Bummers and Stunners

What is it with our favourite artists? In a catalogue of sheer quality there is always a piece of drivel. Elvis Costello has albums of the quality of This Years Model, King of America, Imperial Bedroom and then releases Goodbye Cruel World. Richard Thompson has Shoot out the Lights, Daring Adventures, Mock Tudor and then gives us Mirror Blue and You me us.Steely Dan - brilliance until Aja - this one I know will throw the cat amongst the pidgeons but their earlier stuff was exciting, daring and surprising - this one was just Formulaic. Are there any artists out there that have been consistently brilliant over anything more than a 3-4 album period? They all eventually return to form but why the drop in quality? Is it a mood thing, choice of wrong producer, wrong arrangements. Dont get me wrong even the duds have some redeeming songs such as Love Field on Goodbye Cruel World and Beeswing on Mirror Blue. Tell me someone who hasnt suffered this malaise.

Nick Cave

Nick Cave - no duff albums in a solo career spanning about 25 years - surely a unique level of consistency?

Kate Bush albums are rare events but consistently good.

Others who usually deliver the goods - Tom Waits; Leonard Cohen.

Stephen G | 26 March 2008 - 3:09pm

You, Me, Us?

Give this one another go if you haven't played it in a while. I did a few months ago and was surprised to find how much it has grown on me. Opinion seems to be divided between those (including me) who prefer the electric disc, 'Voltage Enhanced', and those who go for the acoustic 'Nude' disc.
It's probably the most Froomious of the several CDs resulting from RT's long dalliance with that particular producer but many of the songs are great.

Gatz | 26 March 2008 - 3:46pm

I don't believe...

...Van Morrison does REALLY bad albums, but the problem with Van is that there's an element of sameness to them, and through the 90s he churned out a fair amount of uninspired releases ('Too Long In Exile', 'How Long Has This Been Going On', 'The Healing Game'). Some might find that sameness worse than, say, the worst albums by Neil Young and Bob Dylan.

I personally enjoyed every album Led Zeppelin put out- even 'Presence' and 'In Through The Out Door' are pretty good albums, I think. If '...Out Door' had lost 'South Bound Saurez' and 'Hot Dog' and been replaced by songs from those sessions, 'Ozone Baby' and 'Wearing And Tearing', from 'Coda' it would be a hell of a lot better regarded. Compare those albums to the worst of their contemporaries (although I do have problems with calling Zeppelin just 'heavy rock') like Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep, there's simply no contest!

Love almost everything The Beatles put out, personally; 'Let It Be' is my least favourite but then 'Abbey Road' was recorded after it and that's my favourite of the lot. 'Let It Be' still has some blinding songs on it too.

JJ | 26 March 2008 - 4:31pm

Hot Dog?!?!

I won't have a word said against that one. It's a fun track and absolutely in keeping with Zep's tendency to confuse and confound people - and incredibly catchy - I feel good just thinking about it. I agree that a place should have been found for Wearing and Tearing, but I am not sure what I would bump to make room for it.

earlgreyjnr | 27 March 2008 - 9:42pm

I think it is probably the conflict....

...between their "muse" and their accountant, plus or minus the record company telling them how good they are (aka hurry up!)
Richard Thompson, however his mythical God like qualities (undoubtedly) are, has never managed one completely good record. I can think of few who have, and the proportion has become less as 80 minute CDs have become the norm, over a 40minute LP.

Retropath2 | 26 March 2008 - 4:49pm

I could rise to the bait

of the Richard Thompson troll but will resist.
Go on then; tell us the few 'completely good' records you can think of. You know you want to.

Gatz | 26 March 2008 - 5:11pm

Richard Thompson troll?????

I have been called many things.....
Funnily enough, I had always thought myself one of his staunchest supporters, having seen him with Linda 2 or 3 times when they were an item, and then roughly once every 18/12 or so, solo and with band(s). (So, yes, I have missed some tours) I have also at least some of the songs from each and every proper release, often the whole CD (or LP), plus the odd bootleg, official or otherwise. But I am not blinkered to the degree of thinking everything that flows from him is gold. There are clunkers and there are stereotypical repeats scattered across his output. Stil will defend him to the last.
The bait? I will twist the concept and respond with The World is a wonderful Place, the (2nd) RT tribute record, which is all good and all, give or take a Marvin Etzioni co-credit, trainspotters, by yer man, even if performed, very well, by others.
In lieu of taking offence, mine is (another) large Laphroaig.

