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Do new bands always need to break new ground?
I was prompted to start a thread about the issue of new bands breaking new ground by an interesting letter in a rival magazine (one that specialises in Classic Rock!)
The correspondent had gone through last year's editions and noted how many times album reviews of new bands had criticised them for not breaking new ground or being particularly innovative. He argued that there is sufficient merit in bands sticking to a tried and tested formula to deliver what their fans expect. And that reviewers should stop criticising them just because they haven't been particularly experimental.
He illustrates his point observing that Clapton's best stuff was his early blues rock output rather than, say, his 80s pop material and rammed home his point with a wry comment that if Eric produced an opera for cats and dogs and delivered it through a 100 piece kazoo orchestra it might indeed be experimental but he probably wouldn't buy it.
I must say I see his point. I read a review of the new album by Irish hard rockers The Answer. The reviewer had praised the record but then closed his review saying that next time they should aim for something a bit more ambitious. What tosh I thought at the time. The Answer are obviously influenced by Free, AC/DC, The Faces etc and ballsy hard rock'n'roll is their trade mark. And as long as they go on producing I'll probably support them (and not just because they are a good bunch of Irish lads).
Anyway what do the massive think?
Do you usually prefer bands that push the envelope or those that retread old formulas?
Would you necessarily fault a band for sticking to their guns and staying within their comfort zone?
Are rock reviewers full of the brown stuff at times when it comes to struggling new bands? Any recent examples of reviews that made you say to yourself "bollox, your wrong mate, get yourself a guitar and let's see how you get on"?
oh, and I nearly forgot, if Eric Clapton were to do an opera for cats and dogs with a kazoo orchestra would you buy it?
here is The Answer doing Rose Tattoo's "Rock'n'roll Outlaw" for those of you who, like me, don't always need experiment and innovation to get through a record.
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Bands should be themselves.
Things generally go horribly wrong when they try for a certain sound or try to do something different for its own sake. What's more, Joe Public generally sees through it and dislikes them for it. We can't all be innovative (by definition, you need a whole bunch of people to be 'conventional' for one person to seem innovative) and I really think the best advice is to do what you feel comfortable with.
Acka Dacka
Malcolm Young's response to an interviewer asking about accusations that all their albums sounded the same: "It's the same band!"
I don't mind
as long as they're good.
for me
The most exciting new music is definitely outside of the guitar pop format. Whilst I do enjoy the odd bit of indie, it tends to be revisiting Britpop from my youth. Modern bands bore me.
That's not to say modern music is bad. Far from it, but the most beautiful and exciting music is still out there pushing boundaries.
For me, Balam Acab is the most exciting and played thing from this year. Not sure how it'd be definable as, but there are half remembered vocal samples, Four Tet bleeps, sub bass and computerised beats. But boy, is it beautiful.
Choons aside what I look for in bands is
1. being forward looking, adventurous, open-minded
2. glamour, sexiness, some kind of beauty
3. intelligence, wit
Not that many bands have two of these and very few have 'em all. I think if you are deficient in these three qualities your music has to be consistently amazing; the only acceptable substitute is a large and solid body of work.
Something that has annoyed me for many years is the way Noel Gallagher has persuaded interviewers to associate his work with The Beatles when The Fabs would be exemplars in at least two of the above categories and his own band seem to wilfully oppose the notion that these (particularly 1 and 3) are desirable qualities at all...
One thing I've learned over the years
is that the *style* of a band's music is a lot less important than the *content*, but often the press and the (more superficial of their) fans think otherwise.
I don't mind bands trying new things all the time, as long as they're doing them well. I don;t mind them sticking to the same path as long as they do it well. Being boring (whether in their existing style, or a new one) is where I draw the line.
Generally I thinks bands that strive for "newness"...
as some sort of badge of authenticity as musicians end up making very tedious music.
To my way of thinking, a group that sees itself as having roots in diverse musical traditions and therefore draws from as wide a range of influences as possible will probably stand a much better chance of actually producing something that sounds fresh yet not overly precious.
I have always thought of Led Zeppelin as being an example of this kind of approach. I don't think Messers Page, Plant, Bonham and Jones set out with the intention of making vastly "original" or "different" music; rather they began playing together and their myriad influences started to flow into the songs they were writing. So a mixture of folk, blues, rock n' roll, rhythm and blues, soul, jazz (and later on even reggae and funk) coalesced into something greater than the sum of its parts.
Many people might disagree with me here, but I would cite Radiohead as a more recent example of this magpie tendency producing some wonderful results. Their best music comes about when they don't come over as overly bothered about "pushing boundaries" and all that nonsense and instead sound like they're simply having fun. That is why In Rainbows is a far better and more enjoyable record than The King of Limbs.
Newness is in the ear of the beholder
I shared this link on FB yesterday, as I happened to find it rather wonderful:
and immediately a friend responded that "it sounds like Music For Airports!"
