Can we live without Carol Vorderman?

ImageThis morning the radio is full of the fact that Carol Vorderman is leaving Countdown because she refuses to take a 90% cut in her current million pound a year salary.

You might want to read that sentence again because none of it was made up.

OK? Amazing, isn't it?

Anyhow, there's clearly a lot of people who get indignant about "Countdown". I can honestly say I've never seen it and I'm not just saying that for effect. This morning they're all piling on to the phones saying variations on "If Channel 4 think they can get somebody else to roll over some letters on a TV quiz programme, well, they're in for a *rude awakening*. You can't replace TV magic like that!"

They're saying this in the face of all sorts of evidence that people are quite happy seeing TV personalities put out to grass, particularly the ones that they perceive as overpaid and a bit past their sell-by date. Which is most of them, really.

Is there anybody in TV that we couldn't quite happily do without?

Blog favourite

George Lamb has made the jump to telly on Big Brother's Little Brother, and it's not too late for the sake of all humanity to nip that in the bud before it gets too late.

Jason Carter | 28 July 2008 - 9:52am

Hey

As long as he's not bothering me during the workday any more, I'm more than happy to avoid whatever's on TV that he's on.

itf | 28 July 2008 - 12:29pm

Proverbial can of worms here...

I'd happily listen to Toploader* if it meant I'd never have to see the smug gurning face of Jonathan Ross on my TV screen ever again.

*well....if under duress....

Oh - and that hideous media luvvie Tim Lovejoy.

Undroppable? - possibly the great Terry Wogan...always good value both on radio and TV

John Waite | 28 July 2008 - 10:44am

I'm no Vorderman fan...

and indeed find her quite irritating, particularly on those financial adverts. However, the issue as I understand it was that the show's budget had been cut by a third. Vorderman offered to take a pay cut in line with that but was asked to accept 10%.

While I don't think anyone is worth a million (or £900K, the figure the BBC news website is reporting), having previously been told you're worth that and then to be asked to take a 90% reduction in pay is pretty damn insulting, particularly when there's no suggestion your star is fading or you're getting worse at your job and you're the face of said show. I wouldn't do it (mind you, I couldn't afford to cover my mortgage, bills and food if I did, which I doubt is a pressing problem for CV) and I doubt many others would either.

I don't watch Countdown and don't give two hoots who presents it, but I can totally understand why CV has gone and updated her, er... CV.

With regard to the actual question, everyone has their day in the sun and no one should think themselves beyond the chop, but I sincerely hope Stephen Fry continues to illuminate our screens for many years to come.

Fraser M | 28 July 2008 - 10:12am

What's the budget?

Agree with what you've said Fraser, but surely it depends on what their budget for the show was? Say general running costs are £6m and they have had their budget cut by third from £9m to £6m and previously they had used the other £3m for "star salaries" then there is nothing left to dip into. It may be insulting for her, but they may have little choice other than to lose money.

I can honestly say there is nobody I would miss on tv, apart from maybe Jeff Stelling.

Simon Ford | 28 July 2008 - 10:37am

Stelling

Agreed. The man is unbelievably good. I watch Soccer Saturday most weekends, and I still find the manner in which he juggles the panel, the live reports, the results and the endless statistical updates to be genuinely jaw-dropping.

Further down this thread Leedsboy makes the point that Stelling makes 'watching a bunch of ex pro footballers for 2 hours' entertaining. It's even more remarkable than that: the show is generally five hours long, sometimes six, and Stelling never allows it to flag.

Fraser Lewry | 28 July 2008 - 10:51am

I'm not

allowed to watch it for 5 hours.

Lee Rimmer | 28 July 2008 - 11:06am

Stelling is up there with Ghandi, MLK and Ma Theresa...

in my book. An icon...

Patrick Crowther | 28 July 2008 - 12:01pm

Stelling knows the secret of broadcasting

It's all about energy.

David Hepworth | 28 July 2008 - 9:19pm

Why are you watching tv?

...instead of being out supporting your team on a Saturday afternoon?

MrPuss | 31 July 2008 - 6:52pm

Probably no-one

When I think back to Des Lynam in his pomp, he was as close as you can get to "undroppable". But... when he went to ITV he became ordinary, even poor, for some reason. And now he's kind of back at the BBC, he has somehow lost it.

