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Boxsets?
The Guardian recently did an article on boxsets, who buys them, why they buy them etc. What do Word readers think about them? The general conclusion in the Guardian was they are bought by people for people and rarely listened to more than once.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/22/rise-super-deluxe-box-set
I think the article was prompted by the boxset edition of Smile. 'Who wants x many versions of Heroes and Villains?' was the comment. I do!
Being a 38 year pld who has a deep rooted attachment to music being housed on a physical object (only ever paid for music downloads on less than 10 occasions, and not because I download illegally as I have never done that) I would love to have the funds & space to collect boxsets (and a wife who woulnd't nag me if I did buy them). But I only have 2. Judas Priest 'Metalogy' and The Faces '5 guys walk into a bar', both atypical of my tastes but for some reason I do love 'the Priest' and the box was bought for me by the lady wife. The Faces one was from a charity shop for £4 and seemed like a bargain.
Yesterday I saw a copy of a deluxe release by the Smashing Pumpkins called 'Teargarden by Kaleidyscope' that was very desireable. Big box with a William Morris type pattern all over it, similar gate fold inside, vinyl Picture disc, CD version in a slip case. All printed with various emboss effects, reflective inks, that kind of thing. Beautiful object. Although strictly speaking not a boxset of the type mentioned above as was of new song. But lovely nonethless!
http://www.amazon.com/Teargarden-Kaleidyscope-Vol-Solstice-Bare/dp/B0041...
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The faces boxset for £4.00?
That seems like a bloody good bargain to me. Was tempted to buy it last summer but the cheapest I could see it for was nigh on £40.00. I might check again. Recently I popped into a record fair in Lichfield and picked up the boxset of the complete recordings of Miles Davis and Gil Evans that was being offered for £25.00. I had the money in my pocket but was just about to go on holiday and thought it a touch extravagant. I went and did my errands, came back, picked it up, fumbled about for a few minutes and still didnt buy it. Anyone who knows me will know that it is completely out of character for me to do that. Amazon are selling same item for more than £55.00. Now I feel like a fool.
Anyway on boxsets I love them - I have around about a dozen which I guess is not a fantastic amount. Most recent was the Fela boxset - 26 cd's and 1 dvd for a measley £70.00. Money well spent even if I have only played about 9 of the cd's so far. And very good they are too!!
My personal favourite is the Richard Thompson Watching the Dark cd which included quite a bit orf rare stuff and different live versions.
A bargain yes
Although, whaddayouknow 1 of the 4 cds is a bit jumpy. Can't complain for £4 though!
Miles/Gil in Fopp
I got if for £15 the last time I was in. Might be worth checking if you're close to one.
My biggest temptation
was the 13th floor elevators complete singles box set - 45rpm singles, each one in different fluorescent plastic.
I still wish I hadn't listened to the little voice that said "sure it's nice but you don't even have a working record player".
I really like them
I don't usually pay full price for them though, most of them come down eventually. I've got The Jam 'Direction...' set, The Byrds 'There Is A Season', The Cure 'Join The Dots', Madness 'The Business', Tom Petty 'Playback', Marc Bolan 'A Wizard A True Star', the 2 recent Robyn Hitchcock sets, the Travelling Wilburys, the new Smiths one, Dylan 'Biograph' and album collections by Springsteen, Cohen and Simon&Garfunkel. I think I dip into them as much as any of the cds on my shelves, but I probably get them out for a look more often. Nice items.
Streaming
I've got quite a few box sets. I tend to buy them for the musical content rather than the packaging so I've always found the boxes a bit of a pain. I think I tend to play them far more now from the Sonos than I ever did when I had to get the CD out of the case. That's especially true for the times that the CDs don't come in normal jewel cases that would have sat along all the others on the shelf.
Good Value
I like them if they're good value. I'm not really that interested in loads of extra or "rare" tracks but when they collect a bands recorded output like The Jam's superb Direction.. set, it's a must, especially with the book detailing the discogrphy, every tour date etc.
