Coolest Uncool People
Some poor souls have been cast into outer darkness for far too long. It's time to forgive, forget and let them back in again. I would like to nominate:-
ROLF HARRIS: made the 'novelty' record Sun Arise with George Martin at the age of 32, a ground-breaking piece of production full of exotic aboriginal noise. Solicited the most revealing and extraordinary interview from The Queen while painting her portrait - like a hairdresser with a relaxed but slightly bored subject - in 2006, at the age of 76. Enough to overshadow anything irksome in between.
PHIL COLLINS: tremendous drummer, perfectly acceptable singer, veteran of such almighty prog excursions as The Return Of The Giant Hogweed on 1971's Nursery Crime, produced a lovable John Martyn album, been sampled to death, makes good speeches. Fine fellow.
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Ooh, my soul
DAVID ESSEX: "Rock On" was perfect pop, several million Jackie readers had frequent fantasies about him offering to dab on their Clearasil, his acting in That'll Be The Day and Stardust easily out-thesped Jagger, Bowie and Daltrey's fair-to-pitiful celluloid outings. . . yet his rep came in for a clobbering just because he said "Okay, put him through" when Andrew Lloyd-Webber called, and into the Forever Uncool bin he went. Very unfair.
(He's even managed to age very well, now looking a bit like an Alien-era Ian Holm.)
doesn't
appearing in Heartbeat as loveable rogue gypsy tinker through him back into the darkness?
He's always been cool to me
At his best - Rock On, Stardust, All The Fun of The Fair - he could be as arty as Bowie and Ferry.
Nod and a wink
"Hold Me Close" is one of the great singles. You can almost hear him wink on it.
Hear him wink?
Trouble is what you CAN hear. The boy cannot sing for toffee. All the rest of the comments may be true, but come on, he makes Kevin Rowland sound like Pavarotti or, in later "musical" days, like the "we have all been to the same voice coach" studied breathing croon of Michael Ball, Paul Nicholas and all that ilk.
thanks
thanks for that. it's still one of the great singles. It comes on the radio, I smile. That'll do it for me.
AND
has made wonderful records and films with National Treasures Saint Etienne...
Brian May
Big hair, had carnal knowledge of an Eastender, played Live Aid AND the roof of Buck House.
Also has a brain the size of a small Welsh village.
You forgot the One Fact
He plays his guitar with a. . . .
One's Brian May...
The other's a christmas pudding.
One utilises a sixpence, the other a threepenny bit. I forget which way round it is.
Brian
a fireplace? or an asteroid?
You Forgot Another
His guitar was fashioned out of an old fire surround by...
The Stickybackplastocaster!
For years now, it's been my mission in life to get that to catch on. It's not happening, is it.
It SO should catch on
It's a great name. Well done!
isn't this
a plank in the argument against him! sorry
I agree with Essex
I've just installed a clip of him and Ringo in Stardust in the Beatles Story - it features Billy Fury too!
I Nominate Mike Oldfield
Made the humongous Tubular Bells and the 2nd and 3rd (Hergest Ridge and Ommadawn but not sure which way round) were pretty decent too. Ever since he has been bashed from pillar to post for his music and some of his slightly right wing comments - I think his new cd is pretty good. Responsible above anyone else for making Richard Branson a wealthy geezer so indirectly he has helped us with cheap travel. Whats not to like about him?
Ommagawd
Is what Island Records office whiteboard of forthcoming releases had penned on it when it was scheduled. But agreed, seems like a nice chap. Seconded.
And while we're at it. . .
why not let Richard Branson himself back in? If it weren't for his first shops, how the hell was a young man supposed to have satisfied his craving for The Faust Tapes and Amon Düül II imports?
No no no
I can't. Maybe if he paid UK tax it might be a start. Thank Clapton (sneaky tangential Bonzos reference) he didn't get his hands on Northern Rock - not only tax free profit but this time bankrolled by the tax payer rather than the punter. I agree he started well but since then.....
Twangential reference
That was a bit sly, yes, but it'll do.
Next thread.
I don't know whether he counts but....
...what about Ronnie Corbett?
For years he laboured in the shadows of the evidently edgier Ronnie Barker and all the jokes seemed to be about his stature.
But then he made that cameo appearance in the BAFTAS episode of "Extras" - for that alone he should be carried around in a sedan chair.
That reminds me. . .
LES DAWSON: Manchester's very own Victor Borge. I'm quite serious; not just the piano shtick, but - like Victoria Wood (also now undeservedly maligned) - he was also a brilliant observer of how words are used by the nattering classes.
when???
were either of these people uncool???
Les fell foul of the Alternative Comedy police. . .
I assume because he did standup in a dinner jacket rather than a rugby shirt and 501s, he told mother-in-law jokes, he was a regular on the panto circuit, he did a lodda great work for charadee, etc.