But if push cane to shove.... I am fond of University Challenge and that programme would lose a lot if Paxman didn't do it. Likewise Top Gear relies on the leadership of Clarkson, love him or hate him. The other two would not be strong enough without him.

kb | 28 July 2008 - 10:14am

Snigger, fnarr fnarr


Niks | 28 July 2008 - 10:25am

No one really.

I do enjoy Stephen Fry and I would suggest QI, which is always excellent, rather depends on him. He's probably not paid £1m pa for it either.

Agree about Jeff Stelling - he has somehow made watching a bunch of ex pro footballers for 2 hours entertaining. No mean feat.

But other than that, I really can't think of anyone else. On radio I would add Simon Mayo and Danny Baker - both on when I'm working so I rarely get to listen - as being supremely good at what they do.

Channel 4 got themselves in a hole by overpaying in the first place. That is always a difficult one to fix - and it can really only be done gradually and over a long term. The story seems to suggest to me that CV approached the problem with far more desire to make it work than Channel 4. You wait, Countdown will be off the air within 2 series (or CV will return).

Lee Rimmer | 28 July 2008 - 10:45am

Everyone is dispensible

But some are so close to the product/programme its likely the format could go with them or be far less popular with another presenter. Suggestions?
Jeremy Clarkson - Top Gear..have you seen 5th gear?
David Attenboroug - Life on.....Humble? Never Never
John Peel - Home Truths albeit radio....didnt work after did it
Johnny Vaughan & Denise van Outen Big Breakfast...survived Chris & Gabby but not after that
Melvyn Bragg: South Bank Show....who else?
Richard & Judy....obviously
Patrick Moore....sky at night....not Brian May surely
Denis Norden....It'll be Alright on the Night...hated it with him
Michael Parkinson....obviously
Anne Robinson....Weakest Link...
Chris Tarrant...Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?.

Commoner | 28 July 2008 - 10:45am

The Sky KERRRANG!

At Night WIDDLE DIDDLE DIDDLE DEEEEEEEEEEE

with Doctor Brian KERRRRANNGGGGG! May WIDDLE DIDDLE DIDDLE DEEEEEEEEEEE

Yesssssss! Commission ten series now!

Vulpes Vulpes | 28 July 2008 - 11:42am

No

Brian May and Anita Dobson. New hosts of Countdown.

Beany | 28 July 2008 - 11:45am

They can't appear at the same time...

...there's only the one wig between 'em.

Countdown can't afford a second either.

Fraser M | 28 July 2008 - 11:58am

Galileo, galileo...

he will, he will ROCK YOU.

Patrick Crowther | 28 July 2008 - 12:04pm

Whistle test?

Yes of course I mean Richard Williams. Who else would I?
(What do you mean, it's not on telly anymore.....

Retropath2 | 28 July 2008 - 10:53am

"We're proposing a 90% cut in your salary, Mr Attenborough..."

Talking of irreplaceable TV stalwarts (and their battle with budget-rationalising paper-pushers), did anyone else see the Charles Wheeler tribute?
It included this wonderful clip showing a 1987 meeting involving Wheeler (calm verbal assassin, off-camera) vs John Birt (BBC Director General at his snootiest):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/7499768.stm

In the documentary someone commented that Birt hadn't reckoned with anyone possessing, as Wheeler did, the old-fashioned skill of shorthand.

Nick White | 28 July 2008 - 11:22am

Want more!

Is there a longer clip of this evisceration of the robot Birt?

Azeem | 31 July 2008 - 4:27pm

There will be blood

As far as I know this is all there is I'm afraid.
Kill, Charles, kill!

Nick White | 31 July 2008 - 6:04pm

Danny Baker

He should be available on the National Health as a tonic to the troops who have to put up with the likes of Chris Moyles, Chris Evans and, er, Mark, erm, Radcliffe, er. Also has the perfect face for radio.

Alan Titchmarsh. A national treasure on TV and radio. There, I've said it.

Jimmy Carr. Surprisingly good on the TV adverts show.

Harry Hill. Best presenter of You've Been Framed.

Bruce Forsyth. Let it go Bruce. Retire gracefully. Please.

Beany | 28 July 2008 - 11:00am

How faint is this praise....

"Harry Hill. Best presenter of You've Been Framed."

Lee Rimmer | 28 July 2008 - 11:07am

Nearly added

...since Lisa Riley. But then I thought that's just so not true.

Beany | 28 July 2008 - 11:11am

I think the clue here is "Is there anybody in TV"?