Retropath2 | 26 March 2008 - 6:42pm

I am much the same as you in this regard...

I've seen RT 20 times or so, have most of his records, think of him as one of the finest musicians and songwriters ever to draw breath. But no one in their right mind would say that 'Fast Food' is a good song.

Patrick Crowther | 26 March 2008 - 8:30pm

'Troll' in the internet sense,

Retro, no offence intended!

Gatz | 27 March 2008 - 9:33am

None taken

Well, not much, ;-)
(Intrigued: are you indeed Sten Gatz, the famed ukranian saxophonist?)

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 9:37am

Nope ...

... never even heard of him (my loss I assume). It's a nod to a favourite book - in The Great Gatsby the eponymous character was called Jay Gatz before he re-invented himself. I liked the idea of choosing the name which he had tried so hard to escape.
(I'm sure you wouldn't find this level of exegesis on the Q website).

Gatz | 27 March 2008 - 12:46pm

Oh, hang on -

I've just got that. Took me 3 hours but I made it in the end.

Gatz | 27 March 2008 - 3:25pm

;-)

Sorry......................

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 3:52pm

Bummer - Rufus

Bummer - Rufus Wainwright
Stunner - Johnny Morris

Liam Hatchet | 26 March 2008 - 6:54pm

A record that is all good

"Moondance" by Van Morrison.
That's about it.

David Hepworth | 26 March 2008 - 7:46pm

and..

Born To Run
Aja
Solid Air

Plenty more where those came from I'm sure.

Indus | 26 March 2008 - 8:38pm

'The Band'....

by The Band, I reckon.

Patrick Crowther | 26 March 2008 - 8:40pm

And ...

Joni Mitchell's 'Hejiera'.

Her run of albums from 'Ladies of the Canyon' up to 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter' is fairly flawless progression. I even have a soft spot for 'Mingus'. Although God knows what happened after that.

StevenC | 26 March 2008 - 9:19pm

The 1980s happened...

she was cast adrift in a sea of hairspray, bad eyeliner and shoulder pads.

Patrick Crowther | 26 March 2008 - 9:20pm

You're right ...

the 'Shadows & Light' video always raises a smile!

StevenC | 26 March 2008 - 9:24pm

Heh heh...

I really meant that the values of that decade didn't sit well with her. But now I think about it, she did fall victim to the fashion crimes of that era too!

Patrick Crowther | 26 March 2008 - 9:32pm

Oops

I'm revealing my shallower side!

StevenC | 26 March 2008 - 11:12pm

To go back to the blog

Isn't it often about when they split - if we're talking bands? The Smiths for example, no bad albums. Solo acts are clearly different. To be blunt, perhaps if they die young - eg Nick Drake? Otherwise their judgement just seems to go - is it arrogance, losing touch with reality, too many sycophants with no one daring to speak out?

Sven | 26 March 2008 - 8:36pm

Is there any topic Randy Newman hasn't nailed?

"I have nothing left to say
But I'm going to say it anyway
Thirty years upon a stage
And now I hear the people say
Why won't he go away?

I pass the houses of the dead
They're calling me to join their group
But I stagger on instead
Dear God, Sweet God
Protect me from the truth

I have a family to support
But surely, that is no excuse
I've nothing further to report
Time you spend with me
Is time you lose

I always thought that I would know
When it was time to quit
That when I lost a step or two or three or four or five
I'd notice it
Now that I've arrived here safely
I find my talent is gone
Why do I go on and on and on and on and on
And on and on and on and on and on

When will I end this bitter game?
When will I end this cruel charade?
Everything I write all sounds the same
Each record that I'm making
Sounds like a record that I made
Just not as good!"

StevenC | 26 March 2008 - 9:21pm

Apposite, I think the word is

Well chosen, sir!

johnsey | 27 March 2008 - 9:26am

Is there a finer lyricist than Randy Newman...

who hasn't already shuffled off this mortal coil? Methinks not.

Brilliant.

Patrick Crowther | 27 March 2008 - 9:35am

Irving Berlin?

Cole Porter?

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 9:38am

They've shuffled...

..haven't they?

David Hepworth | 27 March 2008 - 9:39am

That's why I said...

"who hasn't already shuffled off this mortal coil"

Patrick Crowther | 27 March 2008 - 9:39am

Missed that bit...

Hey ho.