I agree
The only northern comedian who was ever family-safe, funny and versatile.
Mick Jagger
How about MJ? Yes he's a royalty sniffing posing dirty old man with ridiculous vari-accents etc etc - but my oh my is he a rock star! The recent 'cast discussion got me thinking about this. I defy anyone to watch even recent footage without a sneaking feeling that this is probably one of the most charismatic human beings on the planet. Who else would you have fronting your band?
I'd like to nominate Gary Numan.
Only kidding.
Paul McCartney
Capable of being cool and uncool all at the same time!!
Peter Serafinowicz
who does a great McCartney impersonation made a really good quote in the Word when asked about Macca: “I love him ... but he’s a bit of a tit”. Says it all really.
Perry Como
It seems OK in rock’n’roll circles to like Sinatra, Dean Martin and Tony Bennet, but Perry Como’s still beyond the pale. Sold millions of records and was America’s biggest TV star for years. Married his childhood sweetheart and they stayed together until she died in her ’80s. Was recording songs by contemporary writers like Don Maclean (And I Love You So) and Kris Kristofferson (For The Good Times) in his ’60s; and his versions of those songs are brilliant. That’s cool in my book.
I liked...
...Elvis' version of 'It's Impossible'- didn't Perry Como do that? Actually that brings me to another pariah- Elvis Presley's 70s output. There's some amazing, powerful music from that period- I think if someone put together a decent compilation of the best of those songs (like Julian Cope did with Scott Walker) people would see it in a different light and wouldn't just regurgitate the cliches.
I'm not so sure about the lack of cool of The Rolfster
About 10 years ago I was given complimentary tickets to a charity cartoon auction in Knightsbridge. I took the GLW and we enjoyed a good deal of free champagne and had an excellent evening.
There was an exhibition of cartoons by probably every cartoonist you can think of. A selection went up for auction. The biggest earning lot under the hammer that evening was one of Rolf's. I can't remember how many thousand it went for, but I know it was more than I could have contemplated paying and a big surprise to us that he earned the most for whichever charity it was.
Dare I say
Pre 1976 Elton John. I still really like his stuff from that era.
Agree
about early Elton.
Wasn't he very cool then?
It was only post Yellow Brick that his oevre dipped. And dipped. And dipped.
Probably in inverse relation to his bank balance.
Yes
I think they've been branded as uncool unfairly. Sure they released Tales from Topographic Oceans, but they also recorded some really terrific stuff like Roundabout, Going for the One, and Yours Is No Disgrace.
Great live band, could all play their instruments (to say the least) and Squire and Wakeman always seemed to have a decent sense of humour about the whole thing.
Deffo. Seconded.
Deffo. Seconded.
Affirmative - Thirded
Let's just draw a veil over Tales From Torporgraphic Oceans. "The Yes Album", "Fragile" and "Close To The Edge" just excited the hell out of the 15-year-old me at the time. Their critics moaned about their pretention and self-indulgence, but be assured my teenage self didn't sit there nodding smugly as I listened, rubbing my bumfluffed chin and thinking "gosh, how clever they are, and how clever I seem when I'm seen listening to them". Nope, I was too busy riding my own pounding pulsebeat, and excitedly thinking "fuck, this is GREAT!". Tremendously exciting live band around that time, too. A mate who found their recordings turgid was persuaded to come to a gig with me, and grinned maniacally through the whole thing.
Great blog...
...and I thoroughly agree with Mark Ellen on Phil Collins. I have a massive amount of respect for Phil; the Genesis albums from 1971-80 are all personal favourites and there's not many duff tracks on them. Although much patchier, I have time for the later ones too. Love Phil's solo debut 'Face Value' and 'I Wish It Would Rain Down' is one hell of a song- coaxed out of Eric Clapton a performance he hadn't given on his own albums for some time! Despite the fax divorce issues and the controversy over his alleged political persuasions (something he has always denied), he comes off as a decent bloke too and not at all deserving of the flak he gets from the likes of Noel Gallagher. And I'd be here all week if I was going to run down all the great albums he's played on as a drummer.
Yes are more favourites of mine; I'll even defend 'Tales From Topographic Oceans'. Not all of it comes off but there's some amazing music on there. 'Close To The Edge' is one of my desert island discs, but I like most everything they put out in the 70s (save 'Tormato'!). '90125' is still a great album too, I think.
Elton John was great from about 1970-5; 'Someone Saved My Life Tonight' is just a work of genius. Yes, his 80s and 90s output is generally dire (to say the least) but am I alone in thinking he's turned it around recently? 'Songs From The West Coast' and 'The Captain And The Kid' I tend to play as much as the classic 70s albums.
