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Breaking News... NOTW last issue this Sunday
Posted by alf2019 on 7 July 2011 - 4:54pm.
So has people power prevailed?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jul/07/news-of-the-world-phone...
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Possibly
I guess it allows Murdoch & Co to distance themselves from the whole affair.
Or
allows them to keep Brooks in place and take the pressure off the BSkyB deal?
Probably not people power exactly
and I don't want to give too much to the apathy-nicks on the other thread but going from murdered kids to victims of terror and dead soldiers proved a little too much.
Hardly surprising given the exodus of advertisers.
Good.
But it seems that Rupe has destroyed a paper to keep the BSkyB deal afloat.
It will not surprise me if The Sun On Sunday appears soon...
But what happens to the readership?
Will News International launch another slightly less sleazy paper to take its place?
What?!!
I was wondering where this story was going but that is genuinely amazing news.
That does mean the 'last ever' issue, yeah?
Sad day for us all ... really.
May I add my thought on the closure of the NoW ... I am sad to see the News of the World disappear in such shame. Yes, much of what has been done was illegal and wrong, but the old war horse was a great newspaper and it broke many great stories and pricked many pompous balloons in politics and elsewhere (all right, including nurses and vicars) ... we are witnessing the loss of a paper that kept its close eye on celebrity twats and polical charlatans who need to be watched constantly ... Not sure who is going to be doing that now. Hardly, Word magazine, sad to say. Too much PR for my taste sometimes but then I subscribe so I am getting what I want ... except my subscribers' edition this time which has been sent to someone with my name and postal address on the other side of the world. Needs investigating ... sorry no, NoW ...
Mixed feelings
Part of me is very happy that the NotW will be no more. On the other hand -
- I imagine that many of those implicated in the phone hacking no longer have anything to do with the paper
- Many people untainted with the scandal may be affected. Not everyone whose job may be at risk (and I've not seen anything about potential job losses, I'm speculating that closing the UK's biggest circulation newspaper will not be without impact) is a phone-hacking journalist. People from distributors through to ancillary staff and those who clean the offices could be affected. Thus:
- I would much rather have seen the blocking of Sky's proposed BSkyB takeover, which would have hit Mr Murdoch in both pocket and reputation (business reputation, not sure if he has any other) rather than this closure which seems like a diversionary tactic.
Rebekah still has a job
Not that I think many jobs will actually go, they'll be channeled into a Sunday Sun.
What's she got on Murdoch I wonder?
The Sunday Sun
is in Newcastle.
The Sun on Sunday dots co.uk and com have been registered within the last two days.
it 's not what she's got on The Digger
but Cameron.
Read the Private Eye story in their website about Murdoch trying to get rid of the harpie in January and her going to Dave to save her skin.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100095686/david-cameron-is...
This makes interesting reading. When the Torygraph turns on you, you know as a Tory PM your in the mire!
All Done...
to protect Brooks and the take over at the expense of a load of jobs. How very Murdoch.
Here it is on Sky via Yahoo ...
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/murdoch-folds-notw-over-phone-hacking-154355712...
I'm sceptical.
It's big, sure, but it's a PR stunt. Would be amazed if it actually means anything. It's just NewsCorp trying to pacify the gullible.
Oh, and...
...Guardian is reporting that that this restructure has been on the cards for some time and that the domain names sunonsunday.com and .co.uk were registered in the last week. PR stunt.
As I say: this means nothing, other than giving us an interesting insight into what Murdoch will do and who he'll sacrifice to protect Brooks (ie. a great deal, and anyone, respectively).
deleted - wrong info
Thought they were saying no layoffs but it sounds like now they are. Great rant from Prescott on R5 right now.
It's been
done to protect his more valuable tv interests, his relationships with governments of whatever colour but I would doubt anything significantly will change with the way his media empire operates. The important thing in this case is that this shouldn't stop those responsible being prosecuted and this would increasingly seem to include certain elements of the police as well. This should have a long way to run yet. Like 5C, I too would like to know what Rebekah Brooks has on Murdoch, she certainly seems to be pretty well bomb-proof.
Sunonsunday.co.uk
According to the Guardian this domain name was registered just two days ago. The evil buggers know exactly what they're doing...
