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Having just posted my thoughts on the podcast going subscriber only, my thoughts turned to the cover cd.

With the cost of producing it in cd format and the bulk, would it not be wiser to create this as a download and how it important is it to continue with this?

Just throwing it out there as a discussion point.

Podcast wise, I understand the reasoning, but I think one of the mag's greatest marketing benefits has now gone.

15 minute samplers are ok, but potential new readers will just think I can't be bothered with an extract.

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I believe the cost of the CD is included in the cover price.

I'm guessing a CD cover mount is still regarded as important for selling the magazine from the news-stand, as most of the other Rock & Pop monthlies still persevere with them too.

As a reader of several other Rock and Pop publications I could do without more free plastic in my back room to be honest.
It used to be really exciting when NME or Record Mirror attached a free 7" or a flexidisc to the cover. Now, every magazine does it every month, just another one for the enormous pile, although at least The Word one has new stuff on it.

Don't want to do 'Magic' out of a job but I'd like to see 'Now Hear This' become a page of downloads offered on the website instead, with all the recommended tracks on separate section of this Word site that you can add up arrows and comment on the songs you like..make it interactive. Great feedback for the labels who want to promote their acts too. I'd be much more likely to listen to them that way. Preview each track, download the ones you want for keeps and maybe there are links through to where to buy the LP from.
I presume the tracks are offered by the labels for free, and the cost is just the cost of manufacturing the disc/printing the sleeve so financially not an issue?

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Dr Volume | 14 November 2011 - 2:00am

I like the idea of interactivity

But I'm also pretty lazy and utterly saturated with music and other media all competing for my attention.

I get the CD, stick it into iTunes and rip it on the spot. I'll get round to listening at some stage on the go or in bed or whenever. It could be months before I realise it's full of gems, but I get there eventually.

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daddyorchipsblog | 14 November 2011 - 2:30am

Podcast?

There's a podcast?

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Burt Kocain | 14 November 2011 - 3:40am

Magazine?

There's a magazine?

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Sting Ono | 14 November 2011 - 8:22am

CD

Personally speaking, I still like to receive the CD with the magazine. If they're were a download option, I would probably forget to download it, or not even bother. Each to their own though.

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David Wright | 14 November 2011 - 8:51am

Very quickly

The CD is on the cover because we think it provides value, because we think it's good, and because of the uplift in sales it provides to the issue it appears on. As for providing a download alternative, that's a tough one. First, because downloads generally don't help sales. Second, because record companies are much less likely to provide a licence in the first place. And thirdly because it's technologically pretty difficult to manage and not particularly user-friendly - each individual copy of magazine would need its own individual download code each month, and so on.

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Fraser Lewry | 14 November 2011 - 9:02am

Spin Magazine

in the USA do it by just having a single download link to I-tunes each month. Of course the problem is that freeloaders like myself can then just download the tracks without buying the magazine. No great loss to them because I dont think you can get Spin in the UK (certainly not in Bradford), but it would not achieve the aim of encouraging people to buy the Word.

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paulwright | 14 November 2011 - 6:15pm

very roughly....

..... how much of the magazines cover price, does the cd cost me ?

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mojitojoe | 14 November 2011 - 9:08am

I'm nothing to do with the magazine...

... but from my time in the trade, material cost of the CD will probably be 15-20p, though who knows the negotiating power of Planet Word...? Licensing cost for the tracks is another moveable feast, though bearing in mind that every track gets a half-page ad for its accompanying album in the magazine, I suspect an amount of horsetrading goes on and it's probably self-funding.

As for physical CD vs. download, it's all about "perceived value", which for a download is patently zilch, whereas a CD still has some residual value attached to it, if only as something to give to a pal or the charity shop after you've ripped it to iTunes...

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Metal Mickey | 14 November 2011 - 10:03am

"Every track gets a half-page ad for its accompanying album"

No they don't. Some of the artists on the CD (it averages out at three or four each month) will choose to advertise - they're plugging new releases, after all - but they don't "get" the space, they pay for it.