David Essex; I loved 'Rock On', and always thought 'Gonna Make You A Star' was way above the novelty trash in the charts at the time as well.
Paul McCartney is another musical hero and I am always disappointed by the flak he gets when he's put out some damned good solo albums- more than Lennon managed, in my opinion.
Mike Oldfield seems to be a bit of a grumpy old man to say the least but I liked some of his albums, particularly 'Ommadawn' and the barking mad 'Amarok'.
I have to nominate Marillion; too often castigated for being Genesis clones but save the overegged 'Grendel' which knocked off 'Supper's Ready' (and badly, too!) there's not too much in common between them. Since Steve Hogarth took over they've arguably become a much more diverse beast; I nominate 'Afraid Of Sunlight' which is a truly brilliant, emotionally powerful album.
Chris Rea
Friends of mine won't even listen to him. I blame the fact that he had his chart heyday at the same time as Chris de Burgh and they get bracketed together solely by virtue of having the same Christian name!! Also his first few albums, before he got into his stride, weren't great.
I love his voice, his slide playing, and he's written some great songs. Try the Water Sign album if you're a newcomer.
agree
Chris Rea is cool. No doubt about it.
And Shamrock Diaries!
This is a bloody good album, containing a couple of hits, Josephine and Stainsby Girls (delightful nod to California Girls and Back In The USSR), and some other great songs, notably Steel River.
I'll second that
His 11-disc 'Blue Guitars' is an amazing achievement. Real variety and depth, smooth and gutsy.
So Cool By The Fire On Christmas Eve..............
Surely its time Val Doonican graced our screens one final time, for a one off Christmas Special on Christmas Eve.

For many youngsters, parents and old folk, Val's Seventies Show was the start of the excitment on cold Christmas Eves (when it used to be proper cold for weeks on end, with snow drifts and all manner of degrees minus) as we sat by the roaring fire, nibbling on steaming ,crisp mince pies, as we took precious sips from a glass of ice chilled babychampers (with cherries in) as a special one off Christmas treat.
Val's cutting edge show, always begged important questions such as 1)How many jumpers would dishy Doonican wear in one evening? 2)Would he fall off his rocking chair? 3) Would he sit in with the audience on a dangerous looking high seat? and 4) What would his Christmas girls look like that year?
Val is an entertainer, we must see again. Rumours are that Doonican will be playing Dr Who's long lost father in this years Christmas Special. Please can this happen, is it just possible for this Star Of Wonder to make a return to our homes this year.For many of us, Val is Father Christmas.
I have to say.....
....having caught some of it by chance (waiting for Corrie, since you ask), last nights documentary on Val was great. It made me rethink all those saturday nights my mum spent in front of the telly.
Posting on another thread...
...he'll never ever be reappraised for his later sins (not to mention going around claiming 'I'm probably the most radical rock star there's ever been'!) but Cliff Richard did some great records early on. John Lennon even attested to 'Move It's brilliance. I love 'Dynamite' and 'Nine Times Out Of Ten' and have a fair bit of time for later tunes like 'Devil Woman' and 'Wired For Sound'.
Del Amitri
Made some truly great albums, full of whiskey remorse and barfly tales of love and disappointment on frozen northern city streets. And, seriously, who ever wrote a better couplet than: "Don't get so distressed if the good life won't arrive, you've been seeing SOS when it's just your clock reading 5:05"?
Also:
Marillion - dreadful, windy 80s prog monsters reinvented as sleek, 90s/Noughties art rockers under the expert stewardship of soulful, floppy-fringed singer-songwriter Steve Hogarth. Now sit at the intersection where Talk Talk meet the Blue Nile and Radiohead (as opposed to where Rush meet Genesis, which sounds like a very tight spot indeed). Oh, and they invented putting music on the internet (or something).
Well Said
I'll raise my glass those two suggestions sir!
second that - slightly
Whilst I rave about Del Amitri to this day, I still struggle with Marillion ... it just doesn't seem worth the bother AND their jester was a pale shadow of the Killing Joke evil shadowy icon from years before.
Yes, but...
...Del Amitri also wrote the couplet:
'While American businessmen snap up Van Goghs for the price of a hospital wing'
...which must be the most leaden 'fight the system' line on rock history.
Del Boys
"Driving With The Brakes On" is one terrific tune!!
it did its' job though
assuming you remembered it rather than googling lyrics it did its job ... although I would place the Crowded House anti -US fat attack "Chocolate Cake" higher in the rankings.
Let's see...
...how about...
Shakin' Stevens - when he covered that P!nk tune
Pink Floyd - the perennial schoolboy favourite (we don't need no education...)