You've got to hand it to the bastards
You've got to hand it to the bastards. They're clever. The brand is now contaminated, probably beyond salvage, so just ditch it. Prune the staff by making them all redundant and then reappoint the best (or cheapest) of them to the new title: Sun On Sunday, which starts with a clean slate. It's completely cynical, but it'll probably work.
they aren't that fucking smart
thousands of objections have been lodged with offcom over bskyb issue in the last week...sales of the sun have also taken a dunt..new stories breaking regarding the sheridan case in scotland, the complicity of coulson, payments to the police...
and then there is new media, a moribund political scene and a constituency that can be swiftly utilised...for good or bad...
this has plenty legs..
If I was a News International employee...
... in any of their companies I would be extremely nervous. Today has shown that the only safe one in Rupe's eyes is Rebekah Brookes.
On the other hand
if I were an executive I'd be very nervous about a load of disgruntled ex-NOTW journalists all sharpening their pencils for very revealing memoirs in the next few months
I'd be astonished...
...if they're letting anyone go who has any serious dirt. The (comparatively) innocent and clueless will suffer, as always.
I don't know
their political editor was on R4 spitting fire and apparently the woman swanned in to Wapping with her henchmen stayed 2 minutes and left. There was extreme anger left behind
But...
...hardly any of the staff from Brooks's tenure are still there, apparently.
yes, but
they've lost their jobs and in the pub tonight phones will be being used and old notebooks consulted over a drink or two.
I bet a few USB keys were filled up tonight
We can only hope!
:-)
Bob this is a big big big deal
The Screws was the Wapping cash cow. This is a huge defeat for them. They might be showing some smart footwork in trying to salvage something from it as you would expect but this is far more important than you grudgingly allow.
More - the Cameron/Brooks axis and the hatred felt for Cameron in parts of the Tory Party (as a jumped up PR creep who didn't beat Brown and let the Lib Dems in) would make this dangerous for the government EVEN WITHOUT the criminal prosecutions (possibly) and months of bad headlines (certainly) to come.
Dacre and the Mail next..... and the f***ng Metropolitan Police too I hope
Stringfellows to go bust in a week!
Don't get me wrong...
...I'd love you to be right. But this is a classic corporate rebrand, done a million times before by a million other corporations. One brand is toxic, so you kill it and wait until it's detoxified before resuming precisely the same practices under a different name, a tiny bit more carefully. Nothing institutional will change.
As I say - I really hope you're right. But I'm not optimistic.
To really get Murdoch on the run - and more importantly detoxify the whole issue of media ethics - would take far, far more political balls than anyone has shown so far with the exception of Tom Watson and Hugh Grant.
Remember - not only is Cameron in the media's pocket, so is Miliband. Neither of them has shown enough vision or bravery to really deal with the underlying issues here.
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss.
Maybe
But which brand? The NOTW may not be enough because Rebekah Brooks sits at the top of the News International brand and James Murdoch at News Corp. Neither have covered themelves in glory and the mud is attached to the wider brand. The poison may also affect the sun and could even impact the tiimes and sky, possibly rathert unfairly. Still, the drop in Sky's share price could even help Rupe in the medium term if the BSkyB deal goes through
I think they will have a rough ride for some time to come
Couldn't agree more, FG
It doesn't appear to be completely understood above, as you pointed out, the damage this causes Cameron and this Chipping Norton set.
Absolutely
This isn't Ratners or Birds Custard its the News Of The Fucking Screws. This Has Never Happened Before.
The whole hacking scandal had already got world wide media attention - it was the New York Times and Vanity Fair (and the New Statesman fair play to Hugh Grant) that properly broke this, notwithstanding Word favourite Private Eye, Peston and the Grauniad, and it might just do a huge amount of further damage.
In fact how on earth can it NOT escalate? Being blasé about this strikes me as unearned cyncism.
I worked on the fringes of the old Fleet Street in my salad days and I remember the glittering might the Murdoch press wielded. The Screws vanishing is utterly unbelievable and will undermine the newspaper group's aura and the judgement assigned to those like Cameron who are in their pockets. Much more and much worse will befall them
Much more and much worse will befall them
Heres hoping
it's ok
it's ok, none of the executives know what any of their underlings are up to apparently...
LOL
bump that!
Doesn't matter
Under Section 79 of RIPA, "ignorance" is no excuse:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/andreas-whittam-smith/...
oh I know
i was being slightly tongue in cheek.
