Calling for *more* examples of the dumbest things in entertainment

I know we did this last week but it's a difficult topic to exhaust. Plus plenty of your nominations triggered off thoughts that hadn't occured to me before. So here goes:
* All TV travel programmes being fronted by middle-aged comedians
* Indie girls singing in that irritating little girl voice
* Members of bands sniggering at their own private jokes while being interviewed by Edith Bowman
* Grown-ups reading kids' books on the tube
* Bands whose MySpace pages list Ennio Morricone and Joe Meek among their influences
* Although it only takes one actor to accept an award it seems to take two to hand it out
* Musicians who accept an award with a drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other
* Boy bands singing a capella without being asked
* Actresses saying "there are so few strong women's roles"
* That shouty woman who advertises dance compilations on Friday nights
* Newsnight's attempts to explain dry subjects via "amusing" presentations
* "Who Do You Think You Are?" subjects being contractually obliged to weep
* Radio and TV presenters waxing indignant about "fat cat" salaries while hoping we never find out how much they make
* Interviews with movie actors sitting in front of a poster advertising their film
* Any TV or radio programme that promises "all the gossip"
* "Text us with your thoughts on that..."
* Bands who come on stage without being introduced
* People talking about how fed up they are with celebrities

Adverts for rubbish compilations

It must be nearly Valentine's Day or Mother's Day. You're being told to buy some saccharine rubbish that anyone who loves you will of course really appreciate: "the perfect gift for" (insert occasion here that really only means anything to retailers). When of course you know that really, it's the shittiest present possible. You know, this sort of thing:

http://www.tellyads.com/show_movie.php?filename=TA2507

I have to warn my children when Father's Day is approaching not to buy me that new CD of drivetime rock, or something.

Lucas Hare | 10 October 2008 - 6:19am

Oh yes...

'Top Gear's Greatest 1980s Power Ballad Album In The World Ever Vol. 8'...

Patrick Crowther | 10 October 2008 - 7:29am

forget valentines day

how about a "grandparent's day" saw this in ad for 1950's music cd comp.
2 things isn't this covered by the "parents days"
secondly aren't most grannies young enough to prefer ABBA and in some case Take That! to Connie Francis

Chris G | 10 October 2008 - 8:50am

Advertising a concert as "For One Night Only!"....

....then two days later after it has sold out:
"Extra show added due to popular demand!"

I would not have bought the last remaining crappy seats to your "one and only show" if I'd known that you bastards.

Scott Wilkinson | 10 October 2008 - 6:35am

Except...

Tonight, live at The Palace Hotel Ballroom, for one night only, the fabulous Blues Brothers Rhythm and Blues revue.

Free Parking.

John Waite | 10 October 2008 - 8:19am

one night only

often pays to check the bands website

a. often has the extra demand gigs already listed
b. schedule has some days following suspiciously unbooked awaiting the unprecedented demand extra shows

often the case with overseas bands touring australia

probably figure we haven't got the internet

given performance most times ,may as well not have but that's another story

tonyhunter | 6 November 2008 - 4:51am

Must watch less TV

Comedians (like Lenny Henry) and other non-music celebrities in the 'exclusive seating area' being 'interviewed' on 'Later...' ('who are you looking forward to seeing then' - who cares?) by Jools or being waved gaily at by him, and other general celebrity mateyness as if they all hang out together and we're privileged to watch.

Those T4 type waste of space presenters doing pointless bits between programmes that we'd be better off without - like interviewing a movie star in front of a film poster and making a supposedly irreverent, jokey and hilarious game out of the process, among other things.

Every single music radio DJ now has to have a mate or two to banter with and help present the show.

Endless trailers on BBC that make you think they might as well have ads, since that's what it feels like. Trailers for TV shows on BBC radio are pretty annoying too.

Sven | 10 October 2008 - 6:41am

Song lyrics

that say 'When I called you on the phone' or similar.

What else were you going to call them on?

Jason Carter | 10 October 2008 - 7:20am

items on NEWS programmes

about tv programmes from the same channel. That ain't news, it's advertising.

badartdog | 10 October 2008 - 9:21am

R&B playing in every bloody shop on the high street

Listen, all I want to do is buy some underpants. This is not a joyous, celebratory experience for me, there are other things I would rather be doing. I will not buy more underpants because I have just heard Justin Timberlake playing over the tannoy. Visiting M&S is not 'party time' for me, nor shall it ever be...

Patrick Crowther | 10 October 2008 - 7:36am

R&B?

In Spanish clothes shops it's invariably eight-year old Ministry of Sound handbag-house compilations.

Archie Valparaiso | 10 October 2008 - 7:45am

Yeah...

that's the other type.

Patrick Crowther | 10 October 2008 - 7:48am

House ?

A lot of the Teenage girl demographic shops go for Green Day, Blink 182. A mate of mine makes the CDs.

paul beard | 10 October 2008 - 4:19pm

A word to the wise re: pants

Online.

David Hepworth | 10 October 2008 - 7:50am

having to buy you clothes online

becuse the shops are so horrible they make you lie on floor to find some socks.....

Chris G | 10 October 2008 - 8:52am

Good call, Patrick!

I tried to buy some stout walking shoes in the usual shops (Millets, Blacks, etc) & had to admit defeat as each formerly staid outfit loudly streamed skittering synthetic nonsense featuring Americans desperate to assure me how much money they have. Hopefully the credit crunch will put paid to both the artists' material & the shops.