The Osmonds - Crazy Horses
Donny Osmond these days in particular seems to be looking pretty good for his age and is apparently on permanent standby to rip the piss out of himself. Have a look at this clip of him with Weird Al Yankovich... (it's green screen because they only used part of this for the final video)
isn't we don't need no education
the most regressive song ever written, education being cool while psoh boy whingeing not being. Having said that when did we start giving a fig whether something was cool before we liked it. Cool being the most fleeting of things generally most of the acts above have survived because they weren't cool.
This does exclude Tory boy Collins though.
Bing Crosby
Actually a hep cat, wise to the crazy new sounds of Jazz music long before Frank (immortalised in "High Society"'s "Well did you evah")
(watch about 2'13" in)
and possibly the cooler party in the Bowie n' Bing Xmas perennial
As for Phil Collins, putting aside his contributions to great albums by Martyn, Eno and Wyatt, surely his stinking turd of a "social awareness" song "Another day in paradise" (While simultaneously lionising Thatcher Phil? the irony is so rich it makes me want to puke) should torpedo his credentials as someone to admire, well below the waterline...
Phil the Tory?
Well, there are two questions to ask here...
1. Did Phil actually lionise Mrs T., or is it just hearsay, like the totally untrue story that he divorced his wife by fax.
2. Phil has raised huge amounts of money, as well as giving away quite a bit of his own personal stash. On one tour he basically told the audience 'Instead of buying loads of merchandise, why not put the money into our "aid charity buckets". I will match the sum raised, pound-for-pound.'
The question is: what matters more; orthodoxy - having the right opinions and being seen to support the 'correct side' - or 'orthopraxis' - ie doing right, whether you are seen to do so or not.
The music biz much prefers the posturing of the 'doxy' to the hard work of the 'praxis'.
Isn't it about time the tables were turned?...
Phil Collins
Phil Collins turned up on the telly when I was in Spain last week. I was channel hopping and happened on a German channel - it looked like he was a judge on some bizarre talent show. Very odd.
Phil Collins
It was worse than I thought - he was a judge on "Ich Tarzan Du Jane". Yikes. Access to the cool file denied.
I would have said Mike Oldfield, too
until I read that interview with him in The Times a few weeks ago, in which he basically said that punk rock should have been banned as it was the cause of today's malaise in our young.
The emphasis is on the "young" Mike, you dick. Today's 16 year olds were born in 1992. Punk was pretty much over by 1979. So it's not the fault of our rampant consumerism, the sexualisation of children by our media,the obsession with size, weight and looks, the longest working hours in Europe with families spending more and more time apart and the biggest gap between the rich and poor since Dickens' time.
No, it's none of that. Let's blame it on the Anti Nowhere League instead.
Reminds me of why I despise these mansion dwelling middle aged tossers so much. When was the last time they looked out of their windows?
Agree with you on Phil Collins, though. Great musician and songwriter who also seems to know what's going on in the world. Also has an almost pathological hatred of American television evangelists, so he'd get the thumbs up from me on that alone.
Yeah...
...Mike Oldfield's endless carping on about punk IS tedious. I remember reading a bit of his autobiography where he disdainfully said he could see how punk bands would find rock stars who played with orchestras 'annoying'...what was 'The Orchestral Tubular Bells' then??
Chinn/Chapman
...an outstanding run of stupendous hit singles that have stood the test of time.
Money For Nothing
...........And of course Level 42, Deacon Blue and Dire Straits. The latter loved by Razorlight,Kaiser Chiefs and The Killers covered "Romeo & Juliet" in their honour.
Dire Straits
Funnily enough I was only recently pondering that it is hard to think of a band in the same sales league as Dire Straits that is getting a similar level of indifference as to whether they may or may not reform.
I've seen Dire Straits live...
...so I know why no one cares if they get back together. It was like watching paint dry, the most dull and personality-free bunch I've ever seen on a stage.
But........
Also see Pink Floyd, but Dire Strait's Alchemy live album is far from dull!
Why have I never seen a magazine article on...
Billy Joel. He holds a special place in my heart as he was my first proper album when I was 9, but I revisited his catalogue 2 summers ago and it's fantastic. Laura, Scandinavian Skies, Vienna, All for Leyna, Miami 2017 (especially the live version on Songs in the Attic), all great songs. Nylon Curtain is a great record, the kind of album Lennon should have been making if he'd made it through the eighties. Respect to the Piano Man.
Some kind soul has made their own video for Scandinavian Skies using footage of Scandinavian skies...
Hear hear!
Anthony's Song, New York State of Mind, Uptown Girl, these are all great songs. I imagine seeing him live would be great.
hear hear hear
and 'Scenes from an Italian restaurant'Was going to see him in concert too til I realised how expensive the tickets were.....
For Pete's Sake!
Don't forget the Monkees!!! Headquarters and (especially) Pisces Aquarius Capricorn and Jones Ltd are fine albums. Pleasant Valley Sunday, She Hangs Out, You Just May Be the One and Randy Scouse Git stand up as good as anything from 40 years ago.