Because of the structure of this blog my post got knocked several posts away from the one it was meant to reply to so doesn't make much sense now.
Apologies, Sam
This whole shoddy corrupt business has deadened my sense of humour, irony, and cheek/tongue detection.
Not over yet
The fact that such a large reaction came so quickly is puzzling. They seem to be falling over themselves to admit wrongdoing. In my cynical mind, I wonder if there is something much bigger we don't know about yet that they are hoping we don't get to find out?
Almost certainly
They're clever and ruthless but they are also on the run. Good.
"Holy f*ck. Killing paper to save executive ass," -
Senior News International journalist. Quote of the day.
Tonight
Jon Gaunt, Hugh Grant and Shirley Williams on Question Time.
Should be a lively, albeit slightly bumbling affair.
Brilliant - floppy fringed & lovable too?
LOL etc
Amazing
James Murdoch has, apparently, just said: "I am satisfied Rebekah Brooks neither had knowledge of nor directed" phone hacking at the News of the World, which makes her either incompetent or a liar.
(The quote is running as a news update on the front page of the BBC News website at 7.15pm but doesn't yet appear in any of the stories on the site.)
The Austin Lounge Lizards
had a line that resonates (in the Ballad of Ronald Reagan);
"he's stupid if he didn't know and crooked if he did".
Sums up the Rebekah Brooks situation rather well I think.
Rebekah Brooks
I would
Spitting image
When I saw the photo of her being driven away I saw the double of the "lady" who did the dirty on me a few years back when I was "let go" and paid to keep schtum. Further reason to hate her.
And no, I definitely wouldn't.
You can have her
Meanwhile, I wouldn't even touch her with yours.
:D
Oh no!
I've just heard the flipping awful news. Where the heck an I going to get my crusading scoops from now? You know, the likes of Cheryl getting back with Ashley or the fact that Kerry had two puddings today. Some decent people will be without jobs soon because that awful woman has considered herself above anyone else.
The floodgates are open now unless everyone in the know gets bogged down with severence packages that prevent them from talking. Is now the time for The Sunday Word..?
You know...
...between the police and the government (past and present) and their dealings with the Murdoch press I am wondering if one enormous can of worms has been prized open? Surely disgruntled ex hacks will be spilling rather a lot of beans?
And surely the BSkyB deal simply cannot go through now?
Damage limitation
I'd like you to be right G-sprocket but I'd not be putting any money on it. I refer you to my final comment on the previous thread on this saga.
Empty gesture
but clever. The brand was trashed so end it. It's just a business decision that solves more problems for Murdoch than it does for anyone else.
Not sure why anyone is celebrating this news. No one has been brought to account and all that has been achieved is more people out of work, most of whom I have no doubt were just doing their job even if the paper they did it for was politically/culturally unpalatable to those jumping up and down with glee.
A real result will only happen when the line in the sand is not drawn by Murdoch.
If NI lose the Screws
All bets are off. They have lost control of where that line gets drawn. Its not just something like the withdrawal of 'Classic Pepsi'. I do wish it was the other Millibroon at their heels though
Not sure...
as an ardent Blairite David has no doubt already payed homage at the court of St Rupert. Ed has not done any toadying so can start with a clean slate.
From the most unlikely of sources
Coulson
According to the Guardian website, Andy Coulson is going to be arrested tomorrow. Hope he doesn't do a runner.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/07/andy-coulson-arrest-phone-ha...
More trouble for Cameron, I'm hoping.
Careless whispers
from Rebekah Brooks there...
Surely she's next
This reminds me of "All the President's men". It's slowly permiating upwards. WTF was Cameron doing hiring that guy anyway.
You heard it here first
Newsnight just referred to "Rupertgate".
and the irony is
It's just started on TCM on Sky 317
I trust Rebekah is settled down with a glass of wine to watch it?
Glen Mulcaire
Had 11,000 pages of notes and more than 4,000 names for people who may have been hacked.
On a regular production schedule, that represents hacking on an industrial scale.
Mind you it's a nice sized manuscript.
I suppose that's one positive thing about him
He certainly puts the hours in.
Didn't Jim Rockford
charge $50 an hour plus expenses?
Paul McMullan
Calls it a 'sad day for freedom of expression'. He's hanging Coulson and Brooks out to dry in the plainest way possible now on Sky News.
