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Posted by Excitable Boy on 4 February 2010 - 5:26pm.
Would appreciate your help as I seek to buy a new coffee machine. Budget is £50-£100. I want a machine that makes "real" coffee ie not one that uses the coffee-bag type things. Main requirements are for a machine that is fairly robust, and not too big. Also want the coffee to be hot - previous machines have made a nice tasting drink, but never hot enough. Any ideas please....?
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Buy one of these grinders...
and one of these...
And some decent beans. Job done.
Agreed with pocket.calcultor
Although, I use a Dualit burr-grinder.
As for beans, I've been buying, online, from these guys for the past 4 years....
http://www.unionroasted.com/
If you're into aesthetics, these are pretty swish...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solo-Café-Coffee-Maker-1-0l/dp/B00009OWEV/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen&qid=1265306072&sr=8-2
That said, I aspire to one of these...
http://www.uk.jura.com/home_uk_x/products_home_use/z_line/impressa_z5_ge...
Mmmmmm........ Swiss
I love Bialetti coffee machines...
Whilst I was living in Florence I came across a Bialetti shop. In the window was a giant espresso maker that was about 1ft tall. I wanted one, and I still do.
Beans
Beans rather than ready ground is definitely the way to go.
unbreakable metal cafetiere
put in coffee, put in boiling water, wait a bit, sorted
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bodum-Columbia-Cofee-Press-stainless/dp/B00005YY...
At the risk of sounding like a coffee snob...
I think you'll find it hard to get decent coffee on your budget, and would look to up your spending if you're really keen to make a quality drink and you can afford it. Points to ponder:
1. To get decent coffee you should be using beans, and they should be freshly ground. Most cheap grinders use blades, which burn the beans, and to avoid this you'll need a burr grinder. This will use up much of your current budget, while a decent burr grinder might exceed it.
2. You mention temperature, and the coffee not being hot enough, but most cheap machines actually run boiling water through the grind, which you don't want: again it burns the granules, giving you a much bitterer drink than is desired. The temperature of the water should be 92-94°, which will release the flavours without burning the granules. Being this precise is difficult at the cheaper end of the market, and isn't easy with many expensive machines.
3. It's all about diminishing returns: you can end up paying lots of money for incremental improvements to your drink that many people may not even appreciate.
4. It's not just the machine: the quality and origin of the beans, the size of your granules, the amount you tamp the puck, and the rate with which water passes through the basket all affect the taste. It's a juggling act even with the very best equipment, and it's why decent barista courses can be a year long.
Having said all that, I'm sure you can get a reasonable all-rounder for the price you mention, but I'm not the man to offer advice on that, apart from to say not to expect miracles.
So…
… if, say, one had a higher budget, what type of machine would you go for? And what's the least you reckon you could get away with paying to get a decent home-brewed cup of coffee?
Well...
I did a fair amount of research - Coffeegeek is a good place to start, but there are loads of places where the serious coffee nerds hang out - then ended up getting a second-hand Rancilio Silvia machine off eBay for about £150. It's hugely robust, and you really have to wrestle with it, but when you get it right the results are amazing. As for the least amount you might spend, I think that's entirely down to your taste buds.
I also...
...have a Silvia (I'm a coffee geek). It's a fine machine but demands a good burr grinder and some patience.
Personally, I would forget making espresso based drinks at home. Get yourself a decent 2nd hand grinder and an Aeropress - makes delicious brewed coffee. You can buy great coffees online from the likes of Hasbean, Square Mile, James Gourmet.
Check toomuchcoffee.com for a UK/European slant on all things coffee.
Aeropress
I've not tried one - do you think it does a better job than the Silvia?
Although..
..the marketing states it makes espresso, it doesn't. But as an alternative to a French Press, it's great. So if you want decent espresso, keep the Silvia.
I rarely use my Silvia now - just boil the kettle, grind the coffee, Aeropress and drink ;-)
tamp the puck...
...mmmmmmmm...
I saw them...
... supporting One The Juggler at the Brixton Academy in 1986.
Shameless plug for my friend's coffee roasting company
I've got a chum who set up a small coffee roasting business when he retired from BA a few years ago. It's just a cottage industry and v small/individual scale. His USP is that he effectively does bespoke roasting when you order, packages the coffee up and pops it in the post to you by return. So you're getting the coffee within only a few days of being roasted (rather than it having sat in a warehouse for however many months). He also sources and imports his beans himself, having made good links with a number of independent coffee growers and collectives.