Where does it end ?
....Des O'Connor ? .....Peters & Lee ?
Let's hear it for ABC
I'm so tired of this guilty pleasures rubbish, ABC were mint! Also agree Darcy's Marillion post Fish and Del Amitri post. I remember the Q headline for the review of the second Del Amitri album: 'Hotel Caledonia' !
This is the problem with
This is the problem with guilty pleasures ... some of them are guilty for a reason. I bow to no man in my enjoyment of verboten 90s cheese, though. You could make a case for selected singles (singles, mind!!) by just about all the 80s artists named above and append works of semi-genius by Curiosity Killed The Cat, Haircut 100, Alexander O'Neal, yada yada....
It wasn't all Smiths, Costello and Public Enemy, you know.
Hey,
Alexander O'Neal made some great albums too, his first two are cracking.
As is Haircut 100's only album.
But this thread
isn't about guilty pleasures, it's about who has been unfairly tarred with the uncool stick. A few of the artists may be the same, but there is a difference.
Herbie Flowers
Bass on Walk on the Wild Side (invented that famous bass line, got paid 25 quid or something ridiculous by tight old Uncle Lou) but then wrote "Grandad" by Clive Dunn which went to number one. Now which one of those is cool? Both of course
Phil Collins
Fully agree with you on Phil Collins. With the comments on Hogweed / Nursery Cryme, does this mean that the forthcoming 70 - 75 boxset reissue will get an unbiased / positive review from the good people at Word rather than the usual "its Genesis, it must be crap" from other magazines......
Yeah...
...but that was magazines like Q that slagged off those reissues. I don't expect anything else from that publication!
'Live Over Europe' was good but for me it didn't quite capture the tour as all the speeches were cut. I think the Rome gig due on DVD (most of which is getting shown on BBC4 soon, by the way) will do a better job. There's a definite double standard at play with a lot of the old progressive rock bands; Muse and Mars Volta always get critical acclaim despite often being more bombastic and overblown than the 70s bands they pillory.
Agreed
I bought the recent Genesis Live Over Europe CD, recorded on their 2007 tour, and it's bloody marvelous. As much as I like Muse, the Genesis Live album urinates all over their recent Live At Wembly cd/dvd the music press were salivating over.
I'd like to think that someone who knows Phil reads these messages of support and passes them onto him. If I ever bumped into him at an airport or something, I think I'd feel compelled to shake him by the hand and tell him that there are a lot of people in Britain who actually think he's pretty cool.
Margaret Thatcher
You just can't get any un-cooler.
Hey! I voted for her on three occasions. I'd do it again! What do you think of that?
Please post all spiteful and nasty comments below...
Let´s Get It On
During my university days, I had inadvertently packed my Dad´s Perry Como Greatest Hits LP into my luggage ( yeah, right ) It soon became legendary on campus as the ultimate mood-setting ( ahem ! )music and was in constant demand. I kid you not
Damn
That's where I went wrong. I used to rely upon "In A Glass House" by Gentle Giant.
MICK HUCKNALL & STEVIE WONDER
Fully agree with Messrs Collins, Essex and Oldfield. Why do we prefer to remember the clunkers they all made and overlook the great stuff? Odd...
Mick Hucknall. I'm probably the only Word reader to think he's a great singer surrounded by great musicians; he writes bloody good pop / rock / soul songs and his only crime seems to be being popular. Good luck to the bloke.
Stevie Wonder: derided for some dreadful overly-saccharined balads in the 80's and does seem like a bit of a cabaret turn sometimes, but what a back catalogue! And what a cultural and musical giant.
I don't care but can The
I don't care but can The Word please stop standing up for Phil Collins.
His music is dull and his threat to live overseas if Labour won the election was just repulsive.
Mark, I really don't care about your rock star mates but please stop embarrassing an otherwise fine music mag with your Phil Collins bleating.
Trust me - if the Word gets a reputation for being Pro-Collins then you're, quite rightly, finished.
Simple Minds, China Crisis
Younger readers would probably never believe that Simple Minds were an uber-cool band when they first arrived. Their early albums - up to and including New Gold Dream - are really excellent.
China Crisis are now bottom-of-the-bill 'Here & Now' end-of-pier 80s tokenists, but their first two albums were fantastic and were John Peel-lauded early indie classics.
I'd even hold a candle for Sparkle in the Rain....
Had a half decent stab at "Street Hassle" on that too..
Kerr now is a wisened erudite chappie, definitely one for a "Word" interview - maybe to tie in with "New Gold Dream" tour?
Rod Stewart....
Can we just pretend that the American Songbook series just didn't happen and that the real Rod went back to his home planet in 1974?