'She's trashed the reputation of the NoTW and Rupert Murdoch should sack her.'
"Brooks had no journalism training - No 1 & 2 on the paper had no experience"
"The bosses should have seen it coming, and asked where are all these exclusives stories coming from, if not from despicable behaviour?"
To be fair
Practically all the best journalists and editors in the country have no journalism training. From Rebekah Brookes to Alan Rusbridger, they began their careers as gofers, then trainee hacks, and gradually worked their way up. (She's been with News International for over 30 years.)
It's a bit sad to have to say it, but Paul McMullan's comment reeks rather pungently of old-school Grub Street sexism - "She was just a bloody typist when she started out, you know. God knows how she got where she is. Nudge nudge."
I'm sure you're right
But McMullan is irrelevant scum who is perversely enjoying the limelight and hoping for extra trade in his pub. NI now have the law to worry about and potentially an army of angry people with old scores to settle - not appalling old ex-hacks like him
Archie, I wasn't agreeing with
McMullan's comments about journalism training. I agree it stinks of Grubb Street-ism, after all what does an NCTJ qualify you for, even with recent ethics upgrades in the provision?
However, the recent history of leadership within NI has seen the promotion of 'non-journalists' and their progress both within, Coulson & Brooks, and without, Piers Morgan, and that has been cataclysmic for the titles they are leading.*
I'm not saying an NCTJ or equivalent training is a panacea.
* you might need a non-tabloid hack to sort out punctuation in that clumsy middle sentence.
Oh for a public enquiry led by a judge
Moron would be very worried. Oh good there's going to be one
She's trashed the reputation of the NOTW
This implies that the paper had a reputation worth worrying about.
objective well informed comment coming up
rats in a barrel the lot of them. not just the NofTW: the police, the press regulators, those with political interests at stake. I'd rather follow rock'n'roll stars. They have much higher moral scuples.
Anyone interested
in a bit of the auld famine in Africa? Thought not. I ain't gonna cry over a few journos, innocent or not. Let them rot.
That's not apples with oranges
This could affect the Prime Minister and the government of the country - which WOULD be relevant to the famine in Africa. But yes by all means let them rot
Bugger
I'll have to switch to "The Sunday Sport" now...
i love
the smell of hubris in the evening...
murkier as the hours pass..
we're through the looking glass here, people
A suggestion has been made
(and in the spirit of the internet, I can't provide a source - Reuters, I think) that if NOTW (the specific business bit of News International) is liquidated, the documentation pertaining to its business can then be destroyed rather than spending creditors' money on warehousing them, if the liquidator so chooses.
Not sure how legal it is, but assuming that a)Murdoch can afford more and better lawyers than just about anybody and b)Murdoch is the smart, cunning bastard he's supposed to be, today's action might be the ultimate example of sinking the ship to save the rats.
Suggested, then refuted.
Apparently, NOTW is just a brand imprint, not a company, so it won't be liquidated. I think Reuters have pulled that story now.
Both the story and its refutation were flying around Twitter last night.
Fair enough;
On reflection, I'm surprised there aren't more conspiracy theories doing the rounds.
Calling Orwell
Too much power has been bestowed upon the press for decades to the point where the police, our protectors and servants, as well as the government whom we elect to run our country are scared to death of them.
How the fuck did that happen?
Sounds like a novel to me.
Everytime I think of Murdoch, and I try not to, I am reminded of Fry and Laurie's pastiche of It's A Wonderful Life where we see a what a world would look like without his influence.
All been said, but...
This is business, not a self-inflicted "punishment" or act of contrition, be wary of anyone who suggests otherwise in the coming days.
As for people power, I don't think anyone actually held The Paper (as an entity) responsible, and no-one would have expected it to be trashed so instantly and unceremoniously - what they want is for The People Responsible to be held accountable, and that means blocking the BSkyB deal and hauling Coulson & Brooks over the coals, if not straight to chokey.
Watch Out........
........heavily indebted Premier League football clubs the dominoes have started toppling at the front..........
Interesting thought
Interesting thought...
Very interesting article
by Peter Oborne, one of the most thoughtful of right-wing journalists:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/7075673/part_6/what-the-papers-wont-sa...
Good piece
but better to start at the beginning
http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/7075673/what-the-papers-wont-say.thtml
Thanks for the fix, Beany
Sorry for linking to the last page.
