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Coolest Uncool People
Some poor souls have been cast into outer darkness for far too long. It's time to forgive, forget and let them back in again. I would like to nominate:-
ROLF HARRIS: made the 'novelty' record Sun Arise with George Martin at the age of 32, a ground-breaking piece of production full of exotic aboriginal noise. Solicited the most revealing and extraordinary interview from The Queen while painting her portrait - like a hairdresser with a relaxed but slightly bored subject - in 2006, at the age of 76. Enough to overshadow anything irksome in between.
PHIL COLLINS: tremendous drummer, perfectly acceptable singer, veteran of such almighty prog excursions as The Return Of The Giant Hogweed on 1971's Nursery Crime, produced a lovable John Martyn album, been sampled to death, makes good speeches. Fine fellow.
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Ooh, my soul
DAVID ESSEX: "Rock On" was perfect pop, several million Jackie readers had frequent fantasies about him offering to dab on their Clearasil, his acting in That'll Be The Day and Stardust easily out-thesped Jagger, Bowie and Daltrey's fair-to-pitiful celluloid outings. . . yet his rep came in for a clobbering just because he said "Okay, put him through" when Andrew Lloyd-Webber called, and into the Forever Uncool bin he went. Very unfair.
(He's even managed to age very well, now looking a bit like an Alien-era Ian Holm.)
doesn't
appearing in Heartbeat as loveable rogue gypsy tinker through him back into the darkness?
He's always been cool to me
At his best - Rock On, Stardust, All The Fun of The Fair - he could be as arty as Bowie and Ferry.
Nod and a wink
"Hold Me Close" is one of the great singles. You can almost hear him wink on it.
Hear him wink?
Trouble is what you CAN hear. The boy cannot sing for toffee. All the rest of the comments may be true, but come on, he makes Kevin Rowland sound like Pavarotti or, in later "musical" days, like the "we have all been to the same voice coach" studied breathing croon of Michael Ball, Paul Nicholas and all that ilk.
thanks
thanks for that. it's still one of the great singles. It comes on the radio, I smile. That'll do it for me.
Same here.
Also love Oh What A Circus. And even bloody Silver Dream Machine! The birds loved him...good enough for me.
But...
he started off in musicals - Jesus in Godspell, as I recall - so that's no great surprise, is it? And he's always been comfortable between the stools of 'pop star' and 'theatrical artiste'. For the record, I think he's got a pretty decent voice; A Winter's Tale is a good example
AND
has made wonderful records and films with National Treasures Saint Etienne...
Brian May
Big hair, had carnal knowledge of an Eastender, played Live Aid AND the roof of Buck House.
Also has a brain the size of a small Welsh village.
You forgot the One Fact
He plays his guitar with a. . . .
One's Brian May...
The other's a christmas pudding.
One utilises a sixpence, the other a threepenny bit. I forget which way round it is.
Blimey, this a late revival for a blog entry. Anyway : Brian May
The plot thickens.
I had a long-standing dislike of Queens for playing Sun City during the apartheid years. However it seems we have since had The Truth And Reconciliation Commission...of Rock.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1zLNV2F_hRE/SGYcPXG3SdI/AAAAAAAAAtg/bqS4b8s1lB...
Well, if Nelson can forgive I suppose I can too.
But I still think Brian May has forfeited Cool forever.
Brian
a fireplace? or an asteroid?
You Forgot Another
His guitar was fashioned out of an old fire surround by...
The Stickybackplastocaster!
For years now, it's been my mission in life to get that to catch on. It's not happening, is it.
It SO should catch on
It's a great name. Well done!
Cynthia Stickbackplastocaster?
Ouch.
isn't this
a plank in the argument against him! sorry
I agree with Essex
I've just installed a clip of him and Ringo in Stardust in the Beatles Story - it features Billy Fury too!
I Nominate Mike Oldfield
Made the humongous Tubular Bells and the 2nd and 3rd (Hergest Ridge and Ommadawn but not sure which way round) were pretty decent too. Ever since he has been bashed from pillar to post for his music and some of his slightly right wing comments - I think his new cd is pretty good. Responsible above anyone else for making Richard Branson a wealthy geezer so indirectly he has helped us with cheap travel. Whats not to like about him?
Ommagawd
Is what Island Records office whiteboard of forthcoming releases had penned on it when it was scheduled. But agreed, seems like a nice chap. Seconded.
I must be unique in that
I have no interest in Tubular Bells but I adore Moonlight Shadow and To France. Sorry but I think they're just perfect folk rock.
I'm with you
Tubular bells is fine but I'd rather listen to Terry Riley for that sort of musical fix. 'Moonlight Shadow' is a staple of my pub DJ sets, and I even got a bunch of stiffs in expensive specs and designer stubble dancing to it at the Design Week awards last year!
Amarok
wonderfully obscure, great playing, fantastic snatches of melody and a morse code message saying, "fuck off RB". Not too sure about the Thatch impersonation though
I mean, what's not to like?
And TR's RICA is great as well.
Crises
features some stunning drumming by a young Simon Phillips.
And while we're at it. . .
why not let Richard Branson himself back in? If it weren't for his first shops, how the hell was a young man supposed to have satisfied his craving for The Faust Tapes and Amon Düül II imports?
No no no
I can't. Maybe if he paid UK tax it might be a start. Thank Clapton (sneaky tangential Bonzos reference) he didn't get his hands on Northern Rock - not only tax free profit but this time bankrolled by the tax payer rather than the punter. I agree he started well but since then.....
Twangential reference
That was a bit sly, yes, but it'll do.
Next thread.
Virgin Rail is bankrolled by the taxpayer not the punter
and according to Privae Eye he took £40 million last year. And just about anything that is 'tax efficient' - he's an expert in that - is funded by the tax payer in the end. Not cool. Not deserving of reappraisal.
I don't know whether he counts but....
...what about Ronnie Corbett?
For years he laboured in the shadows of the evidently edgier Ronnie Barker and all the jokes seemed to be about his stature.
But then he made that cameo appearance in the BAFTAS episode of "Extras" - for that alone he should be carried around in a sedan chair.
That reminds me. . .
LES DAWSON: Manchester's very own Victor Borge. I'm quite serious; not just the piano shtick, but - like Victoria Wood (also now undeservedly maligned) - he was also a brilliant observer of how words are used by the nattering classes.
when???
were either of these people uncool???
Les fell foul of the Alternative Comedy police. . .
I assume because he did standup in a dinner jacket rather than a rugby shirt and 501s, he told mother-in-law jokes, he was a regular on the panto circuit, he did a lodda great work for charadee, etc.
But
I think Les was very unusual in being left alone by the right on brigade. They did for Benny Hill but possibly only he and Frankie Howerd were still borderline acceptable
I agree
The only northern comedian who was ever family-safe, funny and versatile.