Phil Collins gets no reprieve in these quarters. Easy Lover and A Groovy Kind of Love revoke any bail conditions
No relation
Dare I suggest Al Stewart?
The 'Mics
I have never understood why the Eurythmics have never been held up as musical pioneers in the same way that, say, Human League or Depeche Mode are. They are surely the WEIRDEST of all 80s mega-bands, starting their recording history collaborating with Conny Plank and other Krautrock freaks, inventing acid house on a b-side in 1983, and even at the absolute pinnacle of their mega-super-duper-wooper-fame going completely batshit and releasing the absolutely incredible 'Savage' and accompanying "video album". A great, great band - pity Dave Stewart is a twit and Annie Lennox candidate for the most po-faced therapy victim in the western hemisphere, mind.
think you've just
argued yourself out of that one! Don't Come Around Here No More still stands up today. So many great artists seem to love Dave he can't be all bad... the later Eurythmics were overproduced though.
fuck...if so many word
fuck...if so many word readers actually like Phil Collins then I'm getting the wrong magazine.
Maybe it's time to switch.
Timidly suggest....
Maybe it's time to listen? Try to get past the 80s thing - pretty much everything in the 80s was horrible - maybe there was something in the water - listen to some of the Genesis mentioned avove or Brand X - fabulous drumming. Or the first solo album - the diary of someone whose life is falling apart. If you already have and don't like it then Q/Mojo etc etc await! Anyway, surely entertaining the possibility that wholesale writing of of the guy might be a bit much ain't no capital crime (as the song goes) is it?
Perhaps it is...
...time to get Q. Mojo are a classier magazine in my opinion.
I don't personally much care who Collins has voted for either way. And he's sure as hell not the only person to have recorded dross in the 80s...
Funny David Essex aside
Went to see Alabama 3 last night - they played Wolverhampton Wulfrun Hall which is next to Wolverhampton Civic where David Essex was playing.
The leader of Alabama 3 said that he went and had a look at the queue of people waiting to get in to see David Essex and proclaimed that there was not one 'shaggable person' in the whole line. He then went on to make some rather more rude comments that cannot be repeated here but it somehow sums up why David Essex should not be rehabilitated into the canon of cool people.
Anyone seriously suggesting that we should re-evaluate Margaret Thatcher shouldnt even be allowed on the site. Can we have some quality control around these parts please!!!
Also, have to agree that as good as Genesis were as a band Mr Collins as a person and as a solo artist is something of a plonker.
Went to see 'em in Manchester
That lady has got a hell of a set of pipes for such a small one!
Great gig as aways.
Stolen Act
Steve,
Maggie gave us John Major and nu labour which, as crimes go, probably means she will have to stay uncool and can't be rehabilitated yet. Tony stole his entire act from her.
Agree entirely about Mr C tho'
Plenty
of artists are plonkers; the fact that someone deems their music of sufficient quality to distribute doesn't mean the person(s) behind it are automatically hip dudes; I refer you to Mozzer of late as an example.
I agree with earlier comments; Mr. Collins is undoubtedly uncool, but his first two solo albums are brilliant. If you can't listen to 'If Leaving Me Is Easy' without recognising the artistic quality and integrity behind it, can I suggest your emotions may have been replaced by a small collection of stones?
Also take great pleasure from the comments about the Dels and Marillion on here; far more positive output than negative across two relatively lengthy careers and more musical nous than 98% of the dross currently available, but they didn't and don't wear what the record company wanted/wants them to and they liked songs with a beginning, middle and end. Oh, the shame.
I highly recommend anything by either, particularly Brave by Marillion, which is the album Radiohead wished they could write, Change Everything by the Dels and Justin Currie's latest solo effort. I'm cool with being uncool, thanks.
A man named Val
Time to post this one again, then.
Cool v Uncool
I've never understood why it is somehow becoming okay to own up to a shadowy fondness for the likes of Yes (all brown rice and goblin-hugging, with the exception of R Wakeman, who was more a jobbing keyboardist in a cape who could play a bit), Jethro Tull, Genesis, and even the deadly-dull Camel, while mentioning the three letters E, L and P still prompts snorts of derisory laughter.
Anyone who approaches the band with unprejudiced ears and eyes will find three talented musicians at the top of their game, taking chances, melding influences from jazz to Bach with a balls-out rock sensibility and sense of showmanship that was sometimes, perhaps even often, overblown, but never less than fun. No-one could ever accuse Keith Emerson of taking himself too seriously, then or now (read his autobiography, 'Pictures of an Exhibitionist', and delve back to The Nice).
Perhaps, with a new CD due from him this summer, Word might even offer a new perspective on this much-maligned musician beyond the knee-jerk ridicule based on decades of post-punk posturing that seems to be the norm.
Sits back and waits for the usual deluge of derision.
