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ImageWe've just made our first step into video podcasting with a little something we're calling The Shopcast. We've done it with Universal Music. It features David Hepworth and Mark Ellen talking about old records. Difficult concept, admittedly, but it might work.

We haven't yet ironed out the business of delivering this in such a way that you can view it on the site (in fact, when do we ever "iron out" anything?) but for the moment you can stream it as a podcast here and view it either on an iPod or on your desktop.

Please feel free to have a look and let us know what you think, particularly from a technical point of view. Are you seeing it OK? How long did it take to download? How is it working on different devices? All this might help us make it better.

We could do...

...with step-by-step instructions for the hard of thinking about how to insert an RSS feed into an iPod.

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Inky Fingers | 16 January 2009 - 1:30pm

Open iTunes

Go to "Advanced".
Paste the link into the "Subscribe to Podcast" box.

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David Hepworth | 16 January 2009 - 2:14pm

Worked for me

Downloaded okay (about 20 mins), played fine with Quicktime on the iMac and added to iTunes okay, so should be able to sync with the iPod (although that's still in the car so not tried yet).

Is that the same blue shirt Mark Ellen's wearing as on the Mag of The Year bash the past two years.... does he ever wear anything else ?

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chrisf | 16 January 2009 - 3:22pm

concepts and retail

So the shop needs a name .

.Considering how many of the massive were raised on concept albums and this must surely be a concept shop I suggest Honeytoned Hora's for the shop sign with a suitable Yes album cover background.

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Danmac | 16 January 2009 - 3:10pm

The link to the .mov file

The link to the .mov file didn't appear in Firefox for some reason but did in IE 8. However, I'm still waiting after 10 minutes for the thing to finish downloading over a 1 meg wireless broadband connection.

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Andy Lynes | 16 January 2009 - 3:32pm

I got the link to the .mov file

and I'm using Firefox.

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 16 January 2009 - 4:47pm

Andy

probably has the NoScript add-on in his Firefox installation, and just needs to allow the website permission to generate the download link in his browser...

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Vulpes Vulpes | 20 January 2009 - 5:16pm

Worked fine

Downloaded at a respectable 200KB/s. Used Podnova as my feed manager and Juice as my RSS aggregator. Played fine in QuickTime. You may want to consider a DivX version also as it’s a bit more portable. However, I'm not sure the 'two blokes chatting a shed' format was calling out for video enhancement.

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austinplatt | 16 January 2009 - 3:51pm

Downloaded fine

It's a bit chunkier than a many other video podcasts, but it only took me about 10 minutes on an 8Mb connection (I get about 6Mb usable broadband normally). I imported into PC iTunes with no trouble (it might be useful to call the .mov file something a bit more sensible). It looks and sounds good on the PC. It looks and sounds very good on an iPhone. If you're going down the video podcast route the presenters need to smarten themselves up a bit.

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 16 January 2009 - 5:16pm

Waffle

An almost biblical level of waffle, fantastic work, more of these please.

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Pat Carty | 16 January 2009 - 5:31pm

Crap record-shop names for your consideration

Rax-o-Trax
Popalong Cassidy's
The Hit House
Pentonville Platters
H&E's Hairy Hideaway
Zavvier

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Archie Valparaiso | 16 January 2009 - 5:49pm

It's always good to see messrs Hepworth and Ellen in the flesh

However, the Shopcast doesn't make wonderful use of the fact that this is recorded in video (rather than just audio). With the exception of the album information, there's not much there that's warrants the video and is different from a standard Word podcast.

Could we see artists' video clips or music tracks (particularly if Universal Music are paying for it and are presumably keen to promote their 'product')? Anyway, I enjoyed it. As regards a name, 'Two Blokes Talking' springs to mind, but if you could change the till, how about 'Open All Hours'.

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 16 January 2009 - 5:51pm

Ellworth's

as a name for the shop?

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Mark JF | 16 January 2009 - 6:32pm

How about...

...Buy Some Old?

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Gavin Adam | 16 January 2009 - 6:58pm

Reminds me of the Basil Brush show

David is Roy North to Mark's Basil. Boom Boom!

