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Dirk Kuyt & Other Hard-Working Football Heroes
Posted by Spartacus Mills on 21 January 2010 - 11:08am.
Whilst watching Liverpool v Spurs last night it occurred to me that Kuyt is one of a breed of players who, although not the most poised or skilful, become fan-favourites due to their spirit and work-rate.
Kuyt’s performances often resemble that of a fan, albeit an exceptionally talented one, who has been given a one-off opportunity to turn out for their team.
I guess Arsenal fans might call it the Perry Groves factor.
So, who is your Dirk Kuyt?
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Kuyt is great!
He always seems to pop up with important goals for you lot, works so hard and always seem to look like he's enjoying everything about playing football. I like his attitude a lot, never moans considering he's nearly always being played out of position and I think it's unfair that he doesn't get much recognition.
He does a lot of good work for charity too and I'm going to talk about it...
http://www.dirkkuytfoundation.nl/
"Kuyt's wife Gertrude has found favour in the Dutch media for her down-to-earth attitude. She continued to work as a nurse in an old people's home after marrying Kuyt until their daughter, Noelle, was born. Kuyt and his wife now carry out extensive charity work off the pitch. Most notably, he and his wife set up the Dirk Kuyt Foundation to help disadvantaged children in his homeland and the Third World. One of the ways the foundation raises money is by selling DK-branded clothes."
What do Liverpool fans think of him Torres Bounce?
As for my team Reading, we haven't had a player like that since Phil Parkinson retired - maybe Steve Sidwell, but for some reason fans never really warmed to him in the way we loved Parky.
We could desperately do with a Kuyt in our team - we've got quite a few Ku*ts.
Have an up arrow
just for the mention of Parky
Definitely need someone with that sort of determination and work rate
Thank you and a big Up Arrow for the Royals today...
just knocked out another Premier League team Burnley today!
Scrappy game up to the last 20 minutes but can't accuse the chaps of not trying hard today - I'm starting to warm to them.
Is it the new manager?
The last one who's name escapes be already seemed far too earnest in that way new managers do. All arms folded, serious faced with scraps of paper. Surprised he didn't wear the Phil Brown earpiece thingy!
Well, we have a caretaker
manager at the moment as yes, the "earnest one", Brendan Rodgers was booted out along with his scraps of paper and his "world class model" of total European style football...err we are in the bottom 3 of the Championship.
That's the fella
wasn't he meant to be Mourinho's protege at Chelsea?
Yes
Mourinho liked him so much, he nicked him from Reading to be his Youth Team bod.
Rogers went to Watford, created a turn-round of fortune in half a season.
Got back to Reading and did, well bottom 3 and no home wins speaks for itself.
Brain McDermott is in a win-win situation at the moment.
If we're relegated, its a case of: "Oh well, he was only the caretaker"
If we stay up: "He's done a superb job"
in the same vein
I always had a soft spot for Gareth Southgate whoever he played for. Not the most technically gifted but put his all into it and showed genuine disappointment when his teams' performances were unacceptably below par. As a fan that's all you can hope for: a touch of humanity to put true class into perspective.
At the Boro
he was well liked as a captain and player. Then again, he followed in a long line of heart on sleeve players like Tony Mowbray, and continues today in Dave Wheater.
As a manager he took plenty of flak, but even his critics conceded what a decent, genuinely nice chap he was. They're not wrong. Even his recent post Boro interviews have shown a lack of bitterness about his sacking, which would have been quite justified I think
He can be frustrating and is
He can be frustrating and is renowned for scuffing good chances but what impresses me is that he never goes missing. He stepped up to take (and re-take) that penalty last night despite missing a couple of gilt-edged chances earlier.
He's just an honest player. The sort of player that makes you feel like the team and the fans are all on the same side after all.
I'm having a baby boy later this year. Might see what the missus thinks about the name 'Dirk'....
Role Model
Well, when they spout off in the press about players like Beckham, Lampard and Gerrard being "role models for kids" it always makes me chuckle - but Dirk...most certainly!
And another thing...
