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DAB hands....
Posted by Darkerbird on 7 June 2009 - 4:14pm.
Ok, I've decided to finally get a DAB radio, and you know what's coming! I would appreciate any tips or recommendations that you intelligent lot can throw my way. I'm looking to spend about £40-£70 and it will mainly be used in the kitchen (not sure if that makes any difference!?). Thanks in advance!
Paul
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I would recommend this model made by...
Sony.
I bought one recently and I'm very pleased with it... the sound isn't amazing (that's not to say that it's bad) but you get what you pay for. I listen to Radio 4 on it and John Humphreys comes over loud and clear.
I have that one too !!
It's a great little radio and available cheaper than 50 quid if you shop about a bit.
It may be a bit small for the kitchen though - I know that the Pure ones are supposed to be good but are over twice the price.
If you do want some portability though, then I'd definately go with the one Patrick recomended.
I have that one too
It is OK, but batteries last no time at all. I think this is because of the way DAB works - all that unencrypting and processing - so whatever you get make sure it can run off the mains or you will be forever recharging batteries or spendign a fortune on Duracells.
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It wouldn't let me use rechargeable batteries...
I recharged some after using them for a while (a very short time as you say) but the radio then refused to play. Normal batteries are fine.
This is a good site for buying cheap batteries:
http://www.budgetbatteries.co.uk/
Can I just add that your blog title is dead clever and funny.
that's all...
Pure
We've had a Pure Evoke 1 for five years. It is expensive, and we shelled out an extra £30 for the second speaker, but it's always been reliable and the quality is better than I've heard from any other radio.
Also, for the past year and a half we've had a Pure One in the bathroom. About £45 and worth spending the extra £40 for the charger pack. Serves well for my morning shave and shower, and good for listening to footie during a Saturday afternoon soak.
I expect you would find something decent for £50-60, but would recommend spending that bit extra.
Logik DAX101P - pink!
I got a pink one, with an aux in which I use to play my ipod through. It's pretty good and for £25 was definitely a good buy.
DAB as a dodo?
First of all: are you SURE you want a DAB radio? Isn't it a fatally flawed and limited product that's looking down the barrel of the extinction gun? Isn't internet radio the way forward?
In a flurry of excitement a couple of years ago I got a Pure Evoke 2xt and a Pure Oasis for the bathroom. I like them - stylish design, clear sound - but I find them very frustrating.
I can't get BBC London on either.
I can't seem to change the time on the Evoke - if I set it for 7am it wakes me up half way through the 7 o'clock news on the Today programme (so I have to set it for 6.59am - life's a bitch, eh?)
And the range of channels on both is actually disappointingly sparse.
Maybe I live in a DAB Bermuda Triangle (Northwest London?), but it just isn't the amazing new world that I'd hoped for.
Sorry if I'm bringing everybody down, man.
Not at all, man. Heavy DAB vibes here too.
I was going to post separately, but I'll do it as a seconding to yours.
Before you buy a DAB radio, check the reception where you expect to be using it. I'd always intended to get one myself until I had the kitchen redone a year or two back; the fitters turned up with one, and wasted the first half day trying to get reception before making their first cup of tea.
It seems that with DAB it's pretty much all or nothing, signal wise, and if you live in a poorly served area, they are a waste of time.
DAB reception
Unlike FM, where you can sometimes get away with an iffy but listenable signal, if you have a poor DAB signal, it's unlistenable - either through breaking up or just a total lack of reception.
In my valley there's no DAB at all (mind you, I don't get much of an FM signal here, either, nor a terrestrial TV signal for that matter)
Yep - depends where you live
Agreed, where we live you just need a tiny length of wire for a full signal and all the stations but when I drive to work I go through a couple of areas of very weak reception, when I used a temporary arial just after I changed car when I set off from home I had a full signal but lost reception completely a couple of times. Even with a proper arial I can't get a signal in the car park at work. In general though, having visted a lot of the country in the 5 or so years that I've had a DAB in the car, I would say that it's unusual to lose reception completely for more than a few minutes (although Dartmoor is particularly bad!)