Anyway, downloaded in about 15 mins for me, works fine thanks - entertaining as ever, but when will you find time to do the mag?

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Bigsby | 16 January 2009 - 7:26pm

Rhinocerous

I think the theme to Sounds Of The Seventies was a track by Rhinocerous. Otherwise I know nothing about them.

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Carl Parker | 16 January 2009 - 7:29pm

Rhino Records

Are they like Cactus and Mountain? I'd like to think that they are.

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simonperrins | 16 January 2009 - 9:39pm

Apricot Brandy

Was the name of the Rhinocerous track.
They were on Elektra - I've got the single somewhere, and vaguely remember hearing the album. Apricot Brandy was the stand out track.

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Freddie Owen | 16 January 2009 - 10:58pm

I've got the album on CD somewhere

and I bought that for the single track.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 20 January 2009 - 5:18pm

The mighty Rhinoceros...

have a web presence. I have gleaned the following information:

They released three albums...

1968 - Rhinoceros

1969 - Satin Chickens (!)

1970 - Better Times Are Coming

and this is what they looked like:

Marvellous.

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Patrick Crowther | 16 January 2009 - 11:02pm

A shiny new star in the Word firmament is born...

Listening to Mark Ellen gas on about The Pentangle is always a pleasure, never a chore.

More please... very enjoyable.

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Patrick Crowther | 16 January 2009 - 8:41pm

Loved it!

Downloaded quickly (3 mins) and played superbly in VLC media player. For a bit of added interest you could have Rob Fitzpatrick walking into the "shop" and asking for the new one by Slayer, or something. Suggested name: The Needle Travels

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Martin | 16 January 2009 - 9:44pm

If you shut your eyes it's a normal podcast (sans swearing)

Listening to two blokes rambling amiably about folk rock is indeed my idea of a good time, but surely a Pentangle enthusiast like Mark should know "Lyke Wake Dirge".

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simonperrins | 16 January 2009 - 9:40pm

Swarb

The smokin' Swarbrick actions elevated it beyond being little more than a televised radio show.

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Carl Parker | 16 January 2009 - 9:44pm

Top Shopcast

I was sitting here in New York having saved up my Word podcast for the long drive upstate tomorrow when I came across the Shopcast. It's brilliant.
I was actually quite surprised that David and Mark stayed on course for so long rather than veering wildly onto the hard shoulder of tangent as is the charm of the podcast.
Any chance of announcing the theme of the next one in advance? It might be good to listen to a few of these tracks before the next Shopcast?

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JC | 16 January 2009 - 10:25pm

Auty's Music

I am sure Mr Hepworth will be delighted to know that the Auty's that he mentions visiting as a youth is still alive and well in The Arcade in Dewsbury town centre. Can't guarantee that they still sell fridges as well though.

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tonyg | 16 January 2009 - 10:52pm

It's *not!*

Do they still sell banjos and the sheet music to Cilla Black's "You're My World"?

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David Hepworth | 16 January 2009 - 10:55pm

Shop name....

surely it has to be "Soundz of young Islington"

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Patrick Crowther | 16 January 2009 - 11:14pm

An hour of my life I won't get back

Afraid it's beyond me.
Tried at work, but closed it down when the IT police came near.
Tried at home - got a different looking page.
Cut and pasted what I though was the link - Windows Media appeared. Little hour glass thingy started. 20 minutes later, no progress.
Tried again, same result.
The following request may reveal my interweb lack of knowledge
'Couldn't you stick it on Youtube ?'

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Freddie Owen | 16 January 2009 - 11:32pm

H&E

has a certain resonance in the name stakes for some sort of reason.

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Leedsboy | 16 January 2009 - 11:57pm

Well I clicked the link 11 minutes ago

am going to bed. Will watch in the morning.

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Leedsboy | 17 January 2009 - 12:09am

Downloaded in about 15 mins

no problems playing it on Windows Media Player as Broken Britain hasn't given me enough cash to get a video i-pod.

Top wittertainment and finally a worth successor to this pair

A name for the shop - Slipped Discs

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DogFacedBoy | 17 January 2009 - 1:22am

Mr. H's instructions work just fine...