...in his favour, is that he isn't remotely cool. The dodgy hair, the occasional 'air guitar' goal celebration. If you told me he owned a demin jacket with Saxon and Megadeth patches I'd not be surprised.
Kids names
My wife was right up for Robert Michael... until we sold God, and I had to try and shift her to Michael Emile, and the game was up.
KIds names #2
We've got an 11 year old Owen Robert who attends the matches at Anfield. He almost took the abuse personally that Michael Owen got when he returned to Liverpool with Man Utd this year
Ha ha...
Yes, an air guitar celebration beats all that nancy boy faffing about they usually do after scoring!
dirk
he works that hard every single game make me tired just watching.
I can't comment on Kuyt's
I can't comment on Kuyt's performance guys, I was too busy watching the 10-goal thriller on the other side! What a game.
I'm not a Man U fan per se but Darren Fletcher, what a trier. Seems to get a little bit better every season, through hard work.
I don't like Fletcher
He's always moaning, complaining and sneering at the refs for some perceived injustice. Don't get that with Dirk you know!
Might be a bit unfair
on Stuart Pearce, Steve Stone and Steve Hodge - but they made it into the England team on similar values rather than raw talent I think.
John McGovern was similar though in a less noticable way. In the current Forest team Paul McKenna and Wes Morgan.
Though of all those named only Wes really waxes and wanes in terms of from like Kuyt - the rest were/are rock-solid consistent. And even Wes has been pretty much solid over the last four months...
Colin Cooper
Sweated blood when he was in Bruce Rioch's famous phoenix from the ashes side. Clough bought well there.
That 86 Boro side was a a cracker, containing Pallister, Mowbray, Ripley, Cooper, Steve Pears.
Pearce was one of those players who was better than people thought, but that attitude was great - a bit like Terry Butcher: none shall pass, on pain of death (mine or yours)
Good call
and Steve Chettle too
Coops
still on the staff at boro, or at least was until Southgate went.
Top bloke. He lost a young son too and bore it with quiet dignity.
http://finlaycooperfund.co.uk/
Another vote for Dirk Kuyt
who really does seem like a thoroughly decent bloke as well as a very good footballer.
Gary Mabbutt of Spurs always impressed me, especially with the work he did to encourage fellow diabetics to play. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer always struck me as a decent cove, too.
Of the current generation, obviously Gary Neville'e measured and intelligent responses to everything life throws at him are exemplary.
Better the brother
I live in the NW and Phil Neville is well thought of round these parts for his work for local childrens hospitals. He seems a much more rounded individual than his older brother. I dare say his daughter's medical experience has made him realise there's more to life than football. There ia a nice little piece on the BBC News website of Phil explaining why he took up the charitable cause http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7980144.stm
Thumbs up
I always thought he seemed dour and humourless but had the pleasure of his company for a short time last year and was surprised to find he was yer typical lively, friendly, wise-cracking mancunian.
Better player than he's given credit for, too.
Lordy, I never knew
(not that there's any reason why I should); but what a moving and inspiring interview. Good on Isabella and her forward-thinking parents.
Eye opening isn't it?
Whilst we're on the subject, it's worth mentioning Lee Carsley and Kevin Kilbane, former team-mates of Neville's, who also have disabled children. They too do a lot for charity and are nice blokes to boot.
Phil Neville
Definitely one of the good guys.
A far, far better footballer than he has ever been given credit for, and a far better man than most of us could ever hope to be.
Agreed
with an up arrow which is wholly insignificant but all I've got.
I can't work out if...
...the G. Neville comment was sarcastic? I certainly hope so!
The single finger gesture towards Tevez on Tuesday, and the Adebayor style goal celebrations in front of Man City fans earlier in the season and in '06 towards Liverpool fans (for which he was fined), are not fine examples of a great role model!
Ryan Giggs would surely get the nod ahead of him.
May be a mercenary, but
Carlos Tevez always seems to chase down absolutely everything and does more running in a game than Robinho does in a season.
Yeah
He was once described by a Guardian journalist (Kevin McCarra I think) as a rich man's Dirk Kuyt.
Not Kev
Was Paul Doyle in one of his ABU moments
ABU
What's that?