Graham Johns | 12 October 2008 - 11:42pm

Adults reading kids' books on the tube doesn't bother me

But what DOES is kids' books with 'adult' covers, i.e. the new covers for the Harry Potter books. Who do these people think they're fooling? Are we supposed to think, "Oh, look, that adult is reading a book intended for children. No, wait, they clearly CAN'T be, a book for children would not have such a mature and intelligent cover illustration!"

Joe R | 10 October 2008 - 7:59am

Famous people being criticized for not being 'role models'...

for the kiddies.

Sorry, I was under the mistaken impression that parents are supposed to be good role models for children. But no, it seems instead that we must look to the world of entertainment for such saintly guiding lights.

But where are these paragons of virtue? That footballer just broke an opponent's cheekbone... that pop star just woke up from an all night coke orgy with 10 hookers... it's outrageous! Don't they know that children might copy their depraved behaviour?!

Patrick Crowther | 10 October 2008 - 7:59am

But can you do ugly and fat?

Actors and actresses who are deemed beautiful doing a serious part under tons of make-up so that they can show they're more than a pretty face - 'Look!' they cry, 'I can do ugly!'

Same goes for skinny actors putting on fat suits for comic effect. 'Look!' they honk, 'I'm actually horribly skinny underneath this but I'm pretending to be obese! Isn't it hilarious, 'cos, y'know, I'm actually really thin!'

Con Coleman | 10 October 2008 - 8:10am

I've often wondered about that one

It's not as if there's a shortage of actors of all shapes and sizes looking for work. It's a particularly lame subterfuge when it's not even an A-list actor wearing the padding. What were the producers of The Wire thinking when they cast the bloke who played Frank Sobotka and then got him to wear a quilted hunting vest under his shirt to pudge him up? The actor was okay,* but couldn't they have found a naturally portly one who was just as good?

[* Actually I thought the Sobotka brothers were the weakest links in the acting in the whole show - Frank for trying too hard when it came to the hand-wringing emoting and his brother for the opposite: he seemed to be having some trouble trying to read his lines off cue cards. He also looked very uncomfortable in that lumberjack shirt, as if it made his armpits itch and he didn't dare to scratch.]

Archie Valparaiso | 10 October 2008 - 8:30am

Dominic Littlewood.

Looks like DungeonMaster from the cartoon series Dungeons and Dragons and seems to be BBC TV's daytime "expert" on everything from home buying, antiques, travel and consumer ishooes....

DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

(well, not really....just some mild pain)

John Waite | 10 October 2008 - 8:21am

A minor one but always annoys me

Support bands who don't tell you who they are. I know this band is your whole life but I have never seen nor heard of you and if you want me to go out and buy your album after this gig you are going to have to tell me your name.

On a similar tip, DJs who don't tell you the name of the song and the artist they have just played. There are tonnes of great songs I have heard on the radio which I will never heard again because the DJ didn't tell me what they were.

Niks | 10 October 2008 - 8:24am

Get a life!

* That shouty woman who advertises dance compilations on Friday nights

Since when has advertising been deemed to be "entertainment" - you need to get out more.

However...while we ARE on the subject. Lenny Henry doing his ad for Cheapo Lodge, or whoever, really gets on my tits. Especially as Dawn French insists he travels home after every gig because his previous misdemeanors hit the redtops.

Beany | 10 October 2008 - 8:29am

Accusations of TV dumbing down

The only truly dumb programme is GMTV. Everything else is as it is because TV is run by people whose average age is 12.

TV stars only granting interviews to broadsheets, and their publicists not daring to tell them that while they may feel validated by appearing in the Daily Telegraph it does not put bums on seats.

Young actresses, more often than not the offspring of someone famous, flicking the Vs at the paprazzi. Or sticking their tongue out. They'd die without the oxygen of publicity, etc.

The media wank about Heat magazine. It's not what it was.

Pop stars with beards. All pop stars except Oasis now have beards. Canned Heat live!

Pop stars/young actors in T-shirt/woolly hat combo. If you're that cold, put a jumper on.

Actors talking about their stagecraft.

Actors from The Bill shoehorning their theatre credentials into every conversation. Yes, yes, you're a proper actor, you're only doing this to pay the bills. We get it.

Fake celebrity pairings organised by agents and PRs: Ashley and Cheryl - we all know they signed an 18-month contract. Kelly and whoever. Do they really think we're that stupid?

People from long-forgetten bands in Where Are They Now? features still plugging away at music even though their last minor hit was at least 18 years ago. Give it up now, go into teaching.

Five-Centres | 10 October 2008 - 8:30am

Why?

"People from long-forgetten bands in Where Are They Now? features still plugging away at music even though their last minor hit was at least 18 years ago. Give it up now, go into teaching."

Why the hell should they? If a musician gives up music just because people stop paying attention then that means they were only it for the fame. The people who carry on doing something they love even if it means playing in the back room of pubs when they were once headlining Glastonbury, that's someone who really cares for their art. Good on 'em I say.

Niks | 10 October 2008 - 8:39am

To avoid disappointment

If they're still trying to make it, I mean.

Noodle around at home, with friends or whatever, by all means, but if it's fame and fortune they're after, it ain't gonna happen.

Five-Centres | 10 October 2008 - 8:58am

RE actors from the bil

When I go to the theatre I always check that the cast have been in holby or thr bill otherwise they aren't proper actors just rada wannabies!

Chris G | 10 October 2008 - 8:54am

Oh, god yes...

... that whole 'off-duty' woolly hat thing. WTF's that about? I'm glad it's not just me!