I loved him as a child.
Blankety Blank was great, kids thought he was funny, adults could spot someone sending up a naff format. Shooting Stars is celebs being in on the naffness, BB you thought they weren't...
Mick Jagger
How about MJ? Yes he's a royalty sniffing posing dirty old man with ridiculous vari-accents etc etc - but my oh my is he a rock star! The recent 'cast discussion got me thinking about this. I defy anyone to watch even recent footage without a sneaking feeling that this is probably one of the most charismatic human beings on the planet. Who else would you have fronting your band?
Agreed.
Just because Keith's cooler doesn't mean MJ ain't cool. (Mind you I saw that documentary about him around ten years ago and found it monumentally boring) Still, whichever way you look at it being the frontperson for one of the best bands ever is cool.
I musta missed that meeting
the one where the Stones were inducted as a great live outfit - they're the longest running tribute act, that's all
I'd like to nominate Gary Numan.
Only kidding.
Paul McCartney
Capable of being cool and uncool all at the same time!!
Peter Serafinowicz
who does a great McCartney impersonation made a really good quote in the Word when asked about Macca: "I love him ... but he's a bit of a tit". Says it all really.
yes
..goes for most of the people discussed on this thread. And most of the discussers too even? Most human beings in fact!
Perry Como
It seems OK in rock'n'roll circles to like Sinatra, Dean Martin and Tony Bennet, but Perry Como's still beyond the pale. Sold millions of records and was America's biggest TV star for years. Married his childhood sweetheart and they stayed together until she died in her '80s. Was recording songs by contemporary writers like Don Maclean (And I Love You So) and Kris Kristofferson (For The Good Times) in his '60s; and his versions of those songs are brilliant. That's cool in my book.
Agreed...
...on Phil Collins.
Seconded Richard..
picked up an LP of his for one Euro and it's fine: well arranged, good choice of material: People are taken aback when I put it on, but after a track or two, he melts their resistance.
My own nomination is for Kenny Rodgers (I know..)who, although representing a biliousness-inducing strain of Hollywood schlock, has also produced a few classic barroom tear-jerkers in Lucille and Ruby.
I'm not so sure about the lack of cool of The Rolfster
About 10 years ago I was given complimentary tickets to a charity cartoon auction in Knightsbridge. I took the GLW and we enjoyed a good deal of free champagne and had an excellent evening.
There was an exhibition of cartoons by probably every cartoonist you can think of. A selection went up for auction. The biggest earning lot under the hammer that evening was one of Rolf's. I can't remember how many thousand it went for, but I know it was more than I could have contemplated paying and a big surprise to us that he earned the most for whichever charity it was.
Dare I say
Pre 1976 Elton John. I still really like his stuff from that era.
Agree
about early Elton.
Wasn't he very cool then?
It was only post Yellow Brick that his oevre dipped. And dipped. And dipped.
Probably in inverse relation to his bank balance.
Yes
I think they've been branded as uncool unfairly. Sure they released Tales from Topographic Oceans, but they also recorded some really terrific stuff like Roundabout, Going for the One, and Yours Is No Disgrace.
Great live band, could all play their instruments (to say the least) and Squire and Wakeman always seemed to have a decent sense of humour about the whole thing.
Deffo. Seconded.
Deffo. Seconded.
Affirmative - Thirded
Let's just draw a veil over Tales From Torporgraphic Oceans. "The Yes Album", "Fragile" and "Close To The Edge" just excited the hell out of the 15-year-old me at the time. Their critics moaned about their pretention and self-indulgence, but be assured my teenage self didn't sit there nodding smugly as I listened, rubbing my bumfluffed chin and thinking "gosh, how clever they are, and how clever I seem when I'm seen listening to them". Nope, I was too busy riding my own pounding pulsebeat, and excitedly thinking "fuck, this is GREAT!". Tremendously exciting live band around that time, too. A mate who found their recordings turgid was persuaded to come to a gig with me, and grinned maniacally through the whole thing.
Yes...
...yes indeed.
Er...
Yes? No.
Chris Rea
Friends of mine won't even listen to him. I blame the fact that he had his chart heyday at the same time as Chris de Burgh and they get bracketed together solely by virtue of having the same Christian name!! Also his first few albums, before he got into his stride, weren't great.
I love his voice, his slide playing, and he's written some great songs. Try the Water Sign album if you're a newcomer.
agree
Chris Rea is cool. No doubt about it.
And Shamrock Diaries!
This is a bloody good album, containing a couple of hits, Josephine and Stainsby Girls (delightful nod to California Girls and Back In The USSR), and some other great songs, notably Steel River.
I'll second that
His 11-disc 'Blue Guitars' is an amazing achievement. Real variety and depth, smooth and gutsy.
So Cool By The Fire On Christmas Eve..............
Surely its time Val Doonican graced our screens one final time, for a one off Christmas Special on Christmas Eve.

For many youngsters, parents and old folk, Val's Seventies Show was the start of the excitment on cold Christmas Eves (when it used to be proper cold for weeks on end, with snow drifts and all manner of degrees minus) as we sat by the roaring fire, nibbling on steaming ,crisp mince pies, as we took precious sips from a glass of ice chilled babychampers (with cherries in) as a special one off Christmas treat.
Val's cutting edge show, always begged important questions such as 1)How many jumpers would dishy Doonican wear in one evening? 2)Would he fall off his rocking chair? 3) Would he sit in with the audience on a dangerous looking high seat? and 4) What would his Christmas girls look like that year?
Val is an entertainer, we must see again. Rumours are that Doonican will be playing Dr Who's long lost father in this years Christmas Special. Please can this happen, is it just possible for this Star Of Wonder to make a return to our homes this year.For many of us, Val is Father Christmas.
I have to say.....
....having caught some of it by chance (waiting for Corrie, since you ask), last nights documentary on Val was great. It made me rethink all those saturday nights my mum spent in front of the telly.
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Del Amitri
Made some truly great albums, full of whiskey remorse and barfly tales of love and disappointment on frozen northern city streets. And, seriously, who ever wrote a better couplet than: "Don't get so distressed if the good life won't arrive, you've been seeing SOS when it's just your clock reading 5:05"?
Also:
Marillion - dreadful, windy 80s prog monsters reinvented as sleek, 90s/Noughties art rockers under the expert stewardship of soulful, floppy-fringed singer-songwriter Steve Hogarth. Now sit at the intersection where Talk Talk meet the Blue Nile and Radiohead (as opposed to where Rush meet Genesis, which sounds like a very tight spot indeed). Oh, and they invented putting music on the internet (or something).
Well Said
I'll raise my glass those two suggestions sir!
second that - slightly
Whilst I rave about Del Amitri to this day, I still struggle with Marillion ... it just doesn't seem worth the bother AND their jester was a pale shadow of the Killing Joke evil shadowy icon from years before.
