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Creative peaks over the age of 40
Has any band or musician hit their creative peak over the age of 40? I can't think of any. When Macca releases a new album it will often be described as "his best work since Band On The Run", same with a new Bowie album and Scary Monsters. But no one would dare say they were anything close to equalling the creative heights of their youth.
But has anyone ever bucked that trend? And held off their creative high point until middle life. And I don't mean "well I think the Travelling Willbury's is a nice listen", I mean actually outdoing the works of their younger selves. Or is the decline in talent inevitable from aged 25 onwards. Any suggestions to refute this welcome. In fact Pulp's 'Different Class' is the only career peak from over thirties that springs to mind.
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Tom
Waits
Richard Thompson
seems to grow as a performer & writer as each decade passes.
Similarly Loudon Wainwright III.
Indeed
I would suggest that the very best do- the ones that aren't burnt out by that first flush of suck cess.
I'd say you were more likely to
find them outside of the mainstream - just on the fringes.
Folk, jazz, blues, country probably holds many fine examples.
Agree about Waits, btw, although I love his early stuff...
I think his onstage performances are better than ever...
but I think his best records are possibly behind him now. That is not a criticism, he's provided me with more entertainment over the years than any other musician...
Yep...
'Mock Tudor' is the one I go back to of the relatively recent run of albums.
bedraggled
Nick Cave too is maturing into a very seasoned songwriter and there is always Mr Cohen- not to labour a point but early success does seem to bedraggle it's victims somewhat.
Or is it only miserable bastards that escape?
Would agree
that Tom Waits and Nick Cave have produced albums well into their 40's which are at least as worthy as anything which has gone before. I would also add Mark Oliver Everett who released Blinking Lights And Other Revelations at 42 years of age which for me is one of two best albums of his career.
Thumbs up for the Eels man!
Love Blinking Lights...
What's the other one?
Electro Shock Blues
IMHO!
Cheers
Will check to see if you are right! :-)
*Edit* Downloaded ESB from iTunes for a bargain £5.99 - an excellent record. Current fave 'My descent into madness' So... I concur. Thanks for putting me onto it.
Pleased to be of service
I love the way E incorporates toy instruments, string passages, loops etc on these earlier albums and miss them on his latest - Hombre Lobo. ESB is often regarded as very dark but I don't find it so - poignant, yes.
Madness
Their new album has been one of the best of the year so far.
True...
But not a patch on Absolutely or The Rise and Fall
I think it's the best thing they've done since
the first album
Leonard
Cohen. Also one of the few artist whose 80's/90's/00's output is superior to that of his 60's and 70's.
I Love Len
But that's a bold claim. I did think recently of starting a thread about artists who have been around forever, recorded many brilliant albums but never quite surpassed their very first record. For me, the Hallelujah Hitmaker is the classic example. 'Songs of Leonard Cohen' is his very best album.
More (mostly) without beards.
Lucinda Williams : "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road" - she'll have been 45 when that came out, and I think it's her best.
Miles Davis - everything after May 66 qualifies here, so while there are arguments to be had over the relative importance of the electric years, "In A Silent Way", "On The Corner" and "Bitches Brew" were pretty damn good.
Charles Mingus - 41 when he released "Black Saint & The Sinner Lady". A towering achievement.
Blondie
Debbie Harry and Chris Stein weren't exactly spring chickens...
Currently Goldfrapp aren't the youngest of groups, with Alison Goldfrapp being 43, and Will Gregory nearly 50.
And Weller's last album was one of the best solo albums he's done by far and away.
Now that's news to me!
And Seventh Tree is an absolute nailed-on gem. Good call, Mr L.
Norma Waterson...
was 60 before she released her first album which was nominated for the Mercury. According to the judges at the time, it came down to a choice between that album and Pulp's Different Class. For my money, her second album was better.
I think 'Siberia'
by Echo and the Bunnymen is as good as anything they have done in the dim amd distant. 'Evergreen' came out when they were regarded as well past it and that is great also.
Music in a foreign language
by Lloyd Cole outshines his 80s output. It is one of the best albums ever made, I think. Great tunes, absolutely hearbreaking lyrics, fantastic singing. Understated arrangements. Beautiful stuff. The follow up, 'Antidepressant' is nearly as good.
In Rainbows...
great record - by a band who continue to push the boundaries of modern music.
Absolutely... in fact I think it's their best album to date...
full of great tunes that burst with mystery and imagination.
Good call!
But *gets all sensitive about his age* Radiohead ain't quite in their 40s - I know this cos they are the same age as me! Give them another year or so!
(Totally irrelevant to your point, which I agree with - but when I got up this morning everything hurt!!)
Thom Yorke is 40...
as he's older than I am and I reached that milestone (millstone?) in April.
He must have been telling fibs early on then!?
Praps I'm thinking of J.Greenwood - he's the baby of the outfit, isn't he?
(Congrats on the millstone - mine's next Feb...)
I just checked...
Thom Yorke and Colin Greenwood are 40. Ed O'Brien is 41. Phil Selway is 42. Jonny Greenwood is the baby - he's 37.
That's remarkable...
In pop terms they were over the hill when they made OK Computer - it explains their attitude - a bit of maturity in the face of all the usual rock and roll BS!
Richard Hawley?
After years of underachievement and dossing about in Fagins, he finally hit his stride at the reasonably ripe age of 38 with Coles Corner and imo been getting better both as alive performer and recording artist ever since.
Kevin Ayers
The Unfairground is suprisingly good, up there with the best of his 70's output, in my opinion. Also, Robert Wyatt's Shleep is one of his very best works.
Andy Partridge and Kate Bush
were both over 40 when they did Apple Venus Vol1 and Aerial respectively both peaks IMO
I haven't heard 'Apple Venus Vol.1'...
but 'Aerial' is her masterpiece*.
* apart from 'Bertie', which is rubbish.
I think
Aerial is wonderful, particularly 'A Sky of Honey', but for me Hounds of Love remains her masterpiece - better songs on Side 1 and in 'The Ninth Wave' a concept suite which is at least as good as 'SoH'.
Johnny Cash
As good as his early stuff was I think the American Recordings was the longest run of consistently great records in his career.
Also Mark Knopfler - all of his solo albums are better than his Dire Straits stuff and all were made after he turned 40.
Admittedly not in the commercial big league but Tom Russell,Gretchen Peters, Chuck Prophet and JJ Cale are all artists still making strong records now in fact I think the last JJ Cale album was his best since Troubadour.
Excellent Choices Mr Radio & Mr Crowther
I'd forgotten these (!)... Going to give them a spin right now.
The Go-Betweens
Robert Forster and the much-missed Grant McLennan were 48 and 47 years old respectively when "Oceans Apart", the greatest Go-Betweens album of them all, was released. Well, it's my favourite, anyway.
Oh, defintely...
When I heard 'Finding You' for the first time I realised what had been missing from all those post-Bill Berry REM albums. Oceans Apart is a stunner.
Tom and Andy and Randy and Levon
Tom Waits and Andy Partridge as mentioned above
Also RANDY NEWMAN still writes great songs, and thankfully gives himself time till he's got something good before he records and releases stuff.
And love the new stuff from LEVON HELM - singing and playing drums together, great FEEL.
Emmylou Harris´ Red Dirt Girl
For my money it´s her best.
Nick Lowe
While he wrote many cracking tunes as a youngster, The Brentford Trilogy is at least equal in quality to his very best work and outshines his earlier efforts in terms of the sheer consistancy of the song writing.