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Calling all home recording members of the Massive...
It has come to my attention that several here amongst us write original music & record it at home in various ways. I would like to set up a way of sharing that music (either anonymously or not...). This is NOT a way of promoting / selling your music - just an interesting conversation and sharing opportunity to be had.
I have Mac iDisk where I think it it possible for any web users to drop files. We could use that - although I would have to delete things regularly due to limited space. I also have a webpage where MP3s could be made playable / downloadable.
If any of you have a better way of sharing things then please suggest!! (I suppose we could set up a collective myspace account, although you can only put 10 tracks at a time up there.)
And if you want to talk gear / techniques / influence / recording triumphs and disasters - feel free!
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sounds great!
I record instrumental rock & roll, as simply as possible : I try to get guitar sounds I want using amps/FX boxes and then record them. If I don't do that, I end up forever tweaking the reverb/vibrato etc and never finishing it. Having said that, the amp simulators are great : if I can just fix the settings and resist the temptation to just adjust this ....
I keep the recording simple for 2 reasons - they are mainly demos for my band to get a handle on them, and (more importantly) I have devoted many many hours to polishing and tweaking recordings to realise that they are either no darn good. Nice arrangements, nothing really there.
I record on a standard PC, using Acid Pro 6, mainly electric guitars and recently bought a bass guitar for the first time in many years which has been great fun. I have a small MIDI keyboard that I mean to get set up again ....
I've lost loads of recordings through pressing the wrong button. One night Late on, I put a cup of tea across the keyboard with a Telecaster when I had just nailed a solo on the sixth take, which meant I had to - make the guitar safe, disconnect the keyboard, clean up the spilled tea, swap the keyboard from the other PC in and THEN save. For a solo that in the end I didn't like.
Let me know when / how we share.
me too
Garageband user (I prefer it over most high-end packages). Record quirky lo-fi tracks, usually giving myself a short time limit to write and record, two hours being the optimum. I'd never dream of playing them in my band, they are too personal/weird/amusing. I don't often play them for anyone because I do them for my own entertainment.
I'm a multi-instrumentalist. Started out on the guitar, and from there mastered keyboards, bass, harmonica, mandolin, banjo, accordion, concertina, and many others. A few years back decided to concentrate on harmonica, mandolin and dobro only. Not a bad producer/programmer.
If anyone wants a contribution to a track, to liven it up or move it into a quirky new direction, give me a shout.
ways of sharing
It is pretty easy to post your music up on Archive.org, though you should familiarize yourself with Creative Commons licenses before doing anything. The benefit of doing this is that it gets the music out there, and if you select the right type of license, no-one can derive secondary benefit from it. They can't sell the music posted there. Other sites - read the small print.
im in....
..and up for sharing.I have been recording and uploading my very low fi( No effectes!!) demos onto myspace for a year or so. Happy to share , happy to hear comments, positive or negative.
Just today the GF introduced me to garageband...which is fun , but still feels a bit like cheating to my tascam 4 track mind!!
Belssed Tascam
One of the best investments ever for me was a Tascam 4-track : I haven't used it for a while becasue I've got a better PC but there is a particular warmth about the sound. I recorded a few tracks with that which I mixed using my Fender Twin Reverb : they were the only available speakers without taking everything apart and taking it through 2 rooms. Sounded lovely to me!
4-tracks will always rule
I've had a few. But I think Garageband is the closest that software has come to the immediacy of a 4-track.
badger's tunes
I've recently started putting more effort into my recordings of late. At the moment I've been doing experiments with ambient based folk that has psychadelic leanings.
It would be nice to see what else the Word readers record.
Me too
I do a lot of home recording - Akai DPS 16 hard disk recorder 16 track and a load of outboard gear - I just use the computer for mixing down to and mastering. I am at the end of a lengthy project recording a dozen self penned songs as a set - I have been in mixing hell for months. But I am, touch wood, almost finished. It is largely acoustic based folky/West Coasty sort of stuff. Lots of harmonies. But English influences in there too - a few in DADGAD for example.
I think as there aren't hundreds of us we'll use my 'iDisk'
Go here:
idisk.mac.com/adamjsear-Public
Login name: public
Password: I will send this to you in a message rather than publishing it on the web!
There is a folder titled 'Word Massive' - drop MP3s in there - shall we say a max of three each?
Deadline? Don't really need one - we can all go to the folder, upload / download as we wish - then comment on this thread. What do you say? Shall we give it a try?
(Might be best to compress files to .zip if we can!?)
Yes, I admit it, me too...
...though I'm in no way a techno-boffin - I don't even have a mobile phone and I've never played a computer game of any sort - but I had great fun with a 4-track tape machine, a couple of guitars and a borrowed moog as a kid in the mid '80s and a couple of years back bought a Boss digital 8-track (designed to seem simple to idiots/technophobes like me by pretending to look like a 4-track).
I haven't really picked up an instrument in the past year or so, but I got a great deal out of my system in 2007-8 with an albums worth of stuff, which slipped out on CD under an alias, most of which was first demoed on the 8-track, including my dreadful voice, before quality artistes/pitying or generous friends were hauled in to do them justice in studios.
Funny thing was, some of the original 8-track parts often had a certain 'something' that couldn't be regained in a pro studio, hence two tracks (one with Judy Dyble kindly doing the biz on vocals, flown in - the vocals that is, not Judy - from deepest Oxfordshire, the other with Duke Special popping round to tinkle the ivories on a digital piano I really must try and learn to play before picking up his kids from school - oh, it's just showbiz central round here!) were pretty much Boss recordings painstakingly reassembled, manually track by track, on Pro Tools. Great fun...