Actually
Marillion's jester owes considerably more to the very much earlier cover of Fairport Convention's 'Gottle O'Geer';
Love that
album. Great cover, great music. Not too keen after Misplaced childhood mind.
Yes, but...
...Del Amitri also wrote the couplet:
'While American businessmen snap up Van Goghs for the price of a hospital wing'
...which must be the most leaden 'fight the system' line on rock history.
Del Boys
"Driving With The Brakes On" is one terrific tune!!
it did its' job though
assuming you remembered it rather than googling lyrics it did its job ... although I would place the Crowded House anti -US fat attack "Chocolate Cake" higher in the rankings.
I agree.
I have heartily promoted Justin Currie on here as a master songwriter, but only relating to love songs (thankfully the overwhelming majority of his oeuvre). Nothing Ever Happens was a great tune but the lyrics were a bit sixth form, I felt. Similarly, I love his solo record What is Love For, with the exception of No, Surrender.
On a related note, one of Roddy Frame's loveliest songs is Killermont Street, which makes social comment in a very moving way, while his duet with Mick Jones, Good Morning Britain, on the other hand...
What's wrong with 6th form lyrics, Doug?
I love Justin Currie in all forms.
However, I was in sixth form around the time of Good Morning Britain and loved it. Why shouldn't we write for sixth formers?
Maybe a wee bit too late for the cherished 12" version...
Let's see...
...how about...
Shakin' Stevens - when he covered that P!nk tune
Pink Floyd - the perennial schoolboy favourite (we don't need no education...)
The Osmonds - Crazy Horses
Donny Osmond these days in particular seems to be looking pretty good for his age and is apparently on permanent standby to rip the piss out of himself. Have a look at this clip of him with Weird Al Yankovich... (it's green screen because they only used part of this for the final video)
isn't we don't need no education
the most regressive song ever written, education being cool while psoh boy whingeing not being. Having said that when did we start giving a fig whether something was cool before we liked it. Cool being the most fleeting of things generally most of the acts above have survived because they weren't cool.
This does exclude Tory boy Collins though.
Bing Crosby
Actually a hep cat, wise to the crazy new sounds of Jazz music long before Frank (immortalised in "High Society"'s "Well did you evah")
(watch about 2'13" in)
and possibly the cooler party in the Bowie n' Bing Xmas perennial
As for Phil Collins, putting aside his contributions to great albums by Martyn, Eno and Wyatt, surely his stinking turd of a "social awareness" song "Another day in paradise" (While simultaneously lionising Thatcher Phil? the irony is so rich it makes me want to puke) should torpedo his credentials as someone to admire, well below the waterline...
Phil the Tory?
Well, there are two questions to ask here...
1. Did Phil actually lionise Mrs T., or is it just hearsay, like the totally untrue story that he divorced his wife by fax.
2. Phil has raised huge amounts of money, as well as giving away quite a bit of his own personal stash. On one tour he basically told the audience 'Instead of buying loads of merchandise, why not put the money into our "aid charity buckets". I will match the sum raised, pound-for-pound.'
The question is: what matters more; orthodoxy - having the right opinions and being seen to support the 'correct side' - or 'orthopraxis' - ie doing right, whether you are seen to do so or not.
The music biz much prefers the posturing of the 'doxy' to the hard work of the 'praxis'.
Isn't it about time the tables were turned?...
Phil Collins
Phil Collins turned up on the telly when I was in Spain last week. I was channel hopping and happened on a German channel - it looked like he was a judge on some bizarre talent show. Very odd.
Phil Collins
It was worse than I thought - he was a judge on "Ich Tarzan Du Jane". Yikes. Access to the cool file denied.
Very well put, sir.
My thoughts exactly.
It really is amazing how Margaret Thatcher served three terms isn't it, considering nobody voted for her. Maybe an electoral fraud investigation should be launched.
I would have said Mike Oldfield, too
until I read that interview with him in The Times a few weeks ago, in which he basically said that punk rock should have been banned as it was the cause of today's malaise in our young.
The emphasis is on the "young" Mike, you dick. Today's 16 year olds were born in 1992. Punk was pretty much over by 1979. So it's not the fault of our rampant consumerism, the sexualisation of children by our media,the obsession with size, weight and looks, the longest working hours in Europe with families spending more and more time apart and the biggest gap between the rich and poor since Dickens' time.
No, it's none of that. Let's blame it on the Anti Nowhere League instead.
Reminds me of why I despise these mansion dwelling middle aged tossers so much. When was the last time they looked out of their windows?
Agree with you on Phil Collins, though. Great musician and songwriter who also seems to know what's going on in the world. Also has an almost pathological hatred of American television evangelists, so he'd get the thumbs up from me on that alone.
Phil...
...agreed.
Chinn/Chapman
...an outstanding run of stupendous hit singles that have stood the test of time.
They've never
been 'uncool' in my house...
Money For Nothing
...........And of course Level 42, Deacon Blue and Dire Straits. The latter loved by Razorlight,Kaiser Chiefs and The Killers covered "Romeo & Juliet" in their honour.
Dire Straits
Funnily enough I was only recently pondering that it is hard to think of a band in the same sales league as Dire Straits that is getting a similar level of indifference as to whether they may or may not reform.
I've seen Dire Straits live...
...so I know why no one cares if they get back together. It was like watching paint dry, the most dull and personality-free bunch I've ever seen on a stage.
But........
Also see Pink Floyd, but Dire Strait's Alchemy live album is far from dull!
Why have I never seen a magazine article on...
Billy Joel. He holds a special place in my heart as he was my first proper album when I was 9, but I revisited his catalogue 2 summers ago and it's fantastic. Laura, Scandinavian Skies, Vienna, All for Leyna, Miami 2017 (especially the live version on Songs in the Attic), all great songs. Nylon Curtain is a great record, the kind of album Lennon should have been making if he'd made it through the eighties. Respect to the Piano Man.
Some kind soul has made their own video for Scandinavian Skies using footage of Scandinavian skies...
Hear hear!
Anthony's Song, New York State of Mind, Uptown Girl, these are all great songs. I imagine seeing him live would be great.
hear hear hear
and 'Scenes from an Italian restaurant'Was going to see him in concert too til I realised how expensive the tickets were.....
For Pete's Sake!
Don't forget the Monkees!!! Headquarters and (especially) Pisces Aquarius Capricorn and Jones Ltd are fine albums. Pleasant Valley Sunday, She Hangs Out, You Just May Be the One and Randy Scouse Git stand up as good as anything from 40 years ago.
The Monkees
have always been cool.
What they said.
What they said.
Where does it end ?
....Des O'Connor ? .....Peters & Lee ?
Let's hear it for ABC
I'm so tired of this guilty pleasures rubbish, ABC were mint! Also agree Darcy's Marillion post Fish and Del Amitri post. I remember the Q headline for the review of the second Del Amitri album: 'Hotel Caledonia' !