David Rothon | 10 October 2008 - 9:18am
Chris G | 10 October 2008 - 9:25am

UK attempts at apeing successful American TV formats...

... always cheap gubbins compared to the original. Jonathan Ross aint no Letterman and Tonightly wasn't a Daily Show.

Any DJ with a posse (Lamb! Wright!) even Evans gave that up.

Any autobiography with "My Story" anywhere in the title.

English football pundits especially during a world cup. I am a person with no knowledge or interest in any sport at all, but it's obvious, even to me, that the England football team are second rate at best. However because the absurd money floating around the premier league attracts some damn fine foreign players, it artificially makes the domestic game look better than it is and results in average UK talent being brutally overpaid due to its proximity to genuine foreign talent. Half witted football fans then start to think that the national team is better than it is, in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary. Football pundits should be pointing out the truths of this situation but they don't, and when I caught Ian Wright acting like a huffy child the last time England were kicked out of the world cup I actually started shouting "You are a moron!" at the television very loudly. Linekar et al are blooming cheerleaders masquerading as critics.

Newsreaders who act all chummy- just tell me the news, don't try and create some soap opera starring yourselves in my brain. This means you Peter Allen and Anita Anand from 5Live.

The Fratellis. Scottish. Why does the singer affect a mockney accent?

ganglesprocket | 10 October 2008 - 8:38am

Autobiography

Also autobiographies which are titled with simply the person in question's First Name.

kidpresentable | 11 October 2008 - 4:28pm

And then there's "My Autobiography"

Who else's would it be?

Sam Fiddian | 13 October 2008 - 1:21am

Eric Sykes...

...called his autobiography "If I Don't Write It Nobody Else Will".

Og_Oggilby | 13 October 2008 - 4:19pm

"Americana"......

apparently requires a beard and a hard luck story.
You are not a unique snowflake...get over yourself.

Scott Wilkinson | 10 October 2008 - 8:47am

Oh yes

Since they all come from comfortable backgrounds.

David Hepworth | 10 October 2008 - 8:50am

Oh come on

Next you'll be telling us Led Zeppelin weren't real vikings

Stan Halen | 11 October 2008 - 1:28am

DVD commentaries

* The use of the word "ultimately" is ultimately quite annoying.

* The directors who tell anecdotes about how they met the costume designer while the most dramatic scene is playing and then keep schtum for minutes on end when someone's very slowly making breakfast or laboriously parking a car.

* The "you're not gonna believe this" tone they employ when they let you into the secret that the mushroom cloud billowing on the horizon was in fact done by CGI. Huh? You mean you didn't really nuke Cleveland because it would have been too complex to apply for all the permits? Who knew.

* The ones who lie through their teeth about how everyone involved was "a joy to work with". Listening to Frank Oz, you conclude that the shooting of The Score was an enriching experience for all concerned, whereas anyone with sufficient interest in cinema to sit through DVD commentaries knows full well that Brando refused to come out of his trailer if Oz was on set, calling him "Miss Piggy" to his face on the rare occasions when their paths would cross on the way to the catering truck.

Archie Valparaiso | 10 October 2008 - 8:51am

Can i just add DVD commentaries

Who wnats to watch a film twice in short sucession listening to some waffle, DVD extras are all worthless. Mt frioneds got the LOTR box set one of the dvd extras is the making of the Gollum bookend figurines that came as part of the boxset.

Chris G | 10 October 2008 - 8:58am

I've never listened to a DVD commentary in my life

It just gets in the way of the film.

Five-Centres | 10 October 2008 - 9:00am

I understand your point of view

But the one for Spinal Tap is well, well worth it. Oops, wrong thread again.

Gary Parkinson | 10 October 2008 - 7:55pm

Ultimate

Oh yes yes yes. "The Ultimate Sixties Compilation!" Hmm. Something tells me it won't be.

Lucas Hare | 10 October 2008 - 7:10pm

How about endless credit sequences

why does all fo california have to there name on the film.
Books don't credit the lumberjack who felled the trees, Lp's don't credit the barley farmer who supplies jack daniels, why should I care who made the tea. All I want to know is whether that policeman was in poldark and if it really is the undertones on the soundtrack.

Chris G | 10 October 2008 - 9:00am

I see a whole new future for credits sequences

Policeman in bank: Bloke who used to be in Poldark.
Whore: Girl who went out with Stan Collimore.
Croupier: Pete Docherty - but they cut most of it out.
Etc

David Hepworth | 10 October 2008 - 9:06am

Music credits (in a font size smaller than one pixel in height)

"Video Killed the Radio Star" - Actually a cover by a bunch of unknowns because Trevor Horn's quote for licensing the rights was a pisstake, quite frankly.

"Oh My Love My Darling" - That's not what it's called really, so if you want to buy it as an anniversary present you'll need to ask for "Unchained Melody" if you don't want to be laughed at.

Holst's Planets Suite: "Jupiter" - Do you really care which student orchestra from Eastern Europe we roped in on the cheap to play it this time?

"I Hunger for Your Touch" - You're not paying attention, are you?

Archie Valparaiso | 10 October 2008 - 9:50am

you missed

"love will tear us apart" cover By Blink 121 so that we can sell the cd to the V'kids.

We should also include music inpsired by the movie " tracks by artist V'kids have heard of to bulk out OST lp's because let's face it most film music is a bit dull that includes John barry and ennio...

Chris G | 10 October 2008 - 9:52am

Produced by Phil Spector

No human beings were harmed during the making of this record.