In a way, the world now resembles how Roy Harper once described the last days of the famous star-making 'Les Cousins' folk dive in Soho circa 1970: 'By the end, every one was a singer-songwriter - there was no audience left'. :-)
Sounds terrific...
... would you care to share any tracks?
I'd be very happy to, Ad...
...show us all the way, and let's share the embers from the last fires of recorded music before someone switches off the light. Techno-grumbler though I am, I can just about turn a CD track into an MP3 and send it into space... :-)
Great... (and poetically put too...)
If you send me a message via the site I'll email you the login / password for my iDisk - that way you can upload your stuff & listen to tracks already uploaded. I think a max of three tracks each to keep it manageable for now.
Cheers!
PS I don't think you'll see any content there until Thurs at the earliest!
You might have to help me out there, Ad...
...I can't see how to send a message via the site (other than posting here). Obviously I'm missing something (a brain... common sense... forwards-compatability...)
Click on the Adman in red above
You should get thru to my info... There should be a Contact tab - this will allow you to send me a message. If that doesn't work it might be worth contacting the site's technical bods - Fraser is the man for that.
3 tracks uploaded
Sketches Of You
Breaking Down My Barriers
You Don't Own Me
apologies for mic quality, they're only rough versions at the moment
and one is 8 and a half minutes long...
Great!
Will take a listen asap. My stuff should be up in next couple of days.
Just moved
into the world of Pro-tools... steep learning curve ahead.
hopefully have some tracks up soon.
I too started on Tascam 4 track cassette then Zoom hard-disk recorder..but I've always wanted to get into the world of Midi
I'm a guitarist/singer mainly but have collected loads of instruments aliong the way and want to experiment.got one track up here www.myspace.com/strawfields I recorded it a couple of years ago with the good intention of doing more.
But I've been busy with various other bands
my recent band HUXLEY
http://www.myspace.com/huxley013
looking forward to hearing your stuff!
Strawfields
Really enjoyed the track you have up on your myspace, particularly the use of discordant beeps and buzzes later in the track, it works well as a contrast to the sweet vocal harmonies Any plans to add more solo work to this page?
yeah I hope to pull my finger out
and finally get some more solo stuff done this year. Glad you like..really appreciate your comments.
the weird beeps are a ring-modulator effect on electric guitar...stumbled on it by chance.
Boss ME50
A great box for plugging the guitar into and then randomly dialling up odd combinations of effects for those big 'Paranoid Android' wigouts!
Yes !!
I actually own one of those, love how it has the knobs instead of buttons...not ideal for gigging but like you say, extremely versatile for Modulations and delays when recording...I also had an old digitech multi-effects which had the ring modulator...i got rid of it because it wasn't as accessible as the ME-50..
Pro-tools has some amazing plugins and amp modellers so if you don't fancy miking up an amp you can use direct input....handy sensitive neighbours.
Pro Tools
Don't have it at home but I've messed around with it a couple of times. There is some great stuff in there, there's also a hell of a lot to get your head around and I've never had the time to have a proper dig. Even Ableton Live has a bunch of digital effects that I've yet to tinker about with. I tend to DI the ME-50 line out into the back of my midi keyboard rather than mic up an amp, being all to familiar with 'sensitive neighbour syndrome'.
Just got pro tools last week with a Firewire control interface
fed up with mixing on my hard-disk recorder wanted a computer screen....my brain is bleeding now though... it's intense
Computer screen vs LCD display
I have a workmate who describes recording without a decent display as 'trying to paint your hallway through your letterbox'!
Cakewalk
Nice idea,
I also started with a Tascam 4-track, but have been using Cakewalk 2 on my pc since about 2001. There are more advanced versions of this and other software around, but would require a large upgrade to said pc, and I'm pretty happy with it anyway. It's a fairly basic 8-track, but with the option of some digital tweaking. I use a drum machine and play everything else. There are songs on my myspace (link in my user-profile), but I'll add something to your iDisk soon!
nice tunes..
nice variety too.
iDisk
Hi there, if you'd like to add any music to the iDisk the address is
idisk.mac.com/adamjsear-Public
and the user name is: public
Contact me via the site & I'll send you the password by return email.
Cheers!
Seems a great idea...
I've noticed a few bedroom noodlers on here as well. I use Abelton Live on a standard spec PC to record through my M Audio Ozone midi keyboard though I should look at hooking up to my laptop for portability.
My music is a very lo-fi 'mash-up' of alesis sr-16 droop loops, acoustic guitar, glokenspiel (or xylophone, people can never get that one right), mandolin and whatevers lying around. I've been known to use pepper grinders as percussion. Sneezy. Beck, Eels and lo-fi artists like Moldy Peaches are probably my biggest influences songwriting wise. I'm not much of a producer but enjoy the songwriting side of things and messing around with layering up sound. Would be more than happy to share...
If it's wood then it's a xylophone
come from the greek root Xylo for wood...ya see?
sorry.
Beck was my main influence for considering home recording ...him and Gomez.
Thanks for that.
It is a glokenspiel, German for 'bell-play' I believe. Unfortunately, even retailers seem incapable of telling them apart. It's particularly useful for adding a bit of 'high-end'!
Recently picked up Beck's 'One Foot in the Grave' recordings on K records. God, they're rough.
Recent posters!