This is the problem with
This is the problem with guilty pleasures ... some of them are guilty for a reason. I bow to no man in my enjoyment of verboten 90s cheese, though. You could make a case for selected singles (singles, mind!!) by just about all the 80s artists named above and append works of semi-genius by Curiosity Killed The Cat, Haircut 100, Alexander O'Neal, yada yada....
It wasn't all Smiths, Costello and Public Enemy, you know.
Hey,
Alexander O'Neal made some great albums too, his first two are cracking.
As is Haircut 100's only album.
But this thread
isn't about guilty pleasures, it's about who has been unfairly tarred with the uncool stick. A few of the artists may be the same, but there is a difference.
Herbie Flowers
Bass on Walk on the Wild Side (invented that famous bass line, got paid 25 quid or something ridiculous by tight old Uncle Lou) but then wrote "Grandad" by Clive Dunn which went to number one. Now which one of those is cool? Both of course
Phil Collins
Fully agree with you on Phil Collins. With the comments on Hogweed / Nursery Cryme, does this mean that the forthcoming 70 - 75 boxset reissue will get an unbiased / positive review from the good people at Word rather than the usual "its Genesis, it must be crap" from other magazines......
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Agreed
I bought the recent Genesis Live Over Europe CD, recorded on their 2007 tour, and it's bloody marvelous. As much as I like Muse, the Genesis Live album urinates all over their recent Live At Wembly cd/dvd the music press were salivating over.
I'd like to think that someone who knows Phil reads these messages of support and passes them onto him. If I ever bumped into him at an airport or something, I think I'd feel compelled to shake him by the hand and tell him that there are a lot of people in Britain who actually think he's pretty cool.
Margaret Thatcher
You just can't get any un-cooler.
Hey! I voted for her on three occasions. I'd do it again! What do you think of that?
Please post all spiteful and nasty comments below...
Let´s Get It On
During my university days, I had inadvertently packed my Dad´s Perry Como Greatest Hits LP into my luggage ( yeah, right ) It soon became legendary on campus as the ultimate mood-setting ( ahem ! )music and was in constant demand. I kid you not
Damn
That's where I went wrong. I used to rely upon "In A Glass House" by Gentle Giant.
MICK HUCKNALL & STEVIE WONDER
Fully agree with Messrs Collins, Essex and Oldfield. Why do we prefer to remember the clunkers they all made and overlook the great stuff? Odd...
Mick Hucknall. I'm probably the only Word reader to think he's a great singer surrounded by great musicians; he writes bloody good pop / rock / soul songs and his only crime seems to be being popular. Good luck to the bloke.
Stevie Wonder: derided for some dreadful overly-saccharined balads in the 80's and does seem like a bit of a cabaret turn sometimes, but what a back catalogue! And what a cultural and musical giant.
Correction
Should be 'his only crime seems to be being ginger*'.
Seriously, that's it in a nutshell.
*yes, I am of the strawberry blond persuasion. Problem? ;-)
I don't care but can The
I don't care but can The Word please stop standing up for Phil Collins.
His music is dull and his threat to live overseas if Labour won the election was just repulsive.
Mark, I really don't care about your rock star mates but please stop embarrassing an otherwise fine music mag with your Phil Collins bleating.
Trust me - if the Word gets a reputation for being Pro-Collins then you're, quite rightly, finished.
Life.
Get.
A.
Rearrange these words into a popular phrase.
Simple Minds, China Crisis
Younger readers would probably never believe that Simple Minds were an uber-cool band when they first arrived. Their early albums - up to and including New Gold Dream - are really excellent.
China Crisis are now bottom-of-the-bill 'Here & Now' end-of-pier 80s tokenists, but their first two albums were fantastic and were John Peel-lauded early indie classics.
I'd even hold a candle for Sparkle in the Rain....
Had a half decent stab at "Street Hassle" on that too..
Kerr now is a wisened erudite chappie, definitely one for a "Word" interview - maybe to tie in with "New Gold Dream" tour?
Rod Stewart....
Can we just pretend that the American Songbook series just didn't happen and that the real Rod went back to his home planet in 1974?
Phil Collins gets no reprieve in these quarters. Easy Lover and A Groovy Kind of Love revoke any bail conditions
No relation
Dare I suggest Al Stewart?
The 'Mics
I have never understood why the Eurythmics have never been held up as musical pioneers in the same way that, say, Human League or Depeche Mode are. They are surely the WEIRDEST of all 80s mega-bands, starting their recording history collaborating with Conny Plank and other Krautrock freaks, inventing acid house on a b-side in 1983, and even at the absolute pinnacle of their mega-super-duper-wooper-fame going completely batshit and releasing the absolutely incredible 'Savage' and accompanying "video album". A great, great band - pity Dave Stewart is a twit and Annie Lennox candidate for the most po-faced therapy victim in the western hemisphere, mind.
think you've just
argued yourself out of that one! Don't Come Around Here No More still stands up today. So many great artists seem to love Dave he can't be all bad... the later Eurythmics were overproduced though.
fuck...if so many word
fuck...if so many word readers actually like Phil Collins then I'm getting the wrong magazine.
Maybe it's time to switch.
Timidly suggest....
Maybe it's time to listen? Try to get past the 80s thing - pretty much everything in the 80s was horrible - maybe there was something in the water - listen to some of the Genesis mentioned avove or Brand X - fabulous drumming. Or the first solo album - the diary of someone whose life is falling apart. If you already have and don't like it then Q/Mojo etc etc await! Anyway, surely entertaining the possibility that wholesale writing of of the guy might be a bit much ain't no capital crime (as the song goes) is it?
Agreed.
Agreed.
Good to see an open mind here
Just what The Word is all about, eh?
Why not stop worrying about his public image, his political views and his personal appearnce and start listening to his music - then come back and make some sort of considered critique? You never know, you might decide he's a mighty fine musician who, on the side, can hold a tune as well.
Funny David Essex aside
Went to see Alabama 3 last night - they played Wolverhampton Wulfrun Hall which is next to Wolverhampton Civic where David Essex was playing.
The leader of Alabama 3 said that he went and had a look at the queue of people waiting to get in to see David Essex and proclaimed that there was not one 'shaggable person' in the whole line. He then went on to make some rather more rude comments that cannot be repeated here but it somehow sums up why David Essex should not be rehabilitated into the canon of cool people.
Anyone seriously suggesting that we should re-evaluate Margaret Thatcher shouldnt even be allowed on the site. Can we have some quality control around these parts please!!!
Also, have to agree that as good as Genesis were as a band Mr Collins as a person and as a solo artist is something of a plonker.
Went to see 'em in Manchester
That lady has got a hell of a set of pipes for such a small one!