Something I rarely do these days when I have the options of my choicest celebs on DVD and Internet etc

Commoner | 28 July 2008 - 11:10am

AARRGGGHHHHHH!

The guy in the middle actually wanted to be photographed with these two from The One Show. WHY? Christine maybe but Adrian...?

Beany | 28 July 2008 - 11:18am

I imagined

you'd look less, well... less than that.

Fraser M | 28 July 2008 - 11:21am

less Saturday Night Fever?

Is that what you mean?

Lee Rimmer | 28 July 2008 - 11:23am

Cheeky

That's Shmelvis. I think he is a professional stalker.

http://www.lazydayzmusic.co.uk/picsx.html

Beany | 28 July 2008 - 11:27am

Adrian Chiles...

...is too old to wear that retro rock t-shirt.

And if I am totally brutal he is probably too f-f-fa 'cuddly' to wear a t-shirt full stop....

kb | 28 July 2008 - 11:38am

Fattist!

You just don't get Mu-Mu's with Hendrix/Skynyrd or AC/DC on the front!

John Waite | 28 July 2008 - 12:48pm

Adrian Chiles

I love him, I think he's wonderful and I'll watch anything he does. Same applies to Clare Balding.

But Stelling. There really is only one Jeff Stelling. He's the only unique talent on TV. Here he is, on fire.

David Hepworth | 28 July 2008 - 1:31pm

Sheer genius from Mr Stelling

and he is well up to speed on the world of Greyhound Racing, which is a sure sign of being a good egg.

As for Carol's demise, it's hardly that she has a skill that can't be replaced. She ain't too bad with the old numbers, but turning the cards over shouldn't really command much more than the basic wage really.
Countdown managed to survive the loss of Richard but hasn't been the same since they made it longer and moved it to an earlier time.
Good call on Mr Chiles. As a lifetime Wolves fan it grieves me to say it but for a Baggie he is pretty good at the old presenting lark.

Salty | 28 July 2008 - 2:39pm

He is...

the best.

Patrick Crowther | 28 July 2008 - 2:39pm

Dancing in the streets of Total Network Solutions

Some good Stelling one-liners here (some awful ones too):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Stelling#One-liners_used_on_Soccer_Sat...

This may well put you in the mood to read some one-liners from another irreplaceable sports presenter, Sid Waddell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Waddell#Quotes

Note to BBC: Ditch Lineker, Hansen, Shearer and Lawrenson and fill their chairs with Jeff Stelling, Sid Waddell, Stuart Hall and John McEnroe. They may not all be football people, but they'll still be more enlightening. Sport is supposed to be entertainment.

Nick White | 28 July 2008 - 3:17pm

That

Is why everyone loves Stelling. There's fierce intelligence behind the enthusiasm. The same goes for Attenborough, Wogan & Fry, the same went for Peel and, if I stretch things a little, Richard Whiteley : he made Countdown because, despite being a highly educated man who knew it was a bit rubbish & so was he, he took it immensely seriously. In its pomp about five years ago, with Carol Vorderman playing the sexy niece to Whiteley's old duffer, it worked; when he died it stopped working. I suspect the producers of Countdown know this & used an inelegant ploy to get rid of her.

Graham Johns | 28 July 2008 - 3:34pm

Ummm. A lite news weekend or the biggest story since..........?

MOST POPULAR STORIES
From BBC Entertainment in the past week
SUNDAY : Vorderman 'forced' to quit quiz
SATURDAY : Vorderman 'forced' to quit quiz
FRIDAY : Carol Vorderman quits Countdown

Commoner | 28 July 2008 - 1:48pm

Good job

the MPs are on their jollies. Otherwise there would be questions in the house.

Beany | 28 July 2008 - 1:52pm

That's Entertainment

Whereas on the news page it looks more like this today

1. Huge fire destroys historic pier
2. Doctor dies in honeymoon shooting
3. Search site aims to rival Google
4. Blood pressure drug dementia hope
5. Dog in court for breaching peace

Kind of tails off but it does also suggest more people are worried about a dog breaching the peace than Carol Voderman no longer breaching ours.

Lee Rimmer | 28 July 2008 - 1:52pm

Umm again. News about music? Really?

