Classical music

As I get older, I find myself more than partial to listening to classical music. The trouble is, I know very little about it.

Some of the recordings I own and play regularly are:

Arvo Pärt - Alina

Arvo Pärt - Tabula Rasa

Henryk Górecki - Symphony No.3

Samuel Barber - Violin Concerto

Shostakovich - Symphony No.5

Mahler - Symphony No.5

I'm trying to discover beautiful, ethereal, atmospheric pieces of music that aren't particularly 'jolly' and don't have instantly memorable melodies that are suitable for Classic FM.

Any suggestions?

Try some Wagner

The 'Tannhauser' overture is a good beginner's point.
The overture to 'Tristan und Isolde' is slightly more challenging as is the beautiful 'immolation' sequence which forms the final 25 minutes or so of the Ring Cycle ( this is available on a great 'highlights' CD conducted by James Levine ). Whatever one thinks of Wagner's rather strange world views his music was, at times, sublime. Hell, it's almost as good as the Beatles.

eddie g | 6 April 2008 - 10:09am

Phew!

Good on ya, Eddie. After a couple of recent snipes, I thought Wagner was a no-no around these parts. So what if the man was a barking loon? The best music doesn't care who wrote it.

I agree with you about the Tannhäuser Overture too. I wouldn't recommend the Karajan version on YouTube, though. As usual, he belts through it as if he had a train to catch. Try Barenboim's version on Wagner: Overtures & Preludes with the Chicago Symphony instead - a wonderful compilation and an ideal entry point (it's what got me in smoothly).
http://www.amazon.com/Richard-Wagner-Overtures-Preludes/dp/B000000SS2

Archie Valparaiso | 6 April 2008 - 6:46pm

Off The Top of My Head

quite a wide field to chose from mate, from my shelves here's some stuff I think that fits the bill;

Mahler - Symphony No 2
Wagner - Overtures - especially Parsifal
Elgar - String Quartet and Piano Quintet (the Cello Concerto veers a bit into Classic FM territory perhaps but is great too)

Steve Reich - Desert Music, Different Trains
Philip Glass - huge catalogue, but I'd start with Glassworks as a good selection of short, stand-alone pieces
Copland - Appalachian Spring (try and get it on a CD with Billy The Kid and Rodeo)
John Taverner - The Protecting Veil

None of these I think could be described as that 'jolly' or 'Hovis ad'

trevelyan wright | 6 April 2008 - 10:11am

Check out

Saint Saens, Debussy, Sibelius, Grieg, Respighi, Delius and Liszt.

What have you got against good, memorable, melodies?

Vulpes Vulpes | 6 April 2008 - 10:29am

OK...

nothing in particular... it's just I'm after mood rather than tunes, if that makes sense. A lot of classical music that has too strong a 'hook' leaves me cold.

Patrick Crowther | 6 April 2008 - 4:52pm

Hooked On Classics

Was thinking about this just this morning as I was listening to Richard Addinsel's Warsaw Concerto. I usually listen to classical music at weekends or sometimes late at night. I too have a small classical collection (compared to the rest) but would recommend for starters

Copland's "Appalachian Spring"-uplifing stuff
Brahms' Symphony Number Four
Mendelssohn's (Songs Withou Words)-piano pieces

Happy listening, I realy should listen to more classical music.

David Wright | 6 April 2008 - 10:32am

C'mon Patrick

Re Hovis ad ; New World Symphony by Antonin Dvorak is a fabulous piece of music. Maybe you just know the Brass Band version and that's only the 2nd movement.Check out a full orchestra doing the whole thing.

paul beard | 6 April 2008 - 11:20am

OK...

I didn't mean specifically the music in the Hovis ad... I didn't even know what it was. I just mean I don't like listening to classical music that has associations for me with adverts or films. I want to discover music that has no prior associations.

Patrick Crowther | 6 April 2008 - 4:48pm

Choral treatment

Why not check out any version of Thomas Tallis' Spem in alium.

It's a choral piece for, wait for it, 40 voices and is quite remarkable to listen to.

It is quite ethereal and, even though it was written in the 16th century, nothing has ever come close to it ever since.

robram | 6 April 2008 - 11:51am

A Tallis intro

For an intro to Tallis and Tudor early music, there is the 3rd part of Early Music on BBC4 at 7pm this evening which focuses on Tallis and William Byrd (my favourite).

If you like part harmony then early music really fits the bill...

Em | 6 April 2008 - 2:59pm

Monteverdi

Vespers of 1610 also called Vespro Della Beata Vergine is quite ethereal in places and rather beautiful.

Carl Parker | 6 April 2008 - 2:59pm

Venetian Vespers

I'd go along with that - this recording is stunning...

Paul Thompson | 6 April 2008 - 6:49pm

This

Bach - Nulla in mundo pax sincera - one of the most beautify classical vocal/strings pieces.

I have two versions, neither of which is the best I've heard of it - can anyone recommend a definitive version? I have the version off the "Shine" soundtrack and Emma Kirby with the Academy of Ancient Music. Both lovely but I am sure I've heard a better version.

Twangothan | 6 April 2008 - 4:06pm

Copland and Nielsen Clarinet Concertos

I've got a soft spot for the clarinet concerti by Aaron Copland and Carl Nielsen. The Copeland has a load of wonderfully expansive american countryside evoking sound but it was written for jazz clarinetist Benny Goodman and contains some great jazzy elements. The Nielsen is interesting with a solo snare drum adding a counterpoint to the clarinet.

The two are available togther on a rather good CD...