Archie Valparaiso | 10 October 2008 - 10:04am

Why do they have special job titles too?

You're right about the endless credits on films, but why are they not called what they do, ie, electrician or carpenter? It's all Key Grip, Best Boy, Gaffer, etc.

Ghost | 10 October 2008 - 10:13am

Webisodes..

and internet-only soap operas. They never last.

Mobile phone companies seriously believing we'll watch TV or films on our phones. I don't know aobut you, but I can barely make out a text message on my screen. I can't imagine holding a phone for hours on end and squinting over Heaven's Gate playing on a screen the size of matchbox.

Five-Centres | 10 October 2008 - 9:04am

Why oh why

Do actors appearing in rep always have their old photographs on the posters and newspaper ads, taken many years before, when they were glam darling.

At least in The Word we get the real Hepworth & Ellen, looking more like Cannon & Ball everyday...

Beany | 10 October 2008 - 9:17am

Because

(a) They can't be bothered to get a new headshot
(b) They can't afford it
(c) They can't be persuaded that the point of a headshot is to look like you, because they'd much rather look fabulous, even if it's nothing like they look in reality

Lucas Hare | 10 October 2008 - 7:13pm

Models/Celebrities...

... who wear tee-shirts with bands and/or band logos on them, that you *know* they don't listen to

e.g.:

The Ramones,
The Clash,
The Rolling Stones,
Kiss,

etc. etc. etc. etc.

Nicodemus | 10 October 2008 - 9:26am

For illustrative purposes only....

Martin Freeman (The Office, Hitchhikers etc etc...) was once a guest on chummy Saturday morning tv show Soccer AM. The presenter, one TV luvvie/mockney presenter Tim Lovejoy (Albarn but in a football sense) was wearing said item (Ramones I believe) and Freeman challenged Lovejoy to name 3 Ramones songs. His face was a picture!

John Waite | 10 October 2008 - 9:47am

Good example,

Nodge1970.

Nicodemus | 10 October 2008 - 11:30am

Nuff said...

Beany | 10 October 2008 - 9:42am

Absolutely

I bet he couldn't even name 3 of her songs!

Austin | 10 October 2008 - 10:19am

Thanks, Austin,

library keyboard and monitor (I'm away for the weekend and had to check email) duly spluttered over. Several people looked round.

nigelthebald | 10 October 2008 - 6:11pm

Misery Memoirs

Smiths even has a section entitled 'Real Life Tragedy', something I suspected was a joke when I first heard it (maybe on a Word podcast), but which I later corroborated with my own eyes.

'Emotional Pornography' more like.

Who the hell is so bloody happy they feel the need for vicarious abuse?

And while we're on the subject of emotional pornography, those horrible programmes which invite the public to sneer at the misfortunes of those in a lower social class.

Fraser M | 10 October 2008 - 9:49am

"Poverty Porn"

... I believe is the term in the book trade.

PS I actually had to read the title & first paragraph of your post three times as I was convinced it was something to do with The Smiths & Morrissey...

Metal Mickey | 10 October 2008 - 11:53am

You mean the "Boo-fucking-hoo" section...

as some wag christened it.

Patrick Crowther | 10 October 2008 - 7:49pm

That was me

Recalling my bookselling days, and subsequently quoted by DH on the Word podcast. Nice to it might be gaining currency.

Gatz | 10 October 2008 - 10:54pm

Hyperkinetic "hand held" camera work

on ANY entertainment program designed for the BBC 3 demographic. Are The Kids so loaded on E-numbers - and E come to that - that they can't sit down and watch anything that isn't wizzy without reaching for the remote?

There are interesting consequences to this phenomenon. For example, yesterday night I was watching a fine example of a popular genre at the moment: the documentary that postulates that all our kids are turning into feral uncontrollable brats. This particular example was on BBC 3; it's called something like The World's Strictest Parents and put two English middle class 16-17 year olds into a Hindu family in India. Of course - just as inevitably as Jo Lumley received her Northern Lights epiphany - there were the obligatory emotional fireworks and learning experience. In other words, the usual Super Nanny story arc but applied to teenagers.

However, what I found striking was when the lad was put into a Indian school he complained that the teacher just stood there and told the pupils (useful) things and they just listened. He wanted activities, he wanted demonstrations...what it seemed he didn't want was to concentrate and participate in simple and efficient knowledge transfer.

This is interesting, is this behaviour a cause OR effect of "addressing young people in their own verbal and visual language" as I am sure Yoof programmers and educators would have it?

Jim Thomas | 10 October 2008 - 11:03am

PRs representing 'celebrities'...

... who insist on a whole paragraph of drivel being included word for word for kindly allowing a picture of said celeb's crappy calendar/weight-loss video/whatever else, to be used in your magazine, with the threat of legal action if their instructions aren't followed to the letter. (As happened here at work yesterday!)

David Rothon | 10 October 2008 - 10:15am

You can't leave it there

Where do you work?

David Hepworth | 10 October 2008 - 10:21am

Actually…

That was probably worded a bit strongly - the 'legal action' thing was more implied (or perhaps assumed by us) than explicit...

David Rothon | 21 October 2008 - 7:40am

Or maybe it wasn't

...judging by the way the post seems to have been deleted (along with its children)...

Gary Parkinson | 22 October 2008 - 6:36pm

Reality and other clichés

Self imposed challenging timescales in reality programmes - "We've got just 48 hours to do this thing". Why? - is it because the producers know how dull the show would be otherwise?

