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Blu-Ray or not Blu-Ray?

Paul Waring's picture

So here's the thing.

Treated myself to a nice big new telly the other week, along with a matching blu-ray player. 50" Plasma, Panasonic Viera, full HD 1080p - the works.

My problem is this.

Thus far, I can see no reason to start buying (or renting) blu-ray discs in preference to DVDs. The player seems to upscale all my DVDs to a more than acceptable quality, and I just can't bring myself to justify the additional price premium that blu-ray still attracts.

My one concession to blu-ray was to buy the Planet Earth box set for a more than reasonable thirty quid. The quality is absolutely fantastic, and in this instance I can see the value.

But otherwise?

Have I just got cloth-eyes, or is the difference really not that great?

Are there any 'essential' blu-rays out there, by virtue of visuals, extras or whatever, or do I just save my pennies and stick to DVDs?

I throw the floor open to the Massive.

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And while we're at it...

If anyone has already made the leap and wants to recommend a player, I'm all ears.

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Fraser Lewry | 9 March 2010 - 5:14pm

Sony BDPS360

Details (and rave reviews) here. It's well-built, it's a no-brainer to set up and operate, at only a hundred and a bit quid it's amazingly inexpensive for the brand, and - the crunch for me - its upscaling of standard DVDs is just fantastic, making purchases of actual Blu-Ray discs largely unnecessary.

I'm proper chuffed with it.

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Archie Valparaiso | 9 March 2010 - 7:46pm

One other interesting new model

esp if you already have/like their kit is Cambridge Audio multi format player.

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=492&Title=Azur+650BD+Blu-r...

If I give up on idea of having a single or two box setup in flat I will be trying one of these out.

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SpaceBoy | 19 March 2010 - 8:19pm

No, the difference isn't that great.

And to be honest, I never used to watch DVDs and think, "If only the quality was better."

Plus Blu-Rays don't sound particularly good. I've got a decent stereo telly (it's 'full HD') and I've fiddled with all kinds of settings but still I get the same problem with most Blu Ray discs: the explosions and music are deafening but I have to hike up the volume to hear the dialogue.

I mean, I don't want to put anybody off, but it certainly wasn't the audio-visual revolution I was expecting.

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Albert Edward | 9 March 2010 - 5:26pm

Don't sound good!!!!

You need a decent home cinema. There's a lot more detail in the sound on Blu ray.

Not every Blu ray film is miles better than the DVD but ones that have been mastered correctly look stunning. Old films that were shot on large film stock look really great.

Films that look miles better on blu..

2001
Dark Knight
Zulu
District 9
Any Pixar film
Old country for old men
Disneys Snow White, Sleeping Beauty

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MrSib | 9 March 2010 - 6:10pm

I have thought about adding something to my TV sound...

even though I would do so rather begrudgingly, being unaware that it was necessary when I bought the player. But when I tried to find something online I realised I was entering a strange new world of tech speak and my head started to hurt.

To be honest, I thought a new TV and player would be enough. Obviously not!

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Albert Edward | 9 March 2010 - 6:33pm

using

one of these
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/42/84/222/BDP-LX71/index.html
connected into one of these
http://stuff.tv/Review/Arcam-AVR350/
and a good 5.1 speaker system (B&W and Monitor audio) I'd agree with Mr Sib-we've been delighted with the quality.

The Arcam is already obsolete in some senses but the Pioneer can decode the high def soundtrack formats on board and send analogue multi-channel to the amp. It's also a great hi-fi amp. Pity its successors are so pricey.

Not all Blu Rays are miles better but many are, and the FPO is working through the remastered Star Trek boxes right now with great joy. She's also contemplating a 50" plasma as well as the 42" screen seems too small !

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 6:36pm

I've just clicked on the second of your two links...

and this was exactly the kind of thing that frazzled my brain when I started looking for a home cinema set-up. Looking at that page there, for example, it took me a while to find out that the object is an AV Receiver, and anyway, what is an AV Receiver and why might I need one?