Will email you the password for my iDisk asap. Or email me via this site & I will send you the info! Glad to see people getting into it!!
I have added two tracks to the iDisk
Better As A Memory
You Can't Touch Me Now
Both recorded in my dining room on an iMac with GarageBand. Used a cheap Samson USB mic & a Variax guitar. All FX are in GarageBand. Also use an M-Audio USB keyboard to access the soft-synths, etc. Monitored on cheap(ish) Edirol micro monitors & *nice* Sennheiser er, 'cans.' Chiefly think of what I do as songwriting - these are fleshed out demos, really. I'm no musician (or singer!), but I think it's a pretty good sound.
two added
Welcome to Twangsville
Hit The Waves
Straightahead surfin' instrumentals.
Now I have heard these...
I'm strapping my board to the VW camper and heading for the coast!!
reups
As people couldn't access my .RAR file I am now attempting to put up the mp3s.
Same 3 as before:
Sketches Of You
You Don't Own Me
Breaking Down My Barriers
Me too
I've got some older stuff recorded on a Roland VS-840 sync'd to my PC running Cakewalk. For a few years my band (Split the Kitty) took precedence, but that's now on hold since our singer moved to Amsterdam. So it's back to the home recording, the plan being to move everything onto the PC and upgrade to Sonar. In the meantime I could upload one or two of the older tracks.
It took me ages...
and is unlikely to be worth the wait but I've somehow, finally, overcome my first idisk experience. It's not them, it's me but I somehow managed to get three tracks up. They're in:
Word Massive> Gav Leonard - My Great Fanclub
Crocodile
The Day I left the House
What's the deal with Dinosaurs
I can't really sing for toffee but enjoy writing lyrics and xylophone riffs!
Now that I've got the hang of it, I'll try to check out previous uploads.
Cheers again Adman.
I'm digging that xylophone...
Good use of co-vocalist too...
GLOCKENSPIEL!!!
Don't make me send Spinoza over to explain Greek roots ;)
God bless 'er indoors (for it is she). I keep trying to encourage her to do her own stuff as, unlike myself, she has rather a nice way with a tune but would prefer to get her teeth into songs that aren't about zombies, aliens or dinosaurs. Girls, eh?
Reasons not to shout on the internet: part 17
I have noticed that in my original post I refered to my Glockenspiel parts as xylophone parts. There is no excuse for this. I played them, I should know what instrument they are played on.
Can we have a national awareness day, get Patrick Moore up in Trafalger Square on the fourth plinth covering Van Halen's Jump! alternating between xylophone and glockenspiel and explaining the etymology of the two words?
I should know that - I spend my days explaining it to kids!!
Your GLW has a very good voice - maybe she should pen herself some lyrics, if she objects to yours!
lo-fi massive
have listened to all the tracks so far. an interesting mix. we all seem to be into lo-fi sounds.
the list of musical influences so far seems to be:
Duane Eddy
Bauhaus
Television Personalities / Half Man Half Biscuit
Panda Bear
Giorgio Moroder / Robert Johnson - a logical combination (thanks Andrew)
I'm excited to hear more
Which one am I??
I thought you had a bit of a Stuart Murdoch thing going on there... Maybe add some wonky
trumpet?
Bauhaus
I thought you had that kind of lo-fi post punk thing going on that they employed on their first 3 albums.
Admittedly the vocals aren't the same, but the spirit is.
Cool
I am a Northamtonshire lad, just like them!
Lo-fi post-punk, like it!
my stuff
I've uploaded the following:
Sweet Levee Moan (the Moroder/Johnson combo that BK refers to) - this is actually a proper recording. I got paid for this one, it was used in an advert.
The rest are 'two hour challenge' tracks... done from scratch in two hours... purely for my own entertainment.
You Can All Go Home Now - a bitter little tune aimed at boring dinner party guests. I like to think of this as a tribute to Warren Zevon.
Oranges - a parody of a heartfelt song. Uses the tortuous metaphor of a football half time snack of oranges for a mid-life crisis.
Tablets of Stone - a blues hymn to prozac, with very dodgy FM synth
I've Got A Fairlight - a 'tribute' to the musical arms-race of the mid 80s. Refers to Peter Gabriel's sampling of paving slabs on PG4, Thomas Dolby, and of course the old favourite, the orchestral stab. The only track that uses any of the built in loops from GarageBand.
Looking forward to hearing these...
I thought Sweet L M was Moby-esque. In a good way! (Not everyone would take that as a compliment!)
Moby-esque...
...yes, I thought that too, Ad. Nice track!
Finally got around to giving these a proper listen, Andrew...
V. good! Like 'em all very much indeed.
You are sounding like Gerard Langley from The Blue Aeroplanes on 'You Can All Go Home Now' - that kind of speak / sing thing he does. Excellent.
wonk-faced unsigned acts
That's a description from Word Magazine regarding most of the people on Myspace. I laughed for several days at this, until I looked in the mirror...
I don't consider myself an unsigned act, as I have no aspirations for my own recordings to be anything more than a hobby. Hardly anyone ever hears them. Do any of you have any genuine aspirations here? What does home recording mean to you?
I'm a bitter middle aged wannabe pop star!
But on other days I'm just a bloke with really engaging passtime. Depends how I feel!
it passes the time
until I get money for a producer / recording studio - it's good to have rough demos, should the opportunity arise
my actual stuff would be a lot less lo-fi, I'm just rubbish at producing myself
What gear are you using BK?
