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Creative peaks over the age of 40

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Has any band or musician hit their creative peak over the age of 40? I can't think of any. When Macca releases a new album it will often be described as "his best work since Band On The Run", same with a new Bowie album and Scary Monsters. But no one would dare say they were anything close to equalling the creative heights of their youth.

But has anyone ever bucked that trend? And held off their creative high point until middle life. And I don't mean "well I think the Travelling Willbury's is a nice listen", I mean actually outdoing the works of their younger selves. Or is the decline in talent inevitable from aged 25 onwards. Any suggestions to refute this welcome. In fact Pulp's 'Different Class' is the only career peak from over thirties that springs to mind.

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Tom

Waits

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Stuart Graham | 9 August 2009 - 8:59pm

Richard Thompson

seems to grow as a performer & writer as each decade passes.
Similarly Loudon Wainwright III.

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Adman | 9 August 2009 - 9:05pm

Indeed

I would suggest that the very best do- the ones that aren't burnt out by that first flush of suck cess.

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Stuart Graham | 9 August 2009 - 9:07pm

I'd say you were more likely to

find them outside of the mainstream - just on the fringes.
Folk, jazz, blues, country probably holds many fine examples.
Agree about Waits, btw, although I love his early stuff...

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Adman | 9 August 2009 - 9:11pm

I think his onstage performances are better than ever...

but I think his best records are possibly behind him now. That is not a criticism, he's provided me with more entertainment over the years than any other musician...

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Patrick Crowther | 9 August 2009 - 9:11pm

Yep...

'Mock Tudor' is the one I go back to of the relatively recent run of albums.

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Adman | 9 August 2009 - 9:34pm

bedraggled

Nick Cave too is maturing into a very seasoned songwriter and there is always Mr Cohen- not to labour a point but early success does seem to bedraggle it's victims somewhat.

Or is it only miserable bastards that escape?

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Stuart Graham | 9 August 2009 - 9:30pm

Would agree

that Tom Waits and Nick Cave have produced albums well into their 40's which are at least as worthy as anything which has gone before. I would also add Mark Oliver Everett who released Blinking Lights And Other Revelations at 42 years of age which for me is one of two best albums of his career.

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Steerpike | 9 August 2009 - 9:30pm

Thumbs up for the Eels man!

Love Blinking Lights...
What's the other one?

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Adman | 9 August 2009 - 9:36pm

Electro Shock Blues

IMHO!

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Steerpike | 9 August 2009 - 9:40pm

Cheers

Will check to see if you are right! :-)

*Edit* Downloaded ESB from iTunes for a bargain £5.99 - an excellent record. Current fave 'My descent into madness' So... I concur. Thanks for putting me onto it.

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Adman | 12 August 2009 - 6:42pm

Pleased to be of service

I love the way E incorporates toy instruments, string passages, loops etc on these earlier albums and miss them on his latest - Hombre Lobo. ESB is often regarded as very dark but I don't find it so - poignant, yes.

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Steerpike | 13 August 2009 - 7:22am

Madness

Their new album has been one of the best of the year so far.

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el hombre malo | 9 August 2009 - 9:43pm

True...

But not a patch on Absolutely or The Rise and Fall

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Six Dog | 10 August 2009 - 9:48am

I think it's the best thing they've done since

the first album

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stimpy | 10 August 2009 - 11:50am

Leonard

Cohen. Also one of the few artist whose 80's/90's/00's output is superior to that of his 60's and 70's.

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Dr.Pill | 9 August 2009 - 9:45pm

I Love Len

But that's a bold claim. I did think recently of starting a thread about artists who have been around forever, recorded many brilliant albums but never quite surpassed their very first record. For me, the Hallelujah Hitmaker is the classic example. 'Songs of Leonard Cohen' is his very best album.

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Steerpike | 9 August 2009 - 9:54pm

More (mostly) without beards.

Lucinda Williams : "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road" - she'll have been 45 when that came out, and I think it's her best.

Miles Davis - everything after May 66 qualifies here, so while there are arguments to be had over the relative importance of the electric years, "In A Silent Way", "On The Corner" and "Bitches Brew" were pretty damn good.

Charles Mingus - 41 when he released "Black Saint & The Sinner Lady". A towering achievement.

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el hombre malo | 9 August 2009 - 10:04pm

Blondie

Debbie Harry and Chris Stein weren't exactly spring chickens...

Currently Goldfrapp aren't the youngest of groups, with Alison Goldfrapp being 43, and Will Gregory nearly 50.

And Weller's last album was one of the best solo albums he's done by far and away.

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SimonL | 10 August 2009 - 12:04am

Now that's news to me!

And Seventh Tree is an absolute nailed-on gem. Good call, Mr L.

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Lenny Law | 13 August 2009 - 7:38am

Norma Waterson...

was 60 before she released her first album which was nominated for the Mercury. According to the judges at the time, it came down to a choice between that album and Pulp's Different Class. For my money, her second album was better.