Great gig as aways.
Stolen Act
Steve,
Maggie gave us John Major and nu labour which, as crimes go, probably means she will have to stay uncool and can't be rehabilitated yet. Tony stole his entire act from her.
Agree entirely about Mr C tho'
Plenty
of artists are plonkers; the fact that someone deems their music of sufficient quality to distribute doesn't mean the person(s) behind it are automatically hip dudes; I refer you to Mozzer of late as an example.
I agree with earlier comments; Mr. Collins is undoubtedly uncool, but his first two solo albums are brilliant. If you can't listen to 'If Leaving Me Is Easy' without recognising the artistic quality and integrity behind it, can I suggest your emotions may have been replaced by a small collection of stones?
Also take great pleasure from the comments about the Dels and Marillion on here; far more positive output than negative across two relatively lengthy careers and more musical nous than 98% of the dross currently available, but they didn't and don't wear what the record company wanted/wants them to and they liked songs with a beginning, middle and end. Oh, the shame.
I highly recommend anything by either, particularly Brave by Marillion, which is the album Radiohead wished they could write, Change Everything by the Dels and Justin Currie's latest solo effort. I'm cool with being uncool, thanks.
Totally with you...
re: "If Leaving Me Is Easy" and Mark Ellen re: "Grace & Danger", and "Face Value" is certainly better than Morrissey's debut solo album by a country mile.
Well
how about you wait to have a look at the queue for an Alabama 3 concert in 30-odd years' time (I'm being rhetorical, there won't be one!) and see what those people look like. Young fans grow older, who'da thought? And of course, older people are by definition not 'shaggable', or 'cool', are they?
A man named Val
Time to post this one again, then.
Cool v Uncool
I've never understood why it is somehow becoming okay to own up to a shadowy fondness for the likes of Yes (all brown rice and goblin-hugging, with the exception of R Wakeman, who was more a jobbing keyboardist in a cape who could play a bit), Jethro Tull, Genesis, and even the deadly-dull Camel, while mentioning the three letters E, L and P still prompts snorts of derisory laughter.
Anyone who approaches the band with unprejudiced ears and eyes will find three talented musicians at the top of their game, taking chances, melding influences from jazz to Bach with a balls-out rock sensibility and sense of showmanship that was sometimes, perhaps even often, overblown, but never less than fun. No-one could ever accuse Keith Emerson of taking himself too seriously, then or now (read his autobiography, 'Pictures of an Exhibitionist', and delve back to The Nice).
Perhaps, with a new CD due from him this summer, Word might even offer a new perspective on this much-maligned musician beyond the knee-jerk ridicule based on decades of post-punk posturing that seems to be the norm.
Sits back and waits for the usual deluge of derision.
Emmo
I do find quite a lot of their stuff hard going and like some, but there's no denying what a great player Emmo is - in his biog, do you get a feeling for how on earth he got to be so good? Did he start at 3? Did he go to music school? What did he do before ELP? I know virtually nothing about him. I heard an album of him on acoustic piano and it was top drawer.
Keith Emerson's autobiography
All these questions answered, and more. A rollicking good read - though he could have done with a decent proof-reader!
Typo
I flicked through it in a shop. They had a tiny piece of paper slotted into the book explaining a typo! Something about a description of his pregnant mum having to leave where she was living, and how the typo makes it sound like it was him who was pregnant.
I think it's...
...the Keith Emerson moog sound that keeps Emerson Lake & Overdrive beyond the pail; that and the fact that Jim Davidson loves 'em, of course.
Now no-one DARE try and rehabilitate HIM...
EDIT
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Have these ever been cool?
THE THOMPSON TWINS: Some great singles - what's the difference between them and any other band of their ilk?
DOLLAR: Not quite there yet with the revival, but some great songs. If only Davd Van Day wasn't such a twat.
HAIRCUT 100: If only for the arran jumpers.
JON AND VANGELIS: The revival starts here. Friends of Mr Cairo is oft overlooked.
MIDDLE OF THE ROAD: Big in Germany
BA ROBERTSON: What's not to like?
DONOVAN: Inexplicably still the object of ridicule
BLANCMANGE: Why did they ever fall out of favour?
Haircut 100
Were exceptionally ace. There are truly underratted pop artistes.
Nick Heywood
Fantastic Day ,Whistle Down the Wind
Brilliant
Pelican West...
Gourgeous, uplifting, guaranteed to raise a big smile AND it's got Pino Palladino
Middle Of The Road
Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep, a long forgotten buried classic. Made a reappearance in my life via the "Breakfast On Pluto" soundtrack.
Bang on...
...a prime cut of chavtastic brain-donor pop at its best, and the third mention of this song on the boards in just three days (one of them by me, or four if you count this posting, which makes two by me).
BA Robertson, what's not to like....?
Well, this for starters
And the nominees are ......
JETHRO TULL - Aqualung, a serioulsy great record
RUSH
ELO - come on, its all serioyusly great pop music....
Never mind Phil Colins, what about GENESIS? Never considered cool, but they should be. Series of great records once that loser Gabriel had been dumped.
Rush
Yikes!! Gawd help us. Science Fiction type 'orrible lyrics, Ayn Rand, shrieking blackboard finger nails vocals , dire drum solos, wanky guitars, quick get me the straight jackets!!
ELO-I completely agree, but Bev Bevan is still a Tory twat
Um...
...would that be the same Genesis who went all middle-of-the-road with Phil Collins?
Love Rush...
...but I'll concede that subtlety isn't a strong point. Still, they haven't done anything remotely sci-fi related for about 30 years; there are some fantastic songs like 'Distant Early Warning', 'The Big Money', 'Subdivisions', 'Limelight' and 'Red Sector A' that they did in the 80s.
ELO; I must be honest, I've never been a huge fan. 'Mr Blue Sky' is a classic, though, whilst the out-and-out soppiness of 'Telephone Line' and the plain daft '...Horace Wimp' are enjoyable.
There was a thread about The 'Tull recently and there are quite a few fans from this parish.
Tullish
The last good thing to be said about the USA is that you can still hear Tull on the radio.
Tullism
In all its glory....and a very funny video to boot
THE GRATEFUL DEAD
Long associated with such incisive critical observations as, "long, meandering" and "jam" and "old hippies" etc etc but fronted by a genius guitar player (J. Garcia) + a Spinal Tap-esque but tragically real problem with deceased keyboard players + a poet / lyricist / part-time member + some truly magnificent music through the years. Anyone who hasn't got "American Beauty" and "Workingman's Dead" in their collection really needs to visit HMV this weekend.
The Dead
Add 'Live Dead" to those two and you have the perfect little Dead collection
I'd suggest Europe 72 as well
If pushed, I'd swap it for Live Dead.
Phil Collins ????
I agree with a few of the posters - why all this Collins love ?