In my experience you don't need a professional studio to make a reasonable sound these days. You could save time, cash and heartache by developing your own engineering skills.
Our band are saving costs by
Recording Drum tracks at professional studio and doing vocals,over-dubs etc. at mine.
All back to Spinoza's place then!
Get the kettle on!
Give me a week or two to sort out this Pro-tools lark
and you're on..
Will purchase chocolate digestives
in readiness!
At the moment
I've been recording through a Novation Speedio USB Audio interface, recording vocals with a microphone, and guitar straight in. I've been using the program "Music Maker: Dance Edition" because I know how that works, but as I have a basic version of Cubase, I should probably try and work that out at some stage.
The reason it sounds distorted is because I rushed through. I was in a good mood that the machine was working ok.
I'm planning on doing some more stuff this week, so will put a bit more effort in.
It's just working out how to achieve the sound I have in my head.
Success/failure...
Well, against the odds (ie against my latent technophobia) I've managed a couple of nights back to upload three tunes (took AGES, mind!), two of them might even be in the right folder... But my blasted internet access has been down ever since (currently, briefly, on a relative's PC), so I've had no chance yet to hear anybody else's stuff, for which my sincere apols...
As for aspirations, I won't deny I'd love someone with a vast worldwide audience to cover one of my songs (I haven't yet uploaded the one which, in my utter delusion, would be The One - and if I do, you'll all be very welcome to say I'm deluded!) and take financial worry out of my life forever. But the odds are massively against that ever happening. And, as someone said above, it's a nice hobby - I've absolutely no desire to be 'an artist' myself - even if I was the right age/looks/craziness to try, it just isn't in me. C'est la vie!
hushabye lullaby
Recorded this today, it's an arrangement of a Brian Patten poem I've done.
I got the guitar and ukulele to sound right, but the voice still distorted, as I had to boost it to get volume, as it sounded a bit muffled.
I think I'm getting there.
Haven't listened all the way thru yet, b_k
But there is a definite improvement in sonic quality!
Will take a closer listen asap - weekend has been absurdly busy!
Thanks to everyone for continued uploading to the iDisk
Please add as many tracks as you like (the storage will take it for now!) and let everyone know via the thread.
Remember, if you need the iDisk password / protocol contact me via this site & I will email it back to you.
Am looking forward to catching up with all the tunes this week...
Standby for a collaborative music making thought... will explain soon...
collaborative
I'm in - whatever it is.
*standing by*
Ok - how about...
We select a key (say C maj) and a tempo (say 100 bpm) and we all upload short home made loops. We then all work on a track which incorporates these bits and upload them to the iDisk by a given date. Any thoughts? Should give some varied and interesting results!
Chords ?
12 bar ? Modes ? or just leave it all up for grabs and we can knit together all we can from what's on offer ?
(That sounds accidentally snippy - it isn't meant to!)
*inserts great big smiley to compensate*
I say leave it all up for grabs...
...didn't sound snippy at all!
Clarification is a good thing!!
What I would do is write a couple of chord sequences & accompanying bass lines, guitar lines, etc. Some percussion - upload them as separate tracks & see what happens. It's an experiement - could be great, could be awful! (Could also share some 'sounds' which would work in any key / tempo - voices, noises, etc.)
What do people think?
I'm up for that
sounds good
John Cage would be proud of ours sonic endeavours
So, who's going to kick it off?
And most crucially, I think our collective should be called either Egg Friday, or Wonk Face.
I've got a day off tomorrow...
So I could upload some stuff.
People could either wait & respond, or do their own thing... See if it gels.
C major, 100 bpm.
I guess we could give ourselves about a week to upload all our 'snippets' and then agree a deadline for finished tracks.
How about 'Wonk Face' by Egg Friday?
Wonk Face by Egg Friday it is
I will do some 'stems' (isolated parts) in the next couple of days.
I'd suggest a deadline of Tuesday 21st for stems, and Tuesday 28th for the final tracks. Comments?
Oh yes, I'd recommend The Freesound Project for bits of open source noise if anyone is interested.
All sounds good to me!
Let's get to work!
b_k - I'll pop a silent loop up...
(That sounds like a euphemism...)
some bits ready to go up
I've got something as a quick test : 30 seconds vamping on C.
Bass part, 2 guitar parts. The bass part timing is not solid throughout - if you want a consistent feel take a bar you like and cut/paste that.
I'll put them up and see if anyone tinkers with them.
All are straight guitar into PC - no amp / amp modelling.
I can add amps if anyone would like them - this seemed to be the simplest thing to offer up as a starter.
EDIT - for some reason I have put them in the wrong place again - can you please tidy them up ?
Excellent!
Will tidy up tomorrow...
28th
I'm going on holiday on the 25th for 2 weeks, so my completed track will arrive after everyone else's.
Will make sure I get some stems put up though.
Great.
Going somewhere good? (I suppose you wouldn't be going if you didn't think it was good...)
beats
Have uploaded some of these. Title is synonymous with the wav. I believe it to be in 100bpm, but I'm not sure if I trust my computer or not.
Anyway, it's easy enough to change the speed of the track.
some stems uploaded
A bit of harmonica vamping, a complete chord sequence on mandola, some individual mandola chords, and a dobro phrase. Do whatever you want with them!
If anyone has a chord sequence in mind, let us know.
more
A few bits of generic synth noise uploaded too (Andrew stems 2.zip)
Have created a new folder 'Egg Friday stems, loops, bits...'
Drag & drop to there!