I'm not asking you, it's a rhetorical question. I just feel a bit short-changed that I spent X amount on a telly and Blu Ray player and now apparently I need an AV Receiver, and a.) I don't even know what an AV Receiver is, what it does or why I need one, b.) it's bloody expensive and c.) I don't have anywhere to put it, even if I knew what it is and could afford one.

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Albert Edward | 9 March 2010 - 6:57pm

I fear the dealer wasn't all they might be

but for what it's worth there *are* half way house products that decode the higher def audio formats such as what you get on Blu-Ray and then try to simulate what a 5.1 speaker array does but in a compact format, e.g.

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/link/1032259

I just don't know how good they sound, or the UK price
http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/12/03/yamaha-japan-announces-new-digital-...

If one day you are looking for kit like this a dealer like Sevenoaks tends to be a bit safer than John Lewis (who are fine for TVs imo).

Also there are much cheaper AV amps than the Arcam, we chose it as we wanted something that would be really good for music as well.

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 7:17pm

Another case in point!

What on earth is a 'sound projector'? Why do I need things decoded? What is HDMI?

I thought I was pretty up on technology but this sort of thing makes me feel like I've been off sick and missed a year of school.

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Albert Edward | 9 March 2010 - 7:30pm

Often

the answer is start at Richer Sounds. They seem to explain without the heavy sales push and if you explain you want to keep it simple, they will. If you like the sound of what they show you (pick one with an av demo room) then try a more expensive set up at a more upmarket type of place. If the improvement is worth it then good luck. If not go back to Richer Sounds.

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Leedsboy | 9 March 2010 - 8:03pm

Thank you both, Nick and Leedsboy

I'll give that a go.

I may be some time...

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Albert Edward | 9 March 2010 - 8:12pm

I am sure Leedsboy is offering

good advice here-I'd also say Sevenoaks is a good chain in our experience [herself's amp & spkrs].

A good one piece system I have heard wth rather small speakers is the Panasonic one like this but the -200 version

http://whathifi.com/Review/Panasonic-SC-BT205/

so it should be possible to find an amp and small speaker set for similar money using Leedsboy's approach.

Soundbars (i.e. sound projectors) vary alot in price, this is the smaller version of the one I mentioned so still pricey
http://whathifi.com/Review/Yamaha-YSP-4100/

I can't resist this review though
http://en.akihabaranews.com/26090/review/review-yamaha-ysp-5100-the-quic...

The listening room was “dived” in the live. The sound was coming from the right, left, center, as well as from behind us… Almost nothing to say…
Actually, one thing. We could hear a kind of blow during the silent part which could annoy the grumpy people…

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 8:50pm

Sevenoaks

would be an excellent other shop after Richer Sounds - product a little more high end and good service and advice in my experience.

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Leedsboy | 9 March 2010 - 10:22pm

I'm, like,

totally with you on this one, Alb. It's all just so confusing - the cynical side of me thinks it's just a ruse to keep people buying things they don't really need (which is capitalism in a glorious nutshell). The other side of me thinks that I am a bear of very little brain and am therefore not allowed in the techie boys' gang...

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Black Type | 9 March 2010 - 8:31pm

It's simple, really.

Just look out for top-end flopover on the transients when the bitrate comes over the crossplane. Offering the bounceplate up blind on the bi-wire cutback's a big help but I find taking the bias hard over on the 30Ω dial does the job just as well and keeps the crosstalk down without getting bleedover once you get over 85dB on the limiter. Mind you, the HDMI sockets can be buggers on the foldback when the 57GHz line gets crossed. It's up to you, really.

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Lenny Law | 9 March 2010 - 10:46pm

or to put it another way

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 10:54pm

Blimey..

When was that from? Probably 1987? £500 was a mighty few bob then..

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Lenny Law | 9 March 2010 - 11:35pm

indeed i think it was

I had a flatmate who was writing up her thesis on the Wordy processor at that time-Amstrad had unique funny shaped floppies iirc

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 11:48pm

and don't forget

keep you cd's and dvd's in the freezer.

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Leedsboy | 9 March 2010 - 10:58pm

Oh,

now I get it! Tsk! :-)

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Black Type | 10 March 2010 - 1:55pm

At the risk of missing some irony out there

AV Receiver (Audio Visual), an amp that can deal with multi-channel audio. 5.1 amps are relatively cheap now, 7.1 are pretty expensive (round our way at least).

