and with the news below that our local enormodome is under pressure from the council to ban drinking at gigs I thought I'd write a piece on the issue for the local rag.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2009/10/15/coun...
Be great to get some regular gig goers opinions on this.
Strange that they used a Leornard Cohen gig as the example - even stranger when you see the other councillor's response!
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An altercation in row G25
"I don't cur what you think you 'aired 'im sing (slap), yer soft bastard (punch)! It's not 'Baird On The Wire' (punch); it's 'Baird On A Wire' - the indefinite (kick) fucken (stamp) article!"
Or...
"You fahkin' slaaag, 'e rote 'Suzanne' abaht me!"
God forbid
anyone in this country should have to endure a night out without alcohol.
in the nuts...
i witnessed a punch-up at a kid creole and the coconuts gig, in a jazz club, between two tables, fighting over some seating... who were all drunk to the gills.
i only went to the gig because i'd bought tickets for the blue nile, who'd pulled out at the last minute and were replaced by the kid....
someone "accidentally" stubbed a cigarette out on my hand later, because we were in their view, and then the fire alarm went off, and everyone got kicked out into the street...
i gave up and went home.
this would never have happened at a blue nile concert.
Having endured
regular beer drenchings from half filled plastic cups launched across the crowd by neanderthal Oasis "fans" at Wembley Stadium I might go along with this. Can we not just insist on proof of I.Q. as well as age? I'm sure that would solve the problem.
its the nanny state again
I'm afraid its yet another example of the nanny state mentality of these champagne socialist nitwits who currently run our country, where the default position is to pass laws that penalise the majority in order to control a problem created by a minority - ie idiots who can't hold their booze and can't enjoy anything (sport, music) without being a pain in the ass to the rest of us.
I've been to some seriously boozed up gigs (Oasis this year). Sometimes I've needed a drink to get through the gig (Marillion last year). Other times I've being smashed out of my box as part of the whole day out (Primal Scream Brixton 2006, The Who Hyde Park 2006). Other times I've got a bit merry and boisterous, singing along, that sort of thing (almost every other gig I've been to for 25 years). But I've never hassled anyone or started any bother.
Unfortunately, not everyone can control themselves. But prohibition at rock gigs is not the answer. We need to tell that to these social do gooders who cluck and fuss and interfere in people's lives.
Blimey
For a minute there I thought this was the Daily Mail blog ...
psssst
it's Littlejohn. *Taps nose
"But I've never hassled anyone"
How do you know? Because no-one has ever said anything to you? Well, perhaps people are a bit nervous about challenging someone who is "smashed out of his box".
If I went to a gig and found myself stuck next to someone who'd been drinking all day I wouldn't be very happy about that and I'm sure many others wouldn't either. So although you think you've never bothered anyone, the chances are that you have.
We're making for a very dull world
No, this brings out the twitchy adolescent in me. Where is the demand for for all this ? Are the The People Your Parents Warned You About suddenly hassling their elected politicos about being splattered by piss-bottles ?
Is there a sea-change here, with the once-libertarian disciples of Sex, Drugs and Rock N Roll suddenly gone all authoritarian, thinking that the other people's over-indulgence of the first two are getting in the way of their enjoyment of the third ?
Or is, just (ahem) The Man, getting in the way ?
I exaggerate, but only slightly. We all have our horror stories : T In The Park seems to have more than its share. But who wants gigs to be like that the Wham ! gag in China in the 80s, with a placid, regimented audience ?
Other People at live shows is an given. It is not any better on the other side. I was at the Royal Opera behind someone who let his phone ring FOREVER. I note that oldsters at classical gigs do wait until the quiet movement before slowly unwrapping the cellophane-wrapped Werthers Originals.
There is movement growing, epitomised this week by Frank Skinner's article in The Times. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/frank_skinner/articl....
But we are not all all alcoholics or arseholes, at least not all the time, but the assumption from some (like supposedly all of Skinner's Have Your say crowd) is that we are. It is increasingly rearguard action to stop us being treated as such.
Couldn't agree more.
"Penalise the majority in order to control a problem created by a minority" That about sums up everything doesn't it.
oh get off your moral high horse
I have never hassled anyone. I am what is known as a happy drunk even if I have a few too many. Don't bother coming to a Motorhead gig pal. Obviously it would be too much for your delicate disposition. My point is that banning alcohol is an excessive measure. People getting sensible about their drinking is the solution along with sensible security arrangements. But the state shouldn't impose draconian regulations on human behaviour. The country has had enough of that.
By the way, in answer to fortuneright above. I wouldnt wipe my arse on the Daily Mail.
I can sort of see what he's getting at
The first time I saw the re-formed Pixies at T in the Park in 2004 I was so excited I may have over-consumed the sponsors product and sang along so loudly and excitedly that, Goatgirl tells me, I was occasionally drowning out Frank Black. And Joey Santiago. And the drums. A small, but noticeable, circle began to open up around me.
I was terribly friendly and happy but completely pished and an inadvertant pain in the arse to everyone in my vicinity. If I'd been sober I'd have been tutting and glaring at me in a highly passive-aggressive manner.
I think your new pal may have met me.
Cripes
a libertarian Motorhead fan as I live and breathe. I'm intrigued that you insist people should be sensible about their boozing in this post, and yet abnegate those fine words in yr previous missive by boasting about being out of yr box at sundry gigs. Bit mutually exclusive, innit?
Alzo, being less-than-utterly conversant with the serried works of Mr Draco, I wonder if banning people from drinking at a public venue actually constitutes a Draconian act? After all, I'm banned from eating an aromatic takeaway curry at my local fleapit after a regrettable incident with a Chicken Phall - is that a Draconian restriction?
ps I think using 'pal' as a pejorative is frowned upon in these circles too, erm, Rocker43 old chap.
I was wolfing down the
Deuchers before Laughing Lens' Edinburgh gig. I could rarely be bothered to queue for beer at any gig costing more than around 25 notes. That's because it takes ages to get served. the best gigs I've attended have usually involved alcohol. The more rock and roll the better in my book.
A fine article Jamie
Just returned from a guided tour of said Arena too. Never touched a drop o'drink either. Can't imagine much call for hospitality boxes if alcohol is not allowed. Non-starter but a point well made.
Sure there is something in the licensing law about controlling the sale of alcohol to those who have had too much so it is the responsibility of the venue. Can't see a council-owned venue being prosecuted by a council for not sticking to such laws though...
Van ' Laughing Boy' Morrison
has banned the consumption of alcohol at all his gigs these days. He gets the bar shut to make sure.
so let's see:
As Music fans we have to put up with:
Random booking fees
Being body searched by rude and belligerent security staff (you know like they do at Glyndebourne)
Put up with dreadful stinking toilets and shabby ill maintained venues.
Hang around while the "talent" deign to wander on 10 minutes before the last train.
And then we have listen to "New" songs
All this without a drink!
Not quite
Get drunk outside venue, arrive naked to skip body search and piss in plastic bottle to save moving from chosen spot and avoid smelly WCs. You wil now have means to interupt unwanted new songs.