(Still haven't done any myself- have spent my 'day off' editing a film for a school - no they don't pay me for that sort of thing! I love it though, so mustn't grumble!)
Am wondering if we should call the collective Wonk Face & the track 'Egg Friday' as a tribute to the great lost pop act...
good point
I think calling ourselves Egg Friday is perhaps setting the bar a little too high, so I agree. Maybe we should be The Wonk Face then.
first mix ready
actually, rough and ready, but it's a proof of concept if nothing else.
It's now up on Adman's idisk, in the wrong directory, naturally.
nice work
I like the feel of this one, and the tremolo guitar tone is really on the money. Did you use GarageBand, hombre?
thanks
This was Acid Pro 6.
I used Native Instruments AC Box Combo for the guitar - an easier and cheaper way to have a range of tones than owning and maintaining several AC30s. It's also better for recording at night!
I'll extricate the guitar and put that up as seeds later on.
More Guitar
I decided to record chords to let people pick their own structures if they want to use the shimmering guitar.
So - elhombremaloseeds.zip file there with C, Am, F, G, Em. They are slightly noisy but it was easier to put the whole thing up and let others trim/fade as suits.
AC Box combo
I've got the AC Box too - a great bit of software. My friend had an AC 30 for years and says the software sounds the same - he always records with it when he brings his guitar around here.
Seconded!! Sounds good.
My stems are up now too... mostly around the Cmaj chord - it won't move it along, but some reasonable 'textures' there I think.
final mix already
I've just uploaded Egg Friday Omlette Mix (by Wonk Face).
The FPO was out, and I was at a loose end. So rather than eat a Fray Bentos pie, I thought I'd give it a go. Took about 2 hours to assemble.
Listened, whilst eating a pie & sounds good to me...
Did you only use the existing bits or did you add your own stuff too?
Songs from the second floor
http://virb.com/blindboyclaesson
some stems
put up some ideas, guitar noises, vocals, and some ambient noise
also included in the .RAR folder is a speech by Winston Churchill, as I occasionally put in clips of things, influenced by "The Holy Bible" in this respect
Cheers bk
Am planning to put my whole track together next week.
Egg Friday by Wonk Face (The Adman Mix)
is now 'up' on the iDisk.
2 minutes 38 seconds of sonic silliness - thanks for all the loops, seeds, stems & bits - really enjoyed putting this together!
(badger_king - apologies for not including more of your stuff, but my Mac won't open your .RAR - any tips on this for future reference... I'm assuming we'd quite like to do this again sometime - I know I would!)
EDIT:
Have also added "Egg Friday (The Adkids Mash-up)"
As I finished the track my daughter & her friend (both 5 years old) said 'Can we have a go?' and piled into the room with guitar, toy drum, toy sax, Early Learning Centre keyboard & a tambourine. My son (8) added the 'howler monkey' vocals. I hope you like it?! (Actually think they improved my version, little blighters!!)
WinRAR
Is a great little program. Don't know if you have it. It activates on the same idea as WinZIP, or the like, but works on more systems with more extension types.
You can get it for free off download.com. It's a trial version, but it seems to last forever, it just has a small annoying reminder every time you go on it. Works fine though.
Hope this works for you:
http://download.cnet.com/WinRAR/3000-2250_4-10007677.html
Isn't that Primal Scream's newest song?
Good work.
Cheers Spinoza!
God, Primal Scream - I *loved* 'Screamadelica' maybe that's what inspired my approach to the track...
more things
I have uploaded a (very basic) guitar and voice cover of Moby's "In This World", just to see what people think. I was happy with the sound of my voice. Very basic recording onto an mp3 dictaphone.
Also thought people may be interested to see the following. This was me at the beginning of May playing one of my tracks called "Slow Motion Waltz" for an evening of music at church.
Quality isn't great, but you get the idea.
See that Stuart Murdoch comparison wasn't far off!
You slightly resemble him, you sing in a similar register & you even play in churches!
'Slow Motion Waltz' - good song - nice minor chords.
Your Moby cover sounds great - is that a 12 string? Voice very strong & recording does it justice. That's a good quality recorder by the sound of it. I find it weird how I can often capture good recordings 'through the air' then when I come to do it 'properly' the spirit is lost. My only comment would be: overdubs! Assume that the listener has a short attention span, it doesn't matter how great your song is - fill in the gaps for them!!
(Am investigating WinRAR by the way - but need to get a Mac compatible version from a reputable source... for the time being I can still only access MP3s)
12 string love
Yeah, it's the same guitar on both the Moby and on the video. It's a Washburn D10 Series - D10S12 - 12 String. I had the pick up put in especially, as actual Washburn electro acoustic 12 strings were out of my price range. Only another £60 to get the pick up put in though.
http://www.giggear.co.uk/p/Washburn-D10-Series-D10S12-12-String/
And I don't just play in churches. I work for a church in Andover as a worship leader (band leader of sorts).
Said uber recording device is a fairly simple piece of kit. It is an Olympus WS-311M Digital Voice recorder. I got it for about £90 in Argos. Don't know if they still sell them or not. But they are well worth investing in.
http://www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/2581_WS-311M.htm
I did a bootleg of Portishead in Wolverhampton when I saw them last year on this little device, and with a bit of audio tweaking (compression, EQ, etc) when I got back, it actually sounds quite good considering the microphone is the size of a pencil lead.
Portishead Part 2 http://sharebee.com/9b7c50b0
Part 1 on request for legal reasons.