...if you precede them with "Right click on the link in the original post (at top, above) and select "Copy Link" or similar. Then:

Open iTunes
Click on "Subscribe to Podcast..." in the "Advanced" menu.
Paste the link into the "Subscribe to Podcast" box.
Click OK.

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Daigoro | 17 January 2009 - 3:01am

Finally..........

Yes - it works - with Firefox 3.05 and Vista as described by Mr H - previous attempts failed miserably.....

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andrewdavidlong | 19 January 2009 - 11:06pm

I don't know much about video podcasts...

...but I know what I like. A thoroughly enjoyable addition to the Word canon.

Downloaded in 30 mins (via Firefox 3 and Beijing China Netcom 2meg connection).

The Talking Upper Extremities format is perfect for viewing on the small screen of a portable device.

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James EB | 17 January 2009 - 6:51am

Thank you

Thank you, Daigoro. That seems to be working.

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Inky Fingers | 17 January 2009 - 8:27am

Like it

Do more of these. Always good to see Hepworth and Ellen sparring. Instructions to open on iTunes work fine. Plays lovely on the iPhone. 200M is a bit on the big size though.
I'd say this is just the right length too.
As I'm reading the rather excellent The Folk Handbook at the moment this was a good topic for me. Just been obsessing over the song, John Barleycorn and had been listening to the Cropredy 2007 live version of Liege and Lief just before watching this. Perfect timing chaps. Now I need to get my hands on that folk rock compilation, so your sponsorship kickback is working.
But can you predict what I shall be listening to before your next one?

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hanuman | 17 January 2009 - 10:32am

Surprised

Does David really think Leige and Lief is the greatest record ever made ? Or was he playing to the gallery ?
Had a kind of Infomercial feel. I just felt that trying to sell Folk Rock to the Word massive was a bit coals to Newcastle.
very enjoyable it must be said.

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Sour Crout | 17 January 2009 - 10:52am

Took a while to download but worth the wait

Well, there's already been a shop called Hepworths. I've done some brainstorming. Not sure of the merits of these but for what it's worth:

The Vinyl Word
Old Gits' Warped Tunes (a subtle reference to former lives)
Last Of The Summer Vinyl
Dave's Dirges

Very enjoyable new feature. Thanks.

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Sven Garlic | 17 January 2009 - 11:00am

Very enjoyable

Two things that aren't really a huge problem but might be considered valid feedback:

1. It took longer to download than it did to watch.

2. The reason I love the podcast so much is that I can listen to it whilst doing other things. Obviously that doesn't apply here. However, I shall endeavour to keep up with this and not let it go the way of the video version of Mayo and Kermode's podcasts.

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Lucas Hare | 17 January 2009 - 11:59am

Fab

A pleasure to be in your company chaps. When is the old codgers tour taking place?

I do think it would benefit from from an opening theme tune. How about the music from The Muppet Show?

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Beany | 17 January 2009 - 12:42pm

splendid

More please. Am about to download Traffic's John Barleycorn as a direct result.

Worked fine on Mac OS/X Lepoard, but could not subscribe to it on Firefox on Ubuntu Linux. The XML is possibly wrong because it believes the source file is hosted at www.wordmagazine.co.uk.

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Andrew Bradley | 17 January 2009 - 1:52pm

Worked fine

Shop name: Statler & Waldorf

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Richard Lowe | 17 January 2009 - 9:33pm

Disgusted of Glasgow writes

As a regular reader and contributor to The Word blog I was cheered to see that there was now a moving picture version of their most esteemed podcast.
Imagine my horror at Mr. E's handling of Mr. H's Traffic ellpee sleeve. Good grief man, he'd even taken time to sellotape the outer edges to keep it in good condition! I would like to assure Mr. E that should he ever wish to riffle through my record/cassette/8-track collection, behaviour like that would be met with a swift right hook to the jaw, glasses on or not.

yours
Disgusted, Glasgow

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James Blast | 17 January 2009 - 10:13pm

Excellent!! Will be getting the Pentangle box on my next payday

I won't discuss the download time, because my broadband connection is a joke. Worth the wait, though.