HDMI - the cable format between the player and amp/TV, it's the way they've tried to prevent copying the output by having a special cable and communication both ways so the player won't (or shouldn't) play if it doesn't trust the device(s) at the other end. A source of major pain in my experience. Don't get screwed buying an expensive cable, there was a lot of press coverage when it first hit the market saying the cheap ones work just as well.

To your sound questions though, I have heard the difference of a BluRay played over simple stereo and 5.1, and the difference is significant, particularly in the ways you describe, the big noises take over and the other stuff which might have been on a channel of it's own gets swamped or left too low. DVDs will probably only have the stereo mix on them which is probably a better balance in the first place (EDIT-) if you're just going to play it through the TV's speakers. My TV's speakers are ok for TV/movies, but they struggle for music.

I'm using a 37" LCD, so the differences between a decent up-scaled DVD and BluRay are slight at best. There are going to be a lot of films (like Cloverfield) where the source is supposed to look like low-res handycam. For various reasons I saw both the DVD and BluRay more or less back to back, and there was no detectable difference to my eyes/ears. It's going to be very different on a 50" though.

Night At The Museum is supposed to be remarkably different and better in BluRay, but like a number of those mentioned above (Pixar et al), it's computer generated/animated, and they always look better on big screens anyway. I'd expect the BluRays of things like the latest Star Trek, or Avatar when that comes out to look very spiffy too.

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Harold Holt | 9 March 2010 - 11:50pm

I think I'm getting it now...

Thanks to this post and BillybobDylan's below.

My TV, despite being new and 'Full HD' is just not up to the job of playing my Blu Ray. I need to get an AV Receiver and some more speakers.

Does this plug into the TV, or just the Blu Ray, so will normal telly come through the speakers, or just when I play a Blu Ray disc?

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Albert Edward | 10 March 2010 - 10:01am

Indeed

AV receivers typically have many inputs of several types so one usually plugs in the TV and the Blu-Ray for both sound and vision into the back of the amp. Chris' comment about the sticky labels was a good one imo ...

Our Pioneer TV doesn't have speakers of its own-works fine this way.

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SpaceBoy | 10 March 2010 - 11:11am

With all due respect...

... movies, whether on DVD or Blu-Ray, weren't designed to be played on 4" paper cone TV speakers. Listen to a disc you know on a decent system and you'll be amazed it's even the same title. The potential for audio performance, via digital audio cable or an HDMI cable, is very high. If you plan to buy an A/V receiver look for the new Dolby True HD or DTS equivalent (I forget what it's called). These new formats can only be sent to the receiver digitally via an HDMI cable as the "bandwidth" is too wide for a regular digital audio cable. Audio performance is very good.

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Billybob Dylan | 9 March 2010 - 11:36pm

Worth the money

For the right release i think blu-ray is significantly better than standard dvd. I guess its all in the eye of the beholder but the picture quality is, on a good transfer, far richer and more vibrant. As for the sound, as long as your system is properly wired up and then the channels are balanced is also better than dvd.
particular discs to recommend are Up, Hellboy 2, Gladiator but suprisingly also the BBCs recent Bleak House - you can get the whole series for a tenner and the quality is outstanding.

The pain is the really irritating load times and the disc cost - but they are getting cheaper

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tim tunes | 9 March 2010 - 6:10pm

On the subject of kit.

The Sony-BDP-S760 is pretty good,full wireless connectivity for firmware upgrades ect. and it cuts loading times down,great picture on Blu-Ray and D.V.D but where it really shines is sonically.

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Pencilsqueezer | 9 March 2010 - 6:19pm

Blu-ray player with added DVD up-scaling...

I picked up the Sony BDP S350 Blu-ray player from Richer Sounds for just over £150 last year, and it's fab; I was very pleased with my purchase. I bought it specifically for the up-scaling capability (and it was in a sale, and was also chipped for multi-region DVD discs). It's a machine I would genuinely recommend to anyone looking to enter the realms of Blu-ray.