Blast (or maybe a mild and sickly breeze) from the past:
hopefully I've now uploaded a song from many moons ago - "The Wimp" an 80's-recorded retread of the Nowhere Man theme more-or-less but with considerably less heart.
It's from a time when jangly guitars and diminished chords were popular, and I'd grown a little weary of "worthy" subjects so it's a mite cynical and includes a snatch of something recorded previously (apologies for twisting those lyrics, Jerry, wherever you may be).
It's recorded on a Teac 4-track (originally), at least one analogue generation on from that. Myself plus a pair of acquaintances (Hi Paul and Richard) on backing vocs, analogue synths, bass, drum machine. Myself vocals, guitar, some elec piano, inarticulate yelps.....
Hope to do something with more current bits and pieces once I've located the recording software I had somewhere, finished putting the 80s synth back together, got to grips with the PC-based synth software etc. etc.
DLM 'The Wimp'
Really like the track - witty lyric, nice guitar (Dig the 'Hong Kong Garden' reference too)!
I'm getting Orange Juice, Belle & Seb, that sort of vibe... my cuppa tea, actually.
Thanks for the encouragement Adman -
it's fairly untypical of what I'd recorded before then - something not too serious with a bit more structure seemed to work better. It pre-dates Belle & Seb by quite some way: you've fingered Orange Juice correctly as they (and probably Aztec Camera) would have been among the contemporary influences.... so it is a bit of a museum piece. Will try & put something newer together soon.
I do have a liking for Belle and Sebastian, and other understated stuff - was interested to see elsewhere you liked Au Revoir Simone (missed the session myself, though).
finally...
I have uploaded the Alex Peters remix of Egg Friday by Wonk Face.
I followed a similar vibe to Adman, but it ended up just sounding like an instrumental out-take from Beck's "Odelay!" album. Oh well. That's also good.
can you check it please?
I downloaded it and it only seems to be 4 seconds long.
I downloaded it off the site
and it's the 4.8mb / 3.5 min that it is meant to be.
Try downloading it again. Maybe it didn't download properly.
Still no success on second attempt.
It is displayed on idisk as a 5Mb file, "Wonk Face Alex Peters.mp3", updated 8/16/2009.
When I download it, I get a file named "Wonk Face Alex Peters" which is 123Mb and 4 seconds long. Same file both times.
Technology, eh ? Maybe you can email me it while we find out where the problem is.
dunno?
If you have a mac, then I have further reason to hate them.
If not, then it must be a Taliban conspiracy against decent music.
Or the BPI. Same thing really.
King of the Badgers!
Have downloaded & listened to your mix. Sounds good on my shiny iMac!
Would you be into doing some more?
yeah, why not??
As I'm not doing much else tomorrow, so I may have another bash. Though this time it may end up sounding a bit more like Autchre. We'll see. I'll have a play.
Also... some more as in a fresh project?
See if we can round people up via email & get another thing on the go?
Include me in!
I like the sound of all this stuff - sharing our music and that 'upload the loops and everyone makes something out of them' project.
I'm using Ableton Live7 on a fairly old PC with a 88-key midi keyboard and an Aphex mic-pre and a lefty danelectro (yellow for superior tone).
All this is used for various different bands - a 'Lloyd Cole plays Ryan Adams' acoustic thing, a tr*ph*p outfit and an ambient/medieval/chamber/drone/folk/electronica outift that's not as stupid as it sounds
Hopefully you have the password now...
How do people feel about another shared loops/ stems project? Are people up for it? Any thoughts on starting points?
up for it - yes
i'm only just starting to play with the other one - this is good fun
i even haven't uploaded anything myself yet (tracks or stems)
a slower minor-key track next?
Sounds
good...
a suggestion
if a place is still needed for hosting these tracks...
everyone could open a soundcloud account for their tracks, and each track's player/widget could then be embedded on a blog/webpage/facebook or wherever, like so...
Icy Solstice Eye (2007) by Far Black Furlong
by the way, that's not my Wonk Face track - that's coming later - it's something else i've done that i already have on soundcloud
That sounds like a good idea...
easier for other members of the Massive to hear things.
We could still use the iDisk to share stems, etc. Then put finished stuff up here via Soundcloud?
that sounds like a plan
that sounds like a plan.
My contribution...
Here is my version of the Wonk Face track. Would have been sooner, but discovered i had somehow managed to export the mix in mono.
Andys Wonk Face by spookydirt
Houston, we.. etc
I'm finding the player isn't loading properly in Opera - sure it was ok yesterday - although it seems fine in Chrome and IE. Since I'm one of the only people left using Opera, i guess i'll have to use chrome for this :-)
Here's mine as a 'soundcloud' file!
Egg Friday (The Adman Mix) by Adman
.
.
May I make a suggestion?
To make it easier for non-musician types on here to listen, why don't you set up a MySpace site - myspace/wordmassive (say) - and allow people to upload their best-ever song (just one each) that they have recorded.
Set up an email address, 'wordmassive at whatever' with an obvious password ('wordmagazine') and give this all out for people to upload. You can get 10 songs up there, plus YouTube links.
Howzat?
Or...
A shared Soundcloud account? Or at least an account that one person controls for everyone contributing tracks?
"A shared Soundcloud account"
You've already lost me. Hence, myspace.
All you would need to do...
