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burning software advice sought

Junior Wells's picture

I currently have Nero 7 installed. There is a bug that I habve had great difficulty eliminating. In researching, others said that in addition to the bug the software chews up a lot of memory running unnecessary files or whatever.

So sod it - time for a new program.

All I want to do is burn discs and make compilations.For more fancy stuff i use audacity et al.

So any suggestions for something reliable and doesn't have a whole lot of unnecessary stuff to slow my PC down?

many thanks

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Nero 7 works fine for me

So I've not tried much else.

I have used Ashampoo Media Player which works pretty well.

What media player do you use ? Most of them have the ability to burn

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el hombre malo | 14 November 2009 - 10:59pm

I agree that

Nero is very buggy. It was always freezing and crashing when I was using it. Try Roxio. I've found it to be much better.

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Johan | 14 November 2009 - 11:20pm

iTunes

Why bother making matters more complicated?

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Neil Dyson | 14 November 2009 - 11:35pm

No verification

The best reason for not using iTunes for burning is that it doesn't have a verification option and I would never (again) burn a CD or DVD without verification switched on.

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JohnW | 15 November 2009 - 8:15am

What do you mean

by verification? I use iTunes and have never has an issue - just wonder what I am missing!

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Andrew2 | 15 November 2009 - 12:22pm

iTunes

Mark me down as another iTunes fan. Very easy to use, and great for organising my music. Never encountered any problems with it, either.

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Andrew F | 15 November 2009 - 2:46pm

Verification

Two points:

1. It takes as long to verify a disc using Nero as it does to burn a disc on iTunes.

2. Blank CD's can be bought for as little as 11p each.

Is verification such a big issue?

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Neil Dyson | 15 November 2009 - 2:42pm

It's the cost of the data

The cost of a blank CD is indeed about 11 pence but the cost of a full CD is the cost of the data on it.
If you're burning a CD to play in the car or similar then you probably don't need to verify it but if you're burning a CD or DVD for archive or backup purposes and you're not going to know if the write was 100% successful until months or even years later then spending a bit more time verifying that what you thought you put on the disc is actually there. Just looking at the contents in explorer doesn't mean that the file is actually all there and readable. I burn lots of CDs at work and quite a few at home always on branded discs and you might be surprised at the number of times that verification fails. If it does then the disc goes in the bin and I get out another 11p blank.
I have never gone back to a disc that was verified and had a problem with it but I have had problems with discs burnt before I realised how essential verification is.

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JohnW | 15 November 2009 - 5:11pm

Good Point

but as I am usually burning CDs "for the car" = will happily stay with iTunes. I canr recall a time when the data was not there

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Andrew2 | 15 November 2009 - 9:04pm

The Guv'nor of burning software

is EAC or Exact Audio Copy.
It's a bit fiddly at first but it does what it says and it's free.

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Carl Parker | 14 November 2009 - 11:57pm

Try something free

I've used Nero since version 3 and I prefer it to Roxio and before that Adaptec but if you've got problems I can understand why you want to move on. Now that Windows has burning facilities built into it (since XP) I don't know how much any add on application makes use of them. It may be a basic Windows problem you're having so before you buy something new I think I'd try something free. CD Burning XP Pro (http://cdburnerxp.se/) is excellent and is anyone familiar with Roxio will be at home with it. I would expect, if it works that you wouldn't look any further but at least it won't cost anything trying.

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JohnW | 15 November 2009 - 7:19am

I've used Nero since it was very small.

I'm currently running Nero 8, as nothing in any of the later versions has enticed me to upgrade. In my experience, the thing that causes the most problems with burning software is having more than one sort installed. Even if you've 'uninstalled' the alternatives, some burning software still misbahaves. In this repect, the worst offender is, or was a little while ago, Roxio.

I gave up using Roxio on another PC (upon which it had already been installed) due to endless problems, and reverted to EAC, which is pretty much all you really need anyway. The Roxio software was particularly good at mucking about with settings in the OS that affected the way drives behaved on disc insertions. It is a strict no no for an application to make machine level changes which affect operations that do no involve its own use. It had to go.

Part of the problem for Windows machines is the crappy way the low level software (ASPI layer etc) in the OS has evolved, and if you want a single software suite solution, ideally you need a PC that has had NO burning software added to it from which to start. If you start with a blank canvas, Nero is, in my opinion, the best overall commercial package, and the least likely to mess up.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 15 November 2009 - 10:06am

As a fellow Nero 7 user...

...I sympathise with your problem. You may find that you need to disable Nero Scout - worked for me.

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Paolo Meccano | 15 November 2009 - 10:08am

Ah, yes, well remembered.

I have also sent that little scamp packing; it's been so long since I cut off its woggle and told it to stick its bob-a-job bollocks that I'd forgotten it existed. I won't have anything running that I haven't asked to run.

Nero is not alone in assuming that you'd rather waste memory and processor cycles continually in order to avoid having to use the Start menu once in a while.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 15 November 2009 - 6:07pm

nero scout

thanks folks
nero scout is , I am led to believe , the culprit for this persistent error message that pops EVERY FEW FLIPPING SECONDS. I have followed the instructions , posted on some sites to remove but the system wont let me do it ,telling me it is part of the operating system.

Removed and reinstalled nero 7 but problem persists hence my inclination for radical surgery by excising the whole program. Any suggestions on partial surgey i.e. removing nero scout would be appreciated.

Thanks for the other advice. I have Roxio on another machine, Nero 7 came with a new burner.

