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Do You Want To See A Picture Of A Dead Body On The Front Of A Newspaper?
Posted by Five-Centres on 21 October 2011 - 9:55am.
They've all got the Gadaffi corpse on the front today, with the Sun's crass, juvenile 'That's for Lockerbie' headline leading the pack in ghastliness.
I'm glad he's dead, but I don't want to see a picture of his bloodied and battered - and dead - body. I don't want to see pictures of any real-life dead body.
Do you?
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No
Unnecessary. I can read that he's dead.
Because it's Gaddafi, it doesn't bother
me at all.
Tasteless
Its GOTCHA ! all over again.
could only be the Sun.
It's not just The Sun
The Mail has gone crazy apeshit with the coverage, even extending it to a comparison of Gadaffi's demise with those of other'infamous dictators' (I'm sure there'll be a glossy souvenir pull-out at the weekend).
I just think it's disgusting that a Western-backed opposition which is supposedly overthrowing a regime of undoubted brutality can begin its own rise to power with such an act of barbarity. What price the new era of moderation and the application of law and justice?
Also, doesn't everyone have the right to dignity in death, regardless of their crimes? People may argue that Gadaffi didn't afford his victims that right, but surely the point is that whatever leadership/regime replaces him should be morally and humanistically superior? Weren't the people rebelling against this sort of conduct?
All this has left me very uneasy.
Easy to be
objective about it when it's not your country. I think there are plenty of figures throughout history who forfeited their right to a dignified death.
I don't think anyone
should be summarily executed.
If a death sentence is deemed necessary, then it should be conducted in a controlled, formal manner after a properly conducted trial. Anything less brings us down to the level of a baying, uncivilised mob.
And no, I don't need it plastered all over the media.
It was the same with the coverage of that poor mite in China who was run over and then ignored by passers-by.
Maybe we should
make sure that, when Paul Dacre finally pegs it, he receives the same coverage.
It bothers me that it's stirred up all this media bloodlust, at a point when self-awareness should possibly tel them that this is exactly the kind of behaviour that got them into the "if it bleeds it leads" mess they're in right now. It's enough to know he's dead. Fine. We know.
I don't mind the picture
But I wish he wasn't dead. I wanted a drawn-out trial in the Hague where something might (might) have come out about the truth of Lockerbie.
Nice idea
In reality it would have dragged on forever and got nowhere while the world is bored into indifference. I personally have no desire to see any dead body but maybe the world needed to see it so the Libyans can move on without the rumours that he's still around, coming back, etc. Harsh, but maybe fair in this case which he certainly never was.
No
I find it disrespectful to the dead, and the readers. Recently, on popular tabloid websites, I've seen the corpses of Quaddafi, Michael Jackson & some poor woman who died in a helicopter accident.
None of it is in the public interest, in my view.
And don't get me started on the endless, slow-mo, multi-angled footage of Dan Wheldon's fatal crash.
The pictures are disgusting
the video footage with him bleeding to death, pleading for his life being dragged by a bloodthirsty mob that Sky News keep showing are much better*
* Gervais style irony employed. Or maybe not, See, its easy.
Mong?
Nope. Horrible and unnecessary.
Yes clearly
and I have a feeling if that had happened with Bin laden that Fox News would have shown it on a loop tape for the rest of time.
It's a desperate race for ad revenue
and people love to see that stuff. I'm sure the papers would justify it by saying "he was a murdering dictator" etc etc. but they're also happy to show photos of Jo Yeate's flat or Meredith Kercher's bedroom, with the blood-stained duvet on the floor.
We don't need to see these things - personally I think it desensitizes people. I know Michael Jackson's dead, I don't need to see him naked with tubes in his arms. But it gets a few extra clicks on a website and drives advertising rates up. Feckin' depressing, but there we are.
I'm sickened by it all
Democracy would have been better served by putting him on trial not dragging him through the streets before (what looks suspicially like) summary execution, followed by this Victorian freakshow of front pages.
And if the NTC is going to be such a leap forward in leadership towards a stable democratic state, where are all the women?
Thing is after a trial
and probable death sentance would it just have descended into the brutal and sickening end of Saddam being barracked bnd insulted as the noose was put round his neck?
Wouldn't the end be the same either way?
Saddam Hussein
Nasty, nasty piece of work, & I think that thug is no loss to the world.
What I will say tho, he showed great courage & dignity in the way he faced the rope.