Is click on a link, just as you would with MySpace. And as the embedded tracks in the posts above are at Soundcloud already, it seems to make sense. Here's Adman's page.
limited track number
i think you're limited to 10 tracks with the free soundcloud account, or rather if you add any more the oldest disappears.
also, i'm pretty sure you can't share an account - if you give the password out to other people they close it down. or something.
we might be able to set up a soundcloud group. i'll investigate.
if that doens't work - these widgets work really well with wordpress sites - and they are free.
Massive group
yep, looks like groups is the way to go.
i'm happy to set it up, i just need suggestions regarding the name. i can't remember if Wonk Face is the band or Egg Tuesday is the band.
we could call the group 'Word Massive: music for and by the Word magazine forum'. (note: need help with the wording)
The Word Massive page on soundcloud
Send your tracks to this group here:
http://soundcloud.com/groups/the-word-magazine-massive
or drop your mp3 to this box here (i think that's how it works)
http://soundcloud.com/groups/the-word-magazine-massive/dropbox
if anyone want to be added as moderator, just ask
New Egg Friday
I've uploaded my latest creation of the Wonk Face variety. Somewhat different is an understatement. It is the new sound. Guardian readers would probably class it as a new form of electronic musique concrete. I call it an audio piss take.
Adman: can you clear up the page etc?
New mix is the:
Wonk Face - Egg Friday (Alex Peters Presents ROVO Mix)
You decide....
And also, for those who use last.fm, if you listen to the Wonk Face mixes with the artist as Wonk Face, you may be pleasantly surprised.
Pro tools/MBOX/Imac/Mackie HR624 MK2
Guilty as Charged.
http://www.myspace.com/hrtoad
iDisk
Hello all -
I am closing public access to the iDisk.
I will leave it open for a week - so download anything you want before I close it.
Personal reasons. Hope you understand.
All the best.
thanks for offering the service
all the best
e h m
thanks!
thanks for setting that up - i don't see how we could've done it otherwise
You know what?
Scrub that! I was in a bad mood.
Carry on sharing!!!
Who wants to suggest another project?
Andrew - do you want to kick off with a slow minor key thing?
I want to carry on - it's rare enough to meet like minded people, without throwing it away.
MY iDISK REMAINS OPEN TO THE MASSIVE!!
Minor-key thing!
i'll be busy today with my first experiments with pickling onions, but tommorrow i have a day off and will make some loops in a minor key and upload 'em. in 'd' minor, i think. the saddest key.
i think they're digging up my road this coming week, so there might be samples of drills, etc.
Good stuff!
Might take me a while to respond, but I will put some stuff on the iDisk too & then we can mix at our leisure!
Nice one.
PS - My 'soundcloud' account appears to have gone down, but I'll try to rectify that asap.
Soundcloud
don't forget folks, if you upload your track to soundcloud you can embed the file in the forum - and also join the word massive soundcloud page here:
http://soundcloud.com/groups/the-word-magazine-massive (once you have joined there is a 'add track to group' button on your track somewhere)
and it is now moderated, so those pesky techno people don't try taking over!
New track stems/loops uploading now
I'm currently uploading:
piano
double bass
synth (played on ImpOSCar)
drum loop
the sound of the road under my window being re-surfaced
(The re-surfacing is almost in time with the 90bpm tempo)
If anyone has suggestions for the name for this track? (folder might need to be renamed)
Great!
Probably won't get a chance to listen / contribute until the weekend. Looking forward to checking it out.
Edit - hi Andrew, had a listen - sounds good - will try to upload a few 'responses' tomorrow... the piano is especially effective & moody!
has the prject died?
it all seems to have gone quiet, though, doesn't it?
just downloading stems
If I have time will do some of my own, but I have a busy week so it might not be for a while.
But it will happen.
Stems on idisk
and anything resulting to Soundcloud - is that the general idea?
Yes...
Use stuff as you wish, I'll put some stems up today...
Good that people are checking in!
Excellent!
:-)
My stuff is up there now...
Might be a while before I start building a track - am looking forward to hearing stuff from others.
My track:
Resurfacing by Adman
I like that!
That's rather good, that. right I need to get working on my version now...
mp3
can we get the mp3 of that from somewhere?
And I've tried joining soundcloud, but it won't let me in, so I've abandoned that idea.
Have put the mp3 on my iDisk
Will upload your stuff via my Soundcloud account. (Take a look at the other thread later!)
need an invite?
i think you might need an invite to join soundcloud , forgot about that!
if you send me your email as a private message, i'll get an invite sent out to you - i've got 10 spare to give away
I joint Soundcloud yesterday
after downloading the stems from Adman's iDisk (I WILL do this one!), didn't need inviting, just an email account and a password. Could you be trying to use an invalid username?
more stems?
anyone else contributing stems/loop for this one?
Bad Geography
I willvtry to do some over the next couple of nights - been away / busy!
HALT!!
Before finishing your next wonk face mixes, please download my contributions. Sorry they took so long. Have been busy at work.
So, to make up for tardiness, there are 18 clips, of more random instrumentation.
:- Agago, Melodica, 12 string, keyboard strings, distorted vibes, conga, and a piano riff, also distorted
Hope they help.
thanks badger_king!
i know what i'm doing this evening now!
Hey b_k
Will take a listen & incorporate in my track at the weekend!
Nice one...
Brief American History (Alex Peters Freemix)
A more political variant of the Wonk Face project.
Is now on Soundcloud here:
http://soundcloud.com/radiohewad/brief-american-history-alex-peters-free...
Brief American History (Alex Peters Freemix) by radiohewad
Also trying to upload to the iDisk.