Never used itunes as a burner - may give it a go but would prefer nero sans scout.Itunes has always struck me as an MP3 environment.

Also have eac - tended to use it for downloading concerts I have recorded but may give it a try again.... cheers

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Junior Wells | 15 November 2009 - 9:56pm

I got rid of Nero Scout a while ago.....

.....can't remember how I did it but it must've been simple if I could do it.

Have you tried here -

http://www.nero.com/eng/support-faq.html?s=sub&t=Scout

Good luck!

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bigsteviecook | 15 November 2009 - 10:17pm
el hombre malo | 15 November 2009 - 10:19pm

I use

Ashampoo Burning studio 6.....Free and a piece of cake to use.

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Doug B | 15 November 2009 - 2:38pm

thanks again

will see how I go using those links on descouting nero

if not then will try some others

It is 9.53 am on Monday so ....whispers....I'm at work and the offending program is at home . Will let you know how I go.

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Junior Wells | 15 November 2009 - 10:53pm

CDs for backing up stuff..

A bit dated now? Given the limited storage capacity of the shiny disc, wouldn't a datakey be a better plan? All my stuff of any import is stored remotely, on a 8GB key or on my laptop. Plus, of course, the iPod. Other people elsewhere who have enormous video files like remote hard-drives.

Actually, thinking about it, why would you want to stick anything on a CD? Most car stereos have USB ports now or somewhere to plug in an MP3 player. And, if you don't have such a bit of ICE kit, go buy one. Cheaply.

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Lenny Law | 15 November 2009 - 11:23pm

my reasons are as follows

I use apple lossless- I prefer to avoid MP3

Yes I can play the ipod in the car. I dont play music from a digital storage.There are of course other purposes for copying a cd other than as backup or as a duplicate for the car - let's be real about this

Yes my house is full of cd's , lps and tapes. The notion of buying stuff on a memory stick while convenient fills me with no joy.Vale Roger Dean art work and othrs of his ilk- vale sitting their comfortably reading the lyrics or production credits -not that you can read em on a CD cover such is the font.

Yes- I'm old school.

There are of course other purposes for copying a cd other than as backup or as a duplicate for the car - let's be real about this.

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Junior Wells | 16 November 2009 - 12:34am

Brave man

You're a very brave man to risk your data to a flash stick. I would much rather use a CD or DVD.

There are two good reasons for using CDs. One is if you want to distribute any software you've written - it's rare to need to need the capacity of a DVD. The second is so that you can listen to decent music in a hire car. Although I had one last week with not only a CD player that played MP3s but also an ipod dock, most hire cars don't have an auxillary socket or DAB or play MP3 CDs.

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JohnW | 16 November 2009 - 7:09am

Try Burrrn or CDburnerXP

Both free and at least as good as Nero. Burrrn can handle FLAC files etc without a blip. Both can do gapless CDs.

http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=4

http://cdburnerxp.se/

As for Nero, anything after version 6 has been slated for being w-a-a-a-y too buggy. Roxio after version 7 is apparently best forgotten.

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kinkywolfgang | 15 November 2009 - 11:44pm

noted

links and comments

thanks kinky- and to others as well

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Junior Wells | 16 November 2009 - 12:35am

Sorry, but

it's all too easy for those who haven't actually used the software to repeat-until-it's-become-accepted-truth some reviewer's bad experience of the stuff.

I've had virtually every piece of burning software installed at some point in time, on all sorts of OS, and using machines of all sorts of levels of sophistication.

I have never had any issue with Nero 4 or with Nero 8. I can't comment on any other versions, I haven't used them myself.

Issuing a fatwah against any Nero after version 6 is nonsense.

PS If you want to make image copies of discs, either CD or DVD, even those with er, 'difficult' formats, I can recommend Alcohol 120%.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 16 November 2009 - 7:54pm

as mentioned above, there's lots of free stuff....

....you should probably try, but since you mentioned it's a PC and I'll make a huge assumption it's Windows, Windows Media Player can burn discs for the car too, whether you want data or audio. If you're on WMP 10 or 11 it has been pretty good for a while.

It might also depend more on what you are burning (presumably music) and how it was ripped onto the computer (encoded in iTunes AAC, WMP WMA, MP3, other). If it were me I'd probably go path of least resistance (iTunes for AAC rips, WMP for WMA rips, anything you like for MP3), but there are bound to be tools that can cover more combinations.

< EDIT - Just noticed your later comment about using AAC lossless - definitely investigate iTunes features then. I'm using WMA lossless and WMP for the same reasons >

I'm also using an old OEM freebie of Roxio (v2 I believe) that came with a disc drive, and it persistently throws driver error messages under Vista but it still works. Unfortunately the default settings means my data discs (Word podcasts and the like) don't play in the car system, but the same data discs written by WMP are fine.

I also have iTunes for my son's Nano, which in turn brings in QuickTime, which is just another set of software to keep updated and patched....

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Harold Holt | 16 November 2009 - 4:25am

thanks mr Prime Minister

too many programs all fighting for primacy, all taking up disc space ,all using up memory, all with their own quirks and user requirements

what we need is a planned economy with a soviet built industrial stregth burner - limited choices, bog ugly but never breaks down and easy to use....maybe

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Junior Wells | 16 November 2009 - 5:22am

Hooooweee

That's comm'nism boy (please insert Dr Strangelove accent). Or am I thinking about the NHS....

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Harold Holt | 16 November 2009 - 6:52am
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