I held off on upgrading to Blu-ray for a while, as I resented having to go back to spending £20 on discs having seem DVDs drop to around £12. I felt like the Blu-ray thing was a swizz. However, if you can afford to go for something like this Sony Blu-ray player, with up-scaling on the normal DVDs, that will give you the best of both worlds.

The up-scaling means you get crisper general DVD picture, and to be honest, as a result I'm not as obsessive about seeing things exclusively on Blu-ray. That said, I generally go for Blu-rays if it's something I especially interested in seeing. Let The Right One In on Blu-ray was amazing, and when I get out of unemployment I shall be buying that disc on Blu-ray. Equally, I've watched several films that I thought were average, but which held my attention avidly simply because the Blu-ray picture was so sharp. Cases in point: State of Play (with Russell Crow) and The International (Clive Owen).

I'm a member of Lovefilms, so rent most of my movies, so I pick and choose amongst the formats. If I get the ones I want on Blu-ray it just adds a bit more joy to the viewing. If not, no big deal.

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the_saint | 9 March 2010 - 6:23pm

Where does one stop with all this?

In five years time another format will come along which promises yet clearer pictures... and another will follow that and so on to infinity...

Personally I see no reason not to stick with DVD... they're good enough for me. I still rejoice in not having to rewind tape and being able to play the 'freeze Jo Grant knickers shots' game whilst watching Doctor Who...

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Patrick Crowther | 9 March 2010 - 7:23pm

Interim format ?

I tend to agree with Patrick and succumbed to Blu Ray as I still feel its an interim solution - and this is from someone who had Laserdiscs and full Dobly surround before Home Cinema was popular.

My feeling is that downloaded HD video streamed around the house from a hard drive server is the answer. Its there to a certain degree now - I have an Apple TV setup and iTunes has some HD content (albeit at only 720P) available. if they could get rid of this DRM crap, bump up the resolution to 1080P and improve the audio on the Apple TV (its only standard Dobly 5.1) then that would be perfect. Its all still in its infancy but bandwidths are increasing, so its only a matter of time before video goes the same way as music.....

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chrisf | 9 March 2010 - 7:43pm

Bandwith and RF interference growing at same time ...

but I am sure you are right in long term-and there's always power line or Ethernet if wi-fi isn't enough.

However, "they" don't want to get rid of DRM, and one will continue to face madness like the fact that this

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/Blu-ray+Recorders+%26+Pla...

can record in HD for example, but ITV won't usually let you copy the recording to the Blu ray drive.

At the moment I am playing with a 1080 device, the WD TV,

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=30

on our big telly that is great for the formats it supports, and no use for others. V cheap and cheerful though, and playing this
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/index.html [second one down]
, for example, was great fun

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 9:04pm

I'm not a big fan of owning films fullstop..

I only have a few dvds and half of them were given away free with the paper. How do these new tellys look with HD tv broadcasts? I was round a friends recently and was less than impressed watching sport on his wide screen but this I think was his virgin box which blurred some of the action and had quite a bad pixel problem (I think he has a panasonic).
Do people use downloaded films as this seems like a good idea saving filling yourselves with more boxes and not tying yourself to bluray etc?

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Chris G | 9 March 2010 - 8:52pm

You can see the beads of sweat forming on Rooney's pate, mate

I have a digital satellite service (roughly equivalent to Sky+) and football matches in HD - not to mention the recent Vancouver snowfest - look just great.

Oddly, though, it seems that there's HD and there's HD. HD football-match signals, in order of wow-est to meh-est, go something like this in my experience: (1) Calcio, (2) La Liga, (3) Bundesliga, (4) EPL.

Why this should be, I have no idea. I thought "Full HD" was a standard, not a variable.

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Archie Valparaiso | 10 March 2010 - 8:03am

I think Full HD ulimately applies applies to what the telly does

the whole equipment chain used by the broadcaster is variable and there have been some complaints about changes even with Auntie Beeb ;-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8415636.stm

I am no expert but that would make sense to me.

