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Crosswords anyone?

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On Monday I was struck with a particularly heavy dose of manful, so spent the day tucked up in my bed. I'm fine now, thanks for asking, but the good news is it gave me time to finish off the Guardian cryptic crossword for the first time in a while.

Now it was a Monday, when the crosswords are traditionally easier, and was but one of the more user-friendly setters, but I was still pretty pleased with myself.

I can polish off the Telegraph’s effort a couple of times a week, but struggle with most other of the quality papers.

It’s not really very rock ‘n’ roll, but a crossword, a cold Budvar, the family out for a couple of hours, and the turntable warming nicely, is for me a great midweek night in.

Anyone else here do cryptic crosswords, or have I just become hopelessly middle aged?

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Just The Observer

On a Sunday evening we like to pass the Observer crossword back and forth. We also like to do them on holiday, if we can find a suitable English paper. It always seems to be easier to get the Telegraph abroad, which has the benefit of usually being a bit easier than The Guardian. But the European Guardian is found from time to time.
I used to do the Guardian everyday in the late 80's / early nineties on my way home from work. On a couple of occasions I found myself sitting next to someone else doing it. I liked the feeling of superiority as I filled in clues as the person next to me stared blankly. I also recall the sense of failure as I struggled and the guy next to me sailed blithely through. I stopped when I started biking to work
These days I'm back on public transport put now prefer to read a book. When I do look at crosswords I find I'm not as familiar with the conventions and find them a lot harder than I used to.
Occasionally I'd finish one. I inherited my interest from my mother who used to do those one's with no black squares in The Sunday Times. She even won a prize a couple of times.

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Carl Parker | 6 November 2009 - 6:58pm

I quite like

getting manful

tee hee

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James Blast | 6 November 2009 - 7:04pm

And that explains why I

And that explains why I don't finish them as often as I'd like

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IanP | 6 November 2009 - 7:09pm

Saturday Telegraph and Times, Sunday Times

I do them every weekend. The prize ones on Saturday in the Times and Telegraph are the easiest of the week (and I don’t really have time during the week anyway). I do them with my Mum, collaborating over the phone, swapping ones we’ve got etc. - got into the habit a couple of years ago as it’s a good way of making sure I phone on a regular basis. We usually manage to finish them. Also do them on holiday with friends we always go away with. Don’t really bother doing them on my own - it‘s more enjoyable, and of course easier, doing them with other people because you pool different areas of knowledge etc. My favourite’s the Jumbo one in the Saturday Times weekend section.

p.s. oh and if you’re stuck and want to cheat this site should see you right: but remember, you’re only cheating yourself. http://www.crosswordsolver.org/

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Richard Lowe | 6 November 2009 - 7:23pm

Araucaria.

Bastard.

Respect.

You have to persevere until you have deconstructed the compiler's tricky, wicked, twisted, devilish and devious mind-set. Then you can move on to the really sick ones. They must have scaly skin, or prickly trunks, these freaks.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 6 November 2009 - 7:33pm

Guardian for me

I honestly think the best surprise that I've found on the web this year is that all Guardian Crosswords, including the Observer Everyman and Azed, can be dowloaded. I don't like the Telegraph grids (no long clues which can crack a whole puzzle), but The Times is good. Now that the Observer is unreadable this means I don't have to buy it for the Crossword.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crossword/
While we're here, I remember an Araucaria clue from several years back which read 'Phenomenal moralist transforms Presbyterians' Thanks to some filled in clues I cracked the anagram and discovered to my delight that Presbyterians is an anagram of Britney Spears, but I still don't understand the definition part of the clue. Anyone?

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Gatz | 6 November 2009 - 7:39pm

I think I can solve this

The clue must have read something like "phenomenal moralists transformed Britney Spears"

And in answer to the OP, we love cryptic crosswords too, and are in no way middle aged. Erm. At all.

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Theo Zoffrok | 6 November 2009 - 7:48pm

My favourite ever clue

“... i,j,k,l,m,n ...” (5 letters)

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Richard Lowe | 6 November 2009 - 7:55pm

My favourite ever clue

Can I give it away yet?

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Billybob Dylan | 6 November 2009 - 8:28pm

H to O

Water....?

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nicktf | 6 November 2009 - 9:55pm
milkybarnick | 7 November 2009 - 12:40am

And here's the third

These two clues above were unveiled to me some years back in a brain-teasing triumvirate, so I would feel remiss if I didn't proffer the third:

ggse (9,4)

On another tack: I remember reading that George Cole taught Dennis Waterman to do the Times crossword during slack periods on the Minder set.

From which evidence I'm tempted to say, although I've never met Mr Waterman, that if he can do it, anyone can.

EDIT Aaah, this morning I see that this clue already appears further down the page - which suggests that the First Law Of Word should be 'never post a comment after a) midnight and b) merlot'.

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Vernier Caliper | 7 November 2009 - 11:33am

Here's the answer to e(11)

it's senselessness.

Except it should be e(13) because I can't count. Sorry...

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milkybarnick | 8 November 2009 - 12:40am

alternative answer to e (11)

exponential. Makes senses and its the right number of letters!

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Stephen G | 9 November 2009 - 12:34pm

Now I feel even more at home

I've been doing The Observer's Everyman crossword whenever I can for about a decade now. But, not until this year and persuaded by a likeminded friend who is much braver than I am, have I attempted The Times crossword. I've been sort of becoming steadily addicted throughout the year, and even virtually completing it once - with my friend, naturally - and feeling unbelievably pleased with myself when it goes well.