IMHO he's not that good - average drummer(lets hear it for Chester!!) ok singer and only reason he is the frontman is down to the fact that the rest of the band have even less stage presence than he has. Oh and he looks like Bob Hoskins - not a good look....ever
I do think Marillion both pre and post Fish have a bad deal they are a decent band, some great songs (lets forget Lavender!) and really do get the "uncool" badge far to often.
Fish as a solo artist is pretty decent as well but not sure he's uncool or just unsupported!
The Genre That Dare Not Speak It's Name
I am going to stick up for Goth. I refer of course to the 80s / early 90s vintage, not the shrieking metal guff in a leather trenchcoat that seems to pass as goth these days. The Sisters Of Mercy made some absolutely superhuman records between 1983 and 1985, and more than a few worthwhile ones afterwards, but how often do you ever see a Sisters retrospective in the monthly press? Similiarly, Fields Of The Nephilim may have been saddled with a ludicrous quasi-western image, and went on entirely too much about some mystical bollocks or other, but they did make at least two classic albums, of which "Elizium" comes heartily recommended to everyone above me who has mentioned Yes, Genesis, etc. Goth-prog, if you can imagine such a thing, and bloody marvellous it is too - check out the "Wail Of Sumer / And There Will Your Heart Be Also" pairing at the end of the album for proof (there is only a dodgy live rendition by the imposters currently passing themselves off as the Neph on Youtube and I'm not going to link to it)
Amen Sister!
do a Google on Myheartland and Dawnrazor for two rather spiffing forums of "Trad Goth"
Surely...
...ABBA must qualify? Quickly dismissed after Waterloo as Europop trash, their sterling efforts and output saw them mature into one classy act complete with Fleetwood Mac-style inter-marital shennanigans for tabloid cred. And, of course, Dancing Queen goes down as one of the quintesssential disco records of all time.
1987 was a good year
for Bruce Springsteen, what with Tunnel Of Love 'un that, but from the same year, John Cougar Mellencamp's The Lonsome Jubilee is quite simply a better album. You heard me. Better. Album.
Not bad for a 'Springsteen wanabee' (allegedly).
Tip top choice.
Mellencamps finest hour. Still worth listening to, with his newer stuff as well.
I always preferred the line about he and Steve Earle meeting somewhere in the middle, as one was moving from country to rock and the other in the opposite direction.
Andy,
when were Abba ever uncool? They were brilliant!
I'm shocked; are there really people in this Parish who think the biggest Swedish import since Volvo are uncool.
First album my mother let me play on the gramophone? 'Arrival' - doesn't get cooler than that.
Can I suggest Katie Melua?
No really I'm serious. I know that that "Nine million bicycles in Beijing" line is awfully clunky and Radio 2 are a bit too fond of her and indeed the Mike Batt connection is a bit dodgy, but she's a damn fine singer, extremely lovely looking in a safe Clare Grogan-y way, has a wonderful sense of humor when she is on the telly and even sung a factually accurate version of that bicycles song once which really made me laugh. Maybe not a Winehouse but she's miles better than Eva Cassidy.
Can I also nominate Slayer? Motorhead have been co-opted by the tedious ironists of this world and are now acceptable to be name dropped in mixed company but Slayer are as uncompromising as ever. As a teenage boy I nearly played South Of Heaven to death and even now, as a terribly intelligent thirty something media twat, the opening chords to that tune has the ability to turn me back to the Beavis-y teenage neanderthal that I was when I first heard it. Reign In Blood is still brilliant as well.
And Gary Glitter? I used to go and see him every Christmas Eve at the SEC in Glasgow and it was great, what would Goldfrapp have done without that glitter stomp?. Actually forget that suggestion, but Michael Jackson? I recently DJed at a wedding and Billie Jean still works you know...Thank goodness I only ever post under a stupid name...
Well..
Gary Glitter is uncool for other, non-musical reasons.
Don't worry
He's gonna die next week:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-execution-of-gary-glitter
Blimey...
...I thought I was the only person in the world who could possibly like (some) Katie Melua and Slayer.
I love her version of "Just Like Heaven".
Sorry.
Are you me?
I love all three of those.
I would never buy a Katie Melua record, there's too much sub-Knopfler doodling in the backing band and Batt's writing is just embarassing for the most part - but I saw her play Wembley Arena, and for the whole first 20-30 minutes of her set, she held the whole crowd rapt without any accompaniment but her own acoustic guitar, which is a STUNNING achievement in a venue that size. If she rocked up to the hippest folk club with that voice and those songs, she would do just fine. Her version of 'Lilac Wine' was a knockout.
Goth, goth and more goth!
Maggieloveshopey hit the nail on the head - when I was young back in the dim and distant 80s, goth was THE genre, with the charts full of the mighty Neph, the Mission, Sisters, cheerful old scamps Bauhaus, etc. Giddy days, indeed.
Since then, every mention of goth in the media (and there's not that many) talks solely about gloomy, lonely youths feeling miserable, or that poor girl being kicked to death, and hardly ever about the music, which was (generally) a thing of majesty and awe. Soak up the atmosphere of the Sisters' Marian, particularly when Eldritch goes all German, or watch the Nephs' concert DVD - great stuff.
Goth is still around, mostly in Europe and the USA - the Cruxshadows recently had a Top 10 US single, for instance, and groups like The House of Usher, Blutengel and more do good business in Germany - but as for Britain, home of the Slimelight and Batcave? Nothing but snide comments.
Goth? More power to its black-clad elbow, I say. Now, back to my coffin...
The most inexplicably uncool rock genre: the first one of all
If prog and fusion are cool again, when is blues rock going to get its turn? Spurning it is a peculiarly British thing, too, because it's never been uncool in America - cf. the whole SRV phenomenon, which largely passed us by, or Back Door Slam's current success in the States compared with the indifference they're met with in the UK.
If you're not convinced it's ever been an uncool genre, just type "Humble Pie" or "Ten Years After" in the Search box up on the right there and see how many hits you get. Now do the same with "Marillion" or "ELP". See my point?
Humble Pie?
I take your point Archie. The Pie are a band probably due for reappraisal, but I've never thought of them as a blues band, certainly not in the way of contemporaries like Savoy Brown or Chicken Shack.
Not pure blues. . .
but blues rock, surely yes.
This is top-notch. I'd never seen it before:
Funny tho'
Didn't the early 60s Blue Horizon/Mike Vernon blues boom kick off the 60s blues revival, when the only place old bluesmen could get a a gig was in Blighty, backed by young turks like Peter Green.
Don't forget the blus/jazz interface: I feel that has never gone away. And, whilst maybe not blue-rock, even old Van (Van)the (halitosis) man is leaning thatway again, tho' it remains on my pile "to be investigated"
I don't think...
...blues is uncool, just much of the mainstream British rock media tends to ignore it- same as they often do with folk (though folk is getting its foot in the door again).