People talking about their "journey" when they mean living their life.

Any situation where people have experienced two different emotions being described as a roller-coaster ride. Find another expression - maybe a see-saw?

"Why should you go through to the next round?", "Because I really, really want this".
Yeah, obviously, but could you try and answer the question please. No? Okay you're through.

Seeing a major character getting into an "R" reg. or older car on UK cop shows signifies that it'll crash in the next scene - at least put on some false plates.

Virtually nobody on TV has a personalised ringtone (not sure if this is a good or bad thing to be honest)

Anybody with a bit of a cough in Act 1 will be terminally ill by Act 3.

Obdewlla | 10 October 2008 - 10:28am

Val Doonican and Hillary Clinton drive me mad

They do that thing whereby there is general applause going on at the end of what they have done and are waving to the crowd. Then - to break up the waving a bit - they point to a ficticious person in the crowd and :

a)pull a face,
b)effect a comic "it's a living" shrug,
c)effect a comic "oh stop it, you!" gesture.

It's to let us know that they DO have friends and that they DO share warm in-jokes and private moments with real people, thereby we can connect with them too. Piss off Hillary. Piss off Val. You don't fool me.

PS - they are not on stage together. This is something I have noticed they both do.

Austin | 10 October 2008 - 10:31am

However

I would pay to see them tour together

Fraser M | 10 October 2008 - 10:35am

Ooh, you are awful!

Brilliant, Austin. Half the images of Hillary Clinton on the Internet are like this:

Photobucket

Archie Valparaiso | 10 October 2008 - 10:58am

I believe

This is her Monica Lewinsky look...

Beany | 10 October 2008 - 11:08am

At the risk of crudeness

If Lewinsky had pulled that face her dress would have stayed clean

Mat Riches | 13 October 2008 - 9:42am

Bloody...

hell that's scary. To think that her finger could have been twitching over the big red button...

Patrick Crowther | 10 October 2008 - 7:52pm

Nixon

This goes back to Richard Nixon. You'd see him stepping out of a plane / on a motorcade / on a podium doing exactly the same thing.

Carl Parker | 12 October 2008 - 10:20pm

4 gig tours

The annoying habit of (almost always American) bands of playing a UK tour that consists of 4 gigs. It's not just the number of dates that's the problem, it's the geography. The amount of times I've seen a UK tour advertised as London, Birmingham (or perhaps Wolverhampton), Manchester & Glasgow. I don't know if the promoters of these tours are regular users of the West Coast mainline or something, but there is actually an eastern side of the country above the capital! Worst offenders, for me, are Wilco who almost redeemed themselves with a London/Birmingham/Manchester/Newcastle variation last year but then cancelled at the last minute, and The Jayhawks who regularly used to do the London + 3 tour, then split up and as solo acts played all over the UK, now back together as Olson/Louris have announced a tour that consists of London + 3 again - WTF?!?! I'm on a roll now so have to mention the 'UK' tour that Lambchop are currently due to play which I believe consists of London/Reading/Brighton/Glasgow. That's not the UK, it's a cab ride round the south east of England plus a nod to Scotland.

One last thing, in Mr Hepworth's original post on this subject he mentioned the anti-piracy infomercials on DVDs. How insane is it that any half-decent piece of DVD copying software can remove the infomercial for you? So a pirated copy of the DVD will probably not feature the message and the only people who HAVE to sit through it are those watching a legitimate copy. AAARRRGGHHH!!

Ghost | 10 October 2008 - 3:04pm

Dave Pierce's Dance floor anthems

that's all I have "Dave Pierce's Dance floor anthems"

oh and when did he stop being "Dangerous"

Chris G | 10 October 2008 - 10:47am

Not really a fan of

the act/star being applauded by the audience in a given situation then applauding the audience back. Joan Rivers was the first I recall doing this on a chat show back in the eighties.

Sven | 10 October 2008 - 11:05am

Credits Crunched

Agree with the previous post on interminable film credits, however on those occasions watching a film on TV where I want to check the name of a particular actor or whatever, the credits get squashed into a wee box just below the limits of legibility, so that the rest of the screen can be used to tell us about the next instalment of Celebrity Wife Beater coming up next. Hate that.

Stephen G | 10 October 2008 - 11:52am

Credits

This has probably been mentioned, but I hate short films or video games on the web that start with the credits. You know why? Because I don't give a f**k who made it. Instead, I get bored and switch off before the action starts or the game loads.

Message to developers/film makers: on the web, you have five seconds to grab my attention. Don't waste it by telling me your name.

Fraser Lewry | 10 October 2008 - 11:58am

Tedious Documentary Synopses ...

...because the assumption is that we all have the attention spans of senile gnats and need a summary of what happened before those important sponsors messages or in the previous episode or two minutes ago! If you take away the recapping of what was previously 'documented' from what was actually documented (if you see what I mean) then what is left amounts to little more than a hill of beans. And while I am ranting ... does Strictly Come Dancing ever get round to making a decision and is it on for ever?!?

steve.wilkinson... | 10 October 2008 - 1:41pm

Coming up after the break...