Obviously he's no more detached than anyone else
but to me Oborne is so far one of the best commentators-here he is on the relatively pro and anti NI "two wings" of the Tory party:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8626421/Phone-hacki...
Also liked John Lloyd's balanced elegy for the NOTW "Mourning the end of the Fake Sheikh" at the FT.
Did anyone catch
William Shawcross trying to defend the reputation of Murdoch on Today this morning ? That a once fine reporter and journalist who exposed Nixon and Kissinger's bombing of Camodia has been reduced to this is really shaming. But then, didn't he write some hagioigraphy of Rupe a few years back ?
Yes, I heard it
Very bad. I was trying to remember what he had done apart from what you rightly call a hagiography F B-W. Crumbs, that is a bit sad.
Politicians, Press and Police
I suggest that there's an element of our government and our press who should take up reading, specifically thrillers. Take politicians and press or press and police and you're fine, for a while at least. Mix all three into a scandal and it doesn't normally end well for any of the people involved. It's almost a cliche of the genre.
Future PMs should have that tattooed backwards on their foreheads so they can see it in the mirror each morning...
Clever move.
Eamonn Holmes voiceover:
So you were planning on boycotting the News Of The World this weekend were you? Well let me tell you what we have in the VERY LAST ISSUE EVER of this campaigning and revered newspaper.
Chantelle; my life story. Jordan; my hair nightmare. Louis; it was the NOTW that saved my life. Sharon; why I f**king hate Simon Cowell.
Buy the last issue and hand it down to your children's children. Comes with a free DVD of the best of Britain's Got Talent audition outtakes.
And now is widens
The Office of The Star is currently be raided by the police
Oh happy day
The Mail must be shredding things like theres no tomorrow
Interesting
Whose phone were they hacking for the exclusive of the bus on the moon?
Michael Stipe?
I can see the scence. The police will knock on the door. The Star staff will see uniforms and assume they are strippergrams. Hilarity ensues...
I cannot put pictures up on here...
...but that pic of Rebekah Brooks in her car looked very witch-like. Appropriate given the simultaneous mass coverage of Harry Potter. Bellatrix Lestrange anyone?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwSDPYOf3XfrusS2esKWxQp5l5fDBw9...
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRjWsQWdz8k3JtCz8ZbVCDVyxYl7DBQ...
(If someone can put them up, please do)
Done
Thank you
One of them is an evil evil
One of them is an evil evil woman who has sold her soul to an even more evil Overlord intent on world domination.
The other is Bellatrix Lestrange
And Harry Potter
is now editor of The Guardian, so it all fits together.
Nice Billy Bragg tweet
"
At least we don't have to worry about any of the NotW journalists if they're made redundant, after all we all know people on benefits get a 5 bedroom house and £50,000 a year don't we?"
now play
"it says here"
really fuckin loud!!!
A cynic writes...
Prediction
This will bring down the government. Eventually.
It will just resume under another name (web domain already registered).
Tommy Sheridan will get out. I despair.
Who buys this shit, anyway.
Incidentally, I heard Fred Macaulay on Radio Scotland asking people if they intend buying the last issue as 'collectors item'. You just know that there will be a sales spike, so the Murdochs can't really lose from this.
To be fair...
... the profits from Sunday's final edition will all be going to "good causes", so it's debatable how the Murdochs will benefit, though I'm guessing it's going to be a feelgood "168 years of glory" commemorative edition to pave the way for The Sunday Sun, rather than an apologetic ad-free-but-otherwise-normal paper, otherwise, why even bother with the final edition at all?
There's still time for more news to break on this of course, but where do we think Murdoch Jr's "So long and thanks for all the fish" apologia will go?
a) Full front page "Declaration of Principles"?
b) 50 word paragraph tucked away on page 44?
c) Won't even mention it?
On the Radio 4 news
There was a host of Armed Forces and other charities all lining up to publicly say they would not accept the money donated from this final issue. The Kidscape charity went as far as to ask everyone to donate the price of the NOTW to them instead of buying the issue.
Sheridan Should Be Released
He came to court in the original case to defend himself against evidence which had been illegally obtained and in the perjury trial he was himself perjured against by Andy Coulson. All of his claims of conspiracy against him and mis-conduct by the police and the NOTW have now been shown to be absolutely true.