I've also bought the Psychedelic Furs Classic Album set - 5 albums for £12 and the Simon and Garfunkel set which was in the 2 for £15 section in Tesco's a few years back. I was buying an cd for £10 as a present anyway, so an extra £5 for 5 cd's and a DVD seemed like a steal.
Fave box sets
James Brown - Star Time (90% of what you need by the great man)
The Who - Maximum R & B (not definitive, but great fun - not least because of the way it begins..)
Jake Thackray - Jake In A Box (great name, great value)
Bob Marley - Songs of Freedom (worth it for the first disc alone)
The two Nuggets boxes, the Tougher Than Tough set, the first Dylan Bootleg Series, the first Motown Hitsville set (again, not definitive but some nice obscurities). The Stones London (ie Decca)Singles Collection was brilliant.
And I used to have "Shine On", which was fun to look at but the most impractical way of having those albums imaginable.
I purchased a couple every
Christmas for about 5 years when I worked at HMV. Back then I had spare time to sit through a whole day's worth of Lou Reed.
The reality, though, is that I finally got around to listenening to them when I didn't have the time. So I dusted them down, ripped them on to the Mac and now a track will pop up randomly on shuffle.
I sold the boxsets on Amazon and ebay in the end.
We've done this before, I think
Here's just a few of mine:
Sorry for repetition
I did do a search on boxsets first but didn't look for very long. Nevermind.
Sorry
Didn't mean to sound reproachful. It gives me another chance to show mine off, anyway ;-)
Randy Newman boxset
I want that but it has been deleted and is now bloody expensive. Teaches me I should really buy something I want when it comes out rather than wait until it is too late.
I had a couple of vinyl box sets
But the only cd set I bought was Bruce Springsteen 73 - 84 from HMV for £16. Seven albums at that price was too good to pass up and I would never have bought them individually. I'm not interested in extra tracks or alternative takes, I just want the album as it was released.
I'm a sucker for a boxed set...
...and have about 30 of them - several of which are mentioned above (Star Time is a particular fave). They've almost all been acquired form Fopp or Ebay at bargain prices, as I hardly ever buy full priced stuff.
One that hasn't been mentioned that I particularly recommend is the Buffalo Springfield one - perhaps the only occasion when I've thoroughly enjoyed the subtle differences of multiple versions of the same thing.
If the truth be told, most of them haven't been played all the way through. I get bored with most people if their CDs are over an hour, so 5 hours of almost anyone is way too much.
Buffalo Springfield
I've got that too! I knew that there was something missing from my list. I agree, it's brilliant.
The unfed Buffalo
I was slightly disappointed by this set. I don't see the point of spreading all the tracks that make up the 1st album and Again through discs 1 - 3 and then providing them in order on Disc 4.
There are unofficial discs 5 and 6 out there in torrentland of studio stuff Neil, for whatever reason, missed out and live tracks that should have been part of this box:
The Missing Herd: Livestock [1CD] This is subtitled Vol 5 and is an addition to the official four-CD Springfield box set released in 2001.
01 Introduction 0:41
02 Go and Say Goodbye 2:40
03 Mr. Soul 6:27
04 Bluebird 9:18
05 Pay the Price 5:32
06 Nobody's Fool 4:11
07 My Kind of Love 4:21
08 Good Time Boy 3:32
09 For What It's Worth 3:30
10 Rock 'n' Roll Woman 4:13
11 A Child's Claim To Fame 2:36
12 Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing 4:50
13 Uno Mundo 2:32
14 For What It's Worth 3:30
15 Bluebird 12:13
16 Epilogue: On the Way Home 2:14
Tracks 1, 8, 9: Long Beach Arena, Long Beach, Calif. 5/5/68
Tracks 2 - 7: Teen and Twenty Club, Huntingdon Beach, Calif. 8/11,12/67
Tracks 10 - 15: Market Hall, Dallas 4/20/68
Track 16: Fillmore Auditorium, San Francisco 12/67
The Missing Herd: Do Not Approach Buffalo [1CD]. Vol 6 collects mostly demos, alternate takes and outtakes. Five songs are from the Monterey Pop Festival performance. Unreleased songs include Sellout, Raga 1, Road Of Plenty and Stills Boogie. There are two different nine-minute versions of Bluebird, featuring long jams.