Followed by

...and before the break we showed you this and this

Beany | 10 October 2008 - 1:49pm

The bizarre uk anti-Larry David scheduling scandal

This has always mystified me. Seinfeld was usually referred to as the 90's most successful sitcom. The beeb bought it and put it on at around midnight whilst occasionally just not bothering if darts or snooker was on. The Larry Sanders Show also suffered from this treatment. Then, when David reappears with Curb Your Enthusiasm the whole comedy world goes crazy in its praise. Channel 4 buy it up and don't even bother to show it on terrestrial TV! It goes to E4 and stays there.
Now I know most people here probably have all the channels etc etc but it seems very suspicious to me that these programmes were treated like that. The Sopranos suffered a bit like that at the end too. I mean - Frasier and Friends are so popular here why couldn't they have given these shows a chance? Bizarre.

dannyboy3000 | 10 October 2008 - 1:58pm

People given fake monickers...

... to make then sound 'edgy' - Dr. Fox being the prime example (and he isn't even a real fox...), and as ChrisG stated - 'Dangerous' Dave Pierce.

On that question, Chris - was he ever 'dangerous'?

Reno Dakota | 10 October 2008 - 8:03pm

In the Mark 'n' Lard days

they used to refer to him as Mildly Alarming Dave Pearce. Sounded about right to me.

PaddyB | 14 October 2008 - 12:43pm

Porno news

The judging of what is "newsworthy" purely by the quality/shock value of the footage.

For example, there is an earthquake in Tokyo. No-one is hurt and nothing is damaged however a TV program was going live at the time and the footage shot ends up being broadcast all over the world as news. "Look, the set is shaking!"

Why don't they judge news on the basis of "If there were no footage would we mention this?" If the answer is "no" they shouldn't show it. They've turned the news into a freakshow.

It's pornography. From my understanding of it porn is anything that's sole purpose is to titilate or arouse the viewer. Thats what the news is becoming.

Cookieboy | 10 October 2008 - 10:49pm

Ad breaks

before the programme has properly started, ie right after the credits. Thanks for this, America. We owe you one.

Lucas Hare | 11 October 2008 - 7:19am

Encores

Why do them? Is your ego so fragile? Do you have to seek the adulation of the crowd by going off stage for 30 seconds so audience can then beg you to do more? Thus fulfilling your misconception that you are worthy?

I pay to see you play. Do your set and then fuck off down the pub and let us go home.

marmiteboy | 11 October 2008 - 8:14am

I saw the Word coverboy the other night

and Elbow are playing with the whole encore thing, admitting that it is a bit silly and trying to get the crowd to fill in the gap whilst they are off stage by singing a song.

By the by, for the doubters, Elbow were very good. First concert I have been to where the audience mood was "Forget the old songs, play more from the new album," which I think they were a bit bemused by.

Cornwall Guy | 11 October 2008 - 1:39pm

People in pop calling themselves 'Artists'

Dylan at a push. Perhaps the Beatles in retrospect... but on which bad day did God decide that it was now okay for the universe's reject hod carriers and check-out girls to start calling themselves artists? And journalists are just as bad, they encourage this heracy by referring to all and sundry as 'artists', to boot.

A prance in trousers so baggy they show your g-string, and the ability to mime in unison does not an artist make.

the_saint | 11 October 2008 - 10:39am

Yes! Yes!

Annie bloody Lennox finds it impossible to do an interview without including "as an Artist..." in every sentence. And why doesn't she cheer up? Makes Gordon Brown look like a Chuckle Brother.

Cornwall Guy | 11 October 2008 - 1:42pm

Advertisers using twee whistling in their campaigns...

A clever device, employed by numerous companies to try to humanize and soften their public image.

Banks hope that the aforementioned whistling will make people think "Aww, they're not so bad, maybe they do have my best interests at heart and won't fleece me dry."

Fast food chains, meanwhile, combine whistling with images of healthy looking children running about, trying to disguise the reality that burger munching kids are more likely to be lard arses sat immobile on the sofa.

It is a vile tactic and one which deserves our contempt...

Patrick Crowther | 11 October 2008 - 4:36pm

Exploiting the act of whistling

Last year, BP in NZ used cartoon characters whistling in its TV ads to get us thinking that BP was a laid back and cool and above all green petroleum sellin' machine.

This was an Ad agency getting ideas above its station, in my view. When it next tries to flog their services to the next client, they will say "we even managed to get British Petroleum, yes British Petroleum, to be actually perceived as a clean, green, sustainabile, environmentally-minded organisation - in New Zealand!" T

The trouble is, most people aren't as thick as that. To nearly quote Spinal Tap - "you know it when you are near a pile of bullshit. You don't need to know exactly where it is or how it got there, but you do know it's there".

Austin | 11 October 2008 - 10:31pm

2 more things

When BBC and ITV have very similar rival shows going head to head in ratings war, yet would do better if were shown at separate times since same audience would probably then watch both. Yes I know you can use Sky+ or i-player or whatever but I like to watch things when they are scheduled mostly, like when you want to watch with your partner - and we don't have Sky+.

Ads that use cloying, twee, annoying, fey nu-folk type songs - typically for mobile phones. The kind of tunes you that are far too sweet and coy for their own good.

Sven | 11 October 2008 - 5:46pm

It's all gone wrong...

1. The fact that pretty much all prime-time TV is created for the lowest common denominator. Would a terrestrial station ever fund something as high-brow and expensive as Kenneth Clark's classic Civilisation, or The World At War?
2. The little channel idents on digital TV. I know I'm watching Five US, thanks, because I'm the one who switched it on. I don't need a logo burning its way into the corner of the screen to remind me, ta.
3. The lack of funny adverts. Where's this generation's Hamlet ads? We want a new Baldy Man-type thing, I say!
4. In a world where practically any programme you could want is available somewhere on the internet or on digital, how do the main channels think they can compete with Saturday night schedules that are so unremittingly awful?
5. People who moan on the internet. Oh, hang on...