Exactly like a proper record shop - two blokes behind the counter discussing whatever musical matter comes to mind (with considerable authority) and bad luck to anyone wanting to actually buy anything. “Wait for our conversation to finish - we're not here to actually sell you anything.”

However, most of it can just be listened as if it were a normal podcast - I slipped my iPod into my pocket at one point and it took me five minutes to remember there were images I was missing out on. If Universal are sponsoring the event, might they be persuaded to contribute some visual content as well? And could we see Mr. Ellen playing his uke?

Possible shop name: We Mind The Bollocks
Although HORA would be the obvious choice...

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Sam Fiddian | 18 January 2009 - 2:40am

Sumer is icumen in

Is much older than 1632. Its earliest manuscript is 13th century.

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matthew | 18 January 2009 - 10:49am

FAB

I have fond memories of a record shop in Finchley, when I lived there about ten years ago. It was called F.A.B. Music, which I gather stood for Fat And Balding.

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Lucas Hare | 18 January 2009 - 1:46pm

What about The Vicarage as a name?

Doubles as a reference to The Rocking Vicar and the fact our esteemed Mr Ellen is starting to look a tad like peak-period Derek Nimmo.
Or 'Album Tracks, rareties and B-sides' - kind of like the opposite of Smash Hits?

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Mr Fade | 19 January 2009 - 7:06am

Smashed Twits

Just joshing...

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Beany | 19 January 2009 - 10:37am

Didn't Work For Me

Clicked on the .mov file and Windows Media Player started up and then after a few seconds thinking about it said that it could not connect. All subsequent attempts have done absolutely nothing, not even starting the media player.

Why don't you release a sound only version as a conventional podcast?

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DavidG | 19 January 2009 - 11:32am

WMP...where the W stands for "wonky"

Install Quicktime (it's free), set it up as the default application for .mov files and you shouldn't have any problem. I didn't, at any rate.

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Archie Valparaiso | 19 January 2009 - 11:38am

Name of shop...

... "The Waxing Lyrical".

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Nicodemus | 19 January 2009 - 3:58pm

Wittertainment.

Really enjoyed this. Only problem I can see is how much this is going to cost me over the year.

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katie79 (not verified) | 19 January 2009 - 6:23pm

Moving pictures

I copied the link into iTunes and it downloaded fairly quickly and plays fine in iTunes. But it won't play in Apple TV, though I think it did display one time only just one of the captions and not the shots of the shopowners.

If you do more, it would be great to see some short video clips of the groups you are talking about (maybe the sponsor could supply them) or that is not possible more close-up rostrum shots of the covers, the label and the actual records.

Also could other Word contributors pop into the shop with their favourite record? Or maybe, to continue a theme from the audio podcast, a record that is a favourite of their families. It would be fantastic to see some Charlie Kunz and James Last artwork again!

And in these tough times for retail how about inviting some of the great independent record store owners in to have a chat. You already know they have great stories to tell!

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russell123 | 19 January 2009 - 11:14pm

Your cinema reel...

...took roughly 10 minutes to download and played flawlessly in VLC.

I spent the first couple of minutes staring at the counter, thinking to myself: ‘That looks like a set, but surely they can’t have made their own pretend record shop.’ In fact Universal seem to have built you one that understands slapstick and starts to deconstruct at the point of maximum comic potential, in this case the moment David Hepworth utters the words: “...We'll do that as long as you build us a shop.”

In choosing a name, I’ve been unsuccessfully attempting to dredge-up songs with ‘Word’ featuring somewhere prominently in the title or the lyrics.

‘More than Words’ would be alright, if it wasn’t also the name of an execrable acoustic ballad by preening, poodle-permed 90s rockers Extreme.

The Cameo-referencing - ‘Word Up’ would require Ellen and Hepworth to don bright red codpieces – the favoured apparel of the group’s frontman, Larry Blackmon. Of course there’s a possibility that they are both already wearing such things, concealed behind the counter, and that provocative crotch armour of this variety constitutes a uniform in the WORD offices.