Good fun this time.
Naice!!!!
Enjoyed it b_k - esp the intro...
Sorry I'm a bit late (again)
Return of The Wonk Face [Stringy Vibe Mix] by spookydirt
Has something
of the Bond theme about it...
(Which is a compliment...)
Super-cool.
thanks! it's the strings...
... isn't it? or is it your clav part slowed down to make it go 'twang'?
i like it a lot more now than i did when i uploaded it, it was getting on my nerves
The strings, I think...
but I'm hopeless at analysing stuff...
Just do it all by 'feel' y'know?
If you spend too long on something it can get to you can't it?
That's why this is good - just post it & forget about it for a bit!
if you get too close...
... you can't always see what the whole is, it's very easy to ruin a piece by spending too much time on something and making it too complicated, done that *so* many times. this is one reason why working with someone else is a good idea - they can tell you when to stop EQ-ing the hi-hat and come down the pub...
sometimes unlimited number of digital tracks is beaten by a 4-track portastudio (do they still make them?).
also
if you're Scott Walker, you need someone else to punch meat for you
of course you do
you can't go doing complicated stuff like that one your own - need to get the pro's in.
just the other month i needed the sound of a cluster of baby hedgehogs dropping onto a pile of bubble-wrap, so i phoned the agency and they sent a couple of guys around. turns out they'd done it before (Leo Sayer, Boston, all the greats) so i had it all down on tape in about 25 minutes.
Stop EQ-ing the hi-hat...
...and get the beers in!
(The happiest sound in music...)
oo i like this - the whole thing
The Word Magazine Massive
when i say
'the whole thing' i mean 'all of the tracks on soundcloud', of course.
i have some stuff up
on here: http://www.reverbnation.com/helvatones
i'll see if i can put some up on the word thing!
downloaded them all...
I make it 10 tracks by the Massive so far
An albums worth!
Shuffle and roll!
Andy's Wonk Face
Brief American History (Alex Peters Freemix)
Egg Friday (Alex Peters Presents ROVO Remix)
Egg Friday (Alex Peters Remix)
Egg Friday (Omlette Mix)
Egg Friday (The Adkids Mash-Up)
Egg Friday (The Adman Mix)
elhombremalo Wonky Face Mix 1
Resurfacing
Return Of The Wonk Face (Stringy Vibes Mix)
An idea for next project
Ok, call me mad, but I've recorded some drum tracks. It would be interesting to see what you can all do with them. I must warn you, they do change time as not done to a click track.
Done in a late period Scott Walker style. i.e. weird. Would be cool to see how the massive interprets the tracks and makes them individual.
Have put on iDisk. Delete them if you think its a terrible idea.
Consequently, it needs a tidy up Adman, if you have the time.
new project?
what sort of key/tempo shall we go for this time?
and
what shall we call it?
Wonk Face
is a good name for the collaboration
and for a song name, what about "Eloping With The Antelope"?
Dunno about tempo and stuff. Could we try something freeer? More avant-garde in a free-jazz / Autechre stylee?
avant
garde you say?
sounds good - no idea what it means, but i'll give it a go
to paraphrase the Mighty Boosh
"The Word Massive are currently working on their third album. Experimental stuff. Eno is producing."
A mish mash in musical controversy or hidden beauty? I, for one, am excited by the thought of what trinkets you may bless me to bolster the drums with.
"Avant garde
is French, for bullsh*t." John Lennon.
:-)
not
the way we're going to do it, it isn't
Good.
I didn't think it would be for a minute.
(Opinions of J.Lennon may differ from my own.)
Looking forward to hearing some...
i'd better
get to work making some sounds, then.
i'm wondering if i should play sax? (not jazz, though, cos i can't do it)
i will add files
either today or tomorrow - getting over chest infection/cold/flu/plague, not good idea to play sax with all those germs - i will send some new stems/loops for the project.
nice
not the flu, though, obviously
hope you feel better soon, chap
B_k
Would like to apologise if I came across as rude over on the religion thread. Very sorry - hope it won't sour our collaboration, which I value.
Andrew
Might be a tech hitch with iDisk
if you can't get in give me a couple of days to mend it!!
I've organised it like this:
I might sit this one out - am ill / overworked!
Will see how it goes.
Nice idea, though!
You should be able to access the
iDisk now - same password.
Files have disappeared - so upload anything you wish to share again.
Any probs let me know here.
All the best
Adman
:-)
iDisk problems?
we could always have a drop.io page for the massive - ideal for sharing projects a bit like this, so i hear.
if there are any votes in favour, i'll set one up
Sounds like a good idea to me...
But it's gone very quiet on this thread!
died?
I thought everyone had given up - looks like i was wrong
I have a suspicion
it might just be the 3 of us (and possibly elhombremalo) still interested
so do we continue?
this would be a good time to call time?
or do we soldier on?
Let's rest it.
If anyone is inspired at a future point they can start a new thread.
It was fun.
Amen
So be it.
Thanks gents.
it's been a pleasure
that was fun, i will try to keep the Techno people out of the soundcloud page so the tunes will live on...
without thinking
when being told this morning that there would be a delivery of eggs to our house tomorrow, I casually wrote down "Eggs Friday" on my list of things to do
FACT
Eggcellent...
(Ow, sorry... terrible yolk...)
This is the end..
Ladies and Gentlemen, Egg Friday/Wonk Face/The Word Massive have left the building.
Most of the tracks can be heard on the player below:
The Word Magazine Massive