MrLovegrove | 11 October 2008 - 5:27pm

Channel 4's infuriating idents

Possibly a little too specific for this thread but I need to say it!

Who else can't abide the current set of idents Channel 4 are running? Those long drawn out optical illusion style things where, eventually, the '4' appears out of either the New York skyline or a rock formation or a gig p.a. stack etc.

How pretentious and smug. And how annyoyingly long they are? 9 times out of 10 the forthcoming programme has been announced ,but no, we can't go straight to it because we have to wait until the bloody '4' has been revealed in a drawn out silence. Arrrghhh!

A small complaint in a world full of much larger issues certainly, and yes, I can spare these few seconds in my life - but I hate having to.

Oh, and the god-awful 'Primetime on Dave sponsored by Cobra beer' animated links are crass in the extreme.

There. I've got it out now. Calm.

Andy Barrons | 11 October 2008 - 9:36pm

Bullshit man

When news breaks on Sky and they have just the one line from the news agency, they always wheel in the same reporter who then waffles expertly for as long as 30 minutes. We call him Bullshit Man in our office and often turn up the sound to laugh at his increasingly desperate inventions. If the news is confirmed as bogus, which is often, BM is wheeled off as quickly as he was wheeled in. When Sky covered the return of English nanny accused and acquitted of the murder of a baby in the US. the reporter resorted to reading out her seat number and full flight number to fill. The cliche the 'soundbite culture' does not apply.

Sky are also the main culprits in over reporting news from America - just because Fox have pictures. How many small plane crashes in Europe, India or China get the coverage US ones do?

I would also nominate the BBC and its relationship with the National Lottery. I worked for the BBC in the 90s and things may have changed since, but the agreement with the National Lottery included the running of 'trails' for the National Lottery show on local radio. These were commercials that money couldn't buy on a public service network - pushing gambling.

I would also put forward as dumb the use of the word 'finest' to describe a band from, say, Ipswich or Newcastle and during any music festival coverage excited discussions about wellies - especially 'designer' pairs.

russell123 | 12 October 2008 - 8:55am

Expanding adverts...

... on websites. When ever you accidentally more the cursor over an advert on a web-page - the whole screen then is filled for a few seconds with a large version of said advert.

Stop. It. Now.

Reno Dakota | 12 October 2008 - 11:16am

'Bands who come on stage

'Bands who come on stage without being introduced'

This annoyed many people at John Cale's tribute to Nico last night at the Festival Hall. Hardly anyone said a word onstage and no intros to who anyone was. So sometimes you thought. 'Wow, great version of that and top voice.....i wonder who they are?'

Ok Manic Bradfield, Bauhaus Murphy and Mark Lanegan were familiar to many but people resorted to shouting 'Who are you?' not in a mocking way but in a genuine interest in what they'd liked and heard. A little context of why they chose to sing that particular song (or why Cale chose it for them maybe!)wouldn't have been a bad thing.

Still an interesting, unpredictable and eclectic night of great songs it was in any case

DogFacedBoy | 12 October 2008 - 2:40pm

I must have been going to all the wrong concerts

I've been to quite a few concerts over the years and I would say that only at about 10% of them have the band been introduced. Where they have been introduced, I don't think it has enhanced the concert in any way. You know who you have paid to see, so why do they need to be introduced?

Simon Ford | 12 October 2008 - 6:34pm

Oh I dunno sometimes its good

"Ladies and gentlemen.... please welcome the poet laureate of rock-n-roll. The voice of the promise of the sixties counterculture. The guy who forced folk into bed with rock. Who donned makeup in the seventies, and disappeared into a haze of substance abuse. Who emerged to find Jesus. Who was written off as a has-been by the end of the eighties, and who suddenly shifted gears; releasing some of the strongest music of his career beginning in the late nineties.....
Ladies and gentlemen.... Columbia recording artist... Bob Dylan."

DogFacedBoy | 12 October 2008 - 7:42pm

And there's more

As the final coup de grace in an alarmist documentary about something alarming:
"Is there any way we can stem the tide? Or are we becoming a nation of (insert alarming thing here)"

Calling anyone within a 100 yard radius of a petri dish a "boffin".

TV and radio presenters thanking me for my company.

TV ads in another language but dubbed very, very badly into english.

Austin | 12 October 2008 - 5:46pm

Cds that don't number the tracks...

... you have to count down the list of songs to find the track number you are looking for.

Gggrrr...

Nicodemus | 12 October 2008 - 6:06pm

Performers that produce their children onstage;

in fact that goes for sports people too. Great: you and a member of the opposite sex had a shag, and roughly nine months later offspring appeared.

This is not a significant achievement - anyone can do it.

And at what point does this constitute some level of child abuse.

And while I'm at it, so-called stars that sell photos of their new-born to glossy mags. Yes, i'm sure it's wonderful and you're blissfully happy (being able to pay someone to wake up in the middle of the night unlike most parents) but has it occurred to anyone that at some point the kid might grow up and get a bit pissed at being prostituted before they could even talk. "Why did you wave me in front of a camera? Am I just a source of $$ for you? Where's my cut?" etc. Have a fun adolescence.

Sam Fiddian | 13 October 2008 - 1:36am

Had to wade in here...

Manufacturers who don't shell out to make different language versions of things, and just lump them all together for different 'territories'. So you get instruction manuals that are bigger than telephone directories when you only actually need about 10 pages, and DVDs with warnings not to broadcast them on oil rigs and the like in 14 different languages THAT YOU CAN'T FORWARD PAST.