Best of all, his coffee tastes amazing. ALso, he always has an interesting range of specialist beans in stock (often because his growers keep the interesting stuff for him!!). Anyway, his website is...
http://www.justcoffee.co.uk/
and the online shop is...
http://www.justcoffee.co.uk/shop.htm
For info, he has the following Arabicas: Brazil Bourbon,
Brazil Red Catuai, Brazil Yellow Catuai, Colombian Excelso,
Costa Rica,Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Sumatra Mandheling, Swiss water decaffeinated - all available as green, roasted or ground beans.
And the following blends: Smokey Mountain Blend, Smoked Guatemalan coffee blended with Costa Rica, Low Caffeine blend (Arabica coffee blended with Swiss water decaffeinated beans).
Another good source of beans...
...where they also roast to order is here:
www.coffeebeanshop.co.uk
(I've no connection with them at all but I've bought from them for a while now and have always been happy with their coffee - they usually deliver next day as well)
Burr grinder
Mmm, yes, the Krups GVX2 is about £80; a small Bialetti about £20, so just about within budget.
Then you can go to the Algerian Coffee Shop on Old Compton St and get some decent beans.
http://www.algcoffee.co.uk/scripts/default.asp
Cheaper grinder
I use one of these http://www.alfresia.co.uk/stainlesssteelcoffeegrinder.html
It requires a little more judgement because you just press the button down and stop when you guess the coffee is ready, but it's less than 20 quid and you'll soon learn how long to grind for the coffee you like.
I use the Nespresso system...
....which does away with the blending and grinding as they do it for you and put the grinds into a sealed capsule. The capsule goes into a KRUPPS machine and 30 seconds later I have a perfect double espresso.
My machine was £130 and I got £30 cashback. The downside for you is that it only makes espresso and lungo. I actually don't even know what lungo is as I only ever drink espresso.
I think a double espresso costs me about 60p.
I'm a Decaff man...
...and the Nespresso does the decaff lungo (an expresso with triple the water!) to perfection. For me, anyway!
Call me old fashioned
But I much prefer coffee brewed through a percolator rather than via a cafetiere or one of these fancy machines. A Bialetti is great but I have this one which I've always found to be reliable and produce a very good cup of coffee:
http://www.johnlewis.com/230872022/Product.aspx
Krupps espresso machine (not pods but proper coffee)
Our was got new from an ebay site for about £30, and has beavered away for 5 years. I see a second hand one of ours (sorry no serial no) is on at £10..so with £50 you should be able to land one
Lavazza rosso if you don't want (as we don't) to get involved with beans and grinding. Our taste test versus almost every restaurant we go to leads to the Krupps still coming out on top.
Russell the coffee mechanic
recommended a second hand Baby Gaggia. They cost between £50 and £70.
Coffee makes you thirsty
Coffee makes you thirsty.
Which is a weird thing for a drink to do.
It's cloy.
I like coffee, but always have to have a cup of tea afterwards.
Good thread
I want a percol;ator for an induction hob. Any recommendations.
BTW - I just eBayed an as new Krups coffee maker that did filter, espresso, cappuccino and got 20 quid for it!
This extract from Victoria Moore's book
How To Drink is, I think, fairly sensible on coffee at home. I can't recommend the book enough - its excellent.
'A word on milk'
NO
Alternative view
Cold milk is perfectly acceptable in coffee. Heated milk is for making Ready Brek with.
"I'm finding it harder and harder...
....to find a bad cup of coffee".
Tom Waits
This is what you need
You'll never sleep again.
It's a first!
Coffee Porn from the Word sinners.
Next week:
Readers Wives Teapots.
(.)(.)
Just you wait
It'll be guitar porn next and we'll be here all day and all of the night.
Just you wait
It'll be guitar porn next and we'll be here all day and all of the night.
Edit: oops, 'twin-necked' post which I'm not sure how to delete.
With so much coffee...
...you'll be strung out.
Jura
I use one of these Jura machines (http://www.jura.com/).
It grinds the beans fresh each time, makes coffee and expresso's and has the milk frother. I'm no connoisseur, but it does the job. may be a bit beyond the budget though
Torture
One of the biggest regrets of my life is that I can't stomach coffee - it smells divine but the taste makes me retch. Cheap or expensive, I find it literally undrinkable. So all this coffee porn is driving me crazy - I really, really want to like it, but I just don't.
What have I learnt?
The main things that this thread has highlighted are:
a. different people prefer their coffee prepared in different ways
b. Don't get a multipurpose device.
c. Only use fresh ground coffee.
I always get compliments about my coffee when I make it for people and it's just simple filter coffee with no machine. If your preference is for espresso then my method is useless. I don't do frothed milk either!
My tip
Gold blend is just fancy packaging - it is not worth the extra dosh. Sainsburys' own brand granules are just as good - at a push Aldi does an acceptable product