01 Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing (demo) 3:00
02 Do I Have to Come Right Out and Say It (alt) 3:08
03 "Raga 1" (unreleased) 1:29
04 Mr. Soul (alternate take) 2:40
05 My Kind of Love (alt) 2:33
06 For What It's Worth (Smothers Brothers) 2:58
07 Down to the Wire (alt) 2:31
08 Bluebird (extended mix) 9:11
09 Sell Out (demo) 2:36
10 For What It's worth (Monterey Pop 1967) 2:57
11 Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing (Monterey Pop 1967) 3:33
12 Rock 'n' Roll Woman (Monterey Pop 1967) 4:06
13 Bluebird (Monterey Pop 1967) 4:24
14 A Child's Claim to Fame (Monterey Pop 1967) 2:00
15 Merry Go Round (alt mix) 2:07
16 Uno Mundo (alt mix) 2:06
17 49 Reasons (demo) 2:32
18 Roads of Plenty (barn rehearsals 1988) 4:22
19 Stills Boogie (barn rehearsals 1988) 3:29
20 Bluebird (extended mix, alt) 9:30
i agree...
... blame Neil for the repetition. I sold mine.
I used to buy boxsets if they contained...
...otherwise-unavailable stuff (Sound + Vision, Compact 2 Tone Story, Thirty Years of Maximum R & B, etc), but now I only buy them if they offer an exceptionally good deal.
Whoever came up with the idea for the £100 boxsets which the record companies currently seem keen to rip us off with can f*ck RIGHT off.
I have a few of them...
but I don't go for those extravagant £100+ ones with free posters, the same music on both vinyl and CD, replica ticket stubs, badges, shoe horns etc
If it's music by an artist(s) I like, all housed in one box with a half-decent price I'll go for it. Therefore, I have these:
Nuggets 1
Nuggets 2
Nuggets 3 (Children of)
San Francisco Nuggets
LA Nuggets
[yes, I like nuggets]
Girl Group's Hat Box thingy
Beatles in Mono
Bee Gees (first 3 60s albums)
Back To Mono (Phil Spector)
Big Star, Keep An Eye On The Sky
Leonard Cohen Complete Studio Albums
There's a distinction to be made between
The traditional 'bumper bargain bucket collection of tracks' set and the newer 'super deluxe reissue of an album with a scarf and a marble' sets.
The former is a useful way of catching up with an artists work, the latter seems an expensive indulgence.
Most useless boxset extra
Flicking through some descriptions of them I have seen some pretty pointless additions to bump up the contents e.g. Album art as drinks coasters and I think I did see marbles. The Pink Floyd one the Guardian showed had some really pointless (to me) derivations of the album in different audio forms.
One of the most impressive is the deluxe Spiritulised 'ladies and gentlemen, we are floating in space' with the cds packaged in silver foil envelopes ala aspirin / pills / drugs etc.
The Dark Side... 'Immersion' box
contained drinks coasters, a scarf and a bag of marbles.
Then it's clearly...
... for people who've lost their marbles.
Bought the Thin Lizzy BBC sessions box set
Which was released towards the end of last year. It is ridiculously good.
Fuzzy Warbles
is the best box set ever produced.
In 1978 I bought a wrongly
In 1978 I bought a wrongly priced boxed set of "The Complete Buddy Holly" (it only cost me £8.99 instead of the asking price of £20).I spent almost 6 hours listening to it straight through. I never played it again.
Got Some
Marc Bolan/T.Rex - 20th Century Superstar
Faces - 5 Guys Walk Into A Bar
Iron Maiden - First 10 Years (20 x 12" Singles)
Jam - Direction, Reaction, Creation
Led Zeppelin - Remasters
Ozzy Osbourne - Prince Of Darkness
Sex Pistols - Sex Box
Slade - Anthology
Factory Records - Communications 1978-92
All have been played through at least once.