I preferred the first 'British blues boom' to the second one of the late 60s. The first one was really energetic and those old Stones/Yardbirds/Pretty Things singles still sound brilliant, plus those groups went on to do some superb non-blues records. Am going to see that Yardbirds/Zombies package tour soon.
The second one generally lacked some of the raw energy, in my mind; Chicken Shack and Savoy Brown and all those bands are listenable but they've never really blown me away either. However, Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac are probably my favourite British blues band of the lot- 'Man Of The World' is still heartbreaking, and 'Oh Well' and 'Green Manalishi' show how creative the band were. Also love The Groundhogs, who were similarly very inventive. Keef Hartley's 'Halfbreed' is an underrated gem. As for the 'Pie, I dug out Humble Pie's 'Smokin' not long ago and I forgot how brilliant it was.
I've gotten hold of a Joe Bonamassa album called 'You And I' today after hearing many rave reviews about him.
Man Of The World
It would get my vote as the most melancholic song ever to hit the charts, especially for the despairing final line with the pause and then "... and how I wish I was in love."
A song of such beauty steeped in so much pain.
Miller Anderson / Keef Hartley
The great and underated Miller Anderson sang, played guitar and wrote for the Keef Hartley Band, he also played in Chicken Shack and Savoy Brown, truly the most underated of all - he's the best I ever saw and he's out on tour again this November - google him for details
The great and underated
The great and underated Miller Anderson sang, played guitar and wrote for the Keef Hartley Band, he also played in Chicken Shack and Savoy Brown, truly the most underated of all - he's the best I ever saw and he's out on tour again this November - google him for details
A double post
presumably to make up for the Miller Anderson advert you posted but had removed.
What are you, his manager or his publicist?
Shurely shum m ishtake
Oh silly made - maded a mishtake did I and double posted - well 'scuse me for not being fairly new to that interweb thing and am not yet that up on these micro community etiquettes - I'm neither his manager nor his publicist - I've worked with some of the so-called best in the business and most of them couldn't lace his boots. Just trying to get him a larger audience, or is one only allowed to lavish praise on established rock gods in this forum ? Perhaps you should have stuck to Freddie & The Dreamers
Not so new
The advert you had removed suggests that you're not so new to the internet as you imply. Having said you've worked with the best in the business, are you trying to suggest that this sort of forum is completely new to you?
You can praise whomsoever you like, including Freddie & the Dreamers. If you stick around you'll find that my tastes tend to be for artists whose status is nowhere near that of "established rock gods".
Posting here is enough
You don't need to e-mail your comments to me at home. I use the Track facility and so will see new postings in those threads I've already posted to.
Ooo, Carl's got a stalker :-)
Life !
I don't even know what a track facility is ! silly me (again) - perhaps I should stop playing gigs/going to gigs/putting on live music/buying vinyl etc and sit at home learning about the intricacies of the interweb thing and waiting for records to come on the radio or i-pod MP3 or whatever it is - for your information I've been out of the music biz for about 13 years and having dipped my toe back in the water I find that things have changed a bit. I'd rather do things the real way, ie real life, but these days one needs to engage in this cyber crab - I'm not King Canute and I can't turn back the tide all on my own
Interesting E-Mail
By the way I just got this e-mail from Colin Larkin (editor of that fantastic and mighty tome The Guiness Encylopedia of Music (later re-branded as Virgin and then something else :-
'Just watched to video, what a bloody genius that man is. If you want me to write any blurbs or press release for him I will do it free of charge. He is one of the greatest voices of that era and should have been a massive star - Give my regards to Miller'
I don't think that anyone's complaining about Miller Anderson
I suspect you'll find there are several long-standing fans of his work here.
Canute - a greatly misunderstood man
You’re being rather disingenuous about your abilities with computers.
Are you suggesting that you blindly found your way back here? That the link that Fraser has provided right of the screen that reads "Track" somehow passed you by? Those other postings that you’ve made on other threads with links to Miller Anderson were simply serendipity?
He may be a very talented artist and a lovely guy. But if your main interest is, as it seems, to be advertising you should give some money to Mr Hepworth to place an advert either here on the site or in the magazine. This is an open house, but I don’t think I’d be too presumptuous talking on behalf of most people who contribute here in saying we’re not looking for a series of adverts disguised as thread contributions.
Feel free to enlighten us to your other musical tastes. Give us your views on vacuum cleaners (there was a thread on them a couple of weeks back). Indeed let us know whether Miller favours a Dyson or some other model. Join in the Crosswords thread or the Word Of Mouth. But I think you need to increase the diversity of your contributions so that you don’t come across as a press agent.
Sucked Off
I only found this site by googling and someone here was asking an open question about the Keef Hartley Band - to which I replied - I didn't realise then that you had put a downer on the request - which is probably why you have taken offense to my posts - being my first posts here I didn't realise that you couldn't put an ad for a gig up (one which incidentally may break even if it sells out). Get out in the real world - the Mielle (I'm reliably informed) is the vacuum cleaner of choice but never having stuck my knob in the end of one I wouldn't have first hand experience and I therefore bow to your greater experience in such matters
Tsk tsk
There's no need for such rudeness. It's not the way things are done round here.
Please
Read the FAQ. We ask you to address each other as adults might.
Many thanks.
apologioes offered
please accept my apologies if have caused anyone any offence - and may we draw a line under this little spat and talk about great under-rated musucians such as the mighty Charlie Feathers ?
Apology accepted
and may I offer my apologies in return and extend a virtual handshake across the ether.
Patrick Moore
plays the xylophone in a rather cool way
Patrick Moore...
has always been cool! A national treasure.
There was once a Microdisney song called
"Patrick Moore Says You Can't Live Here", and for that reason alone, I want to have sex with him ASAP.
If Phil Collins is elected as cool...
...I'm leaving the country!
As long as its not the one he's living in since Labour won. Appaling gurning, Prog and then MOR, Invisible touch video, Crap jokes and goofing everywhere all the time, Joe Cocker on Helium voice that projects about as much warmth and sentiment as Albert Steptoe and just, just Buster
Simple minds in
Level 42 at a push
Rolf was never out was he?
My parents fault, but...
...grew up listening to Jim Reeves. Worrying that a 10 year old found those ballads so moving but Distant Drums is a classic and now you just bever hear of him!
Got agree with Haircut 100 though and despite the terrible press they get now I defy anyone not to hum along to early Spandau Ballet! Ok, maybe it was my hormones....I'll get my coat
Cool List
If you live your lives by what is cool at your age(s), then you need to have a word with yourselves.
Christ, it just sounds like 17 year olds in hoodies at times; the Del Amitri `rehab` is duly sunk by one clunking line. Is that what makes a band uncool? One clumsy line on eight albums?