Signals on Dartmoor.
When I were a young thrusting IT chappie, I had an Ericsson Explorer mobile phone.
It had an Indiana jones look-alike on the box it came in, a big rubber aerial that sat alongside the keypad (itself the size of half a paperback), and you flipped the aerial vertical to make a call. The network was entirely analogue. No 3G existed.
I stood on the top of Great Mis Tor chatting at length with my wife using that beast. Try that on a ruddy Blackberry! Hah!
and did you
call up Gary's Bit in the Middle?
DAB+
is now being broadcast in many European and Asian countries and is expected to come here in 2010.
Its' more efficient use of the multiplexes, better quality signal (AAC rather than MP2) and more robust reception characteristics suggest that it will likely supersede DAB.
DAB+ is not backward compatible with DAB...
I wouldn't replace my dab radio
with a new one I would strongly consider internet or what you can get via freeview.
I have a roberts which is perfectly ok but it has problems with reception in london sometimes.
Ps.
what about a second hand one?
bought The Mum
a wee Goodmans DAB about 6 years ago it was £90 but worth every penny as I inherited it, it still works (after a fashion) and I'm perfectly happy with the sound. I spent 2 weeks in hospital 3 years ago and it was a perfect companion.
Planet Rock, R4 and 2 that's all a man of my age needs
Don't waste your money
The BBC is the only reason to get a DAB radio - it doesn't make any money for anyone and the commercial stations are pumping loads of money into it but for scant reward.
Unless you desperately want 5 Live Sports Extra or 6 Music, there's precious little on there that you can't get elsewhere.
I recently moved from London to Brighton and am astounded at the paucity of stations now available. It's not the reception that's the problem, but the range.
I'm not knocking the BBC, because they do some great stuff on radio, but it's a bit of a rip-off and it's 10-20 seconds behind normal radio, so when you listen to the news, you're getting it second-hand, so to speak!
The range
It's the range that has me sold on DAB. It's OK if you live in London and FM stations are fighting for space but for the rest of us, once we get in the car, it's the BBC analog stations (including a local one) and a local commercial one and at a push Virgin but I'd need to be desperate to listen to that as well. With DAB we have an extra sports channel, 6Music, 1Xtra, Xfm and NME radio which all suit me, plus loads of others that I'm sure are very good at what they do which I've never listened to because of their name (kerrang springs to mind).
As far as the delay, well surely most of us have been used to that on the television for 20 years since home satellite TV was available.
Borrow someone's
The comments above are spot-on regarding reception. And you might not know until you get it home. I have a Pure Evoke 2 which works great in my office upstairs. But my Roberts one doesn't work downstairs. Likewise, I bought one for my Mum's kitchen and it got no reception.
Borrow a friend's just to check you can receive a decent signal cos the squeak of a failing DAB reception is unbearable.
Cheap & Cheerful
I was worried about reception quality of DAB, living at the foot of the North Downs in Kent, so I ended up with a cheap ALBA set £40 from Homebase. It worked sort of OK most of the time in the Kitchen, although the signal would occasionally break up, especially on BBC London. However, after installing a simple external aerial on the outside north facing wall, I have excellent reception (but no portability!).
I've now invested in a Wi-Fi radio for the rest of the house with no problems.
Pure
I've got about, er, 6 DAB radios - I'm an addict of 6Music, 5Live and 5Live Xtra - anyway, I've Sony, Roberts, Another make I can't remember and 3 different Pure models.
By an absolute country mile the Pure Evoke ones are the best - the Sony is fine apart from the user interface is rubbish - tuning and station selection is pants, though once you've selected what you want, it's good.
The Roberts is OK for Sound, and OK for user ease, but not outstanding at either.