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Lucas Hare | 6 November 2009 - 8:00pm

The Polymath

I'm rather fond of the Financial Times Polymath crossword on a Saturday. It improves the mind. Probably.

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duco01 | 6 November 2009 - 8:04pm

Ok, this is embarrassing

but I'm very hooked - for about three years now - to the Grauniad's quick crossword. And my completion rate is about 40%. Please stop sneering now...

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Mr Fade | 6 November 2009 - 8:04pm

me too

quickies as are as good as it gets for me - feel a warm glow when I manage to finish one - can't do cryptics to save my life

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Sheev | 7 November 2009 - 10:47pm

For scatalogical fun

Private Eye is a bi-monthly treat.

Cryptics are great - so much more involving than the quicks, where generally you either immediately know the answer or you don't.

My "training" in cryptic crosswords was with the Guardian (still the best) but I remember the first time I tried the legendary Times crossword and being amazed at how easy it was in comparison to the Grauniad's efforts.

Apart from that Araucaria scunner, of course.

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LuxExterior | 6 November 2009 - 8:05pm

I don't allow such puzzles in our house

We don't want a crossword between us.

You are only middle aged when you buy a King's Singers CD, as I did this week.

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Beany | 6 November 2009 - 8:51pm

I used to do the Guardian

I think I only ever managed to complete one Auracaria in 20 years or so. I was more a Janus and Rufus man, me.

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Archie Valparaiso | 6 November 2009 - 8:52pm

Minor claim to fame

Frank Blakesley, Janus, lived a few doors down from us when I was growing up in Chester.

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Carl Parker | 6 November 2009 - 11:54pm

Never finished an Auracaria

Never finished an Auracaria in 20-odd years, but Rufus is a finisher - he was the setter on Monday that I finished.

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IanP | 7 November 2009 - 2:28pm

Never finished an Auracaria

Never finished an Auracaria in 20-odd years, but Rufus is a finisher - he was the setter on Monday that I finished.

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IanP | 7 November 2009 - 2:28pm

Stuck

I was stuck on the last clue on a crossword last night. The clue was 'overloaded postman'.

How many letters you ask?

F*****G hundreds! I'll get my coat.

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Lunaman | 6 November 2009 - 8:55pm

The Listener.

In The Times on a Saturday. Every week I look at the instructions and don't understand them. Then I look at the previous week's solution and don't understand that either. People do the crossword every week, though. They probably have no friends.

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Lenny Law | 6 November 2009 - 9:19pm

I went down to the crossword

Fell down on my knees
I went down to the crossword
Fell down on my knees
Asked the Lord above for mercy
Save me if you please.

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stimpy | 6 November 2009 - 9:27pm

Perhaps that's where...

"that was a devilishly-difficult crossword" comes from.

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Patrick Crowther | 6 November 2009 - 9:35pm

Times Jumbo for me...

...It's a family tradition, usually at Christmas when we get together. Dad and I can always break it, never fully completed one on my own though.

Used to do the daily at work, it would be a rare and happy day if I completed it though

Can have a good stab at the Guardian from time to time.

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nicktf | 6 November 2009 - 9:36pm

Gegs

(9,4)

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Stan Halen | 6 November 2009 - 11:59pm

Too easy

Scrambled eggs

Araucuria's finest (this one was topical when it was published):
Poetical location finds surprisingingly chaste Lord Archer vegetating (3,3,8,12)
And Bunthorne's
Amundsen's forwarding address (4)

Bunthorne (Granada Reports journalist Bob Smithies) used to be an occaisional customer when I worked at Waterstone's in Lancaster. Grumpy old sod he was too.

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Gatz | 7 November 2009 - 12:47am

Bunthorne

I always thought that he was the toughest of the Guardian's crossword compilers. Even a crossword wiz like my Mum found him difficult.

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Carl Parker | 7 November 2009 - 5:24pm

I agree

I have a book of Bunthorne crosswords and have only completed one without cheating. His range of reference is part of the reason, but I also think he was occaisionally unfair in the tenses and other subsidiary clue parts.
I anyone is still puzzling over the two clues above, the Araucuria is 'The Old Vicarage Grantchester' (Home of Rupert Brooke, setting of 'and is there honey still for tea...' and more recently home of Lord Archer. Its also an anagram of 'surprsingly chaste...', and was where Archer holed up in the aftermath of that unfortunate business with the prostitute and the bag of money.)
The Bunthorne clue is 'Mush'. When asked why he chose Amundsen rather than Scott Bunthorne explained that it was because Amundsen used sled-dogs, so otherwise the clue would have been misleading.
Anyone interested in crosswords and their compilers is directed to Sandy Balfour's book 'Pretty Girl in Crimson Rose(8)'.

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Gatz | 7 November 2009 - 5:41pm

Thanks all

This is great, I wasn't sure I would get such an enthusiastic response to crosswords.

I feel even more at home here now, and I'll certainly know where to come tomorrow if I get stuck on the Observer.

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IanP | 7 November 2009 - 3:08pm

Word Crossword words

Rufus is da man! Comes up with one or more gems in every puzzle. When the Grauniad opened up its Xwords site for free I went though the archives and printed off every Rufus since 1999. I like to live life on the edge.

I can recommend to solvers whatever the level of proficiency - have a look at http://fifteensquared.net/ - a very good site run by erudite cruciverbalists who provide daily commentary and analysis of the Indie, Guardian/Observer, FT and Eye cryptics.

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Donald McTroosers | 8 November 2009 - 3:25pm
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