Retropath2 | 28 March 2008 - 8:22am

'Night and Day'...

is one of the towering achievements of 20th century culture.

But then you probably knew that already.

Patrick Crowther | 29 March 2008 - 10:40am

the lyrics are funny and...

...the music is even funnier. I believe it is a parody of a Don Was production of the Stones. You don't need to know that but it certainly drives the message home if you do.

Randy is the greatest.

earlgreyjnr | 27 March 2008 - 9:39pm

I nominate Randy Newman

He has hardly put a foot wrong, great lyrics, pretty good on the old johanna, acerbic, funny, accesible, relevant. What´s not to like?

On The Fence | 30 March 2008 - 6:52pm

Bad albums = no bad thing

Is it necessarily a bad thing that artists are inconsistent? For example, Neil Young's canon is frankly all over the place, good, bad, indifferent, and sublime, but isn't that part of his appeal. I am sure that if he'd just chugged along putting out Goldrush clones for his entire career, he simply wouldn't be the artist he is today. Wheras The Smiths on the other hand had to split when they did - you can't just keep re-hashing the same record (well you can, but then you turn into Quo or suchlike).

Avidfan | 28 March 2008 - 11:50am

Lyle Lovett

Road to Ensenada -No Duff tracks Here. Thought "My Baby Don't Tolerate" wasn't very Good
Good To see Richard Thompson get a Mention.Been a while.

paul beard | 26 March 2008 - 10:41pm

The Blue Nile have the answer

Put an album out every 7 years. No clinkers in their catalogue.

johnsey | 27 March 2008 - 8:42am

Clinkers?

Good? Maybe. But eversoeverso boring...............

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 8:51am

Not for the first time we part company there, Retro

There's nothing I like more than a bit of painstakingly crafted, synth-based Scots miserabilism

johnsey | 27 March 2008 - 9:30am

i've tried, Johnsey,

Believe me, I've tried. I just can't get there, despite being a painstakingly crafted scots miserabilist myself. (Uncertain about the synth basis, however, you'd have to ask my ma.)

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 9:40am

I am with Retro on this

RT is a god - brilliant live and brilliant on record although do concur that the odd clunker gets through. He should immediately go into the Rock and Roll hall of fame.
Blue Nile - okay they're good but the infrequency of their releases should not be reason to venerate them as a special deity. One release every 7 years may mean they struggle with their craft rather than perfect it.

Artists who do have a consistently high quality are Eels, Wilco,Alison Krauss and Lucinda Williams.

Steve Turner | 27 March 2008 - 1:49pm

Comes with the territory

I think it is inevitable that real 24 carat gold fabbo artists get it wrong occasionally - I bow to noone in my admiration for RT, and also Little Feat, Steely Dan, Van the Man, the mighty Tull, even the Beatles etc etc name your personal faves - I love the fact that occasionally they overreach, get over ambitious or knackered, demoralised or otherwise take their eye off the ball and fuck up. This is why the vast majority of their work is so good - because some of it is below standard. I'd rather an 85% brilliant catalogue with 15% cluncker than 100% mediocrity.

Twangothan | 27 March 2008 - 2:33pm

Tom Petty

He's the king of consistency. No-one can beat him in this respect, he has his own style and sticks to it. All of his records are good, if you like that jangly thing he does. I do.

earlgreyjnr | 27 March 2008 - 9:45pm

Yes... he has his own style...

pinched from someone whose first name is Roger and second is McGuinn!

No... I'm not really bothered by that. "Damn The Torpedoes" is a fabulous record... must listen to that again...

Patrick Crowther | 28 March 2008 - 7:42am

Roger

Well, he wasn't using his style anymore, so Petty took it over. To be fair TP's songs are distinctively his own, much more focused than McGuinn.

earlgreyjnr | 28 March 2008 - 9:19am

Talk Talk

A body of work that is consistently good? I nominate Talk Talk. They started off with superior synth fare, reached a pop pinnacle with their third album (The Colour Of Spring), and then created two remarkable albums of rambling, intense, sonic genius (that would be Spirit Of Eden and Laughing Stock). And then stopped.

Questions?

phonefreakhoney | 28 March 2008 - 2:13pm

As far as I'm concerned the

As far as I'm concerned the Pixies never made a record that was less than brilliant, and Talking Heads were universally wonderful right up to Naked and even that was just 'meh' rather than actually BAD.

Joe Muggs | 2 April 2008 - 9:09am