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Fraser Lewry | 14 November 2011 - 10:09am

I never listen to the CD

or the podcast, but I do flick through the mag.

And, recently, it has been 'flick' I'm afraid. But hey, it's probably me. Usually is.

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eddie g | 14 November 2011 - 9:18am

The CD

It's probably difficult to measure how the cd affects sales without going for an issue or two without one.

The front cover shot used to be a factor, but it seems that that is going to be largely irrelevant as we are catering primarily for a subscriber base with recent decisions, so you get what's in it and that's fair enough as you are getting roughly 12 issues for the price of 8 and so there's bound to be more than a 2 out of 3 hit rate.

It'd be interesting to know what subscribers do with the cd. I think many like me have really big collections and that they rarely pull out CD's or vinyl and if they do it's to rip for the ipod.

Most listening is on the pc or on the move and so a free cd will either be ripped or ignored.

At best it's played once and it's a format that is becoming largely irrelevant, not because we necessarily want it to, but because you can't change change.

Personally, I get enough exposure to new music and the writing in the magazine perks my interest enough to try something.

I can honestly say that I wouldn't miss the cd if it wasn't there, I'd listen more to what the writers say than actually listen to a disc.

It's just the way listening habits have changed.

The computer has done for the cd, dvd and is working steadily through books, it's going to hit the magazine and it already is and I can see a time when Word is pdf or web based only.

It's not yet, but it will come.

I still think the podcast decision is a bad idea. Word has lost a great Marketing tool and also alienated Retail Sales.

Whilst understanding the decision, I don't think it's the right one.

There were also some glib replies in the post announcing the decision, if you don't think it's great value, fair enough sort of comments may only alienate the customer base, having already weakened the potential of gathering new converts.

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anythingcanhappen | 14 November 2011 - 10:14am

But the Podcast

isn't a promo tool like it used to be,
The early podcasts featured Mark and David leafing through the latest issue to sell it to whoever had stumbled across the thing on iTunes. Now the podcast is primarily to provide additional magazine content in audio format, either to build on something in the magazine or an entirely new feature or interview.

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Dr Volume | 14 November 2011 - 10:48am

It still provides an opportunity

to plug the magazine.

I'd feel more comfortable with paying say 59p for the podcast than creating a two tier magazine reader.

May just be me, I'm a subscriber but I'm questioning whether to renew on principle.

In my circle of friends, nine are Word Readers, five subscribers.

It's obviously not any sort of representation of the general Massive Feeling, but four of the five Word Subscribers thought it a wrong call, all of the non subscribers did.

One thing wasn't in doubt amongst the subscribers, all of us thought the podcast was ace and the cd was irrelevant.

I've stuck with Word from Issue 1 and I've followed Heppers and Mark from Q to Mojo to here and I'm certainly not a sort of Private Eye Letter writer in cancel my subscription mode.

I've stuck with Word through ropey patches and think Mark Ellen should be knighted for services to music but it has left a really bad taste.

I don't think The Word Team understand the strength of feeling out there and this is a bit like the first argument in what has been an unquestionable argue free relationship.

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anythingcanhappen | 14 November 2011 - 6:19pm

As a publisher & podcaster

There's two things I'd say.

1. CDs help sell magazines. It's probably the only thing you can rely on to provide a certain boost to subs/sales in 2011. This won't last forever, but it's still true at the moment, as prehistoric as that may seem.

2. Podcasts are brilliant at selling themselves and connected live events, but lousy at selling anything else, including connected products. Lousy.

The 59p model is probably unworkable - once you factor in fees from Paypal/whoever you're losing money on every transaction. There are other models, and I've no idea whether The Word's will work or not, but it's a pretty shrewd attempt.

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Bela Legosis Dad | 14 November 2011 - 7:39pm

Fark.

The CD as an object has zero perceived value. They are used freely as bird scarers and vehicle reflectors and decorative wind-chimey mobiles by the Third World peoples (of which, one, am I). They are GIVEN AWAY by newspapers and magazines. That's how much they're worth as currency: nothing. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

CDs are office equipment, part of work. Loading a CD is work. CDs are stupid, sharp-edged, insanely packaged pieces of landfill.