The one who's name I forget is a bit unreliable and fiddly to use
The Pure Evokes have the best sound, the best ease of use and alright they cost 80 quid, and all the others were cheaper, but in terms of VFM, they win hands down.
If DAB is ever turned off by the Man, I'll have the start of a museum collection, at least.
DAB - Think before you jump.
I live in the Peak District, I have great reception on the side of the hill but 200 yards on the valley floor nothing. If you want the best reception an external aerial is generally the way to go. This is a very simple dipole which you can buy for a fiver.
In the car this is a problem, I think generally where ever you are the reception will drop in and out. The Pure car model comes with a stick on aerial but to minimise the drop out problem you again do require a bespoke external car aerial.
I use a E bay special Pure tuner with an external aerial and get 100% signal on Radio 5 and Extra, superb for football but I would suggest you think about why you need one.
In car Blue Spot is OK
As I briefly mentioned above, I've had a car DAB for over 5 years, it's a Blaupunkt that I use with a glass mounted ariel - one bit inside and one bit outside (I don't know how they work without any direct contact - I think it may be the work of the devil!) and I've come across very few areas of no reception.
FM - it's the future!
We don't have any portable DAB radios but we have 5 fixed ones and the Sky Box and the Freeview box, all capable of producing an output for the Belkin FM transmitter that was intended for use in the car for ipods etc. It happily transmits whatever we want to listen to (ie anything that can be played through the hifi) and we can tune in on any old FM radio at the bottom of the garden - it may not be top quality but nor are lots of DAB portables and the total cost (including a power supply) was about £15.
Wow, thanks for all the
Wow, thanks for all the comments! I did guess that the signal issue would raise its' head. I live in Worthing in the south coast, so the comments by Robram are very interesting. I guess a PURE radio will be the one, although I did spot a 'Kitchen DAB radio' on a John Lewis site which did make my mouth water slightly! Thanks again!
DAB in the car
Anyone recommend one for the car?
Blaupunkt
As I mentioned above, I've got a Blaupunkt that I've been very happy with for about 5 years. My wife got the Blaupunkt Nashville DAB35 a couple of years back and that's even better, the main improvement is the ability to record stuff on the SD card so you can be listening to a programme when you leave the car and record the end of it so you can listen when you return. Both have auxillary sockets for plugging in mp3 players and with a few accessories you can control an ipod through steering wheel mounted controls. I can recommend the site bluespot.co.uk for their excellent service and competitive prices.
I use one of the glass mounted arials which means than I just have to run the cable to the rear window and find a spot that doesn't have any heating element nearby and it works very well, with a small kit I successfully and very easily transferred it to another car as well.
Thanks
Model looks great, I'll have to have a root round the net to find how easy they go into the car.
I'd probably go for an external aerial but I'm useless electrics wise, so I'd have to see how thet fit.
I know DAB's comapred to betamax with the advent of net and tv box, but I listen to it a lot and I'm in the car for far too long.
It's easy
With most cars these days you don't really need much knowledge. You can get adaptors to go from your wiring loom to the block on the back of the radio. The basic rule of thumb is that if there's an adaptor available (and they're easily found) then you will need one unless you're willing to cut and join wires. If there's no adaptor available you should be able to just plug in. I've found that the hardest part can be working out which removal tool I need to use to get the old radio out!
You're spot on.
The passat is a bloody nightmare, getting the first one was an absolute joy. Sheer bloodymindedness achieved it.
Gonna root around for one next week.
Buy one from John Lewis
You can take it back if the reception is an issue. Mine has a ipod dock which is dead handy and the remote uses the ipod menu fully (most don't). Its an Eton but they are about £100. Nice though.
John Lewis is definitely the place
I bought a Roberts DAB Portable from there and took it back after about 3 months (disappointed with battery life and general poor quality). They were a bit miffed that I'd had it so long - but they gave me my money back. Like most people say DAB's still not the real deal - FM is still better if the reception's good.