We haven't yet got off air HD at either place but I have seen Sky+ HD at a relatives and thought e.g. the recent Indian music festival shown on Sky Arts looked stunning ... and indeed our brave high speed downhill teatray expert--still beats me how anybody can do that.

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SpaceBoy | 10 March 2010 - 8:15am

I'm buying nothing till...

I get a signed piece of paper telling me this is the last thing they'll ever invent.

it'll be 3D green-ray next, Pah!

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James Blast | 9 March 2010 - 9:18pm

indeed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8558152.stm

http://www.sonyinsider.com/2010/02/18/ever-heard-of-sonys-3d-av-receiver...

The sad thing imo is that Blu Ray is really good, and yet the constant fiddling, little niggles, pricing, DRM etc etc may well send it the way of SACD (in mass market terms) sooner rather than later.

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 9:25pm

Oh Lordy!

ma heid is swimming now!

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James Blast | 9 March 2010 - 9:30pm

Interesting claim from Samsung

I'll be curious to see what this emulation actually looks like:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361106,00.asp?KC=PCMA030910a

However, Samsung claims that its 3D LCDs can simulate 3D, and swap between 2D and 3D at the touch of a button. "Even if 3D content is unavailable, the TVs can render 2D content – like broadcast TV, gaming content, and legacy DVDs – into 3D in real time," according to Samsung. Samsung will also provide a free 3D Starter Kit with the purchase of a Samsung 3D HDTV and either the Samsung BD-C6900 3D Blu-ray Player or the HT-C6930W 3D Home Theater System, the company said. Included in the kit is a 3D version of "Monsters vs. Aliens" and two pairs of Samsung 3D Active Glasses.

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SpaceBoy | 10 March 2010 - 11:30am

Right now the most useful device

in audio imho is the rather nice cable sock

http://www.divineaudio.co.uk/cable-accessories/loewe-cable-tidy-sock-sil...

that Loewe produce-we are talking nicely to our local dealer and expect to make use of quite a bit-I am resigned to at least a 3 box system (hard disk recorder, multiregion dvd player, and all in one hifi) + laptop and iPod dock in my flat for quite a while yet.

Will post a picture when I'm feeling brave ...

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 9:44pm

also a little packet of

stickers from rymans to label the plugs is handy too 50p!

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Chris G | 9 March 2010 - 10:10pm

I should stress we aren't planning to pay 5 quid a metre

for the sock ...

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SpaceBoy | 9 March 2010 - 10:14pm

Best thing I've bought recently..

..was some new speaker cable. Surprisingly cheap oxygen-free biwire stuff, taking over from my old enormous copper ribbons. Amazing difference in sound. I was wondering if my old Eltaxes were getting a bit tired but it would seem not.

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Lenny Law | 9 March 2010 - 10:52pm

speaker-cable ahoy!

Ditto - I finally caved and bought some decent speaker cables when I got my Blu-ray player, and I was shocked at how much difference it made. All these bloomin' years using old shoelaces and listening to mumbling. Forget buying a new stereo system, just get some decent cable! By the way, I put my TV through my old JVC amp (bought from Richers Sounds 20 years ago, and still rocking!), and thanks to decent leads it sounds absolutely great.

That said, some of the balancing on DVDs and Blu-rays these days is appalling. Watched Triangle on DVD last night, and the dialogue balance was all over the place, meaning I had to ride the volume throughout. Equally, the dialogue on Public Enemies and Heat (both by the otherwise genius Michael Mann) are a nightmare: turn the sound up to hear the dialogue, and the next impact/explosion/gunshot blows the pictures off the wall.

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the_saint | 10 March 2010 - 11:35am

I watched Hurt Locker last night on Blu-Ray.

The film itself is okay but episodic (in a bad way), poorly paced, overall a bit pointless and aimless, and the ending was dragged out way too far. Also how come the bomb disposal people are such good snipers? This year must have been a weak year for films if that won best director and best picture Oscars. Also it is dwarfed by the superior Generation Kill TV show. Truly film is the poor cousin to TV nowadays.

If I had watched it on DVD my viewing experience would have been exactly the same. Blu-Ray added nothing of the experience. And it didn't help us see more during the night time scenes with all those chunks of pure black.