When it comes to naming things such as shops, children and Royal yachts, I favour the approach used by The Butthole Surfers: Whenever the time came to christen one of their albums they would string together three random words to create a title. Utilising this technique I have already come up with:

- Subatomic hose boil

- Sperm toast excursion

- Spiral garage bladder

- Projectile fiction bidet

All of these would be fine names for a record shop. Would Zavvi have gone out of business if they had traded under the name ‘Sumo Confetti Injury’?

I think not.

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backwards7 | 20 January 2009 - 5:23pm

No Show

Couldn't get it too work, I think it downloaded, but then vanished, who knows where the files gone. I heartily do not recommend Windows Vista to anyone. One day, I may be able to afford a Mac.

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David Wright | 20 January 2009 - 9:09pm

Worked perfectly, but...

Only took ten minutes or so to download, but, while I hate to gripe about something that is free, I don't see the need to make this a video. I found myself listening to it, rather than watching it.

It still rates as A Good Thing.

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JoLean | 20 January 2009 - 11:01pm

using what seems like a crappy

internet connection (compared to others of the massive) it took a lot longer to download than to watch. The point that it doesn't *need* to be visual is a good one. Of course, the idea of the sponsorship is, no doubt, that the scrolling doobiewotsit at the bottom won't work on the standard podcast, so what we get really is, an infomercial; presumably the lads are talking about stuff from the Universal back catalogue.

Don't get me wrong. If every infomercial was only a millionth of a percent as enjoyable as this, I'd have maxed out the credit card yonks ago.

As a podcast regular, this is just as good, but one *only* needs to listen to it, and I suspect that i may do that in the future. I won't tell Universal if you don't, but you might want to hide a few of the 'no need for visuals' comments before you go back for the next pile of wonga.

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ivan | 21 January 2009 - 11:38am

All fine - enjoyed it

Streamed using Windows Media Player, on a PC with Firefox and Windows Vista.

Can't see me watching it on an iPod..too small & not good for the old eyesight.

Enjoyed the usual jolly chuntering this morning on a more than dismal rainy day by the sea.

But the set looks hastily flung together! Looks like a lot of unsold 12" single covers stuck on the wall. The sort of thing you used to get from Woolies in the 49p bargain bin...ah those were the days. Can't Universal dip into their surely-still-deep-inspite-of-the-credit-crunch-on-top-of-illegal-downloads-destroying-the-music-industry-as-we-know-it (pause for breath) pockets and sponsor some more interesting album covers??

Look forward to the next instalment...

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fredspoons | 21 January 2009 - 11:58pm

worked fine

down loaded no prob, would be good to get in version for my Nokia 95 phone/windows media player.
enjoyed the chat snippets of music would be good for us who've never heard pentangle or steeleye span....

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Chris G | 22 January 2009 - 12:24am

good - could be better - my wishlist

liked it, but ...
a) infomercial claims (above) rung true at times - particularly during the crawling graphics. That's not a bad thing, necessarily - perhaps go the whole hog, and display price and availability. Honestly.
b) shot was slighty too wide. understand the logic behind having a locked off single camera (which presumably is a budgetary concern) but it's all about the eyes, and I couldn't really see them.
c) not enough visuals. Again, I assume this is budget, but some full frame shots of the sleeves or archive photo's would have made up for the static shot above.
d) can't you get a PPL license and play 30 second clips at least? You don't need it on the other two podcasts, but I think you do here.
e) the idea of a third person popping in (I think Rob F. was proposed above) is a very good one.

You could totally ignore points a) to e) above, and I would still watch it though.

Took around 8 mins to download. No problems. It is a bit chunky, but no more than iPlayer downloads, and a damn site easier to use.

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somerville | 22 January 2009 - 6:31pm

You're right; it's left

Loved the chat - you chaps are preaching to the converted with Pentangle and Fairport. The video and sound quality are excellent but either my computer audio is wired the wrong way round inside, or someone swapped your stereo channels: Ellen is on the right, Hepworth to the left – the opposite of the video.

I assumed it was the leads to my stereo until I plugged some headphones straight into the Mac and it was still wrong. Is this the same for everyone?

And is it an ironic reference to Patrick McGoohan's death or The Prisoner remake that my download doesn't have a name, only a number? (5b4e444a-3e16-0678-945a-4b3672c06ae1 to be exact).