Different variations of the iPlayer from certain other broadcasters that are, a) full of processor-sapping Flash adverts, b) are tiny and non-expandable, c) require you to register, log on and certify you will buy all their products at a later date, d) also require you to download the latest software that mysteriously is not needed whenever you watch anything else, and most of all, e) are virtually unwatchable because the presence of all the above renders the whole thing so jerky that you're lucky to watch one frame in 200. I've already given up on the online 4od.

The sheer gumption of people who rip stuff off the TV to put on YouTube then put 'credits' for themselves on it, as if they had anything whatsoever with making the programme in the first place. "This clip from Lost brought to you by ObamaHater386."

This is my first post folks...

Klaus Joynson | 13 October 2008 - 4:55am

Articles in broadsheet colour supplements about...

... 'former rock star' Pearl Lowe.

David Rothon | 13 October 2008 - 8:35am

Yes

Powder weren't the greatest band, were they?

milkybarnick | 28 October 2008 - 1:44pm

Media asking Alex James...

... for his opinion on.....anything.

Nicodemus | 13 October 2008 - 10:04am

Slightly off-piste

I know we are supposed to be moaning about the modern world but....can I just speak up for adverts on the Tube in London. Saw one yesterday, and have beeny dying to share it with someone so I am shoe-horning it in here just to make the World a better place.

Advert for an historical detective novel called "The Ottoman Detective" with the strap line "He may be a eunuch, but he's missing nothing". Genius.

gunnerboy | 13 October 2008 - 1:18pm

4OD Posh/Northern confusion..

If you stream or download anything from Channel 4 On Demand, a woman announces the service in a posh, 'sexy' voice, but when it comes to the word 'demand' she says demAnd, in a northern accent.

It's really incongruous and annoys me immensely. You can TELL she's been asked to soften the poshness and to proletariatise the hard A.
Conversely, if she is actually from the north, then you can TELL Channel 4 have asked he to 'posh-up'. You can't have it both ways 4OD...

martyk | 13 October 2008 - 3:02pm

I can't OD on my OS

I can't stream or download anything from 4 On Demand, because it's not compatible with Apple Macs. Yes yes, there are good reasons legal and practical for this, but it still irks. Which was, last time I looked, the point of this thread.

Gary Parkinson | 16 October 2008 - 7:33pm

30 second concert clips...

... on YouTube. Why? Please, put me out of your misery.

Reno Dakota | 13 October 2008 - 6:29pm

Advertising Relying on Your Own Ignorance...

...or products advertised on the strength of things you can't possibly be expected to know anything about - as in "I must get some of that as it contains Lipopeptides/Xylitol/Action Liposomes/Actizol. It must be good."

And products using ridiculous scientific terminology e.g. Quantum Shampoo (in two places at once?), or those Gilette Stealth razors. Bought one the other day and now can't find it anywhere.

djsmallpaul | 13 October 2008 - 7:20pm

Ridiculous scientific terminology

Shampoo and other products that list (usually as the main ingredient) Aqua. Does it sound more sexy than plain, simple water?

Carl Parker | 14 October 2008 - 7:26am

I thought

that was another cross-border cash-saver – not many languages call it water compared to aqua or the near-as-dammit agua. I could, of course, be utterly wrong (it's been known).

Gary Parkinson | 16 October 2008 - 7:36pm

And more...

More YouTube naffery: tribute videos. You know, those things that are edited from Doctor Who/ Buffy/ whatever clips by 14 year olds on their parents' computer with a soundtrack by "my current favourite band". Who on EARTH would want to watch them? (Apart from dodgy independent TV production companies on the lookout for sweatshop editing manpower.)

(Bleedin' American teccy Imperialism, such as a website that couldn't be more British underlining the word 'favourite' in red to tell you you've spelt it wrong. And the word 'spelt' too, apparently.)

Has there ever been a good celebrity endorsement, with the possible exception of Viv Stanshall's Ruddles adverts? Anything featuring David Beckham or Tiger Woods just causes involuntary shrieks of, "like you haven't got enough bleedin' money!"

Podcasts that really want to be radio shows, and feature lots of interviews and soundtrack music and clever crossfades and editing and balanced reporting, when really you just want people sitting in a room and having opinions on things. Hmm...

I'll stop soon.

Klaus Joynson | 13 October 2008 - 11:45pm

Anyone seen the Lufthansa ad?

I saw it on the tube, but there's also one at the bus stop opposite Oakwood station. Shockingly, it spells "surprisingly" without the first 'r'. Someone should lose their job. How is this possible?

EDIT: Someone's changed the one at Oakwood; but here's one I caught on the tube today:

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Lucas Hare | 14 October 2008 - 1:51pm

I once saw a signwriter's van parked on the street...

with the details of the business on the doors and bonnet. The word signwriter was missing the 'w'.

Bet he gets a lot of business...

Patrick Crowther | 14 October 2008 - 7:49pm

I once got a CV from a would-be copywriter

"...and I pride myself on my attention to detial."

Archie Valparaiso | 14 October 2008 - 8:30pm

You couldn't...

make it up, could you?!

Patrick Crowther | 15 October 2008 - 9:00am

Nope. See also:

"Striving for excellance".

Archie Valparaiso | 15 October 2008 - 10:18am

Porduction

We've just been looking for a production editor/chief sub (I'm sure I put one down round here somewhere) and dozens of the applications had glaring errors in them.