Emmo
I do find quite a lot of their stuff hard going and like some, but there's no denying what a great player Emmo is - in his biog, do you get a feeling for how on earth he got to be so good? Did he start at 3? Did he go to music school? What did he do before ELP? I know virtually nothing about him. I heard an album of him on acoustic piano and it was top drawer.
Keith Emerson's autobiography
All these questions answered, and more. A rollicking good read - though he could have done with a decent proof-reader!
Typo
I flicked through it in a shop. They had a tiny piece of paper slotted into the book explaining a typo! Something about a description of his pregnant mum having to leave where she was living, and how the typo makes it sound like it was him who was pregnant.
I love, and always have done...
...the early ELP albums from the debut through to and including 'Brain Salad Surgery'. They are far, far better than the punk 'year zero' music journalist orthodoxy would imply, as you say. Edward Macan wrote a terrific tome on the band called 'The Endless Enigma' and he basically showed up a great deal of prejudice in the bad reviews they got.
I'm not too fond of much they did from 'Works Volume 1' onwards though. That album marks the point where the mega-bloat sets in.
Have these ever been cool?
THE THOMPSON TWINS: Some great singles - what's the difference between them and any other band of their ilk?
DOLLAR: Not quite there yet with the revival, but some great songs. If only Davd Van Day wasn't such a twat.
HAIRCUT 100: If only for the arran jumpers.
JON AND VANGELIS: The revival starts here. Friends of Mr Cairo is oft overlooked.
MIDDLE OF THE ROAD: Big in Germany
BA ROBERTSON: What's not to like?
DONOVAN: Inexplicably still the object of ridicule
BLANCMANGE: Why did they ever fall out of favour?
Haircut 100
Were exceptionally ace. There are truly underratted pop artistes.
Nick Heywood
Fantastic Day ,Whistle Down the Wind
Brilliant
Middle Of The Road
Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep, a long forgotten buried classic. Made a reappearance in my life via the "Breakfast On Pluto" soundtrack.
BA Robertson, what's not to like....?
Well, this for starters
And the nominees are ......
JETHRO TULL - Aqualung, a serioulsy great record
RUSH
ELO - come on, its all serioyusly great pop music....
Never mind Phil Colins, what about GENESIS? Never considered cool, but they should be. Series of great records once that loser Gabriel had been dumped.
Rush
Yikes!! Gawd help us. Science Fiction type 'orrible lyrics, Ayn Rand, shrieking blackboard finger nails vocals , dire drum solos, wanky guitars, quick get me the straight jackets!!
ELO-I completely agree, but Bev Bevan is still a Tory twat
Um...
...would that be the same Genesis who went all middle-of-the-road with Phil Collins?
Love Rush...
...but I'll concede that subtlety isn't a strong point. Still, they haven't done anything remotely sci-fi related for about 30 years; there are some fantastic songs like 'Distant Early Warning', 'The Big Money', 'Subdivisions', 'Limelight' and 'Red Sector A' that they did in the 80s.
ELO; I must be honest, I've never been a huge fan. 'Mr Blue Sky' is a classic, though, whilst the out-and-out soppiness of 'Telephone Line' and the plain daft '...Horace Wimp' are enjoyable.
There was a thread about The 'Tull recently and there are quite a few fans from this parish.
Tullish
The last good thing to be said about the USA is that you can still hear Tull on the radio.
Tullism
In all its glory....and a very funny video to boot
THE GRATEFUL DEAD
Long associated with such incisive critical observations as, "long, meandering" and "jam" and "old hippies" etc etc but fronted by a genius guitar player (J. Garcia) + a Spinal Tap-esque but tragically real problem with deceased keyboard players + a poet / lyricist / part-time member + some truly magnificent music through the years. Anyone who hasn't got "American Beauty" and "Workingman's Dead" in their collection really needs to visit HMV this weekend.
The Dead
Add 'Live Dead" to those two and you have the perfect little Dead collection
Phil Collins ????
I agree with a few of the posters - why all this Collins love ?
IMHO he's not that good - average drummer(lets hear it for Chester!!) ok singer and only reason he is the frontman is down to the fact that the rest of the band have even less stage presence than he has. Oh and he looks like Bob Hoskins - not a good look....ever
I do think Marillion both pre and post Fish have a bad deal they are a decent band, some great songs (lets forget Lavender!) and really do get the "uncool" badge far to often.
Fish as a solo artist is pretty decent as well but not sure he's uncool or just unsupported!