It took around 35mins to download, using less than half of my otherwise idle 2Gb line speed.

Suggested shop name: The Needle and the Damage Done

(to customers' wallets, of course)

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BrianH | 23 January 2009 - 2:12am

Role reversal

Maybe they've fixed it but I get them right way round

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SpaceBoy | 26 January 2009 - 1:38am

My channels swapped as well

I found that the 3.5mm jack/phono cable I was using has red as left and white as right, which is the wrong way round. That's eBay for you.

The 200MB file downloaded in 3 minutes (10mbit/s line) and can be watched fine using iTunes. Doesn't work on the iPod though.

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Mark Godden | 2 February 2009 - 11:52pm

Maybe: Shenandoah Petsounds

Maybe: Shenandoah Petsounds Between the Lines of Age and the Promised Land

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Alex Rowe | 23 January 2009 - 11:28pm

took about 20 mins to download

I didn't finish watching it - not a big folk rock fan - well not from that era anyway and nothing that was said really got me interested. Keep 'em coming though - agree with some of the above comments - would like them to be more visual. Also a bit more variety in the content.

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badartdog | 25 January 2009 - 5:47pm

It is free after all...

At partner's house-using my laptop. My main browser is Chrome and that has major RSS probs, so switched for this to Firefox 3.05.

(edit: OS is XP SP 3)

This downloads fine, currently has about 18% done and is estimating 38 mins left on a ~55 kB/s wifi link.

Firefox offered to put the RSS link into its bookmarks, pasting the RSS into gives a link that opens the relevant page but doesn't fire up the actual video-should it ?

Will probably consider subscribing via iTunes as I do for other podcasts-only video sub at moment is S Fry, though I do dip into Clive James' excellent ones. Main reason is shortage of space, I have an 8Gb iPod chosen for size not capacity.

Expect to play it off laptop on long train trip tomorrow.

And re cost, would prefer sponsorship to paying-one reason I dropped Gervais after first series was cost.

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SpaceBoy | 25 January 2009 - 7:14pm

Good start

Took a while to download (probably my broadband - slow area connection), but had the name & sound & visuals & everything!

Agree that it's a bit lacking in the visual department - even loads of pictures from the CD booklets would be good. Could maybe use the visual props (i.e. record sleeves) to greater effect?

Strangely, I found Mark's occasional direct looks at camera slightly distracting: I prefer the idea (as per the uttterly superb audio podcast) that I'm eavesdropping into Two Blokes Talking, who don't know I'm there.

It's a gift for bringing in the former band members (or current members of the reformed bands), just to see them "in the flesh"! Just so long as Clare Grogan is in there somewhere, of course.

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Douglas | 28 January 2009 - 8:32pm

This isn't...

...being covertly road-tested as an alternative to the normal weekly podcast is it? I'm not a cynical person but I ask because I haven't got an iPod/alternative portable video player and, surely, there's only so much free recorded material a magazine can produce in a week.

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healthymonkey | 30 January 2009 - 1:50am

No

It's not.

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David Hepworth | 3 February 2009 - 4:09pm

Works fine here...

Could download a bit quicker - I suspect some of that's down to my ropey Internet connection but it does seem slower than other video downloads.

I'm not convinced about the format though - it just replicates the Podcast with pictures (I know, they said that about television as well).

Assuming this is a prototype of some hidden future project, of which we know nothing - perhaps a Saturday morning music version of Soccer Saturday on mainstream TV - then it works fine.

...but we knew that from the Podcast, or even back to the OGWT DVD commentaries (in hindsight, the proto-podcast)

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stimpy | 4 February 2009 - 10:31am

Did anyone else notice...

...how the fallen Clash poster miraculously reappeared on the end of the desk during the coda to the Shopcast?

As the banner advertising the The Pentangle box rolled across the screen, the missing Clash poster mysteriously faded back into place. Spooky!

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stimpy | 7 February 2009 - 3:26pm

Where is it?

Probably super dim question but it downloaded fine, I pulled it into iTunes and judging by the space usage when syncing it is there on the iPod - but I can't see how to view it! Is there a menu option I have accidentally hidden or something?

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Twangothan | 7 February 2009 - 9:07pm
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