Do they still get played?
Slade & Factory Records are the only two which get regularly re-visited.
Of the others, I have virtually all the tracks on other CDs so feel no need to unpack the box set
bit of a bargain
just before Christmas I saw 5 copies of 'The Beatles in Mono' or £80 in the Bedford branch of computer exchange. Mine cost £200 :-(
Still two
I spotted them only yesterday. There are still 2 in the window at that price. I was tempted.
Be wary...
That particular boxset was widely counterfeited, unsurprisingly.
In my line of sight, there's ...
Nuggets
Acid Drops, Space Dust and Flying Saucers
Anthems in Eden
King Crimson 4CD live
Police - complete works
XTC - Cloak of Many Cupboards
The Carthy Chronicles
RT
The Watersons
Sandy Denny
both Genesis Archives
Some of these are heavy going; some are a delight and get repeated listens. You can probably work out which. Which is much like the rest of my CD collection really - no distinction to be drawn.
The Guardian
being sniffy and superior, don't believe that.
Anyway, sad anti-music lover that I am, I love a good well packaged box set (thank god for Rhino). I have far too many but if I had to choose (can I have two ?), it would have to be the Beg, Scream and Shout set of 60's soul and the can you dig it 70's soul experience...Brilliant music , perfectly packaged and listened to more than once. Well worth the expense.
Love them
and am constantly tempted to buy more.
At the moment, I have
Back to Mono
Chess Box - Howlin Wolf
The Master - Marvin Gaye
Wierd Tales - Ramones
Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Pet Sounds Sessions
Byrds 'Season'
Hank Williams 'Unreleased'
Cream 'Those were the Days'
Jerry Lee 'Sun essentials'
Elektra - "forever changes'
Lee Perry 'Upsetter'
Fairport 'Live at BBC'
John Martyn 'No SAint'
Orbison - 'Soul of r n r'
RT 'Life and imes'
Beefheart - 'grow fins'
Dylan 'Biographies'
Carter Family
Dino, Nat King, Charlie Pride, Fats, Hank 111
As I say, I love them.
Off to find cheap copy of Buffalo Springfield following good reviews above.
The problem with boxsets
is that if you want to play something you have to open up the fucking box and find the CD, which always has exactly the same design on the label with a tiny number somewhere that you can hardly read. then when you put it away again you don't just slip it into its jewel case, you have to fiddle around with the internal stuff in the box etc.
Steely Dan had the right idea with Citizen, ie 4 separate CDs with their own jewel cases, but much as I love the music they weren't in album order which is important for us Dan boffins.
I think they're best when you feel like a big session with someone, you sit down and listen and read the booklet and look at the lyrics etc. Like, a TOTAL EXPERIENCE man.
Not that I ever have time for that but I do like the idea.
I'm a sucker for them
I've got quite a few of the Miles Davis ones - didn't pay full price for any of those, and I last saw the Miles Davis/Gil Evans one at £15 in HMV before Xmas.
I agree that they can be a footer to open up. I ripped them all to iTunes and set up a playlist for each one and a dynamic playlist for "All Box Set Tracks Not Yet Played".
One of my favourites was a Rhino Rock & Roll Collection - Loud, Fast & Out of Control".
I paid full price a couple of them when I was working in Newcastle on a stressful job and Spin Records had two great things to cheer me up, one at the start of the project and one at the end The Stooges - Complete Fun House Sessions and Beg, Scream & Shout - The Big Ol' box of 60s Soul
If you make the time to listen to them, they are a great investment - the Rhino ones are beautifully assembled. I'm not attracted by posters, badges, etc.
Three I'd recommend are..