The Genre That Dare Not Speak It's Name
I am going to stick up for Goth. I refer of course to the 80s / early 90s vintage, not the shrieking metal guff in a leather trenchcoat that seems to pass as goth these days. The Sisters Of Mercy made some absolutely superhuman records between 1983 and 1985, and more than a few worthwhile ones afterwards, but how often do you ever see a Sisters retrospective in the monthly press? Similiarly, Fields Of The Nephilim may have been saddled with a ludicrous quasi-western image, and went on entirely too much about some mystical bollocks or other, but they did make at least two classic albums, of which "Elizium" comes heartily recommended to everyone above me who has mentioned Yes, Genesis, etc. Goth-prog, if you can imagine such a thing, and bloody marvellous it is too - check out the "Wail Of Sumer / And There Will Your Heart Be Also" pairing at the end of the album for proof (there is only a dodgy live rendition by the imposters currently passing themselves off as the Neph on Youtube and I'm not going to link to it)
Amen Sister!
do a Google on Myheartland and Dawnrazor for two rather spiffing forums of "Trad Goth"
Surely...
...ABBA must qualify? Quickly dismissed after Waterloo as Europop trash, their sterling efforts and output saw them mature into one classy act complete with Fleetwood Mac-style inter-marital shennanigans for tabloid cred. And, of course, Dancing Queen goes down as one of the quintesssential disco records of all time.
1987 was a good year
for Bruce Springsteen, what with Tunnel Of Love 'un that, but from the same year, John Cougar Mellencamp's The Lonsome Jubilee is quite simply a better album. You heard me. Better. Album.
Not bad for a 'Springsteen wanabee' (allegedly).
Tip top choice.
Mellencamps finest hour. Still worth listening to, with his newer stuff as well.
I always preferred the line about he and Steve Earle meeting somewhere in the middle, as one was moving from country to rock and the other in the opposite direction.
Andy,
when were Abba ever uncool? They were brilliant!
I'm shocked; are there really people in this Parish who think the biggest Swedish import since Volvo are uncool.
First album my mother let me play on the gramophone? 'Arrival' - doesn't get cooler than that.
Can I suggest Katie Melua?
No really I'm serious. I know that that "Nine million bicycles in Beijing" line is awfully clunky and Radio 2 are a bit too fond of her and indeed the Mike Batt connection is a bit dodgy, but she's a damn fine singer, extremely lovely looking in a safe Clare Grogan-y way, has a wonderful sense of humor when she is on the telly and even sung a factually accurate version of that bicycles song once which really made me laugh. Maybe not a Winehouse but she's miles better than Eva Cassidy.
Can I also nominate Slayer? Motorhead have been co-opted by the tedious ironists of this world and are now acceptable to be name dropped in mixed company but Slayer are as uncompromising as ever. As a teenage boy I nearly played South Of Heaven to death and even now, as a terribly intelligent thirty something media twat, the opening chords to that tune has the ability to turn me back to the Beavis-y teenage neanderthal that I was when I first heard it. Reign In Blood is still brilliant as well.
And Gary Glitter? I used to go and see him every Christmas Eve at the SEC in Glasgow and it was great, what would Goldfrapp have done without that glitter stomp?. Actually forget that suggestion, but Michael Jackson? I recently DJed at a wedding and Billie Jean still works you know...Thank goodness I only ever post under a stupid name...
Well..
Gary Glitter is uncool for other, non-musical reasons.
Goth, goth and more goth!
Maggieloveshopey hit the nail on the head - when I was young back in the dim and distant 80s, goth was THE genre, with the charts full of the mighty Neph, the Mission, Sisters, cheerful old scamps Bauhaus, etc. Giddy days, indeed.
Since then, every mention of goth in the media (and there's not that many) talks solely about gloomy, lonely youths feeling miserable, or that poor girl being kicked to death, and hardly ever about the music, which was (generally) a thing of majesty and awe. Soak up the atmosphere of the Sisters' Marian, particularly when Eldritch goes all German, or watch the Nephs' concert DVD - great stuff.
Goth is still around, mostly in Europe and the USA - the Cruxshadows recently had a Top 10 US single, for instance, and groups like The House of Usher, Blutengel and more do good business in Germany - but as for Britain, home of the Slimelight and Batcave? Nothing but snide comments.
Goth? More power to its black-clad elbow, I say. Now, back to my coffin...
The most inexplicably uncool rock genre: the first one of all
If prog and fusion are cool again, when is blues rock going to get its turn? Spurning it is a peculiarly British thing, too, because it's never been uncool in America - cf. the whole SRV phenomenon, which largely passed us by, or Back Door Slam's current success in the States compared with the indifference they're met with in the UK.
If you're not convinced it's ever been an uncool genre, just type "Humble Pie" or "Ten Years After" in the Search box up on the right there and see how many hits you get. Now do the same with "Marillion" or "ELP". See my point?
Humble Pie?
I take your point Archie. The Pie are a band probably due for reappraisal, but I've never thought of them as a blues band, certainly not in the way of contemporaries like Savoy Brown or Chicken Shack.