Sheridan may have rather sleazy interests in his private life but none of us had any right to know that in the first place and only had this information thrust upon us by criminals.
I'm at a loss as to why he's not been released already.
In bed
I hate Murdoch and all his doings. I had respect for TS until his story came out. I still have respect and contact with some SSP members.
But two wrongs don't make a right. Sherdian was in bed with Anvar Khan while he was an MSP and she was a NoTW journo.
Like Murdcoch, Sheridan brought down the house rather than take the blame.
I hope he stays where he is for the damage he has caused to innocent, brave people, all of whom used to call him 'comrade' and regard him as a friend and leader. He was neither.
That's one thing that's
really worried me about all this, that Tommy Bloody Sheridan might wriggle out because of it.
I know, "if you've nothing nice to say...", but it's him and he's been an irritation in Scotland for so long. He's like a "Socialist" Jeffrey Archer, getting away with all sorts of shenanigans over and over again, really.
Anyway, just IMO etc.
No doubt
Sheridan did commit perjury. He did have a spectacularly sleazy private life, bordering on the Gerry Healy-esque. He did inflict permanent damage on the SSP and, by extension, to the ideals it represents.
All that said, had I been on the jury, I would have gone for 'not proven' - and the guilty verdict was, if I remember rightly, something like 8-6.
I suspect that he will be calculating that, in the light of events, any retrial is likely to - ahem - swing his way.
Of course, regardless of the other evidence, if a conviction fell because one of the prosecution witnesses was found to have perjured themselves giving evidence, the Crown might just decide that public interest was not served by a re-trial.
"The News Of The World": what a great title
I don't mean the tawdry gossip rag about spit-roasting footballers and bed-hopping slebs, I mean the actual title itself, the name. It's such a great name for a newspaper. It may be a whopping five syllables long, but it has a nice rhythm to it and rolls off the tongue. It implies enormous scope and authority. "The News Of The World". If you had never seen the paper itself you might imagine it as this grand, noble journalistic institution with integrity and stature, its reporters scattered across the globe to keep their grateful readers well-informed about the stuff that really matters: "The News Of The World". What a waste of a great name.
Especially in its day
Imagine the competition's apoplexy: "We just illustrate the London news and these bastards are covering the whole world?"
As for the Gazetteers of Pall Mall
They must have felt rather parochial and insignificant.
And the Telegraph
How shameful to be talking about a mechanical pole with revolving arms.
Edit there are so many obvious jokes there I rather wish I'd chosen another ancient newspaper...
Call me cynical...
But I listened to the PMs statement early this morning. I may have gotten this wrong (and if I do, it's because it was 403 am my time):
The Inquiries would seem to have quite a wide remit. My interpretation of it was that it's not just NewsCorp in the frame.
This is where my cynicism jumped in: is he trying to throw them some bones? Give them the "see? Not just us!" defense card?
It's not to say that the remit shouldn't be wide, but I question the motivation. I think this could get very very messy.
Good
They've all been at it. They all deserve what's coming
Possible Unintended Consequences...
Both Brendan O'Neill in the Telegraph and Toby Young in the Spectator have written about why this might not be the bright glad morning that many premature grave dancers clearly hope.
Young's account of Fleet Street 'dark arts' rings true to me:
O'Neill flags up what he sees as a worrying development:
I'm inclined to agree with these views. Whilst of course the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone or that of the families of dead servicemen is deplorable, it's less clear that the drawing of boundaries by some 'higher authority' (i.e. the government) 'for our own good' will prove to be a desirable outcome. It's easy to imagine the genuine and justified outrage about this episode being used to bury 'inconvenient' stories.
Oh, and as far as errant 'celebs' are concerned, it galls me that they are being portrayed as 'victims'. Well yes, up to a point...
Nah sorry thats rubbish :-)
Power drunk journalists doing whatever they feel necessary to 'monster' somebody - anybody - to get a good story - and to terrorise our elected representatives to get commercial preference for their tax-evading Dark Lord -is not the necessary adjunct of a fearless investigative press.
Its simple criminality, and its for this criminal behaviour that the journalists and editors and probably policemen and women will be arraigned.
We do definitely need a proper privacy law and it needs to be taken out of the hands of shyster lawyers and decrepit judges. I'm with you on the celebs up to a point anyway as for some of them these dreadful stories are all the publicity they ever get and they are completely complicit in it.