The fucking oxymoron of Guilty Pleasures really makes me whoop my cookies.
Have the courage of your convictions people. Stop being so precious.
The Coolest Uncool People
The Uncool and and wrongly Disregarded :
Val Doonican (the B Side to Walk Tall anyone (Only The Heartches..top song )
60's Cilla Step Inside Love,Something Tels Me ..You're my World
Chicory Tip : Son Of My Father
Rolf and David Essex (but they has been discussed who remembers Wings on top of the pops contributing to the 'I dont think so ' refrain in Gonna Make You A Star)
James Bolam . Did he really live with Marc Bolan in the 6o's
....note how these are stuck in the 70's maybe I need therapy
Uncool and to stay where they are :
Paul Daniels
Duran Duran
Yes
Little and Large
Canon and Ball
Chicago
Boston
Any American AOR band named after a City I mean how many UK Bands do the same ...in fact American AOR Bands with that sound
The Alarm
Maybe biased because they are from my neck of the woods, but 68 Guns, Spirit of 76 et al are staples on my Walkman.
Guilty pleasures all, but Mike Peters is a bit of an underrated songsmith, and he's kept at it. That makes him VERY cool in my opinion.
Grudging nod to Pete Wylie as well?
Grudging Nod?
Wylie was, is and will remain cool... even if only in his own mind, God bless him.
Yes Tales
People slag Tales alot and I've heard many people slag it off as too mellow. Were they listening to the first 9 minutes of The Ancient at all? There's nothing mellow about that.
I've heard and read so much praise for the Space Rock and Kraut Rock scenes of the early 70's, well guess what, Tales is just as good and I'd say can sit proudly next to Tanz Der Lemminge and Future Days.
Colin Hay from Men at Work I think is a good guy too, he wrote many a good pop song with Men at Work. To my ears it sounds like he took the sound of Television and made it more commercial. Also, he's got a good sense of humor, he's willing to poke fun at himself.
Totally agree on TFTO.
Totally agree on TFTO.
Can..
...only take them in choicely picked snippets, mainly from Tago Mago
and David W must be clearly insane - Chicory feckin' Tip, what else did they do apart from be the first band on TOTP with a Mouge (note spelling)?
Yes and Boston... well, just Get Bent Man!
Shakey ground
Seems to me like a titanic tussle between prog and naff so far but surely the fact that Shakin' Stevens has been resurrected to play Glasto must put the fear of God into anyone old enough to remember him gyrating on TOTP on a weekly basis. I say gyrate, but it was basically wobbling one leg around while miming to old rock n,'roll songs that 'the kids' were too young to remember. GARN !!!!
very
shaky ground - unacceptable IMO
OMD
Horrible dad dancing, plastic synth anthems and Atomic Kitten. But Architecture and Morality is a bit of a cracker...
If Phil Collins is elected as cool...I'm leaving the country
I think Mr Collins lives in Switzerland these days, which is desperately uncool in itself.
100%
Choosing your home / country of residence based on how much tax you wont pay when you are a millionaire already, nothing wrong with it, just not the actions of a cool, ahem, dude.
Dave Stewart & Barbara Gaskin
Number 1 for four weeks, signed to Stiff Records...how cool is that?
http://www.myspace.com/davestewartbarbaragaskin
Dave Stewart stopped being cool when he cut his hair
and ditched the fuzz-toned organ.
The Coolest Uncool People
On the Shaky debate even from someone classed as 'insane'arent Hot Dog and Marie ,Marie classics ....was it Geraint Watkins on guitar ...top singles I agree 'Julie' and the Xmas stuff not good...
How about Darts ! great band ,great fun live ....
Uncool
This is shaping up to be a great list of the terminally uncool. Particular when you add in all the variously deluded folk who are suggesting.
(I might go along with the Eurythmics though)
Donny and Weird Al
Got to give it to Donny Osmond for that. But are we missing the elephant in the room that is Weird Al himself? Cool, or uncool?
WEIRD AL DOES BOB
Have you seen Al doing Subterranean Homesick Blues. I love it.
Let's hear it for Baz
I've always thought it unfair that Barry Manilow is regarded as so uncool. He's written some beautiful songs but people tend to judge him on his hairdo, lack of taste in pullovers and the fact that quite a lot of his fans look like Mrs Doyle.
Final word on Phil Collins
In the early `80s Phil Collins was offered life membership of Accrington Stanley FC because he looked like the current player and former Burnley winger Ashley Hoskin. I believe he never flew from Switzerland to the Crown Ground to take in a match and most supporters would rather gloss over this ill advised piece of PR. Now how cool is that, being airbrushed from the history of Accrington Stanley!!
Phil Collins the final word
In the early `80s Phil Collins was offered life membership of Accrington Stanley FC because he looked like current player and former Burnley winger Ashley Hoskin. I don`t think Phil ever made the long trip from Switzerland to the Crown Ground to take in a game and most current supporters are embarrased by this unfortunate PR gaffe. So being airbrushed out of Accrington Stanleys history, cool or not!
Doh!
Double post.. how uncool is that
Rick Astley for President of the U.S.A.
George Bush Singers
Embetterment Ingrinable
I have only 2.5 words to say to you...
...hank b marvin.
Hey! you there
in the shadows...
he's not red...
...and there's no rocks in him!
The Hollies
Wonderful collection of singles with unbelievable harmonies and a great guitar player in Tony Hicks.
I think George Martin produced a few of them. Seriously uncool with the Dylan album and the horrible "Air That I Breathe".
Jim Kerr
Let's pretend Belfast Child et al didn't happen and focus on the cooler than cool early 80's; the sounds of The American, I Travel, Theme for Great Cities and Someone Somewhere in Summertime. And they looked cool too....!
AND - he shagged a Pretender and Patsy Kensit and tried to buy Celtic
What's not to like?
The weird way he holds a mic?
It's like he saw Alvin Stardust and thought a 'mic gimmick' was a good idea.
The last bit
I was with you until then!
He can't get arrested in the UK now
but he's still done some pretty cool stuff in his time:
Yes.
I thought he was a bit over the top on Changing Rooms but I liked that programme he did with Dairmuid Gavin.
Gordon Brown
He looks like a haunted house and probably stood in a corner at university discos with half a pint of bitter while everyone else was frugging and mash-potatoing, but so what if he's serious and intense and can't quip at Question Time? Do we want Ken Dodd as Prime Minister? (mmm...actually)
You can tell he's spending pen-chewing hours thinking about the country's problems and it's painful to watch an obviously thin-skinned man being goaded by smarmy, arse-faced chancer David 'Sincere Dave' Cameron.
The Sun 'Spelingate' rumpus could be a turning point. Come on Gordon!
Correction
I think it would have been half a pint of heavy ;-)
Ha-ha, yes...
..a 70 Shillings or a two-bob for prudent Gordon.