Headlines show quality music journalism. Two pieces of idle gossip, Two music stories, fair enough, and One lazy Womad story. Why lazy? Well apparently there are no music journalists because the Womad spokesman talked to the "BBC News website. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7525203.stm

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Spears child custody deal agreed
'Fastest sax player' Griffin dies
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Commoner | 28 July 2008 - 2:22pm

C'Mon

You missed the really important news

A snippet of the Sex Pistols swearing during a live broadcast in 1976 has become a television archive's most requested clip.

The incident, which happened during an interview with Bill Grundy, topped requests received by FremantleMedia, which owns the Thames TV catalogue.

Clips of former Baywatch star Pamela Anderson running along the beach came second in the list.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7528234.stm

Beany | 28 July 2008 - 2:25pm

Up to the minute then?

Up to the minute then? I assume the webteam report whats thrown at them

Commoner | 28 July 2008 - 2:31pm

Fish in barrels

Fearne Cotton and Edith Bowman.

Two glottal-stopping young ladies with appalling diction and strikingly limited vocabularies. And yet the finest public service broadcaster in the world regularly has them front and centre.

I don't know what to say really. Just like those two...

Andy Barrons | 28 July 2008 - 2:29pm

Jon Marsh

from 90s indie/dance crossover band The Beloved, was once a Countdown champion.

Just thought I'd put that out there

Futurenoir | 28 July 2008 - 5:36pm

Isn't it time someone told who played sax....

.....on Baker Street?
Countdown, Blockbusters, it's all the same to me.

Retropath2 | 29 July 2008 - 7:01am

Celebs on TV

Overpaid & unappealing. TV can reduce even people you should like to irritants.

However, Mr. Hepworth & Mr. Ellen were consistently fabulous back in the day on The Old Grey Whistle Test.

ginma | 29 July 2008 - 7:03am

I agree

They could take over on Countdown as they have experienced the task of taking over an established show from a boring old fart.

Which one will be Carol though?

Beany | 29 July 2008 - 8:03am

That's very kind

But we weren't. The best we could have been was *quite good* given the very inhibiting nature of TV back then.

David Hepworth | 29 July 2008 - 8:16am

It's radio rather than TV

but Humphrey Littleton is utterly without peer. Is, not was. ISIHAC just wouldn't be right; as much as I want to hear more of the show, I couldn't imagine it without the chairman.

Sam Fiddian | 29 July 2008 - 7:49am

Similar to my mention

Of Peel and Home Truths...bless them for trying but no-one else could carry it

Commoner | 29 July 2008 - 7:51am

I disagree

I think David Stafford, who did it occasionally, is brilliant.

David Hepworth | 29 July 2008 - 8:17am

In hindwrite

I should have wrote I found I could not listen to Home Truths again because I simply missed Peels voice and style of interviewing (this from someone that never followed his music show). Not saying Stafford and other guest presenters were not talented enough to carry the same format but for me it was no longer the same...

Commoner | 29 July 2008 - 8:39am

I can live without Jonathan Ross

quite happily. I used to like him but his recent chat shows are more about himself and his extremely worrying sex obsession than any guest that appears.

Talk about watching a mid-life crisis unfold in front of your very eyes...

You can sense his disappointment when a male guest comes on and he can't flirt pathetically, almost pummelling them into submission to get a resigned, "Yes, Jonathan, if I was not a world famous, beautiful, oscar winning multi-millionaire star then I would sleep with you..."

I do turn into my dad, rolling eys, tutting, whistling during the cringeworthy attempts at smut and bad language, channel hopping until the band come on...

How he and Carol Vorderman could be earning anywhere close to a million a a year is beyond me!

Retro Man | 31 July 2008 - 11:28am

Countdown conundrum

Richard Whiteley's irresponsible death from pneumonia (nine letters!) left a gaping hole in Countdown's charm - but the loss of Carol makes it a different programme entirely.

So Countdown is over. It's been a great 26 years.
Rebrand it - call it something else - and get Tarby out of retirement with a wholesome young chick from Oxford University Hard Sums Department and do it all again from scratch.

The core audience (pensioners, unemployed, sickies) have no loyalty. Look how quickly they adapt to Rob Curling's "Turnabout", Henry Kelly's "what am oi?" quiz, Fifteen to One and now Deal or No Deal. Similarly, the gentle celebrities that are the necessary Toksvig, Fry, Brandreth, Hardy) won't mind what the studio looks like as long as they can they can have a platform to share with us their wry, sideways-glance musings on life.

I don't live in the UK any more. But these gentle word-gamey TV shows are what I miss most. That and the pubs.

Austin | 1 August 2008 - 10:36pm