It may very well do - in fact, for all I know it's a blatant rip-off - but as I've never bothered with Eno, I wouldn't know. My point is that this track is fundamentally different enough from what I normally listen to, that it made me pay attention; so, in its own way, it's 'new'. Even if it isn't. Or am I talking bollocks?
If you haven't heard this before
you might like it as well.
I had no idea
Mogwai sounded like that - I just assumed they were another indie band. Thanks for that.
Mogwai. Are.
Amazing.
They're like the direct opposite of landfill indie. Wonderful people.
Where do you start?
Coz I reckon I started at the wrong place - the one with the bird of prey on the cover. I was expecting more, but maybe I was looking on the wrong album.
"Hawk is Howling" has got some great stuff!
"The Suns Smells Too Loud" and "I Love You, I'm Going To Blow Up Your School" are highly rated in my opinion. There was a B-side to "Batcat" called "Stupid Pick Gets Chased by the Police and Loses His Slut Girlfriend" which is a fantastic track, regardless of the silly title!
I'm also a big fan of "Rock Action" which the band (or mainly Stuart Braithwaite) can't stand and so never rarely play stuff from it, "Dial: Revenge" with Gruff Rhys on vocals is lovely. Also worth checking out for the quieter stuff is the "Zidane" soundtrack, which is Mogwai at their quietest. And despite its hideous cover, "Come On Die Young" is another good one too. "Cody" and "Waltz For Aidan" are two of Mogwai's best songs. The BBC live version of "Like Herod" is fairly impressive too. Quiet to the point of silence to mind bending volume at the flick of a switch. Mesmerising.
More than enough stuff to check out from one of the UK's finest acts.
Start with Young Team
Is my advice. I think it's their strongest album (as debuts so often are) and it has the above linked Mogwai Fear Satan on it, which is unquestionably their strongest track.
Beyond that, Come On Die Young gives us a slightly gentler 'Gwai and has the excellent Christmas Steps on it. Worth a listen.
If you don't mind a live album then Special Moves is a pretty good investment, cherry-picking as it does their best material.
They're an absolutely sensational band, they really are. Blew me away when I first heard them and still give me tingles all these years later.
Yeah: Young Team and Come On Die Young.
That was where I started with them. I love Mr Beast and Happy Songs For Happy People, and Rock Action is good too. I've not heard Hawk Is Howling yet.
Great Stuff ...
..been listening a lot to these guys this week - after they sent me the new EP plus some compilation CD's which tie in with the New Path gigs they put on in Liverpool.
Boundaries
Some days I want to listen to someone pushing them. Other days, I want someone who is staying well within them. There's space for it all.
Simple as that really.
Genuinely don't care as long as...
a) the songs are better than just "quite good" and
b) there isn't TOO much of a total indebtedness to the past.
If there are some really excellent tunes going on that don't sound entirely like someone else from forty years ago, I'm on board, generally. Revivalists, no. Updates of an old sound that do something I haven't heard yet, yes.
This is why, say, La Roux couldn't sustain my interest. One really good tune, but there was far too much hommage and absolutely nothing new in the sound. And the rest of the songs were weak.
You need a mix - too unfamiliar and you flirt with unlistenable. Too familiar and you're into "why bother" territory.
No
How many acts over the years have truly broken new ground? Hardly any I would suggest. Most have tended to follow a trend or have discovered an underground experimental artist and been influenced. Maybe what seems new is really just a fresh combination of influences or a new presentation of an old idea. I think those that have broken new ground have probably not thought too self conciously about doing so but have been bright, creative, talented people who have been playing around and didn't want to bore themselves with clichés or repetition. Then again you do need the occasional exceptional act to shake it all up from time to time or things tend to ossify. Yet good country style music records still get made and genres like that haven't changed noticeably for a long, long time and that's OK. I guess that's where we're at with rock and pop now. Stuff like The Horrors album could be pulled apart into clearly derived influences - still a thrilling record though. So what I am saying is essentially - no.
Short answer: no
While I'm liable to prick up my ears at a record that sounds very striking and "new", for me it always comes down to the songs, and whether they're any good. Take the example of Ron Sexsmith: he's produced a fair few albums over the years, most of which I have. They all sound very similar, and will offer very little in the way of the Thrill Of The New. But if you're after Bloody Good Songs, he comes up with the goods time and time again.
I've said this before, I know: I also don't care if an artist or band sounds like someone else, provided the songs are up to snuff. To take a band much discussed around these parts, The Silver Seas are nobody's idea of cutting edge. Their singer, Daniel Tashian, sounds quite a lot like Jackson Browne. Their songs sound as if they could have been made in the 70s. And I don't give a damn, because these songs weren't made in the 70s, and they move and delight me now, as much as anything else.