YOU STOP COUNTING PIXELS AFTER FIVE MINUTES. It becomes irrelevant as you start paying attention to the acting, story, camera angles etc and the fuzzy picture or colour bleed etc become invisible. Anyone still scanning the picture for soft edges an hour into a film is NOT watching the film.

Stick with buying DVDs if they are cheaper.

I'm using the stereo speakers from my TV and I have no problem with the lossless Blu-Ray soundtracks. Some movies have extreme dynamics with the dialogue mixed much lower than the explosions etc, which can be irritating. All you can do is keep changing the volume between the action and talking scenes. It's not a major hardship and technically it's a good thing that the soundtrack hasn't been compressed like modern CDs.

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LOUDspeaker | 10 March 2010 - 11:03am

Thanks all for your comments so far.

I have to say the 'sound' issue has not bothered me so far - surely the answer is to select the appropriate sound option from the DVD/Blu-Ray setup menu - ie 5.1 if you are appropriately kitted out, stereo if not?

Or is that too simplistic an approach?

In any event I would be loath to shell out the best part of another grand on the audio, even if the FPO was happy to have speakers and wires all over the place (which she isn't).

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Paul Waring | 10 March 2010 - 11:14am

Latter point is

why I suggested the sound bar-it fits under telly.

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SpaceBoy | 10 March 2010 - 11:28am

Aye - but it's eleven hundred quid

Divide that by ten and we're talking.

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Paul Waring | 10 March 2010 - 11:35am

Paul

the gadget show (ch5) did a review of home cinema sound stuff this week or last, not super technical but a bit more real world than all the hi fi mags with their graphs etc

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Chris G | 10 March 2010 - 12:00pm

I did, though, like

What Hi-Fi's description (of a Pioneer, or one of the Denons, iirc) as the Creme Blu-Ray ...

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SpaceBoy | 10 March 2010 - 1:44pm

I doubt this will give you want you want in terms of

liberating the sound but it's nearest I can think of

http://www.richersounds.com/product/speaker-packages/q-acoustics/q-tv2/q...

[EDIT: unfortunately on looking I see that it's designed for TVs of up to *only* 42" ...]

Imo it's not that the hifi is expensive it's that the tellies are cheap ;-)

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SpaceBoy | 10 March 2010 - 12:20pm

Thanks Nick and Chris

I do appreciate your comments - it's the budget that's the problem!

Looking under 'Soundbars', it looks like there's also a 50" version (the Q-tv2x) for another fifty quid - and a Yamaha soundbar that looks quite interesting as well.

Hmmm....

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Paul Waring | 10 March 2010 - 12:41pm

I'd see if you can get a dem with a Blu-ray player at Richer

of the Q-tv2x, just to see what it can do-iirc the Yamaha they have is not going to all that the fancier ones do but would also be worth a look, ideally a comparison if they can do that.

I like the Q-tv2x idea.

[edit: just make sure hear one-I have no idea how big a change it will be]

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SpaceBoy | 10 March 2010 - 9:01pm

Apparently the best format

for the Neil Young archives vol.1

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clarker | 10 March 2010 - 12:53pm

I bought one

I bought a Sony Blu-Ray from Richer sounds just after Christmas for about £100, and I've got to say it's one of my better purchases. Discs can be picked up quite reasonably on Amazon (about £10 for an older disc £15 for a new release, and amazingly £17.99 for the Band of Brothers box set). Some classic films, North by Northwest, Casablanca and early Bond films look absolutely fantastic on Blu. A good site for Blu Ray reviews is http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews.html
Generally they tell you whether a disc is worth upgrading from DVD to Blu ray, which has saved me a few quid.