Adding a CD to a magazine does not increase the perceived value of the magazine. Adding a CD to a magazine decreases the perceived value of the compact disc, and compromises the integrity of the magazine. Everybody knows that these buggers cost next to nothing to make. The "music industry" (pardon my mirth) is writhing in a death-throe frenzy because they're trying to sell an object that everybody perceives as worthless in itself. It's a piece of junk. The latest trend to add a zillion layers of cardboard to the packaging (throwing in some marbles or sunglasses or some other stupid piece of tat) is indicative of a business which has lost all sense of direction and purpose.

What the Word Podcast did was to spread a little human warmth (and love for music). The free CD does none of that. Recorded music, if we're brutally honest, is available for nothing, worldwide. That's the real elephant in the room. Until the "music industry" produces product that has inherent value, quite independently of the packaging, it's a headless chicken.

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Burt Kocain | 14 November 2011 - 2:31pm

Good god.

I'm with you almost all the way on that one.
CD - Go to bin. Do not pass Hifi.

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Jorrox | 14 November 2011 - 7:56pm

It may be headless chicken

but it's still capable of laying a few £billion golden eggs each year, which given that the 'competition' costs nothing is actually, clucking amazing.

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Dr Volume | 15 November 2011 - 1:21am

Definitely of value....

Given that I have bought at least half a dozen albums off the back of tracks that are on the CD, I'd say that its definitely of value and long may it continue.

That said, we have crap local radio which is mainly chart based, so it is one of my main avenues for hearing new and interesting stuff.

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chrisf | 14 November 2011 - 4:55pm

From the point of view of the majority of

motorists who have a CD player in their car, I find the cover CD great fun; slap it in the drive and listen while you commute. If a track stands out under those circumstances, the chances are I'll pay attention to any reviews the artist receives, and the chances are better than good that I might shell out for the album.

Until cars can routinely download or stream music straight from the web, the shiny plastic disc is a reasonably convenient mechanism. It's only a matter of time, of course, but for now it's fine by me and, I suspect, a good few others.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 14 November 2011 - 5:01pm

Car Listening

I have a Griffin iTrip that plugs into the ipod and plays through the FM Radio, so I never use my car cd player.

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anythingcanhappen | 14 November 2011 - 6:06pm

Well fine.

But as I said I was attempting to speak for a majority of car CD listeners. Who don't have a Griffin whatsit. And don't want one. Because they don't need one. Because they get the CD each month that accompanies the magazine.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 14 November 2011 - 7:10pm

This debate will rumble on until CDs are obsolete

I never understand why anyone would object to a free CD. It's an opportunity - you get a chance to listen to some stuff you wouldn't normally listen to, chosen by some people who know their music. If you don't like it, nothing lost, if you do - and I'll usually find at least one track I like on each CD - then that's expanded your listening that little bit more.

Personally, my only problem with the CD is the amount of extra money I've spent on whole albums by the artists in question. Most recently it was Jake Morley - an excellent album from someone I'd never have encountered any other way.

If I was to make one alteration, it would be that I'd quite like the magazine to cover all the related albums in the reviews section. Other than that, please carry on.

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Uncle Monty | 14 November 2011 - 5:34pm

Free CD?

The point is that it's not a free cd, it's built in to the price of the magazine.

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anythingcanhappen | 14 November 2011 - 6:08pm

For me it's the least important "free" CD I get most months

I actually prefer the themed CDs some "other magazines" do, and especially when they do a "famous album re-recorded by other people". Especially when 50% or more of the tarcks are recordings unique to that cover CD.

Of course - depends on the theme/album/artists recording unique tracks. But that's my preference. Doesn't have to be a really strict theme, Uncut's "Americana 2004" was a pretty loose connected thing but probably sold me 12 albums by artists I hardly knew/didn't know at all (at the time). If there were only 10 tracks then 10 albums. Whatever. The point is - it worked for me (found new music I liked) and it worked for the mag' (showed they had good taste) and worked for the bands/record companies (sold me albums, and several bands I stuck with - bought up back catalogue and new releases since).