Far more dignity than those doing the hanging (& yes, far more dignity than he showed to those he massacred over the years)
Let's see.....
keep a load of people under the heel with a regime that utilises violence and fear to inculcate suspicion and political paralysis for 42 years, then fight to the last bullet against all common sense and then expect fair treatment when you're dragged whimpering from a storm drain by the very crowd you've just been spraying with 7.62 cal ammunition?
What did anyone expect would happen? Gentlemanly last requests? Slap up brekkers on execution day? Final fag in front of the firing squad? Get out of here, he was lucky they didn't stone him to death. He should have buggered off when he had the chance; we might have learned more from him while he pigged out and boozed by the pool in Kampala or wherever, before either succumbing to some ghastly western malaise of over indulgence or being picked off by an anonymous hit squad.
Don't want his bloodied frightened corpse with my corn flakes, though.
Only
if it's Thatch.
Nah - On reflection - not even that.
No...
...but it's too late. I think possibly the Libyans needed to see it though.
Speaking of appalling fucking hacks...
...a quick search of the hashtag #talktoteens on Twitter right now will reveal the delightful Sam Smith of the Billericay Gazette. Full story here:
http://scruffymutt.posterous.com/how-to-ruin-someones-life-for-no-good-r...
Needless to say, this absolutely wretched, foul bit of journalistic camel-shit had his story picked up by the Daily bastard Mail. A teacher, of whom her school has nothing but glowing things to say, is facing public humiliation, an investigation and possible career-ending sanctions for having the temerity to be a grown-up, on her own time.
Luckily, as I say, the school appears to being as supportive as it possibly can be. Let's hope the "investigation" yields absolutely nothing and that somebody successfully frames Sam Smith for some appalling crime of which he's entirely innocent. That'd do me. The CUNT.
Sorry. That was massively off-topic, but it's made me so mad.
Surprise surprise
The Word Massives newspaper of choice has picked up on this, & the ever tolerant Richard Littlejohn has stuck the boot in.
Twat.
BTW, I think you have every right to be mad Bob, &, off topic or not, well done for bringing it to a wider audience.
What?
Richard Littlejohn behaving like a twat?
Whoever would have thought?
Classroom clap in scandal school!
Glad to see the torch of quality journalism still being carried aloft.
If there is any justice
I'd like to hope that the journalists in question never get a blow job ever again.
Billericay Dickheads
should stick to reporting on local dog shows
(and no I don't mean "Miss Essex" pageants - 90's ed)
Unsure which paper ran the headline
'That's For Lockerbie'
It's completely embarassing isn't it?
No
I think it's fair.
Why?
Lockerbie representatives (victims' families etc) do not think it had anything to do with Gaddafi.
Well *one* person thinks that
I'm not sure that he actually represents anyone else.
Tellingly, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi himself has admitted some part in the atrocity, though he says his role has been exaggerated.
That one person represents all the UK victims' families/friends
Including me.
Condolences
So Dr Swires' really does represent all UK family and friends? I'd no idea.
Thanks
Not sure it's an official representation, and certainly his views are at odds with some American families, but I just feel he is a bright guy who has followed this case closer than anyone else I know of (and certainly me), so I am behind him until I hear something otherwise.
I wasn't planning to make these points in my original post. My feeling is that some good might well have come from having Gaddafi on a stand. I'd have said the same with any despot leader about any issue in case there was some evidence that would make lives more comfortable for other people.
Hopefully
The full story may yet emerge.
The Guardian
I was dismayed and shocked by the almost immediate coverage of what appears to have been a summary execution on the Guardian's website. I'd heard a news flash and went straightaway to the website to be confronted by a graphic still image of Gadaffi. Clicking on this - I know, I shouldn't have - took me straight into the phone footage, which repelled me more than I would have thought possible. Dignity in death is another issue; this was about the ethics of putting the footage on a public forum and the ensuing media coverage, which was sickening and entirely unnecessary
Gaddafi, Bin Laden and Saddam.
All have something in common. Yes, they are all bastards. They were all also supported by the West when it suited us. The sickening crap that I have witnessed in our newspapers today says more about us than it does about them. I can understand the Libyan people wanting to exact revenge for the crimes he perpetrated against them. There is no reason for us to glorify this though.
Too right 5-centres it's horrible.