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pdcawley | 10 August 2009 - 5:21am

I think 'Siberia'

by Echo and the Bunnymen is as good as anything they have done in the dim amd distant. 'Evergreen' came out when they were regarded as well past it and that is great also.

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Richard Raftery | 10 August 2009 - 6:57am

Music in a foreign language

by Lloyd Cole outshines his 80s output. It is one of the best albums ever made, I think. Great tunes, absolutely hearbreaking lyrics, fantastic singing. Understated arrangements. Beautiful stuff. The follow up, 'Antidepressant' is nearly as good.

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Adman | 10 August 2009 - 8:10am

In Rainbows...

great record - by a band who continue to push the boundaries of modern music.

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Formbyman | 10 August 2009 - 8:13am

Absolutely... in fact I think it's their best album to date...

full of great tunes that burst with mystery and imagination.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 August 2009 - 8:19am

Good call!

But *gets all sensitive about his age* Radiohead ain't quite in their 40s - I know this cos they are the same age as me! Give them another year or so!
(Totally irrelevant to your point, which I agree with - but when I got up this morning everything hurt!!)

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Adman | 10 August 2009 - 8:26am

Thom Yorke is 40...

as he's older than I am and I reached that milestone (millstone?) in April.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 August 2009 - 8:30am

He must have been telling fibs early on then!?

Praps I'm thinking of J.Greenwood - he's the baby of the outfit, isn't he?
(Congrats on the millstone - mine's next Feb...)

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Adman | 10 August 2009 - 8:40am

I just checked...

Thom Yorke and Colin Greenwood are 40. Ed O'Brien is 41. Phil Selway is 42. Jonny Greenwood is the baby - he's 37.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 August 2009 - 8:47am

That's remarkable...

In pop terms they were over the hill when they made OK Computer - it explains their attitude - a bit of maturity in the face of all the usual rock and roll BS!

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Adman | 10 August 2009 - 8:56am

Richard Hawley?

After years of underachievement and dossing about in Fagins, he finally hit his stride at the reasonably ripe age of 38 with Coles Corner and imo been getting better both as alive performer and recording artist ever since.

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Sebastian Beach | 10 August 2009 - 8:47am

Kevin Ayers

The Unfairground is suprisingly good, up there with the best of his 70's output, in my opinion. Also, Robert Wyatt's Shleep is one of his very best works.

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RobertC | 10 August 2009 - 9:52am

Andy Partridge and Kate Bush

were both over 40 when they did Apple Venus Vol1 and Aerial respectively both peaks IMO

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MrRadio | 10 August 2009 - 9:55am

I haven't heard 'Apple Venus Vol.1'...

but 'Aerial' is her masterpiece*.

* apart from 'Bertie', which is rubbish.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 August 2009 - 11:27am

I think

Aerial is wonderful, particularly 'A Sky of Honey', but for me Hounds of Love remains her masterpiece - better songs on Side 1 and in 'The Ninth Wave' a concept suite which is at least as good as 'SoH'.

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Black Type | 10 August 2009 - 11:53am

Johnny Cash

As good as his early stuff was I think the American Recordings was the longest run of consistently great records in his career.
Also Mark Knopfler - all of his solo albums are better than his Dire Straits stuff and all were made after he turned 40.

Admittedly not in the commercial big league but Tom Russell,Gretchen Peters, Chuck Prophet and JJ Cale are all artists still making strong records now in fact I think the last JJ Cale album was his best since Troubadour.

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Steve Turner | 10 August 2009 - 11:47am

Excellent Choices Mr Radio & Mr Crowther

I'd forgotten these (!)... Going to give them a spin right now.

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RobertC | 10 August 2009 - 2:09pm

The Go-Betweens

Robert Forster and the much-missed Grant McLennan were 48 and 47 years old respectively when "Oceans Apart", the greatest Go-Betweens album of them all, was released. Well, it's my favourite, anyway.

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duco01 | 13 August 2009 - 7:34am

Oh, defintely...

When I heard 'Finding You' for the first time I realised what had been missing from all those post-Bill Berry REM albums. Oceans Apart is a stunner.

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Adman | 13 August 2009 - 10:36am

Tom and Andy and Randy and Levon

Tom Waits and Andy Partridge as mentioned above

Also RANDY NEWMAN still writes great songs, and thankfully gives himself time till he's got something good before he records and releases stuff.

And love the new stuff from LEVON HELM - singing and playing drums together, great FEEL.

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Mousey | 13 August 2009 - 11:12am

Emmylou Harris´ Red Dirt Girl

For my money it´s her best.

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Ola Claesson | 13 August 2009 - 11:22am

Nick Lowe

While he wrote many cracking tunes as a youngster, The Brentford Trilogy is at least equal in quality to his very best work and outshines his earlier efforts in terms of the sheer consistancy of the song writing.

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Andy Lynes | 13 August 2009 - 11:46am
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