Pink Floyd Is There Anybody Out There; The Wall Live at Earls Court 1980-81
John Martyn Ain't No Saint A real smorgasbord with material from all his Island LPs plus unreleased material and live recordings. Beautifully packaged; the inner book is done in the style of a pulp paperback. Lovingly compiled by John Hillarby it is a thing of real beauty and a steal at just over 20 quid for 4 CDs
Joy Division Heart and Soul The 2 studio albums with all the singles plus rare stuff such the Ideal for Living EP
The equivalent New Order set, Retro, is nowhere near as good, unfortunately.
The last 2 have been on my hi-fi almost constantly for the last few weeks.
Aint no Saint
is very good indeed. I also heartily recommend the Peter Green boxset Anthology which is also 4 cd's and last time I looked around £20 on Amazon. Some stunning stuff on there,
My first one
It was Sandy Denny's Who Knows Where The Time Goes, four vinyl LPs. It's the one I've listened to more than most that I've bought since, which includes Marvin Gaye, Bob Marley (neither of which I have any more). The David Bowie Sound & Vision set from about 1990 was pretty spectacular, and the complete Nick Drake is essential.
Box sets
I've got getting on for about 100 - everything from Stax to the Grateful Dead, from Miles Davis to Judas Priest
Oh and loads of psych stuff - Nuggets, Mindrocker, Rubble, Sitars etc etc
I love 'em . . . !
Normally there's a book with them which is interesting to read whilst you're playing the CDs
With the exception of "Hot Rods & custom classics" which has some fluffy dice in it (well hot rods y'know) none of mine have got any gimmicks in them.
I like label retrospectives as well as band retrospectives - it gives you most everything you'd want in one handy package and there's always the chance you'll come across something that's new to you.
Alice, Bruce and Pizza boxes
I bought the Alice Cooper Old School box, just shy of £150, couldn’t justfy it at the time, still can’t, but would do it again.
http://youtu.be/pFuPl-wv_AA
At the other end of the value table, I got a 5 disc box of David Thomas for £12, which is really rather good but the Simon and Garfunkel box of all their albums plus a DVD takes the prize by costing just £8.99.
Also have the first Alice box The Life and Crimes, various Springsteen one, the Born In The USA 12” single collection is in a box so can be counted, recall buying the Live 75 – 85 3 cd box on it’s release and it costing an absolute fortune. Although I was given the life size promotional Bruce that was in the shop to advertise the release.
Then there is The Johnny Cash American Recordings outtakes box, the Joy Division singles collection + - and some others I can’t think off.
But do theses count as box sets, released by the nice people who are ONEC records, a series of lathe cut records packaged in pizza boxes,
http://onec.greedbag.com/
Mine are:
Joy Division - Heart & Soul
New Order - Retro
Nuggets
The Jam - Direction, Reaction, Creation
Orange Juice - Coals to Newcastle
Cocteau Twins - From Lullabies to Violaine
Young Marble Giants - Colossal Youth / Collected Works
The Clash - On Broadway
Echo & the Bunnymen - Crystal Days
All of them are excellent, with the rather sad exception of Retro. I listen to tracks from all of them fairly regularly, but haven't sat and listened to any of them all the way through for ages.
off the top of my head I have
New Order - Retro
Joy Division - Heart & Soul
Grateful Dead - So Many Roads
The Clash - On Broadway and the boxed Singles
Johnny Cash - Unearthed
Noir Desir - En Route Pour La Joie
the Springsteen BTR & Darkness sets
the Rhino Goth box (in a black leather corset thing!)
New Model Army - Anthology
and probably the best one I own is a bootleg anyway - Neil Young's Rock n Roll Cowboy
Some
Yes - Yes Years - frankly not great - they are hardly prolific and the unreleased tracks are not in general up to much (in particular a dismal version of I'm Down).
Genesis - From One Fan(bootleg), Archives 1 (repeats much of From One Fan) is fine, Archives 2 isn't fine.
Jethro Tull - 25 Years - excellent.
VDGG - The Box - sold it!
Bruce - Live on vinyl - never play it
Bruce - Born To Run - felt I should buy it but unsure I've ever watched the DVD all the way through
MOJO's psych Saucers etc box - good selection, packaging disappointing