But the idea that all that stands between us and fascism (assuming anything does) is a bunch of vicious biddable scumbags with zoom lens working for foreign-owned media corporations is preposterous.
I don't know about O'Neill but Toby Young will write yards of any old shite for cash as he freely admits.
Your opinion.
I'm not a Murdoch apologist but I just think people should be careful what they wish for. It's difficult to see how journalists can be prevented from doing the deplorable things they have been accused of with regard to Milly Dowler and the military families without also curbing their ability to poke their noses into other areas clearly in the public interest (not just 'of interest to the public'). Plenty of powerful people will be all too happy to see the press curtailed. All in the name of 'cleaning up Fleet Street' of course.
Of course its my opinion
But what they have been up to - and the worst of it is that it isn't even news - is nothing to do with freedom of the press.
But genuinely I do take your point - the NoW isn't the place to make it though (IMO)
This story is not about phone hacking
It's not even about a dead teenager's phone being hacked into or even those of war dead or those who died in the 7/7 attacks.
It's about the government, the opposition, the parliament and other institutions being frightened to pursue what everyone knew - that a major news organisation had been breaking the law on a grand scale and that it had corrupted parts of the police force in the process.
This story is about how all of our institutions have been corrupted by the power of one or two news organisations. I'm not (solely) on anti-Murdoch agenda.
It's about how the executors of these institutions, often elected, often sworn to uphold the law, had chosen not to pursue the true legal course of action because they feared what may become of them in the media if they did.
The cops were running scared, MPs with something to hide, however trivial, were running scared too. With no regulation, there was no check or balance on rampant corruption.
And also, we cannot excuse the fact that the Prime Minister has taken into government, and paid from the public purse, a man who has probably perjured himself in court and lied to a parliamentary committee.
The PM was also alerted to this by the newspaper which investigated it, twice. But, due to a fear of the company the man clearly still had links to, he chose to ignore it, fearing the backlash.
And finally, when media companies wields their power so utterly, spread their own unelected agenda, and push for wholesale transformation in media legislation like News Corp and the DMG have, then we become a morally bankrupt democracy. They have been allowed to do so, while breaking the law, by people scared to challenge them.
If we needed an argument for a Reithian ideal of Public Service Broadcasting, nearly 90 years since it was first conceived, then this week has conclusively proved it.
Boris Johnson said this was a conspiracy cooked up by the Guardian and the Labour Party, and many people accepted that. I didn't but, I say, shame on all of us. We're worse than Italy. And that is shameful.
This
^^^ is as good as explanation as to what this represents as anything I've read.
It's not just about the hacking - although it IS about that.
If I had up arrows to bestow, I would. This is why it is important. "Street of Shame" just got to be, well, important.
I do agree with so much of what you say but
I don't think we're worse than Italy. The way that the Berlusconi family has controlled and owned the media in Italy,including major TV channels, and the resultant political effects of that would never have been allowed to happen here.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/16/italians-berlusconi-...
We're worse than Italy
because at least in Italy it was served up as a straight fait accompli - like it or lump it.
We are worse than Italy because we still believed in the primacy of the institutions of the state being either a) capable of, or, b) having the appetite to control corruption of society by powerful organisations.
We even believed that there was a righteousness in the newspapers running corrupt MPs out of town with a figurative stale loaf around their necks.
It was all a media spectacle while the real malaise was left to fester.
Shame, shame, shame on us.
We allowed the cow towing to media institutions to be dressed up as a 'realistic approach to the realities of globalisation' and we allowed it to go unfettered. All parties have to a relationship with the Murdoch press - yes because successive governments have allowed him to control too much of the media in this country.
We even allowed this media power to be consecrated in education programmes, we teach the power of the press when we discuss the establishment of the PCC - look at David Mellor, look what they did to him. That's at the heart of teaching recent journalism history.
Shame, shame, shame.
Great summary
This is spreading so fast and so far that it might yet be the end of Cameron.
Excellent summing up Paddy
One of the best I've read in fact.
In last weeks episode...
When I read this in today's Guardian, I *heard* it voiced by the narrator of Soap.
Sir William of Bragg
edit.. kidpresentable posted it over at http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/billy-bragg-never-buy-the-sun
It is brilliant.
More sensational stuff from the most unlikely of sources