Copland / Nielsen Clarinet Concertos
Label: Chandos CH8618
Composer: Aaron Copland / Carl Nielsen
Janet Hilton / Scottish National Orchestra

COPLAND - Concerto for Clarinet and String Orchestra with Harp and Piano; LUTOSLAWSKI - Dance Preludes;
NIELSEN - Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra, Op.57

Janet Hilton (clarinet), Scottish National Orchestra conductor Matthias Bammert.

Trevor_Raggatt | 6 April 2008 - 4:41pm

Oh yes and...

Elgar's cello concerto. Simply sublime and guaranteed to bring a tear to your eye (unless you've got no soul).

Trevor_Raggatt | 6 April 2008 - 4:43pm

Elgar's Cello Concerto...

is one of my Desert Island Discs. The Du Pré version...

Patrick Crowther | 6 April 2008 - 4:49pm

Bach

Bach's "Valet Will Ich Dir Geben" may be the greatest piece of music ever written.

Pete | 6 April 2008 - 6:43pm

Ethereal or Earthy

If you want ethereal then the recommendations of Tallis and Monteverdi definitely fit the bill. Following the Sacred Music series on BBC4 you might also want to check out Palestrina, and look out for Bach next week.

But your current list with Shostakovich, Mahler and Gorecki seems to hint at more modern and more earthly fare, with links to death and dying. I would add:

Mahler 9th Symphony elegaic and his last completed symphony
Mahler Das Lied Von Der Erde No matter what happens to us, the world keeps on turning for ever, ever, ever ...
Sibelius 7th Symphony, one movement, no tunes, just an empty Scandanavian landscape as far as you can see.
Shostakovich Cello Concerto No 1 is great, but I love
Prokofiev Violin Concerto No 2 especially the slow movement
Berg Violin Concerto if you want to check out the atonal.

Following on from the Pärt and your wish for atmospheric music, chamber music might have something:

Messian Quartet for the End of Time, more modern and very moving
Beethoven Late Quartets, the slow movements in particular are reflections on life and death
Bach Solo Cello Suites are masterpieces
Ravel Introduction & Allegro for Flute harp and Strings and the Flute Viola and Harp Sonatas are lovely and his String Quartet is great but a little 'happy' compared to your current list.

But if you want sheer beauty then it has to be Mozart, try some of the later Piano Concertos, I love no. 20 in D minor.

That seems enough for now and I haven't even got started on Choral, Piano music or most of the Romantic stuff (the ones with big tunes!).

DavidG | 6 April 2008 - 8:50pm

Bach

I'm currently absorbing Bach's "St Matthews Passion" has passages of real beauty

Bang Em In Bingham | 6 April 2008 - 11:41pm

The Sea! The Sea!

My tuppence worth.

If you're after both drama and atmosphere then these contrasting modern masterpieces should fit the bill. I'm incapable of describing them but they all contain passages of quiet drama and brain-rearranging thrills.

- Debussy's 'La Mer'
- Stravinsky's 'The Rite of Spring'
- Faure's 'Requiem'
- Britten's 'Four Sea Interludes'

And thanks to everyone else who has posted on this thread - classical recommendations from thoughtful types such as yourselves are always a brilliant thing.

Con Coleman | 7 April 2008 - 11:21am

My twopennorth

Terje Rypdal: Lux Aeterna

Norwegian Jazz Guitarist shrugs off typecasting with an ethereal spacerock take on an Organ concerto

Jan Gorecki and the Hilliard Ensemble: Officium

Jazz saxophone and polyphony-and blow me it works

Delius: In A Summer Garden

What could be more English?

Vaughan Williams: The Lark Ascending

This could...

Giovanni Gabrieli: Symphoniae Sacrae II

Not as prodigious as Monteverdi and Venetian rather than Roman but his take on "Quem pastores vidistis " (Ahem, "while shepherds watched") is a subtly arranged blend of polyphony, brass, strings and organ

I second comments re Fauré Requiem and Tallis's Spem in Alium having sung em both

Richie B | 8 April 2008 - 9:54am

Radio 3...

....is always a good place to start as any fule kno

I forgot to mention Rachmaninov's Vespers...

Richie B | 7 April 2008 - 12:50pm

Don't think anyone's mentioned...

Richard Strauss's Four Last Songs. Music of utter autumnal beauty. Some swear by Elisabeth Schwarzkopf's recording, but I can't get beyond Jessye Norman's magisterial version.

Personally I'm a sucker for solo piano music, and you can't go wrong with Chopin's Nocturnes. There are umpteen recordings and I'm not enough of an expert to proclaim any one to be better than any others. A great place to start, however, would be on Emusic, where you have the whole Naxos catalogue to sample, including Idil Biret's complete Chopin recordings, which sound pretty good to me.

One other modern favourite is Richard Harvey's Concerto Antico, which is a guitar concerto. I have the premiere recording featuring the wonderful John Williams. My nearest and dearest and I love it enough to have had it played when we got spliced...

Azeem | 7 April 2008 - 7:56pm

No one has mentioned

Stravinsky.

I think you might enjoy The Rite Of Spring, Patrick; it isn't melodic Classic FM territory, and it isn't anaemic wittering, IT ROCKS.

Vulpes Vulpes | 8 April 2008 - 2:59pm

Thirded

Was mentioned on 7 April above. I agree with your choice though. Also for ambient style listening, a few years before Eno, Erik Satie and his Gymnopedies - short, atmospheric pieces.

Sven | 8 April 2008 - 8:39pm