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Andy Mackenzie | 10 March 2010 - 2:23pm

Didn't have much time last night

to go into details and everything seems to have been covered by the Massive.I concur wholeheartedly about Richer Sounds,always found them helpful.Audio-Visual is in essence no different to Hi-Fi,You get what you pay for pretty much.What you have to ask yourself is this.If you've forked out for a good Hi-Def T.V. do you want to get the best out of your investment?If yes,bite the bullet and go the whole hog,good sound is essential.You should be able to install an A.V.Amp and speaker package with speaker cables and Two HDMI's for under £2000.Good sound reproduction is if anything more of a revelation than an improvement to the picture.Take some time to set the picture and sound calibration correctly.Pixar discs have a screen calibration suite included in the extras,USE THEM!Most decent A.V Amps come bundled with a microphone which you connect to the Amp to calibrate the sound,a piece of cake to do,honest.As for the debate over D.V.D or Blu-Ray,I buy new releases on Blu-Ray and I've replaced some D.V.D's with new copies on the new medium if it improves my enjoyment of the film,easily the most startling improvement has been John Carpenter's The Thing,until seeing it on Blu-Ray I had no idea it was such a visually vibrant movie.Hope this helps and happy viewing.

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Pencilsqueezer | 10 March 2010 - 2:32pm

Blu Ray - Hmmmm

When its good its unbelievably good but...... You never know which will be that good. The Hellboy double set the standard, they are absolutely awsome, both picture and sound. The sound on a decent home cinema set up will also be in another world. Check a disc with DTS and DTS HD as I did with the Orphanage, truly fantasic improvemnt. Unfortunately not all films are up to this standard and you will feel short changed.
Generally all the players are slow to load compared to a dvd player, can be quite irksome if you are impatient.

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N2Peach | 11 March 2010 - 4:26pm

Blu-Ray or Not

It all depends on what you want to watch, just like with what music you listen to. If all you ever listen to is Engelbert Humperdink and his ilk then don't spend more than £29.99 on a 'hi-fi'. The industry will always try to get you to spend more than you initially wanted to, and they can only stay in business if they keep 'inventing' new products and persuade us we want them.
Blu-Ray and/or HD is good for fast action like sport; there's no delay in the pixels. It's also better where the detail is important like natural history. But for run of the mill stuff, don't bother. As for the sound, you're always at the mercy of the engineers who mixed it, and if it's a Marlon Brando film you should just give up on the dialogue anyway.
It will always be the case that the best place to watch films is at the cinema and the best place to hear music is at a live gig.

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xorg | 13 March 2010 - 3:14pm

I realise

that in haste I was confusing some of Albert Edward's postings with Paul Waring's-sorry.

In summary I think I wanted to say that from personal experience Blu Ray can look & sound v good indeed-hence my wish to encourage AE to hear a better sound system; and to say that it is possible that the cheaper sound projectors/clip-on speakers that fall within PW's budget *might* be worth it compared to his TV speakers, but that he has to hear them to be sure. If it's possible to just play it through an existing stereo as others have suggested that's almost certainly worth an experiment-it's what I do in my flat.

At the FPO's place over 10ish years we have used, consecutively, her Nakamichi DVD player into Onkyo Liverpool midi stereo, then my Pioneer DVD/SACD player into an Arcam AVR 350 AV receiver, and now her Pioneer Blu-Ray player into that amp (newer hi def sound formats are decoded in the player and send as multichannel analogue to the amp). Each stage has been a very noticeable step up in sound. However we share the general dissatisfaction with lack of upgradeability etc-this was once something that Arcam would do for you with many of their amps for example.

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SpaceBoy | 19 March 2010 - 8:11pm

Blu-ray vs DVDs

I don't know about the rest of you but the menus of my old DVDs don't seem to work as well on my Blu-ray player.

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boywoolner | 21 March 2010 - 9:26am

apparently

yes we do get this problem

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SpaceBoy | 21 March 2010 - 8:23pm

I'm a complete Blu Ray convert...

... I've been very impressed with Blu Ray in general ever since I bought my PS3 about eighteen months ago. Where it really becomes worthwhile, for me, is in some of the excellent releases of archive titles, that you really wouldn't expect to look brilliant in their full-on restored, HD glory - but they do.

'Casablanca', 'How the West Was Won', the early Connery Bond films, 'The Pink Panther'... all vintage titles I've bought which look utterly brilliant on Blu Ray. Obviously newer stuff looks great too, but you'd expect that, wouldn't you?

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Andrew F | 21 March 2010 - 1:02pm
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