Never mind that I don't want to see it, what about all the kids going to buy The Beano or sweets or whatever and having to see that in the newsagents? It revolts me. There's some heartless bastards out there under the guise of journalism.
It's
all very Medieval isn't it?
Like hanging the corpse in public to prove a point or cutting off bits and leaving them in strategic places throughout the kingdom.
I'm suprised he didn't get the full Mussolini treatment.
Give em time
he's currently the No.1 tourist attraction inside some ahipping container
and as Shakira said
ahips don't lie.
To play devil's advocate for a moment
one point in the graphic coverage's favour *might* be that if it's seen by just one would-be dictator/thug/whatever, and gives him (it's bound to be a "him") pause for thought, then that's a good thing.
Not the greatest argument in the world, I know, but I think there's a point in there somewhere: some people do terrible things because they believe it's consequence-free. An occasional graphic reminder that they may be brought horribly and publicly to justice is no bad thing?
I keep thinking it's vaguely similar to the argument that Britain has been a *relatively* peaceful country to live in for a few centuries because we beheaded Charles I (publicly at that), thus reminding all subsequent sovereigns that their power was not absolute.
Of course, practically all the other graphic/blood-stained/voyeuristic news photos mentioned above are beyond the pale however.
'Brought to justice'?
Really? I thought he'd been murdered.
As I suggested earlier, I thought the whole point of this was to bring about a more 'just' and humane society in Libya, an antithesis to Gaddafi's brutal methods.
I'm not saying I agree with him being murdered
(and it's not clear yet whether that's what happened anyway).
It's just that I'm not convinced that plastering his dead face on the papers is a totally bad thing, that's all.
This mans death cost 1.7 million. License to gloat?
Easy to forget facts - where did his wealth come from? Where did his ability to keep his own people in check for so long come from? Supported, armed, befriended by our Politicians. The ones that we elected, who were behaving in our interest.
So what was this mans actual personal involvement in the outrages that happened under his rule in Libya? What were his instructions with regard to this? How far are we away really from knowing without doubt that this man had any personal involvement in something like the Lockerbie bombing? That's what a system of justice is supposed to do, to prove these things beyond doubt. Forget any of that. Instead, not just the man himself, but his entire family are hunted down into ditches, and massacred. And the legal process is sneered at with the words "who cares!". Clearly the Middle Ages, often referred to when observing the MIddle East no less, is not so far away from home as we would like.
So why is the image of his blood spattered corpse on a front page so disgusting, and such a horrifying thing to witness? And why should it make anyone with any rational conscience so uncomfortable? Because we are more responsible the story and it's conclusion than we would like, that's why.
No
It's because it is colour picture of the body of a man shot dead. I would find that image disgusting whether they were murdered, executed or out hunting with Dick Cheney.
There is only so much vicarious responsibility to pass out for Gadaffi and, quite frankly, I am a lot nearer the back of that queue than I am the front for that particular one.
So your argument is merely that any ..
.. corpse shouldn't appear on the front page of any newspaper is it?
Imagine of The Sun had chosen to show us the dismembered corpse of one of the innocent children killed when Nato bombers struck in this incident..
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/world/asia/30afghanistan.html
I think an image like that might horrify us also, but with more positive consequences. So why doesn't such an image ever appear? No what we are told in that situation, is that any image of a murdered body is too horrifying to show on the front page of a National Newspaper.
It's apparently more acceptable to have the sickening image of Gadaffis death forever planted in our heads, as a kind of perverse figure of fun. To inspire us to gloat at in a victorious way. Personally I feel insulted at this expectation. But God forbid an image to inspire any compassion ever appears. What a strange hypocrisy. And a demonstration how far off 'moral compass' popular opinion has been pushed by our lazy media in the last ten years.
And it was 1.7 BILLION, not million by the way that it's estimated that the Libyan conflict cost us.
I specifically
described it as a colour picture a of a man shot dead. Not any corpse. Nor genocide nor bombing of civilians. A man (and in this specific case, a despot) shot dead. In colour. And the merely is a little disingenuous as well.
re the OP I guess
it depends whose it is and how it happened.
Gadaffi? Hell yes. It was quite funny in fact.
That silly little beard!
I'll be cancelling my order for this now
http://www.8ball.co.uk/FunnyT-shirts/ColonelGaddafi-Prickt-shirt.html
I agree
with the very young Libyan girl on the telly tonight who said, with a baby on her arm and looking not happy amidst the celebrations,said "No more blood"