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Slick | 14 November 2011 - 5:53pm

I'm with you Slick (wish I had a pound for every time...)

I think this has been discussed before and feathers were ruffled as I remember so I'd better tread carefully. A lot of the reason I picked up Uncut was for the CDs, they had some crackers, maybe still do, its been a while because the magazine itself isn't much good.

I also like the themed idea, I find samplers of different styles like the Word's a bit heavy going and invariably give up after a couple of tracks. Actually, thinking about it I doubt I've listened to any of the CDs for a couple of years. But hey! before anyone gets bent out of shape, its the ONLY part of the Word experience I don't like.

Some of the Uncut ones were ace, apart from Americana 2004 mentioned above which was tremendous, there were Leonard Cohen and Springsteen covers which were really good and All or Nothing is one of my all time favourite records, bought or given.

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Sid Williams | 14 November 2011 - 6:51pm

Saw Mojo's reimagined Sgt Peppers

for sale in FOPP.

£10.

Oh yeah - twice the price of the magazine it came with !

Mojo's Harrisson covered was also a stunner and Let it be covered featured CW Stoneking AND John Grant AND Phosphorescent - uber cool.

Uncut's Bowie tribute has Ed Kuepper's version of "the man who sold the world" - I could literally listen to it all day (ok, I did do that one day and will probably do so again).

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Slick | 15 November 2011 - 2:28am

OOAA

I generally don't like re-recorded albums - I rarely find them worth listening to. Either it is too faithful a copy, or too wilful a dismantling of the original. The themes are more attractive - but its got to the point where I cant imagine getting yet another "roots of Led Zep/Stones/Who/Primal Scream/whoever" or a "historic blues" one - they tend to contain a lot of the same stuff (or same sort of stuff) every time. The aim is to attract me to the mag, and in the past it did but now I feel I would be buying a CD of stuff I dont wont with a rubbish magazine attached. So I dont bother. Dont think I have bought one for 2 or 3 years now. Though I still look.

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paulwright | 14 November 2011 - 7:07pm

Agree on themes

I prefer Uncut's looser themes - a dozen Americana tracks, a dozen singer-sonwriters, or something like the "Comets, Ghosts & Sunburned Hands" - with Comets on Fire, Oakley Hall, Sunburned hand of man, Jackie-O-motherfucker - just a genius compliation.

Naturally there are themes I hate - but that's how the bones roll.

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Slick | 15 November 2011 - 2:35am

As someone who worksin retail selling magazines

can I just say the slim version of the covermount that Word uses is infinitely preferrable to the jewel case.

And don't get me started on freebies with women's monthlies.....

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emaol | 14 November 2011 - 9:44pm

What???

You get free gifts with "women's monthlies"? I've been having those for 25 years and NO-ONE TOLD ME.

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JoLean | 22 November 2011 - 10:38pm

Oh Dear

I may be being a right div, but the podcast decision has turned me off the magazine.

It may be that it's just that I've always felt that we were a gang and it's like realising that you are not, that business decisions take over.

I fear the love affair is over and I feel like a right wimp and that I should be more adult or worldy. but it's how I feel and I feel it's time to move on to other avenues.

Do I need help?

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anythingcanhappen | 16 November 2011 - 3:55pm

If ever you thought

the Word was any different to any other commercial venture then you should read the 'Media Pack' at the bottom of this page. And why not? Everyone has to earn a living. Personally I can live without the podcast and the cover CD ( gulp, and sometimes even the mag ) but I do rather like the website.

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eddie g | 22 November 2011 - 10:27pm

I've discovered great music through the Cover CD

In a way it is like tuning into an old John Peel broadcast...not much of this music would get out there without this valuable outlet.Keep it up.

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ablewalker | 22 November 2011 - 10:34pm
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