Anyone But United
- referring to the mindless haters, and there's lots of 'em.
I suspected it might be that
But couldn't understand why the journo would be praising Carlos Tevez in 'one of his abu moments'.
It wasn't a compliment
In context of the podcast in which Paul Doyle made the quip, the implication was that Kuyt was rubbish and Tevez was only marginally more effective. Kind of a damn-him-with-faint-praise thing.
Is Tevez
a mercenary though? I don't think his moves have necessarily been his own choice though have they? Anyway, he certainly puts a shift in for whatever team he plays for - he does show up and shame some of the real waster mercenaries in our game that's for sure. Robinho being a good example, the sub being subbed, he didn't even look embarassed by that.
That's the thing
His moves haven't necessarily been his own choice because he surrendered that choice by allowing his rights to be owned by MSI.
I imagine that is where the mercenary label comes from.
Tevez and Bellamy must be the hardest working
striker pairing in the premier league.
You probably noticed last night,
Spurs don't have a Dirk Kuyt, which is why you won and we lost.
I thought Palacios
was meant to be the Edgar Davids style replacement, hasn't he worked out?
He has not been the same since his brother
was kidnapped and murdered back home in Honduras. It affected him badly, which is very understandable. I have no inside knowledge but I suspect that he will leave the UK and go home to his family after the World Cup.
Bloody hell!
That's awful, I remember something about a kidnapping but didn't know it had ended in murder.
Surely the answer is...
Rochdale's finest - Chris Dagnell - won't stop working til we win promotion.
Dirk holding a guitar?
I think I've got just what you're after:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beatlesstory/3480670306/
Taken by me when I worked at the Beatles museum - he was a very nice chap!
From the other side of the park...
...I give you Leon Osman. Everton through and through, oftentimes the target of the knobhead contingent, but always gives 100% and never, ever hides and will do whatever job the manager asks of him uncomplainingly. A lad I used to work with taught Leon when he was at school and said he was one of the nicest kids he ever taught.
The God of hardworking
overachieving footballers. I give you..... Carlton Palmer.
He lives out here now...
Good old Carlton. He lives here in Dubai now and does not look a day older than in that pic.
Someone told me he's a PE teacher at one of the schools, but I see him in my local quite a lot. He swears loads during the England games, but is pretty good natured when people shout, "CARLTON! CAN WE NOT KNOCK IT!" in a bad Graham Taylor accent.
I'm glad
but maybe he has the right perspective: that's alright lads, you take the piss, but I'm the one who played for England. Always seemed alright when they used him as a pundit.
On the charity front
My view of Didier Drogba chnaged completely when I read recently that he had spent something like £3 million of his own money building a hospital in his home town.
Similarly
this news about the much-maligned Craig Bellamy will come as a surprise to many people (it did to me, anyway). Very impressive, and not widely known, given that this dates from May 2008.
Fair point...
...but let's wait and see if it collapses and crumbles into a heap the first time someone leans on one of the walls.
Er ... Dirk Kuyt
Probably not a top class footballer, but seems a top class human being.
I think Lucas Leiva the bomb too.
Dimitar Berbatov
No?
But sublime skill never looks like hard work.
Interesting stat from Football365
* Manchester United's record with Dimitar Berbatov in the starting XI is 34 points from 13 games. Their record without him is 13 points from nine games. That's 2.6 points per game v 1.44 points per game.
Nah
"a breed of players who, although not the most poised or skilful, become fan-favourites due to their spirit and work-rate."
Berbatov is famed for his poise and skill. He is not(rightly or wrongly) a fan favourite due to his spirit and work-rate.
I was
kinda being ironic, seeing as Tevez appears to be the hard-working brush with which the critics want to beat Berbatov (disregarding the obvious, that they are completely different kinds of player).
Sublime skills and works like a donkey
Juninho.
Probably the reason why his regard at Middlesbrough approached hagiography. Most even forgave him for leaving for Athletico Madrid after our 1997 relegation, becuase he'd pulled trees to keep us up. And the reaction when he came back spoke volumes.
Great Thread Torres!
The last time I posted about my beloved reds it was an angry post: one informed by the notion that without SG and FT we were carrion for any half-way decent premiership outfit to Friday night pizza.I'd underestimated Dirk and as Ian Faith once memorably said,'I think think this is a turning point for us.'
On other City players than Tevez
Who really did play like a man possessed on on Tuesday.
Richard Dunne - would put his body on the line for 90 minutes,score a few, and four or five times a season give away a penalty..can't believe we sold him to Villa as he's been great for them. Several times fans' player of the seaon.
The Goat. Legend. Not blessed with Torres-type anything, but never missing.
The Berbatov factor :probably the most sublime City player of the last thirty years but of course would go missing for large sections of games, Mr Kinkladze.
The Goat
assuming you mean Shaun Goater?
Never really shone in a Reading shirt, bit then din't play that often towards the end of his stay.
Rumour was if he'd played another couple of games Reading would have to stump up some more cash to Man City.
Other stories suggest Steve Coppell didn't rate him much, so he went out and bought Dave Kitson
Please stop it
Thanks to this thread I've now got to revise my views of Drogba, Bellamy and Phil Neville. Maintaining biased and unreasonable dislikes of players is one of the few pleasures left in the game for a West Ham supporter. Luckily I think I'm still OK with the other Neville.
The Hammers haven't been overly gifted with hard workers. John Moncur and Tomas Repka certainly put the effort in, usually in reverse proportion to the common sense applied. Bobby Zamora was also a real grafter, but sadly not as much of a goal scorer. In the current squad Scott Parker and Mark Noble are about as close as we can get.
Re Lee Carsley
One of Lee's kids (a son I think) has Downs Syndrome. Read a lovely article about the Dad a few years ago when he was playing for Everton.
Crux of the story was that he had to rush back from an away match to attend an auction for the DS charity of which he was patron.
Apparently Moyes and a number of the players also travelled and proceeded to underbid each other for many items and consequently raised a considerably higher amount of money than would have been expected.
Grafters at Birmingham
Geof Horsfield was immense - he had a lion heart and was a massive crowd favourite. Always put in 110 percent effort and would run through a brick wall for the club. Recently battled testicular cancer with the same gritty determination.
Also Martin Grainger - tough left back with the sweetest free kick.
The Mighty Carl Leaburn
The striker who hardly ever scored, but tried so bloody hard you had to love him.
Not sure how good he was when he went to Wimbledon, but he cheered up many a Saturday afternoon at the Valley.
Graham Roberts
The hard man to complement Hoddle's artistry. Obviously a hero in a Spurs shirt, obviously the opposite in a Chelsea one - but the sort of hatchet man that most teams seem to have had in those days.
The ultimate hero is surely
The ultimate hero is surely Jamie Carragher. True grit and total hard work. Never gets the admiration from the press he deserves but epitomises everything a footballer should be.
There's an amazing Jamie Carragher stat
No player currently active in the Premier League has scored more goals AGAINST Liverpool than Jamie Carragher
Carra's Great
But he's got too much of a dark side to fit into this category, I think. He's like our version of Roy Keane. A bit unnerving.
old sweaty shirt himself
The great Kenny Hibbitt, Wolves in the 70's
Alan Smith
When he was at Leeds Alan Smith used to work his socks off.
Know he is hardly seen as unskilled but...
I lose track of the amount of games I watch where the first or second Man Utd defender to track back to the Man Utd penalty area after a corner at the other end of the pitch is not in fact a defender at all but... Wayne Rooney.
Alan Smith
is not at Leeds now, and tends not to be afforded the generous support and praise of the Gelderd faithful on the rare occasions he has returned.
If I might be allowed
a patriotic mention for Darren Fletcher, man of tonight's enthralling (although I kept switching between it and Rangers' crucial trip down the M8 to face St. Mirren!) Carling Cup semi against the 'noisy neighbours'.
Too often derided as 'Fergie's token Scotsman' (when SAF has never shown the slightest tendency, even in times of richer Caledonian harvest), I'm glad to see him gain some